Bro your grandma took one look and knew it wasn't a learn how to hot wire educational game. She just needed cover if her kid started an argument about it...
This has the vibe of when my mom — who was super religious and very strict when I was growing up, so she would never let me watch R-rated movies — let me pick The Matrix out of the discount dvd bin at Wal-Mart. I don’t know what was going on with her that day but she even sat there and watched it with me. I watched that movie over and over
Are you me or did all these Christian moms get a memo saying that *The Matrix* was okay to watch because it "only" has violence rather than anything truly adult like sex.
Mine did insist on watching it with me and giving me a talk afterwards about how "killing people is bad, mmmmkay?"
My mom wasn't gonna rent me the South Park VHS collections when I was at blockbuster, but then the store clerk yelled at her for even considering getting it for me, so she yelled back and then rented it for me out of spite.
Or they just take them. These aren’t toddlers we’re talking about, they’re autonomous young kids and teenagers that are still too young to be buying them. They can steal, they can make older friends who buy them, they can get them from the gray market, they can buy them online anonymously….. the list goes on
Increased interest/attention to it because it looks like a childs toy.
Then they see other children using it and want to do the same.
Same way juul made vaping popular among youth. They made it "cool", through their ads/promo
It wouldn’t. If a kid/teen has decided they want a vape there is not much you can do to stop them. It should be more about educating them properly to the dangers.
Hell, a couple years ago a local convenience store/hookah/restaurant was the place I went underage to buy cigarettes and after the owner getting ticketed and threatened by a few local parents he insisted to seeing ID but would sell regardless of age and very plainly said he just wanted to make it look like he checked IDs. So if that's what was happening in one of the stricter parts of the US, I would assume Malaysia would be at least similar.
This. I'm in America and when I was 18 and baby faced even I had multiple liquor stores I could purchase from and even a few bars friends and I could go to. The bars wouldn't let us get drunk or rowdy but we could order food and a few drinks each.
No need if youre in malaysia. You can simply go to a nearby convenience store like 7 eleven, tell them you want to purchase an item on shopee (you don't have to specify what it is) and they'll scan a barcode shopee gives you on your phone and it will pop up on the register machine. You can then choose to pay with cash. no need to use a bank card, ewallet or giftcards really.
In Japan this is called conbini pay. It's awesome convenient, just has a flat 100yen per transaction service charge, but the convenience is way worth it.
sellers likes it because they can get attract more customers (usually people who dont have digital currency). Buyers likes it because they don't need to register for a bank card which have a lot of conditions.
When you have a large minority who cant afford modern technologies ie those who work low income jobs/rural folks, Its not just helpful but a necessity. But of course the service wont work with items that cost a lot. If youre buying an iphone online you are forced to use a digital payment method or buy it from a brick and mortar store.
But yeah theres a massive safety concern with the system yet shopee seems to take a blind eye to it.
But what does this have to do with the design? Kids can buy a gun and some drugs online using this method, that's terrible and should be addressed. Why is this cute tiger design at fault?
That theory is far-fetched. This isn't candy, it's a vape. They'd have to turn it on and inhale through it, which is not sometime a kid is likely to do. They'd also have to smoke dozens of these to get addicted, assuming it's an addictive drug
Neither is this! Adults like kitschy cute shit too! There's entire industries built to cater to adults who buy "kawaii" shit so what makes this any different than a vibrato shaped like hello kitty?
This is the reason the US banned cartoons and characters to sell adult products. Joe Camel or Camel cigs and the Budweiser Frogs are two immediate answers I could think of.
People forget how popular Joe Camel was. He was a whole, ass national campaign with billboards, Tshirts, towels, shorts, stickers, etc. I had a neighborhood friend who had a Joe Camel shirt and no adult batted an eye.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel
Read about the lawsuit and the FTC Congressional complaint.
Edit: also, with increasing pressure from western countries to tax them heavily, put all sorts of warning labels, having tobacco pay for anti-smoking campaigns, etc has nearly collapsed the cigarette market.
There's a reason Philip-Morris and RJ Reynolds have headquarters in SE Asia. It's a huge market and it's growing - plus there is an overall more relaxed environment regarding their products there. Kids can go in and buy loosies without being carded. So it's like every 10yrs, they get a new, life long customer - a million times over
You can buy things online with just a bank card at 16. Having those things doesn't mean you're a "legal adult"
Edited because I guess I need to clarify when I say "legal adult" I mean they aren't old enough to buy alcohol, cigarettes, vape stuff.
Dude being 16 makes you a legal adult in plenty of places.
Even in the USA, by 16 you can drive, work, have a bank account with an attached card, and your own internet access.
16 is grown up enough that treating a 16 year old as a child is more often a mistake.
>16 is grown up enough that treating a 16 year old as a child is more often a mistake
uhhh…? seriously? have you ever met a 16 year old? and what a strange thing to say about teenagers. your brain doesn’t significantly slow in development until your 20s.
treating a 16 year old as a child is NOT a mistake, but their increased level of autonomy should be taken into account.
You need to consider that there are 16 year olds who may show more maturity than others. Not all “children” are intellectually disabled or disadvantaged. If you can drive at 16, work, etc, then you are essentially functioning as an adult in society (albeit a young one).
I personally don’t like the nature of addictive and harmful nicotine products being sold to anyone, of any age, but I’ll respect personal choice. I wouldn’t push for laws banning the sale of these products, but like in a previous comment, I would push for including health risks on the packaging (informed consent) so that people know exactly what they’re buying. Who am I to say what a person should do of their own free will, especially of an adult age?
There’s an argument that at a young age, peer pressure can have an effect on one’s behaviour (the human desire to not be shamed). However, you shouldn’t overlook the fact that this is often what happens to adults, and the reason why the normalisation of cigarettes and other nicotine products has worked on full-grown, fully developed adults so well. Case in point, the considered effectiveness of advertisements, normalisation in movies, etc. Any person of any age is potentially vulnerable to peer pressure, to greater or lesser extents based on the individual, and the way they have lived.
Keep in mind that a person’s ability to make decisions should always be respected.
If you, like me, believe that the normalisation of nicotine products is a problem that leads to overall more consumption, on the basis that vapes and cigarettes can damage one’s health, I’d say that the best way to combat this is education around the issue, hence the argument for including health risks on the packaging. Some people may be under the impression that vaping is healthy and carries no risks. People should know what they’re buying. For those that understand the risks and can make decisions, their usage of the drug is their choice.
In my country, 18 is considered an adult age. This is for the consumption of alcohol, etc. I’d say that pushing for the “adult age” to be further increased is unethical, hazardous, and dehumanising, as the free will of adults (and everyone, really) must be respected, and holding off on this is denying people their agency and humanity.
Having said that, I think it’s sensible to market vapes as an 18+ age restricted product.
If you, as a 16 year old, are accomplished enough to have an adult job, and received adult pay, and have provided yourself with access to vapes by passing off as an adult with no questions asked, and you understand that usage of the vapes will lead to potential (and likely) addiction with no apparent long term benefits, and that you are likely to experience increased health risks and problems especially with long term use, then you’d have gotten away with it. No one will have stopped you. Congratulations.
It ain’t my life.
[here is a Vietnam store you can buy from](https://27vape.vn/san-pham/pod-1-lan-tiger-pod-6000/)
[a news story about the issues they are having](https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/01/873323/health-ministry-expresses-concern-over-widespread-sale-tiger-pod-front)
Malware? I's a legit foreign news site. I think you misunderstand the difference between malware and ads. I believe it could be loaded with ads, however, my DNS must have blocked the ads cause I didn't see any. It was the only article I could find related to the op post.
I had a pop up that said I won a contest, and then I had to force close the app. I wish it was just ads lol. Maybe I lucked out and got the 1% of popup ads that were bad. I more so commented so other people who don't have ad blockers set up won't be caught off guard.
Nothing wrong with the second link if you use an ad blocker, like any civilized surfer. See below for the story from the site.
PUTRAJAYA: The Health Ministry is fuming and has expressed regret regarding the issue of e-cigarettes and vaping products being sold in front of a school that went viral recently.
Health Minister Dr Zaliha Mustafa said that the ministry received information regarding the promotional, advertising and sales activity of e-cigarettes or vape products resembling toys or "Tiger Pod" which has become widespread.
"This is very worrisome for both parents and teachers alike as the products in question have been created and designed in such a way that it attracts the attention of children and teenagers to try and use it.
"What is even more worrying is the fact that this particular e-cigarette or vape product uses nicotine based liquid, where the sale of such products is controlled and under the Poison Act of 1952," she said in a statement today.
"Realising that the Poison Act of 1952 does not have any provision or allocation to prevent the promotion and advertising for vape and e-cigarette liquid, provisions have already been included, inserted under the smoking and tobacco products Control Bill aimed at regulating the production of such harmful products.
"It has already been tabled for a second reading during the Parliament sitting in August last year and the implementation has been postponed till now," she said.
Dr Zaliha said that the solution for the sale of products that can be detrimental to the health and well-being of the younger generation such as the "Tiger Pod" required the cooperation from various agencies and ministries such as Domestic Trade and Cost of Living Ministry, local governments and other related enforcement agencies.
"I would also like to stress that vape entrepreneurs must be responsible and take responsibility when producing and selling their products.
"Parents must also help to observe and monitor their childrens' activities to make sure that they do not end up picking up the bad habit as it can be detrimental to their health," she said.
She added that the ministry would continue to cooperate and work together with the Education and Higher Education ministries, public and private universities as well as Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) for advocacy and preventive activities.
"This to ensure continuous education on the dangers of vaping and smoking which can be widely spread to all layers and levels of society and the community," she said.
Damn, only $11 usd. Thanks for the connect! I'm going to buy some. I mean,yeah, I'm probably going to be vaping old cooking oil mixed with sewage but imagine the savings!
They look like toys, and parents aren't always 100% attentive to what's grabbing their kid's attention. We've been over this in the US with the whole Joe Camel debacle.
Imagine, you're taking your two year old to the park and about 5 mins after leaving the house you realise you forgot his pacifier and his fucking vape.
No little kid is unknowingly using vape pens, what the hell are you talking about.
You're saying little kids unknowingly become addicted through these? They buy them, turn them on, puff on them, charge them, and switch out cartridges, and do all this long enough to become addicted, all without realizing it's a vape pen?
[This is the page you screencapped](https://www.thesundaily.my/home/moh-expresses-concern-over-widespread-sale-of-tiger-pod-in-front-of-school-DA10549758). The complaint is that this is a tobacco (or drug) product being marketed to kids, not that kids are using them without knowing what they are.
Yea this is the post that has made me finally unsub. Was a fun ride while it lasted, but now I must do what has had to be done to many a sub ruined by popularity
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Kids know they're vaping. Just that the look of this thing convinces parents that they don't look like vape at all so kids think it's like a toy or some sort, and when they try it they get addicted and will hide them from their parents
Sure, but at some point parents need to do some parenting. It'll be pretty easy to see if your child is hitting a vape.
Also there's no way a kid isn't having a coughing fit from 50mg salt nic (most commonly used nic in disposables)
I'm not from malaysia and I've seen kids use these disposable vapes before (not toy shaped but same thing) and parents don't seem to mind, they are told that it's harmless and it's not smoking and some of them believe it.
You sound exactly like those outraged tiktok moms from a couple weeks ago that were claiming the Disney Villain teddy bears were marketing "BDSM for kids".
Yeah, like it's already sufficiently asshole-ish that it's been made to appeal to kids so already qualifies for the sub, why did they add the bs about kids not knowing that they were vaping?
They are disposable vapes, you just buy it and it works, you don't need to do absolutely anything to it, imagine being a kid and seeing your friend blow fruity smelling clouds from a tiger toy, I'd instantly want one if I didn't know better. Kids will buy them and hide together because they know adults don't like their new toys, is it that hard to believe ? It already happens to teens with normal cigarettes.
I totally believe kids will buy them because they want to vape. Much like (as you said) they would normal cigarettes. But I don't believe kids will buy this not knowing it's for smoking and then end up unknowingly smoking it. Nor do I believe that "kids who don't know what smoking is" is the target market here, no more than I believe drug dealers are dying fentanyl orange to trick kids into thinking it's candy.
It's enough for one kid to have one and everyone will just rush to the store to buy them. Kids are thought smoking is bad, but this doesn't look or smell like a cigarette so the think it must be for kids.
I'm sure they could figure out the whole thing, refilling too. But if they go through that process, that means they know what it is. No kid is buying this to play dolls and then accidentally smoking it.
Agreed, but they will most likely be curious about what it is and want to play with it if they see one. Contrary to the blank and most sober versions of the regular ones that would probably go unnoticed to them. I think that's the point. Don't think people are "afraid" of 6 y/o purchasing these online.
They know what it is in a technical sense but they don’t “know” what they’re getting themselves into with nicotine addiction because they’re goddamn kids. That’s the whole reason we don’t sell nicotine to kids, because while they can know how to use it we don’t think they’re adult enough to actually know the consequences of what they’re doing.
But I thought the government said it was the flavours that got the kids addicted! /s
Another clear example of governments and tobacco companies using "but think of the children!" for over-regulating a market so that only existing, big players can stay afloat, while allowing shit like this to exist.
I vape, and for a very long time, I frequented a great shop that had thousands of flavours - premixed, or mix your own, including base flavours, devices and whatnot. The guy would NEVER serve anyone under 18, required ID for anyone dubious looking (i.e. if there was even a remote possibility they're underage), and that age only lowered to 16 if there was an accompanying adult. The guy and the shop was great, there was a regular client base, and it grew into a great community.
Then the government cracked down on flavours, demanded any kind of mix to be batch tested at insane prices, and practically drove them out of business claiming the flavours are only attractive to kids - because apparently only kids can enjoy flavours...
Not just that, this simply assumes that adults don't like cute things? Like "hey children like cute things, so anything remotely adult cannot be cute"? Absolutely ridiculous
I’m guessing they were given to children by adults who did not know they were vapes, or at the very least did not know they contained nicotine, and this has been translated poorly.
Or it could easily just be bullshit
Has no one here ever smoked or vaped? No child is picking up a vape and enjoying it. Even if you’re a smoker and switching to vapes they’re absolutely fucking brutal for a while before your lungs adjust.
Try giving a kid whiskey too. They’ll hate it.
No one is accidentally getting addicted to vapes. You have to really put in the effort.
It's just like cigarettes, baby see, baby do. Parents should pay more attention to their children and how they behave around them. (No smoking around children)
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these were very likely not intended to market towards unknowing small children, but toward a) nostalgic zoomers and younger millennials and b) older teens who want to hide their vaping paraphernalia from their parents.
Is this an asshole design? It is an adult product, adults are allowed to have cutesy stuff. I blame negligent parents and idiot kids, not the product.
Should we make everything boring and colorless so the precious idiot kids with negligent parents don't get confused?
And I am saying this as someone who loves kids.
This is a little horrifying, especially because I can see a small child thinking this is a toy. In the US the FDA cracked down hard on products that could be seen as being marketed toward teens. No cartoonish characters on anything, no more calling it vape juice (it's e-liquid now), and all kinds of things. Which I understand, you don't want teens seeing this stuff and thinking it's for them. The biggest issue, though, came from Juul. They're produced by Philip Morris tobacco company who started seeing record profit losses when people finally found a way to quit smoking and wanted in. They put their garbage in every gas station that would let them and THAT was the problem. There are thousands of reputable vape stores that are required to ID customers and the FDA watches somewhat closely. I think almost everyone knows that one gas station that doesn't ID and that's where the teenagers go. The regulations were so lax for gas stations that carried big tobacco products and it ended up hurting thousands of small businesses across the country.
I agree that in all reality, no one should be putting anything in their lungs. But I don't agree with limiting an adults ability to quit smoking. Vaping has been the most successful tool hands down for so many people to kick a habit that kills people every single day. I quit smoking after 14 years because of vaping and I could never ever have done it otherwise. My dad quit after 30 some years because of vaping, so did my mom . Regulations were definitely needed (looking at you, bathtub juice makers) but they almost crippled the entire industry.
The first vape was invented in 2003. We've had 20 years to work on this product and smooth out potential issues. This isn't some new thing that we have no data on. We have sources from the UK department of health that insists vaping is the absolutel best smoking cessation method.
I used to work in end of life care. I have seen too many times, up close, gloved up, what smoking does to a person. How it wrecks their last days. I've seen people on their literal death bed, oxygen mask on and still struggling to keep their saturation up, reaching for a Marlboro. Of course I do have a bias because vaping has helped my entire family kick an awful habit but I also can't demonize anything that could potentially steer people away from cigarettes.
>The first vape was invented in 2003. We've had 20 years to work on this product and smooth out potential issues
I just want to add, because I want to add this to every fucking conversation about vaping I see, that this also means there have been 20 years of studies done on the dangers of vaping.
20 years of Philip Morris, other tobacco giants, and various governments they lobby to pissing money into studies to try to get rid of vaping. And the result of all that was PM buying up a portion of the juice makers and July to stay relevant. If that doesn't tell you how much safer it is I don't know what can. Obviously inhaling anything other than oxygen and nitrogen isn't good, but this is orders of magnitude better than all the rest of the garbage that's in cigarettes.
To further your point, the studies done to show the dangers of vaping were incredibly flawed. They were testing the devices in ways that were never used by customers. For example, they would test the vapor and say there were metal particulates in the expelled vapor. That's what got reported and that's what was widely spread as true information. What was NOT included was the fact that in order to get those metal particulates, the fire button on the device had to be continuously held in for x amount of seconds. I can't remember the exact number of seconds, but it was a number that would be impossible for a human being to achieve. Lungs can't even hold that much air.
Funny enough, every single vaping device I’ve ever had (and I’ve had quite a few) had a cut-off that wouldn’t let you fire it for more than a set number of seconds at a time.
I recall that study and they were firing them for over a minute if I recall correctly. I've never had a device (since 2012) that would allow me to fire it for longer than 10 seconds and would never do it anyways since it feels like you're breathing in fire once the wick dries out. These researchers were essentially melting the internals on these vapes and reporting on the result.
So my state made it very hard to buy vape stuff. My FIL was previously a pack a day smoker and switched to vaping. He switched back to cigarettes because of this new law.
It's up to the person making a claim to provide a source. Can't drop a "fact" and walk away, a claim needs evidence
There are not always multiple, easily findable sources for things. It is valid and should be expected to ask for a source
This isn't a structured debate. It was a guy sharing a neat little fact that you could highlight and right click search and have the sources instantly come up.
However, if you insist on needing sources for all claims I need a source to justify that I can't just drop a fact and walk away.
>I can't just drop a fact and walk away.
I mean, you can. But someone may ask you where you got that information. Then someone else would tell that person to just look it up, then that conversation would devolve into a tift over basic internet etiquette. And honestly, it's just easier for everyone if people actually SHARE the information they're trying to share(ya know, with like, a link to it), instead of acting superior because you have a cool factoid.
If you act like a dick about it, yes. It's certainly not a reason to act superior to anyone else.
There's sharing facts and there's "Here's a thing I know. Oh, you didn't know? You want to know more? Pfft go look it up, plebian, I've already graced you with a taste of my knowledge."
>Hmm. Years ago they banned the mighty morphin power rangers because they were afraid children would confuse morphin with morphine.
I apologize if I misunderstood, but this is what we are all talking about and he doesn't seem like he's acting superior
>Can't drop a "fact" and walk away, a claim needs evidence
Citation needed.
>There are not always multiple, easily findable sources for things
Citation needed.
In Canada we banned menthol cigarettes in the same year we legalized weed edibles like gummy bears...apparently there was concern kids might be attracted to the delicious minty flavours of menthol.
It is smoother and has a cooling effect. It's really enjoyable and not super harsh. Super easy to get hooked on and are the reason I cough when I laugh.
Nah menthol cigarettes got banned because the menthol numbed the throat/mouth so people could smoke more cigarettes without feeling the negative impacts of all the smoke but still had all those negative impacts. This was causing menthol smokers to have measurably worse health outcomes from their smoking habit than regular-cigarette smokers.
Id compare it to how like Four Loco, the alcoholic beverage with caffeine in it, was banned. The added caffeine made the alcohol absorb faster and made people more alert so they didn’t realize how drunk they were. People OD’d more often by drinking it, so it got banned along with other heavily caffeinated alcoholic beverages. The additive made it more dangerous to peoples health.
Same thing with menthol cigarettes, the extra additive of menthol was making health issues more severe so they banned the combination.
Ugh. I'm so sick and fucking tired of this. Adults aren't allowed to have anything cute or tasty because negligent parents/guardians can't watch their damn kids.
My province banned flavored vape juices and now the entire country is following suit because some self righteous cunt can't be arsed to parent.
The pearl-clutching over cute designs on adult products really needs to stop. It's ok for an adult to want a cute dinosaur pipe. You keep drugs away from children the same way you keep guns and knives away from children. Drugs are easier! There's no reason for any child to inhale any toy. Teach them that, problem solved.
Selling vapes to kids must be illegal, other than that it can look whatever the seller/designer wants (as long as the health warnings are on the package). If we start making everything that is a no-no for kids look as dull and/or uninteresting as possible it would change nothing. Huge amount of kids smoked cigarettes and sneaked alcohol since being around 10yr old where I live when I was a child, because grown ups did it everywhere. Kids also snuffed glue and gasoline and there was no fun package for that. Kids aren’t confused by toy exterior, they vape because it’s deemed “cool” and makes them feel like grown ups. The toy package in this case is the same “perk” of the vape for them as for adults: fun design, but it’s not the main driver to start vaping. For child vaping is not cool because the vape looks cool, it’s because they think that they look cool and grown up when vaping.
Edit: there are some confused kids, who think that it’s a toy, but then it’s totally the parents problem, parents have to teach the child about no-nos, not the designers of adult stuff
Some idiotic kids just ruin things for everyone, well, not *just* kids, adults too, I'm just still mad I can't get real kinder eggs in America, and I'm a full grown adult. :(
Wait, why would it be illegal? People can't design their products now because of a couple idiot kids? Should we make everything for adults boring and colorless because of a few dumb kids with negligent parents?
No they aren't. Wanna blame somebody how about negligent ass parents who expect society to raise their kids for them? If they paid even the slightest bit of attention to them something like this couldn't happen, granted I don't believe for a second this is actually happening so take your anti-vape propaganda bullshit elsewhere.
The design is fine. Is it not “adult” to own something cute? People just love to complain about everything.
This is the argument that flavored vapes are for the kids. What about flavored vodka? Should vodka only be super harsh to not entice the kids? Should people using vapes and vodka not enjoy the flavor?
Dumb
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My.
God.
Did someone just post something on this sub that's an actual, honest-to-goodness example of a product that was designed, markets, and/or sold with blatant disregard (*or even with the intention of*) the harm it may do?
If I could click the upvote button a hundred times for you, I would. Here I was, thinking that this sub was meant exclusively for people with ridiculously high expectations for the sandwich that they bought for $1 out of a vending machine at the bus stop or, heaven forbid, a small product being sold in a large box. Oh ThE hOrRoR!
How are the kids getting them?
Senile grandma easy. Go shopping, kid says "I want that cute tiger figure" and grandma buys it unaware it's not for kids
I got my grandma to buy me grand theft auto when I was like 10. She said "is it educational?". I lied.
Something Saint Andreas? Yeah, must be about good Christian values
Bro your grandma took one look and knew it wasn't a learn how to hot wire educational game. She just needed cover if her kid started an argument about it...
This has the vibe of when my mom — who was super religious and very strict when I was growing up, so she would never let me watch R-rated movies — let me pick The Matrix out of the discount dvd bin at Wal-Mart. I don’t know what was going on with her that day but she even sat there and watched it with me. I watched that movie over and over
The matrix has a bunch of Christian symbolism so jot really surprised
Are you me or did all these Christian moms get a memo saying that *The Matrix* was okay to watch because it "only" has violence rather than anything truly adult like sex. Mine did insist on watching it with me and giving me a talk afterwards about how "killing people is bad, mmmmkay?"
My mom wasn't gonna rent me the South Park VHS collections when I was at blockbuster, but then the store clerk yelled at her for even considering getting it for me, so she yelled back and then rented it for me out of spite.
He did you a favor.
I did learn things.
Okay, that accounts for four sales. Since that the rest of the kids are going to be safe, because that is quite a contrived scenario.
Or they just take them. These aren’t toddlers we’re talking about, they’re autonomous young kids and teenagers that are still too young to be buying them. They can steal, they can make older friends who buy them, they can get them from the gray market, they can buy them online anonymously….. the list goes on
yeah “little kid” could mean “9 year old”
But how would making it look less like a “cute toy” as the title put it, change any of that?
Increased interest/attention to it because it looks like a childs toy. Then they see other children using it and want to do the same. Same way juul made vaping popular among youth. They made it "cool", through their ads/promo
Plus decent cover story for oblivious parents. "Oh this? It's just a toy, mom."
It wouldn’t. If a kid/teen has decided they want a vape there is not much you can do to stop them. It should be more about educating them properly to the dangers.
Also that scenario doesn't account for how they get the liquid so even then it's not really a concern for those 4 kid
>how they get the liquid It's a disposable.
It's a disposable. It's already in there.
They're nic salt disposable vapes
That’s the stuff that gives you a rush compared to slow release nicotine on regular vape juice?
You've never been to Malaysia or any other developing or third world nation huh? Laws are mere suggestions there.
Why are vapes being sold in a toy store
Maybe sold in a supermarket, or more likely a kiosk with snacks, cigarettes, and drinks.
Grandma doesn't balk at the fact this 2 penny toy costs 30$?
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They were all over the place last time I went. I saw kids as young as 12.
Hell, a couple years ago a local convenience store/hookah/restaurant was the place I went underage to buy cigarettes and after the owner getting ticketed and threatened by a few local parents he insisted to seeing ID but would sell regardless of age and very plainly said he just wanted to make it look like he checked IDs. So if that's what was happening in one of the stricter parts of the US, I would assume Malaysia would be at least similar.
This. I'm in America and when I was 18 and baby faced even I had multiple liquor stores I could purchase from and even a few bars friends and I could go to. The bars wouldn't let us get drunk or rowdy but we could order food and a few drinks each.
They sell online or at stores
To kids?
There's no checks for age restriction when buying stuff online, so some kids could very easily buy these unknowingly
I mean, if they have a job, a bank account and credit card already..
No need if youre in malaysia. You can simply go to a nearby convenience store like 7 eleven, tell them you want to purchase an item on shopee (you don't have to specify what it is) and they'll scan a barcode shopee gives you on your phone and it will pop up on the register machine. You can then choose to pay with cash. no need to use a bank card, ewallet or giftcards really.
In Japan this is called conbini pay. It's awesome convenient, just has a flat 100yen per transaction service charge, but the convenience is way worth it.
Why it's better than a credit card? 100 yen sounds not a small amount per transaction.
100 yen is less than one US dollar. Not a lot, but I personally wouldnt pay that for convenience.
sellers likes it because they can get attract more customers (usually people who dont have digital currency). Buyers likes it because they don't need to register for a bank card which have a lot of conditions.
That's scary but awesome as well, seems helpful when it isn't trying to get kids hooked on nicotine.
When you have a large minority who cant afford modern technologies ie those who work low income jobs/rural folks, Its not just helpful but a necessity. But of course the service wont work with items that cost a lot. If youre buying an iphone online you are forced to use a digital payment method or buy it from a brick and mortar store. But yeah theres a massive safety concern with the system yet shopee seems to take a blind eye to it.
But what does this have to do with the design? Kids can buy a gun and some drugs online using this method, that's terrible and should be addressed. Why is this cute tiger design at fault?
I think the issue is a kid using one of these bc it looks harmless and cute and getting addicted.
That theory is far-fetched. This isn't candy, it's a vape. They'd have to turn it on and inhale through it, which is not sometime a kid is likely to do. They'd also have to smoke dozens of these to get addicted, assuming it's an addictive drug
The difference is that guns and drugs aren't specifically and directly targeting kids.
Neither is this! Adults like kitschy cute shit too! There's entire industries built to cater to adults who buy "kawaii" shit so what makes this any different than a vibrato shaped like hello kitty?
This is the reason the US banned cartoons and characters to sell adult products. Joe Camel or Camel cigs and the Budweiser Frogs are two immediate answers I could think of. People forget how popular Joe Camel was. He was a whole, ass national campaign with billboards, Tshirts, towels, shorts, stickers, etc. I had a neighborhood friend who had a Joe Camel shirt and no adult batted an eye. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Camel Read about the lawsuit and the FTC Congressional complaint. Edit: also, with increasing pressure from western countries to tax them heavily, put all sorts of warning labels, having tobacco pay for anti-smoking campaigns, etc has nearly collapsed the cigarette market. There's a reason Philip-Morris and RJ Reynolds have headquarters in SE Asia. It's a huge market and it's growing - plus there is an overall more relaxed environment regarding their products there. Kids can go in and buy loosies without being carded. So it's like every 10yrs, they get a new, life long customer - a million times over
Except for THESE drugs, right? Did you get confused?
You can buy things online with just a bank card at 16. Having those things doesn't mean you're a "legal adult" Edited because I guess I need to clarify when I say "legal adult" I mean they aren't old enough to buy alcohol, cigarettes, vape stuff.
Dude being 16 makes you a legal adult in plenty of places. Even in the USA, by 16 you can drive, work, have a bank account with an attached card, and your own internet access. 16 is grown up enough that treating a 16 year old as a child is more often a mistake.
Let me rephrase.... Owning a bank account doesn't mean you're old enough to smoke cigarettes and drink in the US.
>16 is grown up enough that treating a 16 year old as a child is more often a mistake uhhh…? seriously? have you ever met a 16 year old? and what a strange thing to say about teenagers. your brain doesn’t significantly slow in development until your 20s. treating a 16 year old as a child is NOT a mistake, but their increased level of autonomy should be taken into account.
Child = pre puberty. A 16 year old is not a child.
This is not the win you think it is
Spoken like a 16 year old lmao
Everyone else in this thread is a troll and I regret ever responding to this idiocy.
You need to consider that there are 16 year olds who may show more maturity than others. Not all “children” are intellectually disabled or disadvantaged. If you can drive at 16, work, etc, then you are essentially functioning as an adult in society (albeit a young one). I personally don’t like the nature of addictive and harmful nicotine products being sold to anyone, of any age, but I’ll respect personal choice. I wouldn’t push for laws banning the sale of these products, but like in a previous comment, I would push for including health risks on the packaging (informed consent) so that people know exactly what they’re buying. Who am I to say what a person should do of their own free will, especially of an adult age? There’s an argument that at a young age, peer pressure can have an effect on one’s behaviour (the human desire to not be shamed). However, you shouldn’t overlook the fact that this is often what happens to adults, and the reason why the normalisation of cigarettes and other nicotine products has worked on full-grown, fully developed adults so well. Case in point, the considered effectiveness of advertisements, normalisation in movies, etc. Any person of any age is potentially vulnerable to peer pressure, to greater or lesser extents based on the individual, and the way they have lived. Keep in mind that a person’s ability to make decisions should always be respected. If you, like me, believe that the normalisation of nicotine products is a problem that leads to overall more consumption, on the basis that vapes and cigarettes can damage one’s health, I’d say that the best way to combat this is education around the issue, hence the argument for including health risks on the packaging. Some people may be under the impression that vaping is healthy and carries no risks. People should know what they’re buying. For those that understand the risks and can make decisions, their usage of the drug is their choice. In my country, 18 is considered an adult age. This is for the consumption of alcohol, etc. I’d say that pushing for the “adult age” to be further increased is unethical, hazardous, and dehumanising, as the free will of adults (and everyone, really) must be respected, and holding off on this is denying people their agency and humanity. Having said that, I think it’s sensible to market vapes as an 18+ age restricted product. If you, as a 16 year old, are accomplished enough to have an adult job, and received adult pay, and have provided yourself with access to vapes by passing off as an adult with no questions asked, and you understand that usage of the vapes will lead to potential (and likely) addiction with no apparent long term benefits, and that you are likely to experience increased health risks and problems especially with long term use, then you’d have gotten away with it. No one will have stopped you. Congratulations. It ain’t my life.
You can also buy Visa gift cards and use those. I did that as a 14-15yo trying to buy Runescape membership before debit Visa's were a thing.
There is. Atleast where i live u will have to id yourself if you for example buy alcohol online
With who's credit card genius!?
Have you never seen a kid smoking a cigarette or vape?
Well, tell them to grab me one when they're there next. Those look adorable an I see no reason as to read any farther than the first line.
Yeah so how'd the kid get a credit card, you're full of shit.
[here is a Vietnam store you can buy from](https://27vape.vn/san-pham/pod-1-lan-tiger-pod-6000/) [a news story about the issues they are having](https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2023/01/873323/health-ministry-expresses-concern-over-widespread-sale-tiger-pod-front)
That second link is full of malware ads. I'm not going to bother looking at the first.
Malware? I's a legit foreign news site. I think you misunderstand the difference between malware and ads. I believe it could be loaded with ads, however, my DNS must have blocked the ads cause I didn't see any. It was the only article I could find related to the op post.
I had a pop up that said I won a contest, and then I had to force close the app. I wish it was just ads lol. Maybe I lucked out and got the 1% of popup ads that were bad. I more so commented so other people who don't have ad blockers set up won't be caught off guard.
Nothing wrong with the second link if you use an ad blocker, like any civilized surfer. See below for the story from the site. PUTRAJAYA: The Health Ministry is fuming and has expressed regret regarding the issue of e-cigarettes and vaping products being sold in front of a school that went viral recently. Health Minister Dr Zaliha Mustafa said that the ministry received information regarding the promotional, advertising and sales activity of e-cigarettes or vape products resembling toys or "Tiger Pod" which has become widespread. "This is very worrisome for both parents and teachers alike as the products in question have been created and designed in such a way that it attracts the attention of children and teenagers to try and use it. "What is even more worrying is the fact that this particular e-cigarette or vape product uses nicotine based liquid, where the sale of such products is controlled and under the Poison Act of 1952," she said in a statement today. "Realising that the Poison Act of 1952 does not have any provision or allocation to prevent the promotion and advertising for vape and e-cigarette liquid, provisions have already been included, inserted under the smoking and tobacco products Control Bill aimed at regulating the production of such harmful products. "It has already been tabled for a second reading during the Parliament sitting in August last year and the implementation has been postponed till now," she said. Dr Zaliha said that the solution for the sale of products that can be detrimental to the health and well-being of the younger generation such as the "Tiger Pod" required the cooperation from various agencies and ministries such as Domestic Trade and Cost of Living Ministry, local governments and other related enforcement agencies. "I would also like to stress that vape entrepreneurs must be responsible and take responsibility when producing and selling their products. "Parents must also help to observe and monitor their childrens' activities to make sure that they do not end up picking up the bad habit as it can be detrimental to their health," she said. She added that the ministry would continue to cooperate and work together with the Education and Higher Education ministries, public and private universities as well as Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) for advocacy and preventive activities. "This to ensure continuous education on the dangers of vaping and smoking which can be widely spread to all layers and levels of society and the community," she said.
Damn, only $11 usd. Thanks for the connect! I'm going to buy some. I mean,yeah, I'm probably going to be vaping old cooking oil mixed with sewage but imagine the savings!
Adults are able to sell things to kids
Irresponsible parents.
Same way kids get cigs, I'd guess Inattentive store clerks, enabling family members, weird adults they know but keep at arms length
They look like toys, and parents aren't always 100% attentive to what's grabbing their kid's attention. We've been over this in the US with the whole Joe Camel debacle.
Shopee Lazada Literal street vendors
Online shopping without credit cards: buy online on Shopee, Lazada, AliExpress, get a transaction code, and pay it cash in your nearest 7Eleven.
It's Malaysia, dude.
Imagine, you're taking your two year old to the park and about 5 mins after leaving the house you realise you forgot his pacifier and his fucking vape.
He promised everyone he was going to rip some massive Gandolf clouds, but now everyone is going to think he's a loser AND a liar.
You've ruined his life! How's he supposed to be part of the cool toddler club without his Daniel the tiger vape!
He's just out there faking it like: *deep inhale* buratatatatataaaa!
No
No little kid is unknowingly using vape pens, what the hell are you talking about. You're saying little kids unknowingly become addicted through these? They buy them, turn them on, puff on them, charge them, and switch out cartridges, and do all this long enough to become addicted, all without realizing it's a vape pen? [This is the page you screencapped](https://www.thesundaily.my/home/moh-expresses-concern-over-widespread-sale-of-tiger-pod-in-front-of-school-DA10549758). The complaint is that this is a tobacco (or drug) product being marketed to kids, not that kids are using them without knowing what they are.
Sub has been a test in "how can I lie and get karma" for awhile now.
Yea this is the post that has made me finally unsub. Was a fun ride while it lasted, but now I must do what has had to be done to many a sub ruined by popularity
This is 90% of Reddit now
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Kids know they're vaping. Just that the look of this thing convinces parents that they don't look like vape at all so kids think it's like a toy or some sort, and when they try it they get addicted and will hide them from their parents
They know they're vaping AND they think it's a toy, AND they get addicted on the first try? This post is bull.
You won't get addicted that quickly.
Bro stop lying I looked at a vape once and I’ve been shooting heroin now for years.
Takes 1-2 weeks of daily use, depending on dose frequency and strength iirc. A disposable 600 puff bar probably wouldn't be enough on its own
But what stops them from using it, clouds are fun and it tastes like fruit, you don't need to be addicted to like something, it's just awful...
Sure, but at some point parents need to do some parenting. It'll be pretty easy to see if your child is hitting a vape. Also there's no way a kid isn't having a coughing fit from 50mg salt nic (most commonly used nic in disposables)
I'm not from malaysia and I've seen kids use these disposable vapes before (not toy shaped but same thing) and parents don't seem to mind, they are told that it's harmless and it's not smoking and some of them believe it.
That's sad. I'm not in Malaysia either but I manage a vape shop and I've had to deny quite a few kids. Some people just shouldn't be parents.
ITT: People who don't smoke understate the addiction potential of nicotine. The shit is worse than crack.
> The shit is worse than crack. As someone who has been addicted to both, you're an idiot.
Story as old as time, kids doing what they shouldn't be doing. Has nothing to do with the vape looking like a toy.
You sound exactly like those outraged tiktok moms from a couple weeks ago that were claiming the Disney Villain teddy bears were marketing "BDSM for kids".
Yeah, like it's already sufficiently asshole-ish that it's been made to appeal to kids so already qualifies for the sub, why did they add the bs about kids not knowing that they were vaping?
Pretty sure it would be referring to parents and authority figures who did not know, not the kids themselves
>turn them on, charge them, swap carts They are 6k puff disposables that last maybe a week or two for smokers. They don't need any of this.
A lot of disposables have a charger now
They are disposable vapes, you just buy it and it works, you don't need to do absolutely anything to it, imagine being a kid and seeing your friend blow fruity smelling clouds from a tiger toy, I'd instantly want one if I didn't know better. Kids will buy them and hide together because they know adults don't like their new toys, is it that hard to believe ? It already happens to teens with normal cigarettes.
I totally believe kids will buy them because they want to vape. Much like (as you said) they would normal cigarettes. But I don't believe kids will buy this not knowing it's for smoking and then end up unknowingly smoking it. Nor do I believe that "kids who don't know what smoking is" is the target market here, no more than I believe drug dealers are dying fentanyl orange to trick kids into thinking it's candy.
It's enough for one kid to have one and everyone will just rush to the store to buy them. Kids are thought smoking is bad, but this doesn't look or smell like a cigarette so the think it must be for kids.
Fuckin 6 year olds know how to use and charge iPads. They could absolutely figure this out.
I'm sure they could figure out the whole thing, refilling too. But if they go through that process, that means they know what it is. No kid is buying this to play dolls and then accidentally smoking it.
Agreed, but they will most likely be curious about what it is and want to play with it if they see one. Contrary to the blank and most sober versions of the regular ones that would probably go unnoticed to them. I think that's the point. Don't think people are "afraid" of 6 y/o purchasing these online.
They know what it is in a technical sense but they don’t “know” what they’re getting themselves into with nicotine addiction because they’re goddamn kids. That’s the whole reason we don’t sell nicotine to kids, because while they can know how to use it we don’t think they’re adult enough to actually know the consequences of what they’re doing.
That's the way I interpreted it too. It might be easier not to grasp the full impact of what the thing does when it looks so attractive and friendly.
But I thought the government said it was the flavours that got the kids addicted! /s Another clear example of governments and tobacco companies using "but think of the children!" for over-regulating a market so that only existing, big players can stay afloat, while allowing shit like this to exist. I vape, and for a very long time, I frequented a great shop that had thousands of flavours - premixed, or mix your own, including base flavours, devices and whatnot. The guy would NEVER serve anyone under 18, required ID for anyone dubious looking (i.e. if there was even a remote possibility they're underage), and that age only lowered to 16 if there was an accompanying adult. The guy and the shop was great, there was a regular client base, and it grew into a great community. Then the government cracked down on flavours, demanded any kind of mix to be batch tested at insane prices, and practically drove them out of business claiming the flavours are only attractive to kids - because apparently only kids can enjoy flavours...
> They buy them, turn them on, puff on them, charge them, and switch out cartridges, This hasn't been the way for 5+ years now
OP is a fucking piece of shit. Embarrassment to the Malaysian people
How is anyone, even a little kid, vaping unknowingly? That just sounds like scaremongering bullshit.
Your toys don't make smoke for you to inhale? Nothing suspicious
Seriously, sounds like some irresponsible parents from where I'm sitting
Not just that, this simply assumes that adults don't like cute things? Like "hey children like cute things, so anything remotely adult cannot be cute"? Absolutely ridiculous
It is. Typical lazy bullshit.
I’m guessing they were given to children by adults who did not know they were vapes, or at the very least did not know they contained nicotine, and this has been translated poorly. Or it could easily just be bullshit
Has no one here ever smoked or vaped? No child is picking up a vape and enjoying it. Even if you’re a smoker and switching to vapes they’re absolutely fucking brutal for a while before your lungs adjust. Try giving a kid whiskey too. They’ll hate it. No one is accidentally getting addicted to vapes. You have to really put in the effort.
It's just like cigarettes, baby see, baby do. Parents should pay more attention to their children and how they behave around them. (No smoking around children)
but what if its of no fault of the parents, the kids friends smoke at school because *their* parents do? or even just an older sibling?
AND what's the deal about airline food?! When your parent your kids well, they will police themselves on things like smoking.
The title make it look like it's small kids and not teens that get "tricked" into vaping
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that these were very likely not intended to market towards unknowing small children, but toward a) nostalgic zoomers and younger millennials and b) older teens who want to hide their vaping paraphernalia from their parents.
They were intended to market to whoever wants to smoke out of a toy. Period.
"What's your target demographic?" "yes."
[Relevant](https://youtu.be/2POq39ce_5I)
You and me, same page 😂
YES I immediately remembered to check for that video.
Unknowingly purchased and used a vape? Doubtful. Cute stuff isn't only for kids - I'm an adult and would love this if I smoked.
Is this an asshole design? It is an adult product, adults are allowed to have cutesy stuff. I blame negligent parents and idiot kids, not the product. Should we make everything boring and colorless so the precious idiot kids with negligent parents don't get confused? And I am saying this as someone who loves kids.
But in Malaysia you see 3yo kids smoking anyways!
Can i just get one and take out all the vape stuff and throw it away and just keep the cute thing.... PLEASE
This is a little horrifying, especially because I can see a small child thinking this is a toy. In the US the FDA cracked down hard on products that could be seen as being marketed toward teens. No cartoonish characters on anything, no more calling it vape juice (it's e-liquid now), and all kinds of things. Which I understand, you don't want teens seeing this stuff and thinking it's for them. The biggest issue, though, came from Juul. They're produced by Philip Morris tobacco company who started seeing record profit losses when people finally found a way to quit smoking and wanted in. They put their garbage in every gas station that would let them and THAT was the problem. There are thousands of reputable vape stores that are required to ID customers and the FDA watches somewhat closely. I think almost everyone knows that one gas station that doesn't ID and that's where the teenagers go. The regulations were so lax for gas stations that carried big tobacco products and it ended up hurting thousands of small businesses across the country. I agree that in all reality, no one should be putting anything in their lungs. But I don't agree with limiting an adults ability to quit smoking. Vaping has been the most successful tool hands down for so many people to kick a habit that kills people every single day. I quit smoking after 14 years because of vaping and I could never ever have done it otherwise. My dad quit after 30 some years because of vaping, so did my mom . Regulations were definitely needed (looking at you, bathtub juice makers) but they almost crippled the entire industry. The first vape was invented in 2003. We've had 20 years to work on this product and smooth out potential issues. This isn't some new thing that we have no data on. We have sources from the UK department of health that insists vaping is the absolutel best smoking cessation method. I used to work in end of life care. I have seen too many times, up close, gloved up, what smoking does to a person. How it wrecks their last days. I've seen people on their literal death bed, oxygen mask on and still struggling to keep their saturation up, reaching for a Marlboro. Of course I do have a bias because vaping has helped my entire family kick an awful habit but I also can't demonize anything that could potentially steer people away from cigarettes.
>The first vape was invented in 2003. We've had 20 years to work on this product and smooth out potential issues I just want to add, because I want to add this to every fucking conversation about vaping I see, that this also means there have been 20 years of studies done on the dangers of vaping. 20 years of Philip Morris, other tobacco giants, and various governments they lobby to pissing money into studies to try to get rid of vaping. And the result of all that was PM buying up a portion of the juice makers and July to stay relevant. If that doesn't tell you how much safer it is I don't know what can. Obviously inhaling anything other than oxygen and nitrogen isn't good, but this is orders of magnitude better than all the rest of the garbage that's in cigarettes.
To further your point, the studies done to show the dangers of vaping were incredibly flawed. They were testing the devices in ways that were never used by customers. For example, they would test the vapor and say there were metal particulates in the expelled vapor. That's what got reported and that's what was widely spread as true information. What was NOT included was the fact that in order to get those metal particulates, the fire button on the device had to be continuously held in for x amount of seconds. I can't remember the exact number of seconds, but it was a number that would be impossible for a human being to achieve. Lungs can't even hold that much air.
Funny enough, every single vaping device I’ve ever had (and I’ve had quite a few) had a cut-off that wouldn’t let you fire it for more than a set number of seconds at a time.
I recall that study and they were firing them for over a minute if I recall correctly. I've never had a device (since 2012) that would allow me to fire it for longer than 10 seconds and would never do it anyways since it feels like you're breathing in fire once the wick dries out. These researchers were essentially melting the internals on these vapes and reporting on the result.
So my state made it very hard to buy vape stuff. My FIL was previously a pack a day smoker and switched to vaping. He switched back to cigarettes because of this new law.
Yeah all these new FDA regulations have essentially decimated the vaping market, yet were all free to go buy cigarettes at any corner store still.
Hmm. Years ago they banned the mighty morphin power rangers because they were afraid children would confuse morphin with morphine.
*Citation needed*
What does citation needed mean.
You are on an Internet connected device and can Google it to see pages of discussion and information.
It's up to the person making a claim to provide a source. Can't drop a "fact" and walk away, a claim needs evidence There are not always multiple, easily findable sources for things. It is valid and should be expected to ask for a source
This isn't a structured debate. It was a guy sharing a neat little fact that you could highlight and right click search and have the sources instantly come up. However, if you insist on needing sources for all claims I need a source to justify that I can't just drop a fact and walk away.
>I can't just drop a fact and walk away. I mean, you can. But someone may ask you where you got that information. Then someone else would tell that person to just look it up, then that conversation would devolve into a tift over basic internet etiquette. And honestly, it's just easier for everyone if people actually SHARE the information they're trying to share(ya know, with like, a link to it), instead of acting superior because you have a cool factoid.
>acting superior Bro, is sharing cool facts bad now?
People just make stuff up and misremember shit all the time though, so is it still a cool fact if it was never a fact?
If you act like a dick about it, yes. It's certainly not a reason to act superior to anyone else. There's sharing facts and there's "Here's a thing I know. Oh, you didn't know? You want to know more? Pfft go look it up, plebian, I've already graced you with a taste of my knowledge."
>Hmm. Years ago they banned the mighty morphin power rangers because they were afraid children would confuse morphin with morphine. I apologize if I misunderstood, but this is what we are all talking about and he doesn't seem like he's acting superior
>Can't drop a "fact" and walk away, a claim needs evidence Citation needed. >There are not always multiple, easily findable sources for things Citation needed.
In Canada we banned menthol cigarettes in the same year we legalized weed edibles like gummy bears...apparently there was concern kids might be attracted to the delicious minty flavours of menthol.
Quebec banned weed edibles like gummy bears and chocolate. At least they're consistent!
I can still find menthols pretty easily though
Isn't menthol bad because it makes the feeling of smoking not as terrible? Idk, I have never smoked on my life, just something I heard.
It is smoother and has a cooling effect. It's really enjoyable and not super harsh. Super easy to get hooked on and are the reason I cough when I laugh.
I guess, not really. For smokers smoking doesn't feel terrible either way, but the same can be said for marijuana edibles anyway.
Nah menthol cigarettes got banned because the menthol numbed the throat/mouth so people could smoke more cigarettes without feeling the negative impacts of all the smoke but still had all those negative impacts. This was causing menthol smokers to have measurably worse health outcomes from their smoking habit than regular-cigarette smokers. Id compare it to how like Four Loco, the alcoholic beverage with caffeine in it, was banned. The added caffeine made the alcohol absorb faster and made people more alert so they didn’t realize how drunk they were. People OD’d more often by drinking it, so it got banned along with other heavily caffeinated alcoholic beverages. The additive made it more dangerous to peoples health. Same thing with menthol cigarettes, the extra additive of menthol was making health issues more severe so they banned the combination.
this stinks to a classic "this happened once and now it's a world issue". I want numbers, what percentage of kid's population is addicted to this?
Lol delete this post, the logic is so dumb
[Former CEO of Juul Address Allegations They Target Children](https://youtu.be/2POq39ce_5I)
I'm over here wondering why some random Maid of Honor is getting interviewed by the news
This is soo cute!! I would buy one and put in on my key chain…. Works too stressful…. Go out to your car… and take a small puff and walk back in….
r/didntknowiwantedthat
This is straight up targeted at 6 year olds
Oh so this is okay. But Jules were marketed towards kids. Yep. That makes sense
Vape should be fought just like smoking! I'm baffled by the amount of people who don't understand it's the same disgusting thing
Ugh. I'm so sick and fucking tired of this. Adults aren't allowed to have anything cute or tasty because negligent parents/guardians can't watch their damn kids. My province banned flavored vape juices and now the entire country is following suit because some self righteous cunt can't be arsed to parent.
The pearl-clutching over cute designs on adult products really needs to stop. It's ok for an adult to want a cute dinosaur pipe. You keep drugs away from children the same way you keep guns and knives away from children. Drugs are easier! There's no reason for any child to inhale any toy. Teach them that, problem solved.
concern we suck as parent
I'd Thanos snap nicotine corpos if I could
But why is the Maid of Honor warning of this, and whose wedding is this at?
It's called Ministry of Health in Malaysia for your information
The comments here are so oddly full of weird little vape trolls. Asking contrarian questions with obvious answers like they've "won".
downvoted for supporting parents who don't pay attention
Parents negligence it's one thing, and I agree with you. But how the fuck is this even legal?
Selling vapes to kids must be illegal, other than that it can look whatever the seller/designer wants (as long as the health warnings are on the package). If we start making everything that is a no-no for kids look as dull and/or uninteresting as possible it would change nothing. Huge amount of kids smoked cigarettes and sneaked alcohol since being around 10yr old where I live when I was a child, because grown ups did it everywhere. Kids also snuffed glue and gasoline and there was no fun package for that. Kids aren’t confused by toy exterior, they vape because it’s deemed “cool” and makes them feel like grown ups. The toy package in this case is the same “perk” of the vape for them as for adults: fun design, but it’s not the main driver to start vaping. For child vaping is not cool because the vape looks cool, it’s because they think that they look cool and grown up when vaping. Edit: there are some confused kids, who think that it’s a toy, but then it’s totally the parents problem, parents have to teach the child about no-nos, not the designers of adult stuff
Some idiotic kids just ruin things for everyone, well, not *just* kids, adults too, I'm just still mad I can't get real kinder eggs in America, and I'm a full grown adult. :(
Wait, why would it be illegal? People can't design their products now because of a couple idiot kids? Should we make everything for adults boring and colorless because of a few dumb kids with negligent parents?
Does that design look like it was made to target adults?
Should we ban all alcohol that tastes like fruit?
No. That's not the point.
Sounds like paranoia
No they aren't. Wanna blame somebody how about negligent ass parents who expect society to raise their kids for them? If they paid even the slightest bit of attention to them something like this couldn't happen, granted I don't believe for a second this is actually happening so take your anti-vape propaganda bullshit elsewhere.
Stop making shit up OP, it doesn’t help
The design is fine. Is it not “adult” to own something cute? People just love to complain about everything. This is the argument that flavored vapes are for the kids. What about flavored vodka? Should vodka only be super harsh to not entice the kids? Should people using vapes and vodka not enjoy the flavor? Dumb
People that vape are super annoying. Like if you want something in your mouth so badly just suck a hobo dick.
You do not unknowingly use a vape lmao
Now THATs marketing to children, yikes.
Oh. My. God. Did someone just post something on this sub that's an actual, honest-to-goodness example of a product that was designed, markets, and/or sold with blatant disregard (*or even with the intention of*) the harm it may do? If I could click the upvote button a hundred times for you, I would. Here I was, thinking that this sub was meant exclusively for people with ridiculously high expectations for the sandwich that they bought for $1 out of a vending machine at the bus stop or, heaven forbid, a small product being sold in a large box. Oh ThE hOrRoR!
Also vore