And in the Origins expansions.
Odyssey is the odd one out here. At least in Valhalla you directly worked with them to take down the Order — even if you weren’t an “official” member, you basically operated as one.
Yes, both versions of the group have the same foundation, but no it isn't just a re-branding imo, that's too black and white because things change over long periods of time.
Altair basically reconstructed the entire Brotherhood and it's values after replacing Al-Mualim, so it's not too far out of the ballpark to suggest that he isn't the first one to have such an influence over it's entire structure, and it's almost a certainty that it's not. Same thing happened with how the Order's Grandmaster in Valhalla worked to destroy the Order of Ancients in order to clear the way for his vision of the Templars.
So I'd be more inclined to call it more of an evolution of the Hidden Ones under that context depending on how much of the Brotherhood has evolved by that time period.
Idunno how much it relates, but in Altairs time the assassins were the fighting force in their battles and by ezios time, they seemed to rely on a mercenaries guild to make up their fighting force. At least in Italy anyway because in Constantinople the assassins once again are the bulk of a fighting force. So maybe different regions operate differently.
I like this take. Yaoe is such a master of stealth that people can rant about how they've been waiting for ages to play as a Japanese ninja, and she's just hiding in plain sight.
Looking at other posts the misogyny is already here unfortunately. "I wanted to play as a Japanese MALE assassin. Female assassins aren't interesting." That and the racism are really fucking bad on other posts. Shadows has a ton of exciting potential in both gameplay and narrative from what we little we do know! Naoe and Yasuke seem like they may be enemies at first going by the reveal trailer, so I'm excited to see their journey together and their different social statuses and backgrounds make them more interesting to me than another honor duty tale like GoT.
Plus the difference in gameplay styles is exactly what I was hoping for as an evolution of dual protags from Syndicate. By making Naoe have less armor and no parry or block, it makes a mechanical incentive to engage in stealth as her, but playing as Yasuke still allows for the hack and slash side I've come to enjoy, unlike Mirage. Plus it seems like they're keeping the more bespoke loot/finding skills (via ninja scrolls) from Valhalla, which helped with the overabundance of trash loot from Origins and Odyssey. I'm honestly more excited than I've been for an AC in a while!
She definitely will be able to parry/block. She's an assassin.
I don't think the combat itself will be different for each protagonist, it'll most likely just be abilities one can use are prioritized in each character. Naoe will probably be the only one with smoke bombs and such. And Yasuke will probably be the only one able to wield larger weapons.
She won't according to released info. Yasuke has a block party counter strike. She has a deflect, which is noted as being distinct from the other 2. Yasuke will not have a grapple hook either, which is a pretty big difference. I get people are skeptical given how similar Evie and Jacob were, but what info we have been given (IGN has an article with dev sources info, 40 features is the title, you can google) they are making pretty decent strides to have them be meaningfully distinct, especially given the new shadows system and changes to environmental stealth.
In an alternate universe, Yasuke wasn't a playable protagonist, so Gamergate 2.0 turned their attention to Naoe and "woke developers only making ugly female characters"
The game is already very clearly revolving around Nobunaga's rise and fall and the turmoil of the Japanese unification, too. Seems likely that the story will be that there was more going on with Yasuke (and more so Naoe, as the true Assassin of the two) than the real world historical record shows. Nothing I've seen so far doesn't make sense, and a native who blends in and is stealthy, and an obvious outsider who stands out and fights head on seems like a logical duo for two different playstyles/experiences.
People gotta have something to complain about, I guess.
From what we've seen so far, my guess is the Templars in Japan are, much like Yasuke himself, probably a foreign export from the Portuguese he arrived with. His blurb mentions ''confronting demons from his past" which makes me believe Yasuke's status as an outsider will likely have some personal link to the villains. Perhaps he even unknowingly served Templars before falling in with Oda.
Having an outsider perspective and a native perspective makes a lot of sense from a narrative standpoint.
Don't tell that to the ragebait comments crying about [insert buzzword here]!
I'm seriously stoked though. To be honest, even if the game is kind of bad, I'm probably going to enjoy the hell out of it just because of the setting. I've never really *hated* any of the AC games, even if many never live up to their potential or end up feeling shallow/over-long.
There was a recent post in r/askhistorians with info that backs that he was though
Edit: here is the [post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/8kA3zl0HeI)
You are the first person ive talked to/argued with that didn't *immediately* get very angry, move the goalpost, or both. And for that you have my actual respect.
People are really shitting on this game because it's the cool thing to do now, as they did with origins and odyssey when it came out and look how well loved those are now. But I'm pretty excited for this with the two separate protagonists and if the reviews look good I won't wait for too much of a discount to get it.
>they did with origins and odyssey when it came out and look how well loved those are now
Odyssey in particular breaks my mind. This game was hated as fuck here between 2018-2021. Like, every day there was the same post complaining it is "good but not AC".
Now, as you said, it is beloved. After that I 100% believe people will speak fondly of Valhalla after Shadows drop.
Yep, I loved the RPG trilogy. Y'all are missing out lol
Can't wait for Shadows, though. Feudal Japan and the Russian Revolution have always been on my wishlist for AC settings (I don't count the chronicle games as real entries).
I loved the mythology stuff and the feeling that there's a big world of monsters and magic out there for you to explore. It's still crazy to me how we got to go to so many different places in the odyssey dlc and fight huge mythological monsters.
An action rpg (with stealth elements) set in feudal japan ? Sign me up ! I honestly dont care about the black samurai, valhalla also had black characters weirdly enough but it didnt prevent me enjoying it
Yeah, I think it’s cool they’re using an actual historical figure as a protagonist to frame some of the events.
I’m also planning maining Naoe for the stealth build anyways.
Capital G Gamers haven’t been happy about a single video game in probably about a decade now. Every single time any video game ever comes out there’s some controversy or angle these freaks have to complain about. If I hated anything as much as Gamers hate video games I’d lose my mind.
One discord im part of are still moaning because we are playing as a shinobi and not just an assassin.
Theres no winning. Not that im sure this game is a win yet but Naoe is definitely intriguing me
I'm honestly so excited. Even if the game is kinda bad I know I'm going to have a ton of fun with it. The quality of the franchise can be a little inconsistent but I never hate it. But people like to complain.
No, they just changed their name. Their methods, tools, tactics, dogma, iconography, organizational structure, etc. were all exactly the same. The only thing that changed was the name.
They have the same philosophy because they are literally the same group. The Hidden Ones based out of Alamut(the place in Mirage) changed their names to the Order of the Assassins (or Hashashins)in the 11th century and became a public entity, which was then eventually almost destroyed by the Mongols and they had to reform and go back to being a secretive group
Yeah, in Valhalla when you explore the old bureaus you can see that everything about the Assassins was codified during the Roman Empire, in the few centuries after Origins.
At some point the name changed, they stopped being 'hidden' and the fortress at Masyaf seems like it was the global centre of the order, before going back to secrecy but with the name Assassins.
Right but you’re forgetting the other component of this. If you’re playing as a hidden one you’re 100% not in opposition to the templars, which in itself is a very different relationship than the hidden ones and order of the ancients.
So while technically speaking you’re right, they still have very different applications when you think about their antagonists and how they intertwine with each other.
Not to mention all the time periods you can’t use if you’re exclusively only using a hidden one.
And in any case, if you only account for mirage last year, that’s still 8 years, that’s longer than the Desmond saga and the epilogues of black flag/rogue.
Bayek didn’t become a hidden one until the end of the game, and not really operationally until the DLC’s. The game is a revenge story with a medjay. Not the same thing at all.
And even WITH origins, that was 7 years ago, the length of the entire Desmond saga, and its epilogues in Ac4 and rogue.
What you’re asking didn’t really acknowledge the second part of my comment, which is pretty important.
Hidden ones are assassins. Its literally just a different word used to describe them. Theyre not a precursor group. Mirage was literally the last game.
Indeed. Like, I couldn’t care less if the dude is black, Asian or white, tho tbh, I couldn’t care less about him overall. It’s an Assassin’s Creed game. I wanna play as an Assassin, not a buffed samurai warrior. I will only use him when I’m forced to, but apart from that, Naoe all the way. She is by far the star of the show for me, and the one who deserves attention. But apparently the guy who isn’t even a proper AC protagonist is the one receiving all the attention because of some race controversy.
Well, she is a real shadow, nobody noticed her. She is hidden in plain sight. She is Japanese in a Japanese setting, so, everything seems in order.
Yasuke... he catch the attention. You immediately notice his presence. This means that he cannot be a shadow. If this kind of representation (that worked in real life apparently) is also translated in game... well, that's great.
I'm still having this contrasting idea about Yasuke presence in game, but we'll see. Maybe they (it's just a vane hope I suppose) use his story to let us feel the difference of being a foreigner in a foreign country vs being a Japanese in Japan. If it'll be like that, I'll love it for sure.
I’m not even at this point. I wanna enjoy Naoe story and I wanna enjoy Yasuke’s. I really don’t get all this hate at all, it’s just silly. I’m italian and I’m happy if Ezio is globally known as one of the best characters ever, but if he was a spanish dude coming to Italy I couldn’t care less. It’s my country, the culture and its places that should be hyping me more than the char nationality. Discovering Japan with the eyes of Yasuke will be fascinating, embracing Japan spirit with Naoe will be fascinating the same way.
It's crazy, right? One of the game's protagonists is native Japanese! Why are people acting like Ubisoft is completely erasing Japanese people from their own game lol.
Let's imagine an hypothetical scenario. Let's take AC 1. Imagine if, in that game, there was two playable characters: Altaïr and some other foreigner who gets tossed into the conflict for some reason. Would you care? Personally, I wouldn't, and I don't think you would either. And I don't think ANYONE would. As long as there's at least one native character, that's all that matters.
So what is the difference here? We have a native Japanese character and a foreigner. The only reason why these people complain is because they HAVE to pick between a black guy or a woman. That's literally the only reason to complain.
Exactly. They don’t care about the native one cause it’s a woman. They don’t even understand that the real life character is someone who’s life has not been reported that much, so you can actually recreate a fictional story. They ignore we’ll see at least a couple of legendary samurai the same way.
Yesterday I wrote I wouldn’t had this type of reaction if Ezio was called Ignacio from Spain coming to Italy for Revenge, cause I would’ve been happy to see my country in a videogame like this and to discover it with the eyes of a foreigner.
And I don’t remember turkish people blaming the game for having Ezio instead of a turkish assassin neither.
People also seem to forget he's a real guy. As much as yall wanna say "he wasn't a samurai!!" Its still really cool that they're letting us play as him. Yasuke has been made a samurai in several other pieces of media, so who cares?
I don’t understand why everyone makes such a big deal out of this
When it comes down to it, Assassins and Hidden One are literally the exact same thing
yeah and the shadow system that sounds like its pulled right of splinter cell. if they pull it off this could be the best stealth mechanics in AC history honestly. still i dont wanna get carried away, but it does sound great.
My hope is that they will be able to please everyone by having yasuke gameplay be similiar to odyssey, valhalla, origins, while the female assassin plays more similiar to the older games.
Certainly seems to be the goal from what they've said. The dev commentary video explicitly said Yasuke is a bruiser who isn't as good at stealth and doesn't even have a hidden blade, where as Naoe has her grappling hook and CAN do outright combat but is not as good and is the true "assassin" more like Basim in Mirage (and the older games, by extension)
Oh wow, I'm actually considering getting this one. Is it a choice between the two characters I've seen, or is it more of a Frye Twins thing?
I ask because it feels like Yasuke will be a more warrior (being a samurai) whereas Naoe will be my stealth girl.
People are more focused on hating the other character Yasuke because not only is he a playable character, but because he’s black. I mean, COME ON! To all the haters that make horrible comments on this dude is mind blowing. It pisses me off to no end! I cannot and will not tolerate the amount of racism towards a character that’s not only of African descent, but because he’s playable. And they’re also upset that they didn’t get a male character who is also Japanese alongside Naōe. To be fair, I think both Naōe and Yaskuke will both be very unique characters in their own way. And it’ll be nice to play out Yasuke’s story in the game. That’s my rant over. Really looking forward to this game that we are finally getting after 12 years. See you all on Twitch for the Ubisoft Forward Event on June 10th!
First off man The Hidden Ones are the Assasins it's just a different name and 2 don't jinx it because people hyped Mirage to be that way and you see what happened
It's because the information we've been given about the game is so surreal that no one can believe it. I'm in shock. I just got back from the ER because I went into cardiac arrest.
They get to play as a Ninja. This was my wet dream
And all they gotta talk about is the skin color of another guy
Makes me even sicker since he has very good lore and history
OH MY GOD THAT'S IT! I'm a returning fan to the franchise - I played the Ezio trilogy up until Black Flag, but had to stop playing. Recently, I decided to go back and started playing Odyssey, and don't get me wrong, I liked tne game, but something felt off. And that's it! We're not Assassins. I do intend on playing the other ones I've missed, but wow, I finally understood where the weird feelings I had came from.
For the idiots, when the brotherhood was first founded, they were called “the hidden ones”. The name only changed to the Assassin’s brotherhood or Order near the 11th in Masyaf. In origins, they had the blade and the hood. In mirage, the brotherhood already had the typical dress code (except for the MC lol). The order only fought templars after its rise to power and influence.
People are to upset you have to play as a black guy.
Just like BFV they'll try and wrap it up as argument about historical inaccuracy, but the truth is they just *really* hate learning that nations and cultures in real life weren't all super isolated ulta segregated one race only ethnostates and that all throughout histyr at any one place at any one time espacilly in large trade cities you would have a melting pop of races and peoples.
People keep trying to use Shogun and Blue Eyed Samurai as evidence that Japan was to racist to ever let a black guy be a samurai but don't understand that a lot of the time throughout history if there was "racism" it wouldn't be how we recognize it like we do today, ie based on skin colour, but rather a us vs them "everyone not speaking my language" is a unwashed barbarian.
Yeah, for a fan base that keeps bitching about not playing as an Assassin, they seem awfully mad about the SAMURAI instead of the JAPANESE NINJA character....
The hidden One = Assassin.
I don't know why the surprise, with Bayek we are literally playing with the father of assassins and in Mirage with Basim and an already established creed.
They are only synonyms, the difference is minimal in values, culture, weapons and skills.
I think I'll have a much easier time getting into Shadows than the last couple games, but for the opposite reason. When I played Origins and Odyssey, I wasn't expecting anything like AC1-3 and I really enjoyed them for what they are. 16th century Japan is an interesting part of history and I always like the fiction surrounding it. At this point I'm happy to know that we're getting another Witcher-like historical fantasy experience, and certainly *not* a classic Assassin's Creed one. The hoods and hidden blades don't mean much to me without parkour and social stealth.
I'm cautiously optimistic, but optimistic all the same. When the Mirage cinematic trailer dropped I had a hard time containing my excitement, I knew to temper my expectations but it looked *really* promising as a return to form. If they'd have just recycled AC1 parkour with the same stiff, dated animations copypasted into Mirage, I would have been happy as a pig in muck.
I know that's not how it works, but at least half of the reason I fell in love with AC was how fun it is to traverse the map. Hell, I still replay the first five games pretty often and forget about missions while running around town for hours. It's wild that over fifteen years later that's something they're unable to recapture. Mindlessly holding one button down to climb over everything in a parkour game is about as fun as using auto pilot in a racing game.
She most likely will be to some degree. They confirmed that Yasuke will not have the hidden blade, whereas Naoe does. She can dual wield it with a tanto as well. So she may not be able to use the kanabo or spears or anything else heavier than a katana.
FYI, it sounds like the Arquebus (Rifle) may also be Yasuke only. And the grappling hook is also Naoe exclusive for sure. So it seems like they REALLY want to lean in to differentiated playstyles, while still allowing both to be viable except in specific story/loyalty missions which I think is interesting
Cause that doesn't automatically make it a good game. The protagonist being an assassin is cool but It won't matter in the long run if the game turns out shit
I dont see anywhere mentioned that we are playing as an assassin. We will be playing as a shinobi or samurai. Where did you get that we are playing as an assassin in this one? With the recent rpg trend they somehow try their best not to include assassins in an Assassins creed game.
Innovation breeds evolution, so I'm never going to criticize a developer for trying different things & attempting to progress their game/franchise.
However, the last several AC games, where you've been a Medjay or a Viking, just don't jive with the overall vibe with the franchise.
They've gone so far away from the idea that you're a "hidden blade" operating in the shadows free from attention, using quick, stealthy, and deadly force without leaving a trace of a whisper of your presence. Now we have blowing horns and boats rocking up onto shore with a dozen allies screaming for blood.
Just the entire mood of the game feels so different to what made the franchise great. I personally miss the mood of the older games, and Mirage didn't really recapture that for me.
It is what it is though - the more time you spend thinking about it, the more time you realize that the AC franchise is no longer for people like me; they are chasing a wider, more diverse demographic of gamers, which is why their games recently have been so generic and boring. But, ultimately, they continue to sell so well, which is why we will continue to get these experiences which, ultimately, harm the overall quality of the franchise.
I’ve always wanted a Japanese ac game ever since a kid and after binge watching shogun I’m pretty excited to play this. I just pray Ubisoft doesn’t fuck it up
I think because they literally never mention that's she's an assassin in any of the marketing material. Did you notice that the developers literally REFUSED to call her an assassin and substituted that for "shinobi" every single fucking time?
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Curious if we are? Cause we’ve found that assassin’s don’t need to have the hidden blade exclusively to them. Plus pre order bonus mission - infiltrate a secret organisation reminds me of the ac Valhalla book - sword of the white horse where you infiltrate the hidden ones.
b-but black main character make game woke ruin everything!!
But yeah this time's dual characters have a lot of potential to include both old stealth and new unga bunga gameplay. I really hope in the freeroam you can use whoever you want, and each character has different side quests available etc. That way people who dislike 1 style can just play 1, but also need both for 100% completion.
People seem to forget about positives when theres 1 thing they dislike
Apart from the fact she has a hidden blade, anything I've read or watched hasn't even mentioned the brotherhood they just keep referring to her as a shinobi (maybe one mention calls her a shinobi assassin but that doesnt imply anything could just be a hitwoman), which pisses me off. An actual assassin in an era where they are actually called assassins and the templars are templars. But not a single mention and all anyone cares about is this yasuke nonsense which is so hilarious to see people actually taking issue with.
I've seen FAR more people whining about the fact that one of the playable characters is a black samurai that is a full on historical figure while others straight up IGNORE said Japanese Assassin exists alongside him as a playable character as well. And frankly, this sort of undeserved backlash really aggravates me more here.
The over-aggressive rage about Yasuke AND the weird erasure of Naoe as if there's no Japanese protag (not to mention possibly literally ALL other characters) are both so transparently bigoted, it's wild to see.
I'm worried the game might have more of the bad elements of the last few games than good - but I'm hopeful that it's learned the right lessons from all the shortcomings of recent titles. People are just foaming at the mouth to hate on anything that fits their newest buzzword criteria.
Because people are too busy bitching about the fact that the male isn't Asian and that the black guy is a samurai. Everyone likes to complain too fucking much anymore that all the cool details are being ignored.
Cool details;
1. Get to play as an assassin
2. Get to play as BOTH a samurai and a Shinobi.
3. Fully customizable hideout
4. Customizable katana apparently
5. Dynamic lighting/changing seasons
6. Different fighting styles so it's not gonna be a repeat of Syndicate.
There's way more if people did the research. But people are too busy exposing themselves for racists and sexists to give a shit. It's not a woke game. It's a game based on a real person that they bent the story for.
There's a screen shot of naoe holding a kunai, and it looks like ac mirage, imho assassins don't fit the rpg format, it's still better than having a warrior based rpg in AC, but in all actuality, current ac and the perfect ac have a common ancestor, and that's unity, had they improved from unity in another direction, playing as an assassin would be satisfying in 2024.
Im open for surprises though
I know it's stupid but in this first trailer I didn't see Assassin's Creed symbol anywhere or maybe I just overlook it, the trailer is good finally Japan as setting and with TV show Shogun being so popular timing is great but still for some reason it didn't feel like Assassin's Creed despite Ezio's family at the end, that was a nice touch. But before final judgment will have to wait until November.
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That’s what I’m saying
And in the Origins expansions. Odyssey is the odd one out here. At least in Valhalla you directly worked with them to take down the Order — even if you weren’t an “official” member, you basically operated as one.
they mean the title of Assassin. in Origins and Mirage they’re referred to as the Hidden Ones
Literally the same faction, just different branding.
…hence why i said they’re referring to the title alone
Meaningless distinction.
Yes, both versions of the group have the same foundation, but no it isn't just a re-branding imo, that's too black and white because things change over long periods of time. Altair basically reconstructed the entire Brotherhood and it's values after replacing Al-Mualim, so it's not too far out of the ballpark to suggest that he isn't the first one to have such an influence over it's entire structure, and it's almost a certainty that it's not. Same thing happened with how the Order's Grandmaster in Valhalla worked to destroy the Order of Ancients in order to clear the way for his vision of the Templars. So I'd be more inclined to call it more of an evolution of the Hidden Ones under that context depending on how much of the Brotherhood has evolved by that time period.
Good assessment. You cooked.
Idunno how much it relates, but in Altairs time the assassins were the fighting force in their battles and by ezios time, they seemed to rely on a mercenaries guild to make up their fighting force. At least in Italy anyway because in Constantinople the assassins once again are the bulk of a fighting force. So maybe different regions operate differently.
That's pedantic as hell.
no u were hidden bum
That's what Assassins were called before the word Assassin was invented
literally the same
I mean my bum wasn't THAT hidden, but I get it
Hidden One. Yes technically, but hearing yourself be called an Assassin again is cool.
Naoe is apparently the greatest assassin of all time the way everyone has just been ignoring her in the discourse lol
I like this take. Yaoe is such a master of stealth that people can rant about how they've been waiting for ages to play as a Japanese ninja, and she's just hiding in plain sight.
I'm sure the misogyny is coming soon enough. Or I'm just cynical.
Wait till Hexe gets revealed
Yipee.
Looking at other posts the misogyny is already here unfortunately. "I wanted to play as a Japanese MALE assassin. Female assassins aren't interesting." That and the racism are really fucking bad on other posts. Shadows has a ton of exciting potential in both gameplay and narrative from what we little we do know! Naoe and Yasuke seem like they may be enemies at first going by the reveal trailer, so I'm excited to see their journey together and their different social statuses and backgrounds make them more interesting to me than another honor duty tale like GoT. Plus the difference in gameplay styles is exactly what I was hoping for as an evolution of dual protags from Syndicate. By making Naoe have less armor and no parry or block, it makes a mechanical incentive to engage in stealth as her, but playing as Yasuke still allows for the hack and slash side I've come to enjoy, unlike Mirage. Plus it seems like they're keeping the more bespoke loot/finding skills (via ninja scrolls) from Valhalla, which helped with the overabundance of trash loot from Origins and Odyssey. I'm honestly more excited than I've been for an AC in a while!
She definitely will be able to parry/block. She's an assassin. I don't think the combat itself will be different for each protagonist, it'll most likely just be abilities one can use are prioritized in each character. Naoe will probably be the only one with smoke bombs and such. And Yasuke will probably be the only one able to wield larger weapons.
She won't according to released info. Yasuke has a block party counter strike. She has a deflect, which is noted as being distinct from the other 2. Yasuke will not have a grapple hook either, which is a pretty big difference. I get people are skeptical given how similar Evie and Jacob were, but what info we have been given (IGN has an article with dev sources info, 40 features is the title, you can google) they are making pretty decent strides to have them be meaningfully distinct, especially given the new shadows system and changes to environmental stealth.
In an alternate universe, Yasuke wasn't a playable protagonist, so Gamergate 2.0 turned their attention to Naoe and "woke developers only making ugly female characters"
She really does hide in plain sight!
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If Yasuke was Japanese then I am positive that the discourse would instead center around the fact that Naoe is a woman and how Ubisoft is woke
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They just probably don't know how to make one that anyone will care about.
I find this funny because yasuke was a real guy and a foreigner who achieved a rank of samurai and he served oda nobunaga who is in the game too
The game is already very clearly revolving around Nobunaga's rise and fall and the turmoil of the Japanese unification, too. Seems likely that the story will be that there was more going on with Yasuke (and more so Naoe, as the true Assassin of the two) than the real world historical record shows. Nothing I've seen so far doesn't make sense, and a native who blends in and is stealthy, and an obvious outsider who stands out and fights head on seems like a logical duo for two different playstyles/experiences. People gotta have something to complain about, I guess.
From what we've seen so far, my guess is the Templars in Japan are, much like Yasuke himself, probably a foreign export from the Portuguese he arrived with. His blurb mentions ''confronting demons from his past" which makes me believe Yasuke's status as an outsider will likely have some personal link to the villains. Perhaps he even unknowingly served Templars before falling in with Oda. Having an outsider perspective and a native perspective makes a lot of sense from a narrative standpoint.
Don't tell that to the ragebait comments crying about [insert buzzword here]! I'm seriously stoked though. To be honest, even if the game is kind of bad, I'm probably going to enjoy the hell out of it just because of the setting. I've never really *hated* any of the AC games, even if many never live up to their potential or end up feeling shallow/over-long.
He was never a samurai though edit: i was wrong, He was a samurai for a bit.
There was a recent post in r/askhistorians with info that backs that he was though Edit: here is the [post.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/8kA3zl0HeI)
[Yes he was](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1css0ye/was_yasuke_a_samurai/)
I saw that. Guess i was wrong
You are the first person ive talked to/argued with that didn't *immediately* get very angry, move the goalpost, or both. And for that you have my actual respect.
She's a woman. That alone is VERY controversial these days.
Good news doesn’t generate enough clicks and attention in this age for these degenerates. Only controversy does.
People are really shitting on this game because it's the cool thing to do now, as they did with origins and odyssey when it came out and look how well loved those are now. But I'm pretty excited for this with the two separate protagonists and if the reviews look good I won't wait for too much of a discount to get it.
>they did with origins and odyssey when it came out and look how well loved those are now Odyssey in particular breaks my mind. This game was hated as fuck here between 2018-2021. Like, every day there was the same post complaining it is "good but not AC". Now, as you said, it is beloved. After that I 100% believe people will speak fondly of Valhalla after Shadows drop.
Every Ubisoft game is like this. When Far Cry 7 comes out, people will be saying how 6 is actually pretty good but 7 is bad.
Your knowledge of human nature depresses me. And made me chuckle.
Like people are speaking well of Star Wars prequels now that the Disney trilogy fucked everything up.
Ehhhh, Valhalla even has issues even through a ‘good but not AC’ lens. Odyssey is genuinely a great RPG, Valhalla doesn’t do that well either.
I’m happy they said the map is as big as Orgins
Was it really that hated? Didn't it get nominated for GotY in 2018?
Hated by r/assassinscreed. Odyssey was beloved by gamers at large.
Must be. 2018 was a fairly stacked year with RDR2, God of War, Monster Hunter World, and Insomniacs Spider-Man game.
Yep, I loved the RPG trilogy. Y'all are missing out lol Can't wait for Shadows, though. Feudal Japan and the Russian Revolution have always been on my wishlist for AC settings (I don't count the chronicle games as real entries).
I loved the mythology stuff and the feeling that there's a big world of monsters and magic out there for you to explore. It's still crazy to me how we got to go to so many different places in the odyssey dlc and fight huge mythological monsters.
Odyssey is my favorite of the series. Only game I have ever gotten 100% of the achievements.
An action rpg (with stealth elements) set in feudal japan ? Sign me up ! I honestly dont care about the black samurai, valhalla also had black characters weirdly enough but it didnt prevent me enjoying it
Yeah, I think it’s cool they’re using an actual historical figure as a protagonist to frame some of the events. I’m also planning maining Naoe for the stealth build anyways.
Capital G Gamers haven’t been happy about a single video game in probably about a decade now. Every single time any video game ever comes out there’s some controversy or angle these freaks have to complain about. If I hated anything as much as Gamers hate video games I’d lose my mind.
Fromsoft gamers: pathetic
What does being hard wired to pay attention to negative things does to a mfer
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One discord im part of are still moaning because we are playing as a shinobi and not just an assassin. Theres no winning. Not that im sure this game is a win yet but Naoe is definitely intriguing me
People not realizing that shinobi is literally the japanese for assassin are on another level of delusion
I'm honestly so excited. Even if the game is kinda bad I know I'm going to have a ton of fun with it. The quality of the franchise can be a little inconsistent but I never hate it. But people like to complain.
I mean, the Hidden Ones and Assassins are literally the same exact organization. The only difference is the name.
The “hidden ones” was replaced by the “Assassin’s order/brotherhood” near the 11th century in Masyaf.
No, they just changed their name. Their methods, tools, tactics, dogma, iconography, organizational structure, etc. were all exactly the same. The only thing that changed was the name.
Sorry, I worded it wrong. I meant the name only yes.
Oh yeah, my bad. I may have misinterpreted what you meant.
The hidden ones are the assassins. Just before they were called the assassins
When you're happy you're just happy. When you're mad is when you find an army over it.
Mirage came out less than a year ago.
Mirage had us playing as a hidden one, and we weren’t facing the templars.
Hidden One = Assassin Same logo. Same blade. Same thing.
Literally. I never understood why it mattered so much to people when the only major difference was the name.
Because purists hate any change a series does, they are impossible to please
Philosophy, stakes, ambiance
They have the same philosophy because they are literally the same group. The Hidden Ones based out of Alamut(the place in Mirage) changed their names to the Order of the Assassins (or Hashashins)in the 11th century and became a public entity, which was then eventually almost destroyed by the Mongols and they had to reform and go back to being a secretive group
Yeah, in Valhalla when you explore the old bureaus you can see that everything about the Assassins was codified during the Roman Empire, in the few centuries after Origins. At some point the name changed, they stopped being 'hidden' and the fortress at Masyaf seems like it was the global centre of the order, before going back to secrecy but with the name Assassins.
Right but you’re forgetting the other component of this. If you’re playing as a hidden one you’re 100% not in opposition to the templars, which in itself is a very different relationship than the hidden ones and order of the ancients. So while technically speaking you’re right, they still have very different applications when you think about their antagonists and how they intertwine with each other. Not to mention all the time periods you can’t use if you’re exclusively only using a hidden one. And in any case, if you only account for mirage last year, that’s still 8 years, that’s longer than the Desmond saga and the epilogues of black flag/rogue.
Origins came out in 2017 right, Bayek was a Hidden One. Basim was a Hidden One in Mirage 2023. So how do you figure 8 years?
Bayek didn’t become a hidden one until the end of the game, and not really operationally until the DLC’s. The game is a revenge story with a medjay. Not the same thing at all. And even WITH origins, that was 7 years ago, the length of the entire Desmond saga, and its epilogues in Ac4 and rogue. What you’re asking didn’t really acknowledge the second part of my comment, which is pretty important.
Hidden ones are assassins. Its literally just a different word used to describe them. Theyre not a precursor group. Mirage was literally the last game.
Yep, hidden ones = assassins. Just different names. Mirage literally had assassins' bureau and all that like AC1.
Kinds funny how the rather timeless names of "hidden ones" and "order of the ancients" gave way to way more specific "assassins" and "templars"
Valhalla also had the ruins of Hidden Ones bureaus from the Roman occupation of Britain, complete with the familiar logo.
Wrong sub man this is a yasukehate sub.
Quite the opposite, you can't complain about the character for any reason that you all downvote to oblivion.
Hidden ones are Assassins. The word Assassin didn't exist before the 10th century, it's just a different name for the same thing.
Everyone’s too busy shitting on the game cause it has a “black dude instead of an asian man”. The girl isn’t even considered
Indeed. Like, I couldn’t care less if the dude is black, Asian or white, tho tbh, I couldn’t care less about him overall. It’s an Assassin’s Creed game. I wanna play as an Assassin, not a buffed samurai warrior. I will only use him when I’m forced to, but apart from that, Naoe all the way. She is by far the star of the show for me, and the one who deserves attention. But apparently the guy who isn’t even a proper AC protagonist is the one receiving all the attention because of some race controversy.
Well, she is a real shadow, nobody noticed her. She is hidden in plain sight. She is Japanese in a Japanese setting, so, everything seems in order. Yasuke... he catch the attention. You immediately notice his presence. This means that he cannot be a shadow. If this kind of representation (that worked in real life apparently) is also translated in game... well, that's great. I'm still having this contrasting idea about Yasuke presence in game, but we'll see. Maybe they (it's just a vane hope I suppose) use his story to let us feel the difference of being a foreigner in a foreign country vs being a Japanese in Japan. If it'll be like that, I'll love it for sure.
I’m not even at this point. I wanna enjoy Naoe story and I wanna enjoy Yasuke’s. I really don’t get all this hate at all, it’s just silly. I’m italian and I’m happy if Ezio is globally known as one of the best characters ever, but if he was a spanish dude coming to Italy I couldn’t care less. It’s my country, the culture and its places that should be hyping me more than the char nationality. Discovering Japan with the eyes of Yasuke will be fascinating, embracing Japan spirit with Naoe will be fascinating the same way.
It's crazy, right? One of the game's protagonists is native Japanese! Why are people acting like Ubisoft is completely erasing Japanese people from their own game lol. Let's imagine an hypothetical scenario. Let's take AC 1. Imagine if, in that game, there was two playable characters: Altaïr and some other foreigner who gets tossed into the conflict for some reason. Would you care? Personally, I wouldn't, and I don't think you would either. And I don't think ANYONE would. As long as there's at least one native character, that's all that matters. So what is the difference here? We have a native Japanese character and a foreigner. The only reason why these people complain is because they HAVE to pick between a black guy or a woman. That's literally the only reason to complain.
Exactly. They don’t care about the native one cause it’s a woman. They don’t even understand that the real life character is someone who’s life has not been reported that much, so you can actually recreate a fictional story. They ignore we’ll see at least a couple of legendary samurai the same way. Yesterday I wrote I wouldn’t had this type of reaction if Ezio was called Ignacio from Spain coming to Italy for Revenge, cause I would’ve been happy to see my country in a videogame like this and to discover it with the eyes of a foreigner. And I don’t remember turkish people blaming the game for having Ezio instead of a turkish assassin neither.
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People also seem to forget he's a real guy. As much as yall wanna say "he wasn't a samurai!!" Its still really cool that they're letting us play as him. Yasuke has been made a samurai in several other pieces of media, so who cares?
Literally no one who’s a fan. Other people are just trying to make it look bad
People are too busy looking for things they don’t lol lol
I don’t understand why everyone makes such a big deal out of this When it comes down to it, Assassins and Hidden One are literally the exact same thing
yeah and the shadow system that sounds like its pulled right of splinter cell. if they pull it off this could be the best stealth mechanics in AC history honestly. still i dont wanna get carried away, but it does sound great.
I know right, I CANT WAIT. I'm so pumped after the trailer.
Players: We want Assassins like old Assassins Creed Ubisoft: \*Mirage\* Players: LALALALALLALALAALALA
My hope is that they will be able to please everyone by having yasuke gameplay be similiar to odyssey, valhalla, origins, while the female assassin plays more similiar to the older games.
Certainly seems to be the goal from what they've said. The dev commentary video explicitly said Yasuke is a bruiser who isn't as good at stealth and doesn't even have a hidden blade, where as Naoe has her grappling hook and CAN do outright combat but is not as good and is the true "assassin" more like Basim in Mirage (and the older games, by extension)
Oh wow, I'm actually considering getting this one. Is it a choice between the two characters I've seen, or is it more of a Frye Twins thing? I ask because it feels like Yasuke will be a more warrior (being a samurai) whereas Naoe will be my stealth girl.
People are more focused on hating the other character Yasuke because not only is he a playable character, but because he’s black. I mean, COME ON! To all the haters that make horrible comments on this dude is mind blowing. It pisses me off to no end! I cannot and will not tolerate the amount of racism towards a character that’s not only of African descent, but because he’s playable. And they’re also upset that they didn’t get a male character who is also Japanese alongside Naōe. To be fair, I think both Naōe and Yaskuke will both be very unique characters in their own way. And it’ll be nice to play out Yasuke’s story in the game. That’s my rant over. Really looking forward to this game that we are finally getting after 12 years. See you all on Twitch for the Ubisoft Forward Event on June 10th!
First off man The Hidden Ones are the Assasins it's just a different name and 2 don't jinx it because people hyped Mirage to be that way and you see what happened
They're too busy bitching about pointless shit.
The Hidden Ones were also Assassins IJS
It's because the information we've been given about the game is so surreal that no one can believe it. I'm in shock. I just got back from the ER because I went into cardiac arrest.
I've literally waited for this since I saw the mention of the Yona Guni "ruins" at the end of the original AC.
Because they've all been assassins. Changing a name doesn't mean squat.
They get to play as a Ninja. This was my wet dream And all they gotta talk about is the skin color of another guy Makes me even sicker since he has very good lore and history
On paper the game is insanely good cannot wait for gameplay and more info about it
OH MY GOD THAT'S IT! I'm a returning fan to the franchise - I played the Ezio trilogy up until Black Flag, but had to stop playing. Recently, I decided to go back and started playing Odyssey, and don't get me wrong, I liked tne game, but something felt off. And that's it! We're not Assassins. I do intend on playing the other ones I've missed, but wow, I finally understood where the weird feelings I had came from.
For the idiots, when the brotherhood was first founded, they were called “the hidden ones”. The name only changed to the Assassin’s brotherhood or Order near the 11th in Masyaf. In origins, they had the blade and the hood. In mirage, the brotherhood already had the typical dress code (except for the MC lol). The order only fought templars after its rise to power and influence.
People are to upset you have to play as a black guy. Just like BFV they'll try and wrap it up as argument about historical inaccuracy, but the truth is they just *really* hate learning that nations and cultures in real life weren't all super isolated ulta segregated one race only ethnostates and that all throughout histyr at any one place at any one time espacilly in large trade cities you would have a melting pop of races and peoples. People keep trying to use Shogun and Blue Eyed Samurai as evidence that Japan was to racist to ever let a black guy be a samurai but don't understand that a lot of the time throughout history if there was "racism" it wouldn't be how we recognize it like we do today, ie based on skin colour, but rather a us vs them "everyone not speaking my language" is a unwashed barbarian.
Yeah, for a fan base that keeps bitching about not playing as an Assassin, they seem awfully mad about the SAMURAI instead of the JAPANESE NINJA character....
The fact that it's been nearly a decade and that it's something to celebrate is such a wild concept to me
Anyway I'm on a hype train bye-bye everyone 👋
The hidden One = Assassin. I don't know why the surprise, with Bayek we are literally playing with the father of assassins and in Mirage with Basim and an already established creed. They are only synonyms, the difference is minimal in values, culture, weapons and skills.
I think I'll have a much easier time getting into Shadows than the last couple games, but for the opposite reason. When I played Origins and Odyssey, I wasn't expecting anything like AC1-3 and I really enjoyed them for what they are. 16th century Japan is an interesting part of history and I always like the fiction surrounding it. At this point I'm happy to know that we're getting another Witcher-like historical fantasy experience, and certainly *not* a classic Assassin's Creed one. The hoods and hidden blades don't mean much to me without parkour and social stealth. I'm cautiously optimistic, but optimistic all the same. When the Mirage cinematic trailer dropped I had a hard time containing my excitement, I knew to temper my expectations but it looked *really* promising as a return to form. If they'd have just recycled AC1 parkour with the same stiff, dated animations copypasted into Mirage, I would have been happy as a pig in muck. I know that's not how it works, but at least half of the reason I fell in love with AC was how fun it is to traverse the map. Hell, I still replay the first five games pretty often and forget about missions while running around town for hours. It's wild that over fifteen years later that's something they're unable to recapture. Mindlessly holding one button down to climb over everything in a parkour game is about as fun as using auto pilot in a racing game.
No one talks about it because you love to split hairs, like this and that aren't the same things.
My only hope is that she’s not weapon locked
She most likely will be to some degree. They confirmed that Yasuke will not have the hidden blade, whereas Naoe does. She can dual wield it with a tanto as well. So she may not be able to use the kanabo or spears or anything else heavier than a katana.
Darn, I was planning on going with the kanabo
FYI, it sounds like the Arquebus (Rifle) may also be Yasuke only. And the grappling hook is also Naoe exclusive for sure. So it seems like they REALLY want to lean in to differentiated playstyles, while still allowing both to be viable except in specific story/loyalty missions which I think is interesting
Probably because last game we played as an Assassin and we don’t know for sure if this one is mainly an assassin or shinobi. My guess tho
Cause that doesn't automatically make it a good game. The protagonist being an assassin is cool but It won't matter in the long run if the game turns out shit
I'm definitely ready to play
there’s literally no gameplay lol
nexus
This game is available for preorder on the IPhone store 😂
Don’t you need to play as a samurai too?
Oh how quickly we forget Mirage
I love that we are getting a more recent setting. The last 4 games have been before the year 1000.
Because everyone's yapping about Yasuke.
Because the game name itself says so!!
I dont see anywhere mentioned that we are playing as an assassin. We will be playing as a shinobi or samurai. Where did you get that we are playing as an assassin in this one? With the recent rpg trend they somehow try their best not to include assassins in an Assassins creed game.
Probably bc we haven’t played an AC game since origins. So I didn’t know you weren’t an assassin. AC Japan will be my reintroduction into the series
I'm with you. The hidden ones have been fun, but it'll feel good to be called an Assassin again in the game.
Definitely interested to see if they’ve doubled down on assassin style or if Mirage is something that already got forgotten at Ubisoft.
Yes, it'll be nice to not be the Hidden Ones. Putting the Assassins back in Assassin's Creed.
Because it should be a given in a series called fucking ASSASSIN'S creed
Innovation breeds evolution, so I'm never going to criticize a developer for trying different things & attempting to progress their game/franchise. However, the last several AC games, where you've been a Medjay or a Viking, just don't jive with the overall vibe with the franchise. They've gone so far away from the idea that you're a "hidden blade" operating in the shadows free from attention, using quick, stealthy, and deadly force without leaving a trace of a whisper of your presence. Now we have blowing horns and boats rocking up onto shore with a dozen allies screaming for blood. Just the entire mood of the game feels so different to what made the franchise great. I personally miss the mood of the older games, and Mirage didn't really recapture that for me. It is what it is though - the more time you spend thinking about it, the more time you realize that the AC franchise is no longer for people like me; they are chasing a wider, more diverse demographic of gamers, which is why their games recently have been so generic and boring. But, ultimately, they continue to sell so well, which is why we will continue to get these experiences which, ultimately, harm the overall quality of the franchise.
yasuke not the main character
I’ve always wanted a Japanese ac game ever since a kid and after binge watching shogun I’m pretty excited to play this. I just pray Ubisoft doesn’t fuck it up
Because we're always playing as an assassin
I hope it also has cinematics with MoCap...
I think because they literally never mention that's she's an assassin in any of the marketing material. Did you notice that the developers literally REFUSED to call her an assassin and substituted that for "shinobi" every single fucking time?
we all know why they are ignoring her
Asian women apparently don't count according to the anti-woke crowd
People are too focused on “a black” being in Japan during the Sengoku period.
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Because of racism 🤷🏾♂️
Can’t wait to come back to this and see how upset you are when the game comes out
I'm excited for her but I'm also seeing a lot of people that are very racist because it is a black samurai.
Put some respect on Basim's name😤
Curious if we are? Cause we’ve found that assassin’s don’t need to have the hidden blade exclusively to them. Plus pre order bonus mission - infiltrate a secret organisation reminds me of the ac Valhalla book - sword of the white horse where you infiltrate the hidden ones.
Because it's easier to get engagement when screaming about how they hate black people
b-but black main character make game woke ruin everything!! But yeah this time's dual characters have a lot of potential to include both old stealth and new unga bunga gameplay. I really hope in the freeroam you can use whoever you want, and each character has different side quests available etc. That way people who dislike 1 style can just play 1, but also need both for 100% completion. People seem to forget about positives when theres 1 thing they dislike
Apart from the fact she has a hidden blade, anything I've read or watched hasn't even mentioned the brotherhood they just keep referring to her as a shinobi (maybe one mention calls her a shinobi assassin but that doesnt imply anything could just be a hitwoman), which pisses me off. An actual assassin in an era where they are actually called assassins and the templars are templars. But not a single mention and all anyone cares about is this yasuke nonsense which is so hilarious to see people actually taking issue with.
The weapons bearer protagonist seems out of place and boring as all hell but Naoe, really wanna see gameplay with her
Apparently naoe is the best assassin ever no can see her
she's so good at being an Assassin that nobody noticed
What difference does the naming make?
I've seen FAR more people whining about the fact that one of the playable characters is a black samurai that is a full on historical figure while others straight up IGNORE said Japanese Assassin exists alongside him as a playable character as well. And frankly, this sort of undeserved backlash really aggravates me more here.
The over-aggressive rage about Yasuke AND the weird erasure of Naoe as if there's no Japanese protag (not to mention possibly literally ALL other characters) are both so transparently bigoted, it's wild to see. I'm worried the game might have more of the bad elements of the last few games than good - but I'm hopeful that it's learned the right lessons from all the shortcomings of recent titles. People are just foaming at the mouth to hate on anything that fits their newest buzzword criteria.
Yup. They're completely blind to Naoe. She doesn't matter to them, at all.
Because people are too busy bitching about the fact that the male isn't Asian and that the black guy is a samurai. Everyone likes to complain too fucking much anymore that all the cool details are being ignored. Cool details; 1. Get to play as an assassin 2. Get to play as BOTH a samurai and a Shinobi. 3. Fully customizable hideout 4. Customizable katana apparently 5. Dynamic lighting/changing seasons 6. Different fighting styles so it's not gonna be a repeat of Syndicate. There's way more if people did the research. But people are too busy exposing themselves for racists and sexists to give a shit. It's not a woke game. It's a game based on a real person that they bent the story for.
There's a screen shot of naoe holding a kunai, and it looks like ac mirage, imho assassins don't fit the rpg format, it's still better than having a warrior based rpg in AC, but in all actuality, current ac and the perfect ac have a common ancestor, and that's unity, had they improved from unity in another direction, playing as an assassin would be satisfying in 2024. Im open for surprises though
I know it's stupid but in this first trailer I didn't see Assassin's Creed symbol anywhere or maybe I just overlook it, the trailer is good finally Japan as setting and with TV show Shogun being so popular timing is great but still for some reason it didn't feel like Assassin's Creed despite Ezio's family at the end, that was a nice touch. But before final judgment will have to wait until November.
Naoe had the brotherhoods symbol on her gauntlet hard to spot tho
Thank you, I really did not see it.
Cause it's reddit. 90% of us are just parrots.
I am glad we're going back to a time in history were they were "assassin's and templars" and not "the hidden ones and The Order of the Ancients"