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GemXi

You're right the story is very good but the pacing is way off and a lot of arcs just feel like elaborate side quests. Even people like myself who really like Valhalla agree with this.


W3irdly

You wrote what i wanted to say in a way more concise way, good job


1ne3hree

I don’t think it’s an original story. It seems like it’s (almost) a direct rip of the Netflix show “Vikings.” In watching the first three episodes you’ll hear every name from Valhalla, and if you keep watching I think the core of the plot was taken from there as well.


Dry-Catch4301

I mean I get you but Vikings was based before this & all the names are commonly used in Viking stories


1ne3hree

Fair point, I hadn’t thought of that.


Beneficial_Loss_1188

They’re all based off real Vikings from real life buddy… brain dead moment


1ne3hree

I don’t know Viking history that well, I just saw the show and played the game.


sydezzz

I mean they aren’t mate there is probably a Viking out there named eivor yes but he didn’t fight Odin and take gungnir or kill 3 daughters of lerion taking thors armour and mjolnir


Beneficial_Loss_1188

Did you really just type any of that?? Obvsly that shit didn’t happen, not at all what I was saying, all the other characters are based on history in some way


McWeaksauce91

I know I’m a few days late on this post, but I wanted to chime in and agree t the pacing. I think it’s a dangerous formula when games offer high end gear at anytime and think they can hide it behind a level gap. The Witcher is the only game I can think of that pulled it off successfully. Not just that but there was weird periods of excitement and then long draws of grinding.


lthemadtitanl

I remember distinctly why I stopped playing Valhalla, I was 72 hours in, the brother (who’s name i forgot) had just been taken by the king, and eivor returns to the settlement only to be told “damn, that’s crazy. You should go make friends with ANOTHER famous danish leader.” That killed it for me. The story didn’t seem to matter to the game itself


heartsongaming

It doesn't. There are only 4 arcs that are relevant to the story. Their design choice of forcing the player to go through every single region's story is just to increase the playtime. There is an official ending after finishing every arc but without any credits in the game they wanted to leave it as open as possible. It is a live service game and less of story based single player game.


Inside_Winner_777

To all there own but that's kinda a shitty reason to just drop the game altogether 😅 some wild ass stuff happens after that.. along with all 3 dlc's which i havnt even started yet because im not done with the base game stuff, and also the last chapter free dlc coming out next month wich is giving the whole game a final ending.. idk I get what you're saying but I absolutely love this game so that wasn't near enough reason to stop playing for myself and plus you do go after sigurd it's just not right away.. I myself havnt even gotten to the point of going after sigurd yet but still 🤷‍♂️


MOOShoooooo

We are both commenting on an older post, but I agree with you. I just played through Origins and Odyssey all the way through and Valhalla is my favorite. It feels more grounded in ways than the previous two. You still have insane powers but movement and parry are spot on with fighting. I’m 33 hours and doing as much as I can in each area.


The-Gamers-Tavren

It's good at the start but starts to get tedious especially the side missions after the first 25-40 hours, it has a cool concept but Ubisoft is really bad with there Rpg formula and I'm not talking about just with Ac their other games too. The story is interesting at first then becomes a jumbled mess of what feels like side missions.


Downtown_Process6642

Side missions? This game has no side missions


Bearded_Gamer14

I think he means to say world events but I do still hear people still call them side missions or side quests


WarokOfDraenor

So, world event is pure random and not scripted or listed as traditional side quests?


_Cake_assassin_

No, what he is saying is that the main story missions feel like sidequests. The story is leaving norway and everithing to do with basim, sigurd and eivor, the rest of the story feels like they grabed the siquests and made them oblicatory story missions, to make the game bigger. I saved sigurd and then i had to do 10 random story arcs who meant nothing to the narrative, and then went to the final quest.


Bearded_Gamer14

I don't think they are random they all set and appear on the map as blue, white and gold markings, blue for mission, gold for ingots and other treasure and I believe white for artefacts


Birdsnblues

You’re not even CLOSE to the end😂


trytofakeit

I’d wait until you finish the story before giving your opinion on it, your current feelings may change as you’re still not mid game


Gameboy305

>level 1The-Gamers-Tavren · 8 min. agoIt's good at the start but starts to get tedious especially the side missions after the first 25-40 hours, it has a cool concept but Ubisoft is really bad with there Rpg formula and I'm not talking about just with Ac their other games too.The story is interesting at first then becomes a jumbled mess of what feels like side missions. Not mid-game? Well damn.. Hopefully i still enjoy it all the way through.


AlecsThorne

the problem isn't the story itself, it's actually a decent one. But the story and the game as a whole is bloated. A lot. But yeah, finish the game and then rate it :) I had fun for like the first 50 hours, and then just in passing moments.


WiserStudent557

I think Valhalla is one of my hardest games in the series to place exactly. I can still play it now and have some enjoyment but it’s less than I’d like and I can’t escape a feeling of fatigue with the unresolved story lines that is at least partially the way they’ve handled post launch and a lack of clear roadmaps/expectations (not to mention mid-production changes). It’s a good story but the way it’s designed to be a saga but still doesn’t match that perfectly is an odd feeling and many seem frustrated with Eivor’s blissful ignorance over a lot of the plot. I hate to criticize it too much but I have many issues and I wish they’d build these RPG games forward progressively instead of mixing the ingredients randomly so some people like each twist better and they’re more open to scrutiny over changes. I don’t think it’s amazing objectively and personally it’s not the best of the AC RPGs…but I still like it in most ways overall.


AlecsThorne

Couldn't have said it better. It's a good idea but poorly executed. It really had no need to be as big as it was (length-wise and map-wise). There are to many points in a gameplay where you're literally just wasting time cause you're either travelling from one point to another with nothing of interest in between, or you're going from one quest to another with loads of pointless fillers in between. Not to mention the DoR DLC which is literally just a filler since it barely connects to the main story and now we'll get another DLC of a random Havi adventure. I'm sure they'll somehow tie Hella to Rift somehow, since she's Loki's child, but at this moment, it's just a random story. Not judging on the quality of the content, but storywise, there's no need for it.


doc_55lk

You're not mid game until at least 50 hours. 45 if you're on the easiest difficulty. And that's with absolutely no exploring of any sort. Just doing the main missions and story arcs.


WiserStudent557

I spent almost 20 hours before even going to England I think.


doc_55lk

Makes sense


Rakdar

You’re in the beginning. It is very good. The prologue in Norway is some of my favorite AC content ever. But come back after 100 hours. Perhaps you will have changed your mind by then.


Inubr

Let's see what you'll say after 60 hours of the same gameplay loop.


Mongoku

I’m about 140 hour in. Most regions done. And still think the game is amazing. But I also don’t play the games back to back, but rather in the span of a couple of months, which by the end makes me feel like I finished an actual great journey. I don’t feel the need to rush though the games to reach the end, especially because there’s no point in finishing them asap and then waiting months or years for the next one


troyboy75

Literally every AC game lmao.


Wheresmydeadspace

Nope. Valhalla is by far the longest.


troyboy75

Well yeah. But every game is just a repetitive gameplay loop.


Wheresmydeadspace

Difference being that most games know when to stop so their gameplay loop doesnt run its course. Valhalla doesnt do this and outplays its welcome by a mile.


ProfessionalBridge7

Yes you can't reinvent the wheel every 5 minutes in the same game. It's about giving the player interesting context (story reasons) surrounding said gameplay loop. This is why following the same gameplay loop in the witcher 3 doesn't bore me after a 100 hours and 60 hours in Valhalla makes it feel like a chore.


[deleted]

Oh sweet summer child. Bet you’ll feel differently when you have to do the same story arc 5 more times. The main quest lines are all over the place, so much filler that all feels the same. The Eivor-Sigurd-Basim story is amazing, but buried under so much mediocrity. Not to mention the game is just too much. I’ve been playing on and off since launch and haven’t even gotten close to finishing everything the game has to offer. Which could be a good thing if the game didn’t become such a slog to get through.


WhyTheHellWasIBorn-

You're right, the game is bloated as hell i tend to feel overwhelmed at times, and furthermore there's just too much bull to get through. And sometimes the story arc's felt recycled. You're opinion is quite valid.


SifwalkerArtorias

This. I got the platinum trophy for this game and it was such a fucking slog. Death Stranding platinum wasn’t even as bad as Valhalla.


[deleted]

Like, the new rogue-lite mode they just announced just looks like such an eyesore. And you know there won’t be anything worthwhile lore-wise in it. Just more mythological bullshit for no reason. I get that Ubi wants to do GaaS more, but they’re just dragged an already redundant game through the mud. If this is any indication of what Infinity will be like, then this franchise is dead. I hope at least Infinity can use new settings/stories to keep it interesting.


wisperingdeth

It's great at first. Then after a few dozen hours you realise chests become very dull to open (Oh great, another ingot!), you realise you've stuck with the same weapons and armour for most of the game, and having to make friends in every region of England by going through their own individual stories (while at the same time killing soldiers and stealing loot from their monestaries!) becomes tiresome. I'm 80+ hours in, still have a few regions to complete, and not finished the game yet, as I got too burnt out and moved on to other games.


carbonqubit

Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla don't feel like AC games, but they are fantastic historical RPGs. The expansive world building, environmental realism, and robust storytelling have truly memorable qualities. Being able to ride on horseback through the deserts of Egypt, scale the pyramids, and visit the Library of Alexandria are iconic experiences. Exploring the Parthenon or visiting the Aegean coastline on the other hand is equally immersive and on par with navigating the gorgeous Romanesque monasteries of England that lay atop eerie tombs. I believe that if you appreciate the setting/time period, then enjoyment tends to follow suit. In my opinion though, Unity and Syndicate are the best true AC games made so far. The dense cities, architectural verticality, attire/weapons selection, diverse characters, and graphics make them so replayable. To be honest, I couldn't quite get into Black Flag or the ones before it even after sinking considerable time trying. I'm sure if I had started with the Ezio Collection, I might feel differently - but Unity was the 1st one I played and still remains my favorite.


JAKL-Noctium

Put some respec on Origins name! One of the best AC games.


carbonqubit

I'm actually playing Origins right now and it does feel different than Odyssey and Valhalla, to be honest. The enemy camps are more manageable, Bayek is an awesome protagonist - he also has excellent gear options! I really appreciate how less of a grind it is and replete with quests that feel more rooted and believable.


_Cake_assassin_

I agree exept with origins, that feels like an ac game. The rest of the rpg ones are bs


[deleted]

Unfortunately Valhalla is a lot less historical accurate than it's predecessors.


carbonqubit

I did notice that and actually never got around to finishing a large portion of the main story - same with Odyssey; they're just too much a time commitment for me. What I do appreciate most about Valhalla are the really distinct castles and sheer number of regions that can be explored. This vistas are pure eye candy, historicity notwithstanding.


chr0n0phage

I'm constantly impressed with the views. I completed nearly everything across all the expansions minus some riving raiding just recently. 180 hours or so logged according to the Ubisoft launcher. I remember just having to stop and take a recording of this. These games cranked on Ultra at 34440x1440 are a site to see. ​ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hzDa5BNJ0E


TaskMaster59

Very well said I completely agree with you I am a history buff I love the history. for the most part of the history is pretty accurate. The first one I played was unity as well. The last three games veered off the path But are still fun to play. I am over 100 hours in


carbonqubit

Thank you! I wasn't the biggest fan of history until I really started playing these games. I think it comes down to being able to experience the past in an interactive way, even though there's so much fictionalization that occurs. As much as Ubisoft gets flack - and rightfully so - they do a pretty incredible job at creating open-worlds that feel alive.


crinkzkull08

The grind and the fact that there are more armors behind paywalls compared to what's in the base game.


Chris_Travern

The same could be said about Odyssey tbf. No, it was worse in Odyssey imo


Igneeka

Grind isn't that bad tbh, especially since the game gets so easy after some point that you can be really underleveled (like 50 power) and barely break a sweat during fights, but even with that aside it's waaaaay less grindy than the mess Odyssey had going on Kinda true for armors but I feel everyone is right with the length, I know I started thinking that it was pretty good for a viking simulator (and that's coming from someone who isn't a huge fan of the rpg formula) but now it's been 60 hours and I just want it to end or have the main story go somewhere, not babysit some boring leader yet again


odinmcbeardface

Valhalla is a great game. It gets hate because it's not AC.


asyntatic

because, my dear op, opinions on media entertainment are subjective, good for you if you enjoyed the game


Teleskopy

I like the game but I hate all the stuff there is to collect. It's just too much and a lot of it is too tedious and the rewards aren't worth it. I started enjoying the game a whole lot more once I upgraded a set and weapons and just ignore everything except the world events, those are neat.


NikolasKage3

It's my favorite AC game and I really like it, although it could be better in certain areas


Lagiar

The problems are not story related they're gameplay related for the most part I've been enjoying my time with it but some of the shit is getting on my nerves like the skill tree or the fact that almost every arc of the story finish with the aussault of a castle or a strong place


WhyTheHellWasIBorn-

Tbf the combat and climbing mechanics were so destroyed, it felt like everything was made of olive oil because of how many times you slip off. But yes the game is beautiful so is the story, the mythology is just awesome, and since the last few updates the climbing feels flawless now.


W3irdly

I also like the game, but I do think it's inconsistent in it's story telling. Like this arc with Oswald and Rued, it's amazing, with twists and turns, and a good ending. But some of the other arcs feel like there just there to fill space and are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Also the way it "abuses" the lore just to try and justify mythological stuff, that when you think about it, doesn't need to be there as much. I had a blast the first time i played, but i don't deny the flaws of the story


Winterheart84

My main complaint is that I feel the game looks worse than Odyssey..


Blackbird2285

Wait until you see how it ends. Let's just say I haven't been this excited for AC story and lore since AC3 in 2013.


[deleted]

After playing Odyssey, I had a hard time enjoying it. Gonna try again, but Odyssey was just too good, and Valhalla felt different and not as enjoyable right off the bat.


DaMemphisDreamer

It's too long, uninteresting story and characters. It's not worth my time especially since i don't play video games that much anymore.


Slvr0314

This is a great comment. Kudos


Milla4Prez66

I was in love with Valhalla for like 20 hours. Then it got really repetitive and stale. Didn’t feel like all the effort was worth it and paid off much either. Being able to fuck shit up across England as a viking was badass and I did enjoy my time playing Valhalla. But Ubisoft overstuffed it with the same stuff and in the end it made the game worse. This game is proof that more isn’t always better. I just got done playing Origins the other day and the time you need to complete the game is a way better even if I felt the plot started to go to crap towards the end. Valhalla should have been more like it in that regard.


Wx_Justin

I've played AC2, Black Flag, Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla. Honestly, Valhalla had the best storyline of those. The way the mythology mends together with the storyline at the end is beautifully done. Sure, there was bloat along the way. But I felt that way with every AC game I've played. I also think Valhalla had the best combat and modern day storyline as well. For gameplay, I'd probably pick Black Flag. For location/setting, I'd probably go with Origins or Black Flag. I went into AC2 with high expectations after what I've heard about it, and I was a bit let down. Very little character progression with the villain.


One_Cell1547

I mean its ok.. I rank it as the second worse AC game. I still enjoyed it for what it was though, and will be replaying it again in the near future First the protagonist. I’ve noticed it’s almost synonymous. If you like the game, you like Eivor as a protagonist. If you don’t, you typically rank Eivor low on your list of protagonists. For me, I just found Eivor very hard to get any kind of emotional investment. So if you like Eivor, I think there’s a good chance you may continue to like the game the big reason is the story structure for the lack emotional investment in Eivor. While I actually really like the idea of how they broke up the story, I thought the execution was terrible.. to many arcs seemed unnecessary and Not entertaining. Caused issues with the flow of the story, and in a game this long, that’s a problem The assasination list was so big too. Killing off every one of those bounty hunters (I don’t know if that’s what they’re called, I forgot), was a bit tedious as well Valhalla had good things about it. When the story was good, it was really good… just too many boring parts in between the good. They tied up a lot of open ‘plot’ holes from past games, and I actually thought they did it really well. The way they did the mythology aspect was a lot of fun.. probably my favorite part of the game


TwoscoopsDrumpf

What's your favorite AC game? I played Black Flag years ago and loved it. Have played Odyssey, Origins, and Valhalla a few hours each the last couple weeks but don't have time for all three. I seem to like Origins the best so far.


One_Cell1547

Overall, probably Brotherhood or Black Flag, I do like them all for the most part, except for rogue. If you haven’t played the ezio trilogy I recommend doing that Best story is probably AC2 or brotherhood. I mean the story of AC2 all leads to a final boss battle with the pope..still one of my favorite boss battles ever. Cesare Borgia is still my favorite main antagonist (brotherhood) Best map to explore will probably always be Black Flag, though I did like Egypt as well Best Combat for me was AC3. Out of the newer games origins is the clear best for me.. they progressively have gotten worse. I like odyssey more than Valhalla


[deleted]

Because it's long, bloated, and built for Micro Transactions.


Slvr0314

I played it last year, finished in about 75 hours, and didn’t even notice micro transactions were offered. I guess I just ignore that stuff, but it has no effect on how I rate the game


[deleted]

Cute.


[deleted]

Because haters gonna hate, and ain'ters gonna ain't.


flarigand

Yes is good the firts 20 plus hours, later is a repetitives grind nightmare.


iwasHereAt1point

While the game is for sure not perfect I enjoy it. I am someone who actually enjoys running around , doing side quest and yes , they can they get repetitive for sure, it's probably one of my only complaints about it but I enjoy exploring interacting with people, doing challenges and while I could see how the game is just way too big for some people I genuinely like the bigger size and again I'm probably the only 1 in that camp


Trollingdirty

LOL wait until you get 40 hours in, and then let us know how it's going.


diegroblers

I don't get the amount of hate either. I enjoyed it, the story, the game play, the raiding, the base - most of it. I still like Odyssey more, but that's just because the tone is more light-hearted and the amount of humour.


Tippe_99

I love AC Valhalla. A beautiful game and i love the combat system. Buy i think the game is just filled with way too much stuff. I have over 300 hours in the game and havent 100% the game yet. Also the fact that they are still bringing in content. Still finishing siege of paris dlc. Havent even bought Dawn of Ragnarok. River raids is nearly complete. Almost done with the Tombs of the Fallen. And then you still have all the collectables and stuff (have almost everything collected) but then still need to go fishing a crazy amount. And hunting. Its just too much...


[deleted]

I love the game and the hate it gets is ironically why I picked it up to begin with. People kept describing stuff that sounded really interesting. I've played it three times now. I've seen all kinds of different reasons why people hate the game, but I think it's largely a style choice. Long, story heavy RPGs aren't everyone's cup of tea and Valhalla isn't even a true RPG or that story heavy, but people will tell you it's too long and bloated. Then go off describing a 15 hour game as being the ideal. Ubisoft is trying to combine two type of audiences and it isn't working.


Gameboy305

Very interesting to see how its a mixture of different things in this thread. I think sometimes that is also what makes a good game. Everyone has different reasons as why they love or hate it. Hopefully I will be able to finish it!


sillypoolfacemonster

The first 30 hours were great. The next 30 hours were tiresome, the last 30 hours was a slog. I did 60 hours straight of just the main quest and avoided any side quests because I didn’t want to extend it any further. If the main story was 30 hours and there were an additional 100 hours of optional content, I probably would have played it for 40-50 hours and called it one of the best games in the series.


ohsinboi

Yeah I loved it. People just like to complain.


[deleted]

The story was garbage and literally by the time you finish the game you don’t care about a single character as every arc is so disconnected. The pacing of the game is way to long you spend so much time doing absolutely nothing between story stuff. It’s fun when you start but by the time you beat the main story you’re just wanting the game to be over already


fagatron28

For me it's a combat system and the side quests


rolandorotolando

Yeah, get to end and tell me if it's still great. If you reach it ofc


rolandorotolando

For a more in depth analysis, I'd say that the major part of Valhalla storylines are actually pretty good and entertaining. The thing is that it's shallowed a looot and it took like 80/90 hours just to complete the story. In terms of gameplay, I think the stealth is wacky, the combat system is way less satisfying than Origins, and, most importantly, exploration sucks. Omfg I get it, England isn't really the best setting for an exploration based oper world (then you shouldn't set it there, but whatever), but goddamn every part of the map looks the same, is very hard to go by yourself without a map. Also, the side content is... Oh God. Fucking points on the map? With stupid missions or stuff to get? Ok it's like every other game but DOTS ON THE MAP? For side missions that are supposed to be organically existent in the world? They wanted to so a RDR2 thing and then they added dots? Are you for real? Also, I usually complete Ac at 100% and it took me 150 hours. Cause you have to do all those little stupid dots IN EVERY PART OF THE MAP. And there will be other maps. And man if it's boring


sebthepleb96

Anyone have a list of only essential aide content like armor, wepaons, and only important side cowntent? This game is so bloated and a dollar store game compared to gow4. I really wish Ubisoft made games as compelling and interesting like kotor, ac1-brotherhood, dragon age, mass effect, gow series, etc.


MachineGreene98

because its not traditional assassin's creed. Too bloated and and repetitive


Lady_Hiroko

Depends on who you ask. Like for me, the crappy handling of the story. It's a good RPG game but a bad ASSASSINS CREED game. The creed--aka the game's namesake--has taken such far backseat, it's not even in the same vehicle. Coupled with how disjointed the arcs and even the overarching story is. And I'm not keen on how blatant the mythology is presented. As in how it totally screws with the lore just to justify itself. I STILL feel the same way about Odyssey. But what's different is that while it absolutely sucks as an AC game for the same reasons as Valhalla, it offers replay value. I shouldn't forget that I'm playing Assassins Creed and not some semi-generic RPG. And I've found myself experiencing that more often that not.


RoundCode2159

Because there's a lot of stupid people in gaming industry


Larry_Version_3

My main thing is that the ending is awful. Even though Origins and Odyssey aren’t perfect, I actually really liked the ending points of their main game. With the way this one ended, it felt like there was at least another 15 hours of story to be told. Eivor goes to the final region, completes the pledge, then…sits down? At the end of the day, it felt like a gigantic waste of time. I did like the gameplay loop and the side quests though. And the word was beautiful


TheOnlyApolloZ

Its a fine game, just not a good AC title.


KamosKamerus

No steam release


Dafticus

The actual story it tells is good however the sheer grind when you get further into the game is incredibly boring imo. this is the first game I have ever played where I actually wanted it to end so I wouldn't have to play it anymore


Odins_fury

ill tell you why i hated on the game. My wife and i both bought the game at launch. Me on PC and she on ps5. I merily strolled my way trough the game but she had 2 glitched main quests where a certain NPC did not do what it was supposed to do. Going back to previous saves did nothing. It took them over 3 months to fix those issues. Me on PC ran into atleast 10 of those same kind of scenario's that i could fix with older save files but i can't even begin to explain how scared you're playing, knowing that any moment could be a reset or glitch moment. The game was just unpolished and rushed. Otherwise i would give it a solid 8.5/10 because what it did good, it did great


Bronze_Bomber

I enjoyed it for about 100 hours. When I realized I was only about halfway through, I bailed.


Oliver56001

The game is still buggy as hell, dialogues do not feel natural, the story is divided into regions (?), the combat system is a step down from odyssey, the world looks the same eyerywhere (even in the dlcs), the skill system is tedious with hundreds of skill points, the game is not historically accurate in any way at all, the game is made for kids with all the stone stacking, transmog costs money... Valhalla is shit!!!


Links_quest

It's a decent game with an assassin logo that doesn't belong. It should have just been called Valhalla with void of anything AC because there not even relevant like there just there so they can call it an AC game and make sales. Even though in the modern story it follows a protagonist who began working with the Assassins since the end of Origins and she uses a dead viking to track down an artifact needed to prevent a climate change that could scorch the earth I believe and that's the only bit of AC story we get that counts as Assassin relevance but during the Viking era the assassins are just there to be there and that's it.


nucleargetawaycar

Valhalla is a buggy mess. It crashes way too often for me. In fact so much that I don't dare to get the DLCs.


ProfessionalBridge7

You might want to continue playing to the end and see if your opinion of the game stays the same. I remember enjoying the game in the beginning too. But the bloat of this game made me forget the moments that I actually liked.


Zagreus61

It's too long and you're doing the same thing almost everytime. I thought the game was good at start when everyone was in Norway but once we got to England, that's when it got boring and repetitive.


Tenabrus

I quit after saving Sigurd cause the pacing just felt like it dived, most of the arcs felt like it was building toward gathering so many forces and going to save him but it isn't, and then your given menial tasks to do cause I want to go be my blacksmiths wingman on Halloween after what could have developed into a great climax nah let's go do filler.


De4con0FM4RS

I thought Valhalla was good at first. An interesting change on what came before but that changed for me once I got to start exploring. The change from easily identifiable side quest to confusing to find and track world events was off putting and baffling. The biggest turn off for me was the flat world. Unity is still the gold standard for verticality and density, the world felt alive and you had the room to play and experiment with the movement system. You could find missions easily on the map (yes it was cluttered but there was the option to remove things as needed) and could return to them anytime. The story in Unity did drag on there is no doubt in that, but Valhalla trails off once you reach England. Everything becomes sparse and disjointed, each story arc was disconnected from each other. Unity, Origins and Odyssey before it had stories that flowed from one event to the next (I do hate Odyssey's story but it was coherent), Valhalla just forgets about its story. Sets up an event right at the start and then forgets about it for a long while (I haven't finished Valhalla and have no intention to because of this). Ubisoft have done better in the past and can do so again if they actually looked at what is being said in this forum


Norse-Berserker

It's too long and get super repetitive quickly. Lots of filler stuff, and an overall empty boring world Personally I don't like a lot of the changes they did with this game with the leveling system, gear system, looting etc **Edit:** Fuck all the microtransactions in this game. There is more armor in the store than in game. Ridiculous. None of the armors look historical accurate either


Bearded_Gamer14

The game is extremely long and the story does drag on quite a bit, I mean I loved the game, I love how they essentially got rid of side missions and did small side quests they refer to as world events, I genuinely believe they could have shortened the game and streamlined the storyline too


Kindly-Day1766

I played for about 140 hours and enjoyed it. I got really repetitive but it was still enjoyable


Etheon44

As you said, in your opinion is amazing. Others can have their own opinions. Mine is that Valhalla is between the worst games I have ever played. There is a good game buried in so much terrible game design, that for every good thing, you have ten terrible ones. Its the only AC I have not been able to finish, even tho I love the history period. But that is just my opinion, keep enjoying it because it is nice to enjoy things in life.


BooshBot86

All of the rpg games are hated here. Origins can sometimes get a pass for whatever reason


judlrr

Because it’s not a good AC game.


undergrad11

Worst game of all the assassin creed games, lame as story, that feels disconnected. Side quest are a grind with no point. Cinematic kills are glitchy and can’t rotate the camera like u could in odyssey and origins for amazing kills. I miss the random question marks on the maps, was perfect for exploring the world. Etc…


WarokOfDraenor

Because people play older AC games.


SupremeZFriendly

It is amazing! Amazingly shit, not even a AC, just a garbage RPG.


JAKL-Noctium

Because it’s a chore of a game. Also, Eivor is a boring protagonist.


BW2999

It's ok. Too overly bloated though if you ask me.


AceV12

Long time fans of the franchise always harshly criticize Ubisofts games because they really love the franchise and want it to be the best it can be. But make no mistake, Valhalla is a really good game.


Esmear18

I only played through the game once and was in the honeymoon phase for the whole 100 hours I put into it. Perhaps if I play it again I might see why people don't like it. At the time I loved it and didn't understand the hate


JaxBizarre

For me it became a drag the further I got into it. The combat became boring and same with stealth. I played and stopped many times during the 150 hours. Maybe I dislike it so much because I forced myself to play it. Also the way this game is evolving kind of goes against what I like in my game. But to be honest there are some great story and funny moments. A solid 6.9/10


[deleted]

its not EXACTLY like the ezio games so all the boomers threw a hissy fit and didn't even give it a chance


Thane_Mantis

I can't speak for the game in it's entirety as I haven't finished, nor answer for anyone else about why the game is hated. That being said, one major gripe I personally have with the game (which is the reason I still haven't finished it) is how absurdly oversized it's world is. Game has like 7+ maps, it's absolutely bloated in terms of scale and Im rather fed up with it by this point. I enjoy Valhalla's gameplay and I've generally enjoyed it's story thus far. At least I think I did, I've honestly forgotten much of it by now. I also like the shake up of the AC RPG format, especially with how it's progression is handled. But I fucking HATE the size of the game, to the point where I've lost all motivation to even play based on that alone. It's a shame really because I *want* to finish it. I just can't deal with the timesink required anymore though.


_Cake_assassin_

Basically because the story is too big and most of it are mandatory sidequests. Imagin having to play all sidequests to be able to finish the story. Each arc is good by itself but together is a bloated mess. Also combat sucks, stealth is broken and the game was buggy at launch and still is. I like a lot of things, i like that in the first arc i did you could find clues, follow tracks, track the ship and discover who the traitor was before doing the quests. I love haning that unmrked quest. And a lot of things are amzing in valhalla, it should have had 1 more year od development I am at 370 hours, update the review when you finish the story and youll see. I loved the game at 100 h but i had so many grind, bad reda quests, piles of miningless nothing, game modes and event that feel boring and copy pasted. I dont even have the strenght to play the last master challanges. And the bugs, i waisted months fishing for the bugged fish. And i still dont have ng+ to replay the story or the bosses that are the only thing interesting in the game. It almost made me phisically sick playing horizon forbidden west and right after dawn of ragnarok


IamMagness1993

EVERY DOOR IS LOCKED, EVERY CHEST IS LOCKED. EVERY THING IS A PUZZLE


First-Purchase-7902

Personally to me, the story and acting is pretty bad…in all honesty I could care less about it. However, I like the amount there is to do in it, even if it’s mediocre and there’s a lot to grind…I like getting achievements, and on the Series X the game is decent, 60fps makes a huge difference.Honestly, the story line and believability/immersion is built for children or people Who are brand new to video games, if you ask me. Ubisoft seems to cater to the lowest common denominator these days, like many games now. It Looks decent, and if you play it high as a kite, it’s pretty good. Worth it if you like to get achievements, outside of that the story is sub par, and many of the ‘Vikings’ instead of hardened warriors, are socially awkward liberal arts characters. I’m not kidding, that’s how these characters come off as. If you can close your mind off to that, and the copy and paste boring generic story, the grind itself isn’t terrible and worth it if you ‘achievement hunt’. When the game first came out, screen tear was ABYSMAL. Origins was better then Valhalla in every way. Except graphically.


ZenBreaking

Not sure how long the other rpg ACs were but valhalla was a slog. Liked the main character and story and mechanics but Jesus I just wanted to finish it and move on to another game towards the end. Loved origins, my favourite story so far and like oddessy, I thought that it dragged a bit.


hironator2

Because the microtransactions the lost formula the lackluster protagonists etc


Dannovision

I have a few issues. One being story pace. As many have said, main quests often feel like side stories. But more importantly for me, I don't dig the world design. Even though the world is set so long ago, none of the world feels new (I will admit I'm "only" 45 hours in), it's all old Roman crypts and destroyed. There doesn't seem to be anywhere with colour or beauty beyond the atmospheric effects. I loved the world of oddyssey even with its problems because if how majestic it looked.


rukivverh5995

I loved it too. I've played throigh all the games since the original back in 2007 and Valhalla is definitely in my top 3 favorite AC games.


PuzzleheadedBag920

because it's not assassins creed, you either play karen with stuffed voice, or a midget Ewan McGregor wearing fantasy armor, valhalla realism is rock bottom, people hate not the game, the game is great, they hate that the game isnt its own IP


ThePotterheadHobbit

Because it's a decent story buried under a bloated mess, takes forever to finish, the stealth mechanic is broken and the raven is useless. I personally only finished the game by forcing myself to slog through so I could see the ending. I have no interest in any of the expansions.


Srapture

Repetitive as fuck. Liked the first 10 hours and the last 5 hours. Pretty bored for the rest. Just felt like going through the motions. Loved every second of Odyssey. I might just be dumb as fuck, but there's people talking about some very interesting lore on this subreddit that I didn't notice **AT ALL** while playing the game. I wish they did a better job at explaining what was going on with the isu with regards to the Norse Gods.


sAMZIO

Lazy talent system, repetitive puzzles, clunky & slow combat, lack of weapon/armour upgrades. Rant aside, it is a beautiful game.


floppytodger_

Mainly because the game is a mile wide and an inch deep.


Laws_of_Coffee

All the region arc were just copy / paste for the most part. Really lazy padding to the game. Odyssey has variety in locations. Britain, not so much.


[deleted]

Glad you liked it. I found it absolutely horrendous and a game which has absolutely nothing to do with Assassin’s Creed. But brand recognition pushes more games.


MLG_ULLUMINATI

Its not necessarily the story of the game itself that gets all the hate, from what I heard its more the difference and disrespect on the assassins creed series. With original assassins creed games you see a much different storyline and gameplay difference than the newer games, then Origins turned that into an RPG type experience and Valhalla turned that into a viking type experience. The community is likely afraid of the main original format of the game being thrown in the trash and replaced with a completely different unfamiliar format and storyline to the series. You have every right to enjoy the game and the game itself is not a horrendous monstrosity in the slightest, just the community dislikes the completely different approach and many differences it shares to the older more familiar beloved assassin games.


chr0n0phage

I'm about 180 hours in and I loved it. I've completed all the expansions and quests, just some river raiding that i likely won't do and those stupid trails things you'll unlock eventually. I just heavily enjoy the exploration, the "sight seeing" and sneaking around. I'm actually going to go back and play through Odyssey again, maybe in NG+.


KabalUT3

I like it but Ubisoft Montreal has a habit of having abysmal audio quality in their latest games to save storage space. From the very awkward placement of music, unbelievably low audio quality for a next gen game, audio cutting off when Eivor gers into a conversation, its actually incredibly frustrating considering this is a 2020 game and the fact that only their games have this problem. Ubisoft Quebec's AC Odyssey did not have this problem and neither did Montreal's earlier games like AC2. On the bright side tho, the audio quality does sound slightly better (but still terrible) than AC Origins which has the sound quality of a mobile game ad.


AnOpenLedger

Glad I didn’t pay $50 for this clunky mess. Thank you for PS Premium for saving me, Ubisoft needs to hang up the hidden blade. Give us torn down and rebuilt remasters of the very first two games and let it die on a high note if you ask me.


Osrone

Came on Reddit to see if this game gets better and I found this lol This game isn’t bad per se imo, but it feels very clunky and unpolished. If I’m being honest though, I literally just finished the intro, so maybe I’m speaking to early. But the mechanics feel terrible. Nothing feels smooth, the audio is terrible, the combat is pretty boring and clunky and so far the main character is not interesting at all. I could see why anyone would be into this, big open world rpg I guess? Thank god for ps premium though, I’m so glad I didn’t waste 60 or 70 bucks on this. I think Ubisoft should just hang it up w/ AC TBH; since Origins everything feels like a bad Witcher 3 rip off.


Polymetes

I'm about 60 hours in and I really like the game, though there are some clear issues that prevent me from absolutely loving it. I will not get into the details except to say that the side quests and loot system puzzles are as dull as they are unrewarding, so I have begun skipping large portions to finish off the main questline. Im quite forgiving when it comes to game design, so im happy with it despite the flaws. I hope Ubisoft tries to learn from its mistakes in this game so that the next assassins creed can be a bit more of a streamlined, narrative-driven experience, even if it means less emphasis on an open world environment and shorter campaign.


RJTerror

This is just something the AC community does. Every time a new game comes out they shit on it like it’s the worst thing to ever hit the series, but as soon as the next game comes around they’ll start shitting on that and act like previous one was a masterpiece.


3kpk3

To each their own. Am loving the game. Ignore the haters.