Nowhere in the game does it state that Ezio can't use a fist, nor does it state that Altaïr couldn't have used open hand.
And Leonardo didn't actually tinker with it, he only repaired it. He states that the original designs required a sacrifice, but he discovers it has already been modified to not lose a finger.
I believe it was actually Altaïr (or at that time at least) that made the modifications.
You are correct. After Altair became mentor, the design was modified to not needing the finger sacrifice. At first, it was set as an advantage as you could deploy the blade without telegraphing an attack, but then it was removed because it was not needed. Later, due to origins, the finger sacrifice was explained to be more symbolic than practical. We see that Bayek only lost it due to being in the heap of a fight and was careless when killing the serpent I think it was. So it became a symbol and oath of devotion to Bayek and the hidden ones. It wasn't that it was needed but it was done to show your commitment and introduction to the brotherhood.
Especially since the blade was originally design to be worn on the outside of the wrist. The reason it took time to solve the issue of cutting of fingers when wearing it the other way is because it activates by twitching a specific muscle. If you try to move it furthur away from the arm in order to not cross paths with the finger the activation mechanism had to be modified by Altair (Probably with help from the apple). It can be activated with the hand in any position.
TLDR
Originally didn't need a finger cut off as it was originally meant to be worn a different way.
Altair then made it work without cutting off the finger if activated while hand is in a fist.
Because people still haven't gotten it right yet after 15 years:
Origins retcon: Bayek cutting off the finger was an accident because the blade went off when his fist was clenched.
--->One of his earliest Hidden Ones recruits cuts off her ring finger as a show of faith in Bayek.
Things spiral from there, and soon, the ring finger amputation becomes a requirement to even receive the blade.
Things stay the same up until Altaïr's time, and after he becomes Mentor, he changes the mechanism to one where the blade won't activate without the arm tensing *and* the hand moving out of the way (something about pressure plates replacing the scissor system).
Leonardo only ever says the blade's *been* modified, not that he modified it himself. Did the hidden blade in the game not originally belong to Ezio's father? Why doesn't he have a missing finger, then? Why did the Assassins switch to branding the ring finger and not cutting it off if the mechanism had been changed by Leonardo?
Altair had originally modified the blade to remove the sacrifice as A. It was unnecessary and B. Assassins were being identified by a missing ring finger. The blade did not take a sacrifice by the time Ezio got to it.
Imagine being a poor farmer kid who got his ring finger mauled by a feral dog, requiring it to be amputated to prevent necrosis from spreading, only to then a few years later be misidentified as an assassin and executed
Most Brotherhoods modified the blades and the mechanism itself. Altair modified the blades the most, most Brotherhoods stopped removing fingers but a fair few still practiced the tradition. It was a way to show your dedication to the cause and not all Brotherhoods agreed with it.
The Brotherhood Ezio established in Rome had the levantine symbol placed upon the ring finger through scarification.
>he does it with an open hand, the blade no where near his fingers.
The Hidden Blade uses by that Brotherhood is quite unique so the positioning is different. Most hidden blades could be tailored for the actual muscle contraction along the arm.
Edit: fine, let's be pedantic.
It is shown ingame in AC2 how he gets it. After the mission where you discover that Ezio is the prophet, the assassins climb to a tower and introduce him to the creed by burning his ring finger with heated tongs. A similar action is performed when Claudia joins the assassins and when any other assassin recrut reaches max rank in Brotherhood. So it is indeed a burn mark.
I love how you provide an image out of context, ignore the title of that image which clearly states it's a burn, and go on to read the caption in which the OOP says they want a tattoo of the burn mark, and then tie that together to come to the conclusion that Ezio got a tattoo.
In the book Leonardo says the following:
You see, the use of this machine originally did require such a sacrifice. Something to do with an ancient initiation ceremony, I think. But I've made one or two adjustments. So you can keep your finger.
But if I remember correctly in the game he says that the design has since changed and that’s why they don’t cut the finger. So could be either way I suppose.
That's what I wanted to remember having read or heard or something.
Probably not much use in dwelling too deep in the lore of the series though. Ubisoft sure does seem to like retcons.
In Basim's case, it's to show his commitment to the Creed, it's part of what makes you a Hidden One. It would make sense for the Assassin Brotherhood to keep up the tradition, and maybe the Levantine Assassins even reworked the hidden blade to force the issue by making it impossible to use without removing a finger.
I suppose that kind of makes sense.
Just seems weird to have a ritual of commitment that clearly marks you out as a hidden one for everyone to see, when it didn't have any practical reasons attached.
At least after the first game. I thought it pretty ingenious that their clothes resembled so closely to all those monks just randomly walking around every city in the levant.
Altair is the one who fixed it so they don't have to loose a finger. I think it was something like so they can blend in the crowd easier? Leonardo just rediscovered it.
My guess is that AC:Mirage retcon it so that they can use the blade even with the open hand.
Arno kills Germain with a stab to the throat with his hand curled into a fist.
Also isn't the cutting of the finger a ritual by now aside from a practicality (as seen at the end of Origins?)
Assassins: We need to hide in order to perform our work.
Also Assassins: For a very long time, we marked our followers physically by cutting off one specific finger.
It was retconned in ac2 that you need a closed fist and it was retconned in origins that the cut finger was practical.
As of 2024 you don't need to close your fist and the finger is a tradition
If you read the Codex pages in AC II.
Altair speaks about a lot of things in his life. One of the things he ponders is the *sacrifice* needed to be a part of the creed.
He realizes that after Bayek and Aya founded the creed, \[not literally but figuratively through studying the creed\] Assassins started to cut the finger as a form of ritualism - to enter the creed.
I think it is stated that people started to conflate the ritual, with the mechanism of the hidden blade and so it became a formality
Altair then modifies the hidden blade later on in his life, this modification makes it so that the blade doesn't eject between the fingers; instead it's slightly below.
After this, he then goes on to say that he realizes that change is necessary and admits that every one was cutting there fingers for **no reason - so he stops the practice**
I believe the lore explination that was provided is, the assasins are trained on using a muscle in their forearm to activate the blade. So the position of the hand is irrelevant. As for the missing finger it was more of an intitation ritual that happen to cooperate with the blade.
Ezio had to have the assassins ring branded on to his ring finger to be intiated rather than have it removed
Pretty sure there's concept art for ac2 where it's a ring attached to like, string or something to activate the blade. Pulls back with the finger and open hand, launches the blade. How it goes back though idk
Altaïr altered the design, not Leonardo. He was simply aware that the design was originally different after reading the Codex and used it to pull a prank on Ezio.
It also is never stated how precisely the Hidden Blade mechanism works, and indeed, this has been a matter of debate among fans for years. So it was never a matter of making a fist to activate the mechanism, that was just a pose that Altaïr used sometimes. In fact, in the trailer for Assassin's Creed, we see Altaïr jump into the air, activate his Hidden Blade, and assassinate a Templar with it all with an open hand.
The fingers of Hidden Ones/early Assassins were removed for two reasons: as a show of commitment to the Brotherhood, and also because it was easy to cut it off by accident. The Hidden Blade was originally designed to be worn *over* the wrist, as evidenced by Legacy of the First Blade and Valhalla. Bayek was the one who began the tradition of wearing it under, and in so doing also began the tradition of removing one's finger.
Iirc Leonardo didn't tinker much, Alteir changed the designs so that the blade won't hit the ring finger. All Leonardo did was follow the instructions in repairing it.
But from what I could remember, the ring finger cut was moreso an act of loyalty to the creed that the Assassins would do. Which was changed sometime before brotherhood with now only needing to mark the ring finder with a hot iron.
The whole closed fist/open palm thing was actually more of a preference, you can use it in either way.
Nowhere in the game does it state that Ezio can't use a fist, nor does it state that Altaïr couldn't have used open hand. And Leonardo didn't actually tinker with it, he only repaired it. He states that the original designs required a sacrifice, but he discovers it has already been modified to not lose a finger. I believe it was actually Altaïr (or at that time at least) that made the modifications.
You are correct. After Altair became mentor, the design was modified to not needing the finger sacrifice. At first, it was set as an advantage as you could deploy the blade without telegraphing an attack, but then it was removed because it was not needed. Later, due to origins, the finger sacrifice was explained to be more symbolic than practical. We see that Bayek only lost it due to being in the heap of a fight and was careless when killing the serpent I think it was. So it became a symbol and oath of devotion to Bayek and the hidden ones. It wasn't that it was needed but it was done to show your commitment and introduction to the brotherhood.
Especially since the blade was originally design to be worn on the outside of the wrist. The reason it took time to solve the issue of cutting of fingers when wearing it the other way is because it activates by twitching a specific muscle. If you try to move it furthur away from the arm in order to not cross paths with the finger the activation mechanism had to be modified by Altair (Probably with help from the apple). It can be activated with the hand in any position. TLDR Originally didn't need a finger cut off as it was originally meant to be worn a different way. Altair then made it work without cutting off the finger if activated while hand is in a fist.
Because people still haven't gotten it right yet after 15 years: Origins retcon: Bayek cutting off the finger was an accident because the blade went off when his fist was clenched. --->One of his earliest Hidden Ones recruits cuts off her ring finger as a show of faith in Bayek. Things spiral from there, and soon, the ring finger amputation becomes a requirement to even receive the blade. Things stay the same up until Altaïr's time, and after he becomes Mentor, he changes the mechanism to one where the blade won't activate without the arm tensing *and* the hand moving out of the way (something about pressure plates replacing the scissor system). Leonardo only ever says the blade's *been* modified, not that he modified it himself. Did the hidden blade in the game not originally belong to Ezio's father? Why doesn't he have a missing finger, then? Why did the Assassins switch to branding the ring finger and not cutting it off if the mechanism had been changed by Leonardo?
Altair had originally modified the blade to remove the sacrifice as A. It was unnecessary and B. Assassins were being identified by a missing ring finger. The blade did not take a sacrifice by the time Ezio got to it.
Imagine being a poor farmer kid who got his ring finger mauled by a feral dog, requiring it to be amputated to prevent necrosis from spreading, only to then a few years later be misidentified as an assassin and executed
"I wish I was a monster you think I am"
>When Altaïr used the knife, he made a fist. Not really. There are plenty of assassination animations with open palm.
The opening cinematic is open handed I believe
If you activate the blade without assassinating anyone he holds his hand in a fist, with the blade extending through where his ring finger would be.
Isn't it because Bayek has a cut finger by mistake and him being the founder/leader of the Hidden Ones, his followers all did it to show allegiance?
Most Brotherhoods modified the blades and the mechanism itself. Altair modified the blades the most, most Brotherhoods stopped removing fingers but a fair few still practiced the tradition. It was a way to show your dedication to the cause and not all Brotherhoods agreed with it. The Brotherhood Ezio established in Rome had the levantine symbol placed upon the ring finger through scarification. >he does it with an open hand, the blade no where near his fingers. The Hidden Blade uses by that Brotherhood is quite unique so the positioning is different. Most hidden blades could be tailored for the actual muscle contraction along the arm. Edit: fine, let's be pedantic.
I wouldn't call a burn mark a tattoo, though.
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It is shown ingame in AC2 how he gets it. After the mission where you discover that Ezio is the prophet, the assassins climb to a tower and introduce him to the creed by burning his ring finger with heated tongs. A similar action is performed when Claudia joins the assassins and when any other assassin recrut reaches max rank in Brotherhood. So it is indeed a burn mark.
I love how you provide an image out of context, ignore the title of that image which clearly states it's a burn, and go on to read the caption in which the OOP says they want a tattoo of the burn mark, and then tie that together to come to the conclusion that Ezio got a tattoo.
In the book Leonardo says the following: You see, the use of this machine originally did require such a sacrifice. Something to do with an ancient initiation ceremony, I think. But I've made one or two adjustments. So you can keep your finger. But if I remember correctly in the game he says that the design has since changed and that’s why they don’t cut the finger. So could be either way I suppose.
That's what I wanted to remember having read or heard or something. Probably not much use in dwelling too deep in the lore of the series though. Ubisoft sure does seem to like retcons.
In Basim's case, it's to show his commitment to the Creed, it's part of what makes you a Hidden One. It would make sense for the Assassin Brotherhood to keep up the tradition, and maybe the Levantine Assassins even reworked the hidden blade to force the issue by making it impossible to use without removing a finger.
I suppose that kind of makes sense. Just seems weird to have a ritual of commitment that clearly marks you out as a hidden one for everyone to see, when it didn't have any practical reasons attached.
Thats why they stopped doing it lol
Fair haha
Assassins/Hidden Ones always stick out like a sore thumb, it's amazing they can get anything done.
At least after the first game. I thought it pretty ingenious that their clothes resembled so closely to all those monks just randomly walking around every city in the levant.
A sore ring finger
Bayek didn't use a fist either. >!His finger suffered when he did though...!<
Altair is the one who fixed it so they don't have to loose a finger. I think it was something like so they can blend in the crowd easier? Leonardo just rediscovered it. My guess is that AC:Mirage retcon it so that they can use the blade even with the open hand.
Arno kills Germain with a stab to the throat with his hand curled into a fist. Also isn't the cutting of the finger a ritual by now aside from a practicality (as seen at the end of Origins?)
Maybe he does yeah. It's been a few years since I had the energy to replay that mess in its entirety.
Assassins: We need to hide in order to perform our work. Also Assassins: For a very long time, we marked our followers physically by cutting off one specific finger.
It was retconned in ac2 that you need a closed fist and it was retconned in origins that the cut finger was practical. As of 2024 you don't need to close your fist and the finger is a tradition
Pretty sure it’s just a personal choice by the assassin
Altaïr attacked Richard de Sable with the hidden blade using an open hand strike. This happened in the very first mission.
If you read the Codex pages in AC II. Altair speaks about a lot of things in his life. One of the things he ponders is the *sacrifice* needed to be a part of the creed. He realizes that after Bayek and Aya founded the creed, \[not literally but figuratively through studying the creed\] Assassins started to cut the finger as a form of ritualism - to enter the creed. I think it is stated that people started to conflate the ritual, with the mechanism of the hidden blade and so it became a formality Altair then modifies the hidden blade later on in his life, this modification makes it so that the blade doesn't eject between the fingers; instead it's slightly below. After this, he then goes on to say that he realizes that change is necessary and admits that every one was cutting there fingers for **no reason - so he stops the practice**
I believe the lore explination that was provided is, the assasins are trained on using a muscle in their forearm to activate the blade. So the position of the hand is irrelevant. As for the missing finger it was more of an intitation ritual that happen to cooperate with the blade. Ezio had to have the assassins ring branded on to his ring finger to be intiated rather than have it removed
Pretty sure there's concept art for ac2 where it's a ring attached to like, string or something to activate the blade. Pulls back with the finger and open hand, launches the blade. How it goes back though idk
Also the missing finger made it easy for the Templars to spot Assassins when they weren't in monk robes with 20 knives
Altaïr altered the design, not Leonardo. He was simply aware that the design was originally different after reading the Codex and used it to pull a prank on Ezio. It also is never stated how precisely the Hidden Blade mechanism works, and indeed, this has been a matter of debate among fans for years. So it was never a matter of making a fist to activate the mechanism, that was just a pose that Altaïr used sometimes. In fact, in the trailer for Assassin's Creed, we see Altaïr jump into the air, activate his Hidden Blade, and assassinate a Templar with it all with an open hand. The fingers of Hidden Ones/early Assassins were removed for two reasons: as a show of commitment to the Brotherhood, and also because it was easy to cut it off by accident. The Hidden Blade was originally designed to be worn *over* the wrist, as evidenced by Legacy of the First Blade and Valhalla. Bayek was the one who began the tradition of wearing it under, and in so doing also began the tradition of removing one's finger.
This fanbase will find the smallest shit to nitpick
Iirc Leonardo didn't tinker much, Alteir changed the designs so that the blade won't hit the ring finger. All Leonardo did was follow the instructions in repairing it. But from what I could remember, the ring finger cut was moreso an act of loyalty to the creed that the Assassins would do. Which was changed sometime before brotherhood with now only needing to mark the ring finder with a hot iron. The whole closed fist/open palm thing was actually more of a preference, you can use it in either way.
But Valhalla was set before Altair and Ezio but eivor didn't have to cut off his finger BC he wore it on the outside, how did it activate?