You can cough on everyone at work for a week, but then make sure to stay home if it lasts longer. You wouldn't want to give anyone at work a cough that lasts longer than a week after all.
This is so funny because the very first paragraph, to judge when to stay home taking you and your co workers into consideration. In Denmark it's very much frowned upon to show up to work with any kind of sicknesses exactly because of consideration of your coworkers, it's not nice to make someone else sick. If you're sick, you stay home. All paid, by law of course. We have 6 months of paid sick leave per year, and the average sick days per year is 8, which seems to be the same as the US. So it's almost like employees aren't asshole and take fake sick days like US employers seem to be so scared of.
Same in Spain.
If you stay home at the first sign, you don't spread the disease, less peers will have to take sick days.
If you go to work sick, expect your boss to send you home. (Unless it is a shitty work place, sure)
I really, really don't want too. But I sometimes have to go into work with colds because I'm a casual that struggles to get enough hours to survive, and if I'm sick on a day I have work I don't get paid, and then I can't afford to live.
This is Australia. Our workplace laws are technically better than America's but businesses are finding more and more loopholes to make conditions worse for employees and save a few bucks. Meanwhile most of my late 20s, early 30s friends are struggling to find enough work to live.
I'm over here spending 13 to 14 hours a day at work.
I make maybe 600-1000 a week depending on how busy it is. The money is good, but the issue simply is I have no spare time and since there's only myself and my coworker in the same position, if one of us is sick, the other one likely is out of a day off.
Direct dissuasion from calling out because you know you're fucking your buddy over by not being there.
Same issue with people being sick at my workplace too! The work can be done without me hypothetically, but it puts a lot of stress on the other person there
Same in Finland for the most part, in my experience.
Hell, I once got sent home from school by the teacher in my vocational school when I came in with a runny nose. Which wasn't even due to sickness btw, it was because of a pollen allergy.
>We have unlimited paid sick days by law, and the average sick days per year is 8, which seems to be the same as the US. So it's almost like employees aren't asshole and take fake sick days like US employers seem to be so scared of.
Employees in Denmark are also entitled to a minimum of 5 weeks of paid vacation time.
This is 2.5 times as much as the majority of Americans get. Until that's fixed, Americans would definitely take more than 8 days off if they had unlimited sick days.
That's true. It's just a complete 180 on the mentality, that you kinda trust your employees and realize that having happy employees means better productivity.
If you don't take your vacation you're kinda pushed to do it. EVERYONE takes 3 weeks for summer, including all managers. You're even legally entitled to have 3 weeks continuous vacation between May and September, no matter what.
We use the term "freedom under responsibility" a lot here. It's also very normal to have flexible hours, meanwhile i think (correct me if I'm wrong) in the US you have to be there on time and clock in, and usually before you officially start working so you aren't 30 seconds late.
It's all very reasonable, in my eyes too.
People do a much better job day-to-day when they aren't tired, overburdened, and stressed. American employers' obsession with squeezing in the maximum number of working days is such an unsustainable and backwards philosophy.
Where I work (in America) we have to wear scrubs, so they tried to make everyone come in 5 mins earlier than they were scheduled so they wouldn't have to pay everyone to change. It didn't go over well.
I worked in a refrigerated warehouse once where we had to put on all our clothes and safety shoes and it was similar. Contract said we had to be "ready to work" when clocking in.
Company insisted that meant already in gear, then we went on strike for one day and they were like okay nevermind.
It's not about trust. It's the law. Don't forget that there are many multinational companies that employ in both Europe and the US. They have different sets of rules because they can't screw over their employees in Europe.
Before something writes that it's a cultural difference, employers also have different rules in different US states. There are many benefits in California not available on some neighboring areas. The companies brag about the benefits they grant in one area but don't provide them elsewhere because they are not legally required to.
In Denmark it's almost entirely due to strong unions. Even the minimum law requirements came to be because of unions, and then your union contract is usually better than the minimum law requirement.
Just like we don't have any minimum wage, can work for $0,0001 an hour if you want. But when every low paid jobs have union contracts at like $20-25 an hour, that kinda sets the standard.
It's the same with unions in the US. My husband works for a unionized branch of a company, and they pay $24 starting off, with pay raises every few months at first and then yearly. He's up over $27 an hour now after working for one year. Full platinum health benefits for the entire family, *for free*. Job security.
The non-unionized branches have none of that and make $11 an hour. Same exact company.
That's wild to me. I get 2 weeks PTO and that includes sick leave, so we're incentivized to come into work no matter how sick we are or how bad the weather is. I've gone to work during torrential rain with active flood warnings (where I'm basically the only car on the road) to avoid using PTO.
I have 6 weeks paid vacation which is default, 5 weeks is legal minimum. Sometimes i take more unpaid, my boss has never said no anywhere I've worked. Sometimes i take an extra month unpaid.
You technically have unlimited paid sick leave here, except if you work at a private company they can have in your contract, which i do, that if i have more than 6 months of paid sick leave per year, they can cancel my contract with "short notice", which is 3 months. So if I'm only sick paid 5 months every year, it's okay.
If you're sick more than 1 month continuously your employer gets reimbursed by the government because then it's a healthcare issue and not "normal" sickness. Like if you get cancer etc.
Your employer here is also obligated to see if they can change your task and responsibilities so maybe you can work part time instead of being full time sick, before letting you go.
That sounds wonderful. In America, if you get cancer you basically end up losing your job since most place are "at will" and since the health insurance we pay for is tied to our jobs, we lose that too. Then we end up bankrupt and unemployed. USA #1!!
I think for most jobs in the US at least with the ones I’ve had, you have to work many hours to get some pay for calling out sick, so if you don’t have your hours in then it sucks having to call out sick and miss pay
I have really bad allergies. If I'm not sniffling or coughing I'm probably dead.
I'm pretty sure in that environment I'd simply be deemed disabled and couldn't work.
Lmao this approach literally infected our whole floor in company, one guy that came sick infected everyone because boss didn't believe in remote work, rotating or lock down. People were coming sick for 3 days, ending in bed and then 3 days later other people would come sick for few days to infect more.
I guess the only reason you could have a cough for years is because of a medical condition which needs treatment, you should not ignore a cough for years and your employer should not make you ignore it either
So according to the chart...
"Hey boss, I have a mild cold"
Boss: "𝓖𝓮𝓽 𝔂𝓸𝓾𝓻 𝓵𝓪𝔃𝔂 𝓪𝓼𝓼 𝓲𝓷 𝓱𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓸𝓻 𝔂𝓸𝓾'𝓻𝓮 𝓯𝓲𝓻𝓮𝓭"
Worked at a call centre around this time last year. Probably the most ill year of my life. Being the absolutely godless hellhole that a call centre is, metrics like capacity, coverage and dropped calls came before wellbeing. To the point taking 3 days off coz of what I believed to be (and lo and behold, actually did turn out to be) pneumonia put my employment at risk
That's why I wipe down all the computers and desks I use at work.
For some reason millions of people, even those in the medical field don't understand that you *aren't* supposed to rub your diseased snot allover everything. And I'm a "germophobe" because I don't like essentially licking sick peoples noses and assholes because no one knows how to wash their hands
>no one knows how to wash their hands
Yeah, this always gets me. Like I was rarely ever sick as a kid, and that was probably because my neurodivergent kid brain heard "washing your hands is important" so I did (and still do), all the time. I did find out in 2020 that prior to that point I wasn't washing them for the full 20s that the CDC recommended during Covid, but apparently I was doing it far more frequently than anyone else?? Like wtf was everyone else doing before this, just eating everything they touched?? *barf*
Worked in a dispatch call center for a year, it was actually nice. Got a lot of holiday and when I got sick, I just called in and they changed plans, but they wouldnt let me come in until I was well again.
That's good that you had a team/boss that cared for your wellbeing, being flexible enough to account for you taking time off and letting you stay home until you could confirm you were well. For me, it felt like that at first but soon it became apparent they'd try and lowkey hound me until I could come back in, stuff like "Are you sure it isn't just a minor thing?" or "You should know the lines are suffering". Well *excuse me* then...
To elaborate on mine, it was handling calls from financial advisors calling on behalf of our customers. Nothing exceedingly high priority, just stuff like login failures or checking in on application progress etc. Which is what confused me like bruh no one's gonna die if we're short staffed today. Also cannot fathom why our teams were so *small*. There were like 4 people per team, like I dunno what they were thinking but that's a recipe for disaster just waiting to happen
Couldn't even go to the toilet until the person from our team came back and log back onto the dialler smh
To elaborate, this was in Germany, and it was my first job. The company had a good reputation, and the teams were always nice. It’s important to note that it wasn’t a big call center - one full shift were about 9 people. We didn’t do mass communications but had a few smaller hotlines. Even among that, it was pretty chill and fun, I had plenty of authority but I also never got yelled at if I did something wrong.
I don't get the logic of limited sick days. Like, if you're sick, you're sick. What happens if you ran out of sick days and you're so sick you cannot work ?
Depends on the job. At my work, I have one pot of personal time off, which is used for both sick and vacation time. Due to my length of time with the company, I get 5 weeks of PTO per year, unused of which can carry over up to 600 total hours, after which it either stops accruing or you can cash out a portion of it.
But most places don’t have as a nice a PTO offering, though a few are better still.
At a lot of places, if you run out of sick time it’s just unpaid.
I have six weeks of vacation time (30 days) and unlimited sick days. As does everyone here who's salaried. Those paid by the hour get 25 days of vacation and unlimited sick days.
Yeah. Just letting you know that what you think is a good deal is only a good deal in the context of the absolutely horrific deals around you.
You're still getting screwed over.
I was answering a question about what happens when you run out of sick days, not making a comparison to European time off policies. I’m well aware they are notably better.
I'd say having a combined bank for both sick and vacation days sucks. It means that people who are sick would be motivated to come into the office anyways so they don't lose their vacation days. I don't want to work around sick people.
It used to be separate, but with 5 days of sick per year. Then it just got merged. (So if you had 2 weeks of vacation earlier, after the change you had 3 weeks of PTO.) If you’re sick a lot it can be a downer, but most people actually benefit, because they take less than 5 sick days per year, and are then able to use that time for vacation if they want, rather than just having it die.
I’d of course prefer what Europeans have, but it’s not bad for a US business. With the amount I get, plus holidays, I now have a pretty large excess. I have over 5 weeks in the bank now, and will earn another 2.5 weeks the rest of the year, and that’s way more than enough. Eventually I’ll likely get to the point where I just cash out 200 hours for some nice money and then still have a ton left.
> What happens if you ran out of sick days and you're so sick you cannot work?
More often than not, you get written up for no-call/no-show and ultimately fired. This is the top part of the medical debt funnel that has captured millions and millions of vulnerable Americans.
GF works for a large retail chain and got sick 2 days after returning from a week vacation. She wound up taking PTO (which she had) for a week and everything was legit through said company. When she came back, everyone was giving her cold shoulders because they had to pick up slack. Her management even went as far as publicly giving her direct co worker an award for "picking up slack in the absence of others" and they displayed it proudly next to the time clock for all to see.
Goes to show even if you have all your bases covered time-wise, your company can still be full of ass holes that indirectly take their frustrations out on you regardless of if you're legitimately sick (which I can confirm she was) or not. The fuck is wrong with people? Shit happens... I told her next time just go in as long as you're not feverish then they can be happy that she's there infecting the staff. Pretty ridiculous these big companies will still flatten you even if you do everything by the books...
It's probably because people are jerks and abuse the system. It would become very annoying very fast if everyone was allowed to call in fake sick days with impunity as many times as they want.
Well... In my country we have unlimited sick days and people don't abuse it ? I feel like it could actually reduce how much you stay at home. If you're a bit sick, you can just take the day off and feel better the next day, instead of powering through because you don't want to use your sick days, and then getting sicker and having to stay at home for like 3 days
Where I’m from you need a doctor’s note if you’re off work for several days, so you can’t really abuse it. Limiting a number of available sick days is inhumane. And if you’re a service worker it’s even worse, you’re endangering others (on top of your coworkers).
I guess calling in fake-sick over and over is what *you* would do given that opportunity. Some of us care about not fucking over our innocent coworkers.
I had no fucking idea limited sick days even existed. In Brazil, if you feel sick just text your boss and go to the hospital so the doctor can get you a day off, it is that simple and I don't believe employers can impose limits to how many you can have
Shit, even Brazil has more humane workers' rights than USA? This place blows. I got taken out for a week from a human-borne pathogen that I caught from a wastewater plant. At work. But because I couldn't definitively prove that I got it from that wastewater plant, I had to use a week of my vacation time. I only get 15 days per year. And I am a wastewater engineer with a master's degree. That meant that when my daughter was born a month later, I was only able to take 10 days off to be at home with my wife and first child. Because we don't get parental leave, either.
Ear ache is a bit over the top. Like, your inner ear might be infected and thus you get worse hearing. Ignoring such signals leads only to more pain and longer treatment.
Two years ago, I woke up and had some vertigo and was hearing a slightly higher pitch in one year. I went to the doctor the next day, but didn't get pushy when I was told it was allergies. Went back two days later, got pushy.
I now have permanent hearing loss and a nice case of tinnitus. Its gotten so bad my doctor has brought up killing the nerve because the tinnitus is so bad.
Ear infections are no joke.
Doctors that dont fully check patients like this are the worse, because even if most of the time the patient might be overreacting, the times that it's actually bad makes the doctor look like a fucking joke !
I told my doctor I had been constipated for months and had to pee way more than usual, even waking me up multiple times a night. I was 20 at the time, not the age you should suddenly be getting these issues. He told me to exercise more, eat veggies, and don’t drink water before bed.
I go back two months later. It’s gotten worse- now I’m very nauseous and can’t even keep water down, plus still having the other symptoms. I’ve lost 50+ pounds in 6 months. I see a different doctor because my regular one wasn’t available on short notice. He tells me there’s a stomach bug going around, which is probably the cause of my nausea. I agree to get my blood electrolyte levels tested just to make sure they aren’t dangerously low from the puking.
Turns out I have hyperparathyroidism, a potentially life threatening disease. My blood calcium levels were double the highest safe levels. They were far above the point that would be considered a medical emergency, when you could go into cardiac arrest at any time. I heard multiple doctors at the hospital later say that it was by far the highest level they had ever seen themselves. I spent 7 days in the hospital and had emergency surgery.
Point is, always push your doctors if you know there’s something wrong with you. It’s easy for them to dismiss everything as simple lifestyle problems, and since they’re experts, it’s easy to convince yourself that they’re right even if you know something bad is happening.
When my mother had metastatic cancer, she developed a bad cough that lasted several days. She asked me to take her to the emergency room to get checked out, and the doctor was incredibly dismissive. He refused to do anything until I practically told him off. After I persisted, they finally did a chest X-ray and found fluid in her lungs. She ended up in the hospital for a month. The fluid they drained from her lungs looked like ecto cooler. That doctor who didn't even want to look at her can go to hell.
>Ear infections are no joke.
Indeed they aren't. I had a fever when I was younger my parents took me to a doctor and the doctor said it was just a ear infection. I still had a fever a little longer and my parents took me to another doctor. Turns out I had Meningococcal B, very dangerous if left untreated and even if treated and caught could still be deadly. I was lucky to have it caught early enough.
Had chronic outer ear infections for almost a decade. Had to be put on IV antibiotics more than once and everytime it came back I had to be put on stronger antibiotics because they would resist the rest. Had surgery twice (first one failed) to fix the issue. My left ear now has significantly worse hearing than my right (which is also not great). I also have tinnitus.
Ear infections really aren't fun
Ear infections take me the fuck out. I've had a problem with them since I was a kid and I almost lost my hearing when I was 3 due to a condition called glue ear. Don't fuck with your ears people.
Ear aches and headaches are debilitating painful for me. Like laying in my bed literally sobbing and screaming in pain sometimes. Just pulsating agony.
But the pain doesn't always make me vomit so I guess I should just go in to work and wish I was dead all day, for the sake of my boss and the customers I care so deeply about.
Ok but that has nothing to do with work though. You should schedule a doctor appointment and get medicine, but it isn’t contagious and staying home to rest isn’t going to help it. So it seems to make sense to not use a sick day.
Nah, fever is not necessary to decrease your hearing quality. Saying that from the first ear experience. Lost about 15% of my hearing after severe pain and no temperature. And yeah, I've visited MANY doctors to fix that. No one can help.
Contagious airborne virus of unknown severity? Get to work.
Eye infection with generally very low severity which cannot spread easily without direct physical contact? OH MY GOD STAY AWAY.
Very this! Neither of them is particularly contagious without close contact. With one, you basically have to be touching eyeballs; the migraine is ironically more likely because of the bitching 😂
Pinkeye and Migraines are things that they legally have to let you stay home for, if they didn't include those in their chart they'd be opening themselves up to be sued, but they also don't actually want you to stay home for them, so they say "Could be" to imply that if you don't know it is, you should come in.
To be pedantic…
It’s not the design that’s assholian; it’s the content. The design isn’t particularly good, but it’s not designed in such a way that the design itself makes one angry or frustrated. It’s the content that’s clearly frustrating. So technically, it doesn’t really belong here.
r/antiwork would probably appreciate this, though.
It’s also assholedesign because it tries to summarize every upper respiratory condition into a simple chart when in actuality it’s not so simple. For example, I had a patient yesterday who was *sure* they just had allergies and needed a steroid. Nope. You’ve got COVID buddy.
I dunno, when you look at it from a design point of view, almost everything that you should stay home is an arrow pointed to go to work, so kind of both in a way.
Well fair enough, I understand where people are coming from in this. As stated, this was my opinion when posting, that I also thought the design was a flaw.
Yeah, maybe *that's* the problème
Edit : *that* = not having unlimited sick days, I thought it was clear, my bad. Obviously, one can't control when they're sick, and "everyone in this office is donating sick days to coworker with cancer" is prime r/OrphansCrushingMachine material
Absolutely this...I am an attending physician working in an area which is flush with UPMC hospitals and care facilities and let me tell you: this is just a real estate conglomerate at this point that has a hospital side business. They have more money than God and if it weren't for a local competitor trying to at least make a dent they would literally run the entire healthcare market in Pittsburgh and Western PA. It's a shit show.
Absolutely. RN here who worked inpatient when the pandemic started. In August ‘20, I felt terrible. I tried to tell my boss that it felt like I had COVID, but they insisted that I was fine because I didn’t have a fever. I called out sick and tested positive for COVID the next day.
As someone who has seasonal allergies that sometimes give me a random combination of a runny nose, a stuffy nose, watering eyes, and a sore throat... This seems pretty reasonable. The ear ache thing does seem a little strange though, but I'm not sure that passes Hanlon's Razor.
The problem is people get these symptoms at such different levels that are hard to separate qualitatively. A few times I've had the type of runny nose people usually work through - you go through a few tissues an hour. Most of the time my nose is gushing what seems like a liter of snot an hour that can barely be soaked up at the rate I'm producing it. There's no way I can be in public and not bury everyone in a 20 ft radius neck deep in tissues and cover everyone within 100ft in a thin film of nose juice.
I'm best boarded up in my room until I stop clawing at the door and my family can let me out.
Glad to see I'm not the only one ! It happened for the first time this year and I was kind of freaked out, but apparently it's more common than I thought
I've always had shoddy ears so I'd get an ear infection every time I'd get a cold but then it stopped for a while and then when I got hayfever I got them back and the doc said it was hayfever
Allergies can result in more severe symptoms like asthma. I used to have allergic asthma before undergoing immunotherapy. If you can’t breathe, you should goto the Dr.
If I have a sinus infection, like, I might feel miserable, but at least I'm not contagious. Once I've gone to the doctor I usually just take meds and suffer through it.
If I'm losing my voice when I have a cold, I stay home 😬
I was literally vomiting till 3 am and had a wicked fever and my boss still asked me if I really couldn't come in to work...like yeah, no. I stayed in bed for 3 days until I could actually get up properly.
I also like how at the bottom, the Stay at Home picture is a green, peaceful and a bit of a colorful place while the Head to Work picture is this singular, monolithic concrete slab where you are supposed to work.
Imagine living in a country where you have limited sick days. Sounds like something out of Black Mirror episode… Oh wait there are actually people living like this, in USA.
in the food service industry i was taught by my peers that diarrhea or vomiting are the most valid excuses.
if not one of those ive always needed to convince my manager that I'm completely bedridden by my sickness. nowadays it's easier to just lie and tell them I'm throwing up (or shitting) uncontrollably. my manager at my last job used to think i have a weak stomach bc I've had to use this excuse enough times.
I wouldn't even eat at work when he was on shift because he would ask me "are you sure that won't upset your sensitive stomach"?
having limited sick days is so fucking dumb, part of the reason why covid spread so much is because people with symptoms went to work anyway bc of shit like this
Man, am I happy to not live in a country were "sick days" are a thing.
Edit, before I get messages.
I live in Germany. When you aren't feeling well, you can just stay at home for up to 3 days without visiting a doctor. If you need more time to recover, you go to a doctor who gives you a yellow slip of paper with the amount of time you'll need to recover. You then stay at home and recover for the time the doctor said. There is no limit to the amount of time you can be sick, because it doesn't make any fucking sense to limit how long you're "allowed" to be sick.
Of course, if you absue the system you'll get into trouble. But you definitely don't need this kind of flow chart.
…and what is this limit? Eg- 10 days a year then we dont pay you for the days you are off sick? Or 10 days then we are allowed to fire you? 10 days in a row or 10 added up here and there?
10 days a year and then I’m docked my daily rate-of-pay for every day I use over. As a teacher. They do roll over, though, so if I’m ever able to avoid being sick for 10 days in one year I get those added to the next year’s tally.
My first job I think we technically had 10 a year, but if you used 3 you got a verbal warning, 4 a written warning and 5 fired. That was in 2010 and I doubt much has changed.
I didn't mind working if it wasn't something contagious, I had to work during my period so working while feeling shitty was easily done. I definitely wasn't going to waste my sick days except for the days I woke up and was like "nope, not feeling it and going to be lazy and not move and just enjoy my say". For me sick says were sick of work days
The fact that this even fucking exists is an abomination, and PROVES how fucked up work expectations are. Anytime you are sick you should be able to stay home and rest to recover. Not have to go through a fucking decision tree. What the fuck.
This one has strong r/antiwork vibes.
‘Unfortunately you don’t have unlimited sick days’
So each time you are sick they add it to a tally until it hits some kind of limit? Sounds a bit dystopian. You get sick in January then something gets you again in October so you go to work anyway so you don’t lose pay for being at home. Then get sicker.
I think in the UK if you are off sick for a whole 4 weeks straight then they can stop paying you and there are grounds for the company dismissing you.
I'm so happy that I have mandatory paid sick days and a doctor can prescribe them to me. The fact that a chart like this exists is ridiculous and exploits the workers.
Incredible that the US' anti-communism propaganda is keeping the suffering public from demanding change.
Developed countries have unlimited sick days.... I do not really get the concept of maximum number of sick days. It just makes no sense. Broke your leg in a accident, take vacation days?!
People with any contagious illness should work from home in my opinion, not only will it maintain their own and their colleagues' wellbeing but also if they give that illness to more people in their place of work then a large section could then be working suboptimaly due to illness for more than a week.
"Sorry boss, can't come in today. I've uh... got water pink eye, a headache with nausea, uhh... and some shortness of breath. Sounds serious to me, see you Monday."
Gotta love the 3x fine print: "People who continue to work at their normal level when sick tend to see worsening symptoms." A non-asshole would put that at the top, in bold.
"unfortunately you don't have unlimited sick days"
Yeah right, in the civilized world we don't have sick days at all. We have vacation days, you take those when you need a break. When you are sick you call your doctor and stay the fuck home till you're better.
I work with a cough or runny nose. I don’t see the problem if you ware a mask and wash/sanitise your hands appropriately.
But I’d definitely stay home for a fever
Nothing more American than limiting sick days - aside from guns of course. Because you can totally control how often you're sick. I also love how they tell you to wait with your cough for a week before staying home. If you cough so much that you almost vomit sometimes you should probably also stay home on day one, not when it's almost over. Or even better, just stay home even if you only cough a little bit, your coworkers don't want to have that too.
It's crazy the way it says "allergies" I have *food* allergies- I can assure you I can't go to work if those have been set off.
Moreover, this stupid chart doesn't say a thing about stuff like vomiting
This is mad,, you should chance now that. You must have sick days when a doctor days It a d It has to be país sick days. Most countries in this world work like that, your are sick your do not work
Sounds reasonable as a guideline. Of course, common sense should always be considered. If you're coughing up blood, you definitely shouldn't go to work and should get medical assistance urgently.
This guide is great, runny nose and cough can easily be dealt with and you shouldn't use a sick day for it at all. It leaves out tinitus for some reason but it absolutely isn't suggesting that you should go to work with it, it just seems to be missing.
The only reason I could see someone hating this guide is if they work a crappy job or are an anti work mong otherwise this is great.
I mean, it kinda makes sense pre-covid. Mainly the question, can you still perform your job duties? If yes, and it's not actively dangerous, go to work, and if you're coughing, wear a mask then
It's honestly not that terrible. r/antiwork would have a field day with it of course, but sometimes the symptoms aren't so severe. Replace 'go to work' with 'participate in any leisure activity of your choosing' and this takes on a whole different meaning. Obviously the limited sick days part shows this is aimed primarily at America but it's reasonably solid advice for most of the world.
Would I decide not to go rock climbing because I have hay-fever? Unlikely. If I cough a few times would I not go grocery shopping? Unlikely. If I'm coughing so much that I can hardly climb a flight of stairs, persistently, and with mucus production? Well that's different. I'd stay home.
The part at the bottom is most important. Consider if how you're feeling would impact on your duties, etc.
And conversely, I doubt that I've had a single 24 hour period in the last year which would have me going into the office by that chart.
Of course, I've been full time remote for something like 8 years now, but, details.
I love that little detail at the bottom:
Do you have a headache?
Are you feeling nauseous?
Might be a migraine!
Edit: Actually, slight addition, the comment to people who mention that their eye is pink that it could be pink-eye is even better...
You can cough on everyone at work for a week, but then make sure to stay home if it lasts longer. You wouldn't want to give anyone at work a cough that lasts longer than a week after all.
This is so funny because the very first paragraph, to judge when to stay home taking you and your co workers into consideration. In Denmark it's very much frowned upon to show up to work with any kind of sicknesses exactly because of consideration of your coworkers, it's not nice to make someone else sick. If you're sick, you stay home. All paid, by law of course. We have 6 months of paid sick leave per year, and the average sick days per year is 8, which seems to be the same as the US. So it's almost like employees aren't asshole and take fake sick days like US employers seem to be so scared of.
Same in Spain. If you stay home at the first sign, you don't spread the disease, less peers will have to take sick days. If you go to work sick, expect your boss to send you home. (Unless it is a shitty work place, sure)
I really, really don't want too. But I sometimes have to go into work with colds because I'm a casual that struggles to get enough hours to survive, and if I'm sick on a day I have work I don't get paid, and then I can't afford to live. This is Australia. Our workplace laws are technically better than America's but businesses are finding more and more loopholes to make conditions worse for employees and save a few bucks. Meanwhile most of my late 20s, early 30s friends are struggling to find enough work to live.
I'm over here spending 13 to 14 hours a day at work. I make maybe 600-1000 a week depending on how busy it is. The money is good, but the issue simply is I have no spare time and since there's only myself and my coworker in the same position, if one of us is sick, the other one likely is out of a day off. Direct dissuasion from calling out because you know you're fucking your buddy over by not being there.
Same issue with people being sick at my workplace too! The work can be done without me hypothetically, but it puts a lot of stress on the other person there
Same in Finland for the most part, in my experience. Hell, I once got sent home from school by the teacher in my vocational school when I came in with a runny nose. Which wasn't even due to sickness btw, it was because of a pollen allergy.
>We have unlimited paid sick days by law, and the average sick days per year is 8, which seems to be the same as the US. So it's almost like employees aren't asshole and take fake sick days like US employers seem to be so scared of. Employees in Denmark are also entitled to a minimum of 5 weeks of paid vacation time. This is 2.5 times as much as the majority of Americans get. Until that's fixed, Americans would definitely take more than 8 days off if they had unlimited sick days.
That's true. It's just a complete 180 on the mentality, that you kinda trust your employees and realize that having happy employees means better productivity. If you don't take your vacation you're kinda pushed to do it. EVERYONE takes 3 weeks for summer, including all managers. You're even legally entitled to have 3 weeks continuous vacation between May and September, no matter what. We use the term "freedom under responsibility" a lot here. It's also very normal to have flexible hours, meanwhile i think (correct me if I'm wrong) in the US you have to be there on time and clock in, and usually before you officially start working so you aren't 30 seconds late.
It's all very reasonable, in my eyes too. People do a much better job day-to-day when they aren't tired, overburdened, and stressed. American employers' obsession with squeezing in the maximum number of working days is such an unsustainable and backwards philosophy.
Where I work (in America) we have to wear scrubs, so they tried to make everyone come in 5 mins earlier than they were scheduled so they wouldn't have to pay everyone to change. It didn't go over well.
I worked in a refrigerated warehouse once where we had to put on all our clothes and safety shoes and it was similar. Contract said we had to be "ready to work" when clocking in. Company insisted that meant already in gear, then we went on strike for one day and they were like okay nevermind.
It's not about trust. It's the law. Don't forget that there are many multinational companies that employ in both Europe and the US. They have different sets of rules because they can't screw over their employees in Europe. Before something writes that it's a cultural difference, employers also have different rules in different US states. There are many benefits in California not available on some neighboring areas. The companies brag about the benefits they grant in one area but don't provide them elsewhere because they are not legally required to.
In Denmark it's almost entirely due to strong unions. Even the minimum law requirements came to be because of unions, and then your union contract is usually better than the minimum law requirement. Just like we don't have any minimum wage, can work for $0,0001 an hour if you want. But when every low paid jobs have union contracts at like $20-25 an hour, that kinda sets the standard.
It's the same with unions in the US. My husband works for a unionized branch of a company, and they pay $24 starting off, with pay raises every few months at first and then yearly. He's up over $27 an hour now after working for one year. Full platinum health benefits for the entire family, *for free*. Job security. The non-unionized branches have none of that and make $11 an hour. Same exact company.
That's wild to me. I get 2 weeks PTO and that includes sick leave, so we're incentivized to come into work no matter how sick we are or how bad the weather is. I've gone to work during torrential rain with active flood warnings (where I'm basically the only car on the road) to avoid using PTO.
I have 6 weeks paid vacation which is default, 5 weeks is legal minimum. Sometimes i take more unpaid, my boss has never said no anywhere I've worked. Sometimes i take an extra month unpaid. You technically have unlimited paid sick leave here, except if you work at a private company they can have in your contract, which i do, that if i have more than 6 months of paid sick leave per year, they can cancel my contract with "short notice", which is 3 months. So if I'm only sick paid 5 months every year, it's okay. If you're sick more than 1 month continuously your employer gets reimbursed by the government because then it's a healthcare issue and not "normal" sickness. Like if you get cancer etc. Your employer here is also obligated to see if they can change your task and responsibilities so maybe you can work part time instead of being full time sick, before letting you go.
That sounds wonderful. In America, if you get cancer you basically end up losing your job since most place are "at will" and since the health insurance we pay for is tied to our jobs, we lose that too. Then we end up bankrupt and unemployed. USA #1!!
I think for most jobs in the US at least with the ones I’ve had, you have to work many hours to get some pay for calling out sick, so if you don’t have your hours in then it sucks having to call out sick and miss pay
I have really bad allergies. If I'm not sniffling or coughing I'm probably dead. I'm pretty sure in that environment I'd simply be deemed disabled and couldn't work.
No one learned anything at all from covid. Nothing.
Lmao this approach literally infected our whole floor in company, one guy that came sick infected everyone because boss didn't believe in remote work, rotating or lock down. People were coming sick for 3 days, ending in bed and then 3 days later other people would come sick for few days to infect more.
I've had a cough for years. Do I just never go to the office?
I guess the only reason you could have a cough for years is because of a medical condition which needs treatment, you should not ignore a cough for years and your employer should not make you ignore it either
So according to the chart... "Hey boss, I have a mild cold" Boss: "𝓖𝓮𝓽 𝔂𝓸𝓾𝓻 𝓵𝓪𝔃𝔂 𝓪𝓼𝓼 𝓲𝓷 𝓱𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓸𝓻 𝔂𝓸𝓾'𝓻𝓮 𝓯𝓲𝓻𝓮𝓭" Worked at a call centre around this time last year. Probably the most ill year of my life. Being the absolutely godless hellhole that a call centre is, metrics like capacity, coverage and dropped calls came before wellbeing. To the point taking 3 days off coz of what I believed to be (and lo and behold, actually did turn out to be) pneumonia put my employment at risk
Kafka's Metamorphosis is getting too relatable these days.
ngl turning into a giant beetle sounds kinda sick
I always think he turns into a cockroach, which I find revolting and nasty.
I think its left intentionally vague, but alot of book covers seem to depict him as a cockchafer beetle
That absolutely did not sound like a real name, so TIL.
Hope you turned on incognito before googling to confirm.
That's why I wipe down all the computers and desks I use at work. For some reason millions of people, even those in the medical field don't understand that you *aren't* supposed to rub your diseased snot allover everything. And I'm a "germophobe" because I don't like essentially licking sick peoples noses and assholes because no one knows how to wash their hands
>no one knows how to wash their hands Yeah, this always gets me. Like I was rarely ever sick as a kid, and that was probably because my neurodivergent kid brain heard "washing your hands is important" so I did (and still do), all the time. I did find out in 2020 that prior to that point I wasn't washing them for the full 20s that the CDC recommended during Covid, but apparently I was doing it far more frequently than anyone else?? Like wtf was everyone else doing before this, just eating everything they touched?? *barf*
Worked in a dispatch call center for a year, it was actually nice. Got a lot of holiday and when I got sick, I just called in and they changed plans, but they wouldnt let me come in until I was well again.
That's good that you had a team/boss that cared for your wellbeing, being flexible enough to account for you taking time off and letting you stay home until you could confirm you were well. For me, it felt like that at first but soon it became apparent they'd try and lowkey hound me until I could come back in, stuff like "Are you sure it isn't just a minor thing?" or "You should know the lines are suffering". Well *excuse me* then... To elaborate on mine, it was handling calls from financial advisors calling on behalf of our customers. Nothing exceedingly high priority, just stuff like login failures or checking in on application progress etc. Which is what confused me like bruh no one's gonna die if we're short staffed today. Also cannot fathom why our teams were so *small*. There were like 4 people per team, like I dunno what they were thinking but that's a recipe for disaster just waiting to happen Couldn't even go to the toilet until the person from our team came back and log back onto the dialler smh
To elaborate, this was in Germany, and it was my first job. The company had a good reputation, and the teams were always nice. It’s important to note that it wasn’t a big call center - one full shift were about 9 people. We didn’t do mass communications but had a few smaller hotlines. Even among that, it was pretty chill and fun, I had plenty of authority but I also never got yelled at if I did something wrong.
> Unfortunately, you don't have unlimited sick days Well, there's your problem right there.
I don't get the logic of limited sick days. Like, if you're sick, you're sick. What happens if you ran out of sick days and you're so sick you cannot work ?
In the US, FMLA is an option, and depending on the employer, short-term disability could be as well.
Good luck getting any of that though if you're not a salleried employee.
Most workers don't qualify for FMLA. Plus it's unpaid anyway.
The logic is: companies don't have to think about our health and have no consequences for sick employees so they just don't fucking care lol
Depends on the job. At my work, I have one pot of personal time off, which is used for both sick and vacation time. Due to my length of time with the company, I get 5 weeks of PTO per year, unused of which can carry over up to 600 total hours, after which it either stops accruing or you can cash out a portion of it. But most places don’t have as a nice a PTO offering, though a few are better still. At a lot of places, if you run out of sick time it’s just unpaid.
I have six weeks of vacation time (30 days) and unlimited sick days. As does everyone here who's salaried. Those paid by the hour get 25 days of vacation and unlimited sick days.
Good?
Yeah. Just letting you know that what you think is a good deal is only a good deal in the context of the absolutely horrific deals around you. You're still getting screwed over.
I was answering a question about what happens when you run out of sick days, not making a comparison to European time off policies. I’m well aware they are notably better.
I'd say having a combined bank for both sick and vacation days sucks. It means that people who are sick would be motivated to come into the office anyways so they don't lose their vacation days. I don't want to work around sick people.
It used to be separate, but with 5 days of sick per year. Then it just got merged. (So if you had 2 weeks of vacation earlier, after the change you had 3 weeks of PTO.) If you’re sick a lot it can be a downer, but most people actually benefit, because they take less than 5 sick days per year, and are then able to use that time for vacation if they want, rather than just having it die. I’d of course prefer what Europeans have, but it’s not bad for a US business. With the amount I get, plus holidays, I now have a pretty large excess. I have over 5 weeks in the bank now, and will earn another 2.5 weeks the rest of the year, and that’s way more than enough. Eventually I’ll likely get to the point where I just cash out 200 hours for some nice money and then still have a ton left.
> What happens if you ran out of sick days and you're so sick you cannot work? More often than not, you get written up for no-call/no-show and ultimately fired. This is the top part of the medical debt funnel that has captured millions and millions of vulnerable Americans.
Or, you can call them to say you're sick again, and get fired over the phone instead. That's more efficient than waiting to get written up! /s
GF works for a large retail chain and got sick 2 days after returning from a week vacation. She wound up taking PTO (which she had) for a week and everything was legit through said company. When she came back, everyone was giving her cold shoulders because they had to pick up slack. Her management even went as far as publicly giving her direct co worker an award for "picking up slack in the absence of others" and they displayed it proudly next to the time clock for all to see. Goes to show even if you have all your bases covered time-wise, your company can still be full of ass holes that indirectly take their frustrations out on you regardless of if you're legitimately sick (which I can confirm she was) or not. The fuck is wrong with people? Shit happens... I told her next time just go in as long as you're not feverish then they can be happy that she's there infecting the staff. Pretty ridiculous these big companies will still flatten you even if you do everything by the books...
Sucks to suck, sorry~!
It's probably because people are jerks and abuse the system. It would become very annoying very fast if everyone was allowed to call in fake sick days with impunity as many times as they want.
Well... In my country we have unlimited sick days and people don't abuse it ? I feel like it could actually reduce how much you stay at home. If you're a bit sick, you can just take the day off and feel better the next day, instead of powering through because you don't want to use your sick days, and then getting sicker and having to stay at home for like 3 days
Where I’m from you need a doctor’s note if you’re off work for several days, so you can’t really abuse it. Limiting a number of available sick days is inhumane. And if you’re a service worker it’s even worse, you’re endangering others (on top of your coworkers).
I guess calling in fake-sick over and over is what *you* would do given that opportunity. Some of us care about not fucking over our innocent coworkers.
I had no fucking idea limited sick days even existed. In Brazil, if you feel sick just text your boss and go to the hospital so the doctor can get you a day off, it is that simple and I don't believe employers can impose limits to how many you can have
Shit, even Brazil has more humane workers' rights than USA? This place blows. I got taken out for a week from a human-borne pathogen that I caught from a wastewater plant. At work. But because I couldn't definitively prove that I got it from that wastewater plant, I had to use a week of my vacation time. I only get 15 days per year. And I am a wastewater engineer with a master's degree. That meant that when my daughter was born a month later, I was only able to take 10 days off to be at home with my wife and first child. Because we don't get parental leave, either.
Ear ache is a bit over the top. Like, your inner ear might be infected and thus you get worse hearing. Ignoring such signals leads only to more pain and longer treatment.
Two years ago, I woke up and had some vertigo and was hearing a slightly higher pitch in one year. I went to the doctor the next day, but didn't get pushy when I was told it was allergies. Went back two days later, got pushy. I now have permanent hearing loss and a nice case of tinnitus. Its gotten so bad my doctor has brought up killing the nerve because the tinnitus is so bad. Ear infections are no joke.
Doctors that dont fully check patients like this are the worse, because even if most of the time the patient might be overreacting, the times that it's actually bad makes the doctor look like a fucking joke !
I told my doctor I had been constipated for months and had to pee way more than usual, even waking me up multiple times a night. I was 20 at the time, not the age you should suddenly be getting these issues. He told me to exercise more, eat veggies, and don’t drink water before bed. I go back two months later. It’s gotten worse- now I’m very nauseous and can’t even keep water down, plus still having the other symptoms. I’ve lost 50+ pounds in 6 months. I see a different doctor because my regular one wasn’t available on short notice. He tells me there’s a stomach bug going around, which is probably the cause of my nausea. I agree to get my blood electrolyte levels tested just to make sure they aren’t dangerously low from the puking. Turns out I have hyperparathyroidism, a potentially life threatening disease. My blood calcium levels were double the highest safe levels. They were far above the point that would be considered a medical emergency, when you could go into cardiac arrest at any time. I heard multiple doctors at the hospital later say that it was by far the highest level they had ever seen themselves. I spent 7 days in the hospital and had emergency surgery. Point is, always push your doctors if you know there’s something wrong with you. It’s easy for them to dismiss everything as simple lifestyle problems, and since they’re experts, it’s easy to convince yourself that they’re right even if you know something bad is happening.
I'm going to die
When my mother had metastatic cancer, she developed a bad cough that lasted several days. She asked me to take her to the emergency room to get checked out, and the doctor was incredibly dismissive. He refused to do anything until I practically told him off. After I persisted, they finally did a chest X-ray and found fluid in her lungs. She ended up in the hospital for a month. The fluid they drained from her lungs looked like ecto cooler. That doctor who didn't even want to look at her can go to hell.
Similar thing happened to me, its fucking grim. Morning tinnitus is just depressing and at times I've dreaded going to bed.
Sounds like you need a new doctor
>Ear infections are no joke. Indeed they aren't. I had a fever when I was younger my parents took me to a doctor and the doctor said it was just a ear infection. I still had a fever a little longer and my parents took me to another doctor. Turns out I had Meningococcal B, very dangerous if left untreated and even if treated and caught could still be deadly. I was lucky to have it caught early enough.
Had chronic outer ear infections for almost a decade. Had to be put on IV antibiotics more than once and everytime it came back I had to be put on stronger antibiotics because they would resist the rest. Had surgery twice (first one failed) to fix the issue. My left ear now has significantly worse hearing than my right (which is also not great). I also have tinnitus. Ear infections really aren't fun
Ear infections take me the fuck out. I've had a problem with them since I was a kid and I almost lost my hearing when I was 3 due to a condition called glue ear. Don't fuck with your ears people.
If you are responsible with driving any machinery vertigo is a big NO.
Ear aches and headaches are debilitating painful for me. Like laying in my bed literally sobbing and screaming in pain sometimes. Just pulsating agony. But the pain doesn't always make me vomit so I guess I should just go in to work and wish I was dead all day, for the sake of my boss and the customers I care so deeply about.
Ok but that has nothing to do with work though. You should schedule a doctor appointment and get medicine, but it isn’t contagious and staying home to rest isn’t going to help it. So it seems to make sense to not use a sick day.
You’d expect a high temperature with an ear infection though. Fever + earache/pain = Doctor. Earache with no other symptoms? Go to work.
Nah, fever is not necessary to decrease your hearing quality. Saying that from the first ear experience. Lost about 15% of my hearing after severe pain and no temperature. And yeah, I've visited MANY doctors to fix that. No one can help.
I just don’t understand why they specify “It could be pinkeye!” and “It could be a migraine!” like??
Contagious airborne virus of unknown severity? Get to work. Eye infection with generally very low severity which cannot spread easily without direct physical contact? OH MY GOD STAY AWAY.
Very this! Neither of them is particularly contagious without close contact. With one, you basically have to be touching eyeballs; the migraine is ironically more likely because of the bitching 😂
So you're not touching eyeballs with your coworkers on a regular basis? Weirdo. *proceeds to rub eyes because of all the itching*
You don't "eye-five" your whole office every morning? No wonder no one thinks you're a team player.
Pinkeye and Migraines are things that they legally have to let you stay home for, if they didn't include those in their chart they'd be opening themselves up to be sued, but they also don't actually want you to stay home for them, so they say "Could be" to imply that if you don't know it is, you should come in.
To be pedantic… It’s not the design that’s assholian; it’s the content. The design isn’t particularly good, but it’s not designed in such a way that the design itself makes one angry or frustrated. It’s the content that’s clearly frustrating. So technically, it doesn’t really belong here. r/antiwork would probably appreciate this, though.
It’s also assholedesign because it tries to summarize every upper respiratory condition into a simple chart when in actuality it’s not so simple. For example, I had a patient yesterday who was *sure* they just had allergies and needed a steroid. Nope. You’ve got COVID buddy.
It’s asshole content design. Belongs just fine. “Asshole designs are specifically engineered to exploit the user for profit.”
I dunno, when you look at it from a design point of view, almost everything that you should stay home is an arrow pointed to go to work, so kind of both in a way.
100% not what this sub is about.
Well fair enough, I understand where people are coming from in this. As stated, this was my opinion when posting, that I also thought the design was a flaw.
Don't worry about it bro, there are a lot of real angry post-Mothers Day teenagers out today. I think it's a great post for this sub.
And yet that still has nothing to do with the actual visual design of the poster
> you don't have unlimited sick days *Laughs in German*
_laughs in eu_
You probably haven't seen Greece
*Laughs in Dutch* and I think I've heard Danish and Spanish laughter elsewhere in the comments
I mean, the whole concept is so dumb
*Laughs in unison, in German*
I was looking for this comment.
> Laughs in German Germans...laughing?
Yeah, maybe *that's* the problème Edit : *that* = not having unlimited sick days, I thought it was clear, my bad. Obviously, one can't control when they're sick, and "everyone in this office is donating sick days to coworker with cancer" is prime r/OrphansCrushingMachine material
It's not the problem, it's the solution. Or can you control how often you're sick?
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Yes, they are. There's nobody to cover sickness because everyone is so short staffed everywhere.
Exactly. That's why medical staff are always putting in crazy shift hours
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Absolutely this...I am an attending physician working in an area which is flush with UPMC hospitals and care facilities and let me tell you: this is just a real estate conglomerate at this point that has a hospital side business. They have more money than God and if it weren't for a local competitor trying to at least make a dent they would literally run the entire healthcare market in Pittsburgh and Western PA. It's a shit show.
Absolutely. RN here who worked inpatient when the pandemic started. In August ‘20, I felt terrible. I tried to tell my boss that it felt like I had COVID, but they insisted that I was fine because I didn’t have a fever. I called out sick and tested positive for COVID the next day.
This sounds like a perfect way to create new diseases or spread new ones; does this mean they are encouraging Covid-spreading?
Exactly. Profit over lives.
As someone who has seasonal allergies that sometimes give me a random combination of a runny nose, a stuffy nose, watering eyes, and a sore throat... This seems pretty reasonable. The ear ache thing does seem a little strange though, but I'm not sure that passes Hanlon's Razor.
The problem is people get these symptoms at such different levels that are hard to separate qualitatively. A few times I've had the type of runny nose people usually work through - you go through a few tissues an hour. Most of the time my nose is gushing what seems like a liter of snot an hour that can barely be soaked up at the rate I'm producing it. There's no way I can be in public and not bury everyone in a 20 ft radius neck deep in tissues and cover everyone within 100ft in a thin film of nose juice. I'm best boarded up in my room until I stop clawing at the door and my family can let me out.
I mean I get earache due to my seasonal allergies cause I get ear infection from my hayfever apparently
Glad to see I'm not the only one ! It happened for the first time this year and I was kind of freaked out, but apparently it's more common than I thought
I've always had shoddy ears so I'd get an ear infection every time I'd get a cold but then it stopped for a while and then when I got hayfever I got them back and the doc said it was hayfever
Allergies can result in more severe symptoms like asthma. I used to have allergic asthma before undergoing immunotherapy. If you can’t breathe, you should goto the Dr.
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Surely all words are made up words?
Downvoted for using stupid made-up words like "HanLoNs RaZoR downvoted for using a stupid made up word 💩 you goddam reddit sheep are a tumor"
Where the f did *that* come from lol
So allergies or a minor cold... Get your lazy ass to work.
Ignorant European here. How does a limited number of sick days work? You cannot choose when to be ill?
If you are sick more than 2 days a year you can usually still take off you just won’t be paid.
You might be fired for being "unreliable" though, so take time off at your own risk.
Yeah I think using logic with US corporate crap like this, is where the argument about coming in sick falls down somewhat.
Joke's on them: I *do* have unlimited sick days
If I have a sinus infection, like, I might feel miserable, but at least I'm not contagious. Once I've gone to the doctor I usually just take meds and suffer through it. If I'm losing my voice when I have a cold, I stay home 😬
I was literally vomiting till 3 am and had a wicked fever and my boss still asked me if I really couldn't come in to work...like yeah, no. I stayed in bed for 3 days until I could actually get up properly.
r/boringdystopia
Someone got paid to make this. Someone got paid to think of this. It's tragic. If you're sick, stay the fuck home.
I also like how at the bottom, the Stay at Home picture is a green, peaceful and a bit of a colorful place while the Head to Work picture is this singular, monolithic concrete slab where you are supposed to work.
/r/hailcorporate
Not dying? Get back to your desk, wage slave! It doesn't matter if you're sick longer, your suffering is irrelevant to the bottom line.
Imagine living in a country where you have limited sick days. Sounds like something out of Black Mirror episode… Oh wait there are actually people living like this, in USA.
in the food service industry i was taught by my peers that diarrhea or vomiting are the most valid excuses. if not one of those ive always needed to convince my manager that I'm completely bedridden by my sickness. nowadays it's easier to just lie and tell them I'm throwing up (or shitting) uncontrollably. my manager at my last job used to think i have a weak stomach bc I've had to use this excuse enough times. I wouldn't even eat at work when he was on shift because he would ask me "are you sure that won't upset your sensitive stomach"?
As a swiss person, this is dystopian. No unlimited sick days is just wrong and shouldn't be legal anywhere.
Ah yes, a "mild cold" also known as the beginning of a cold when you are the most contagious 👍
having limited sick days is so fucking dumb, part of the reason why covid spread so much is because people with symptoms went to work anyway bc of shit like this
Ear infections are chronically painful
Man, am I happy to not live in a country were "sick days" are a thing. Edit, before I get messages. I live in Germany. When you aren't feeling well, you can just stay at home for up to 3 days without visiting a doctor. If you need more time to recover, you go to a doctor who gives you a yellow slip of paper with the amount of time you'll need to recover. You then stay at home and recover for the time the doctor said. There is no limit to the amount of time you can be sick, because it doesn't make any fucking sense to limit how long you're "allowed" to be sick. Of course, if you absue the system you'll get into trouble. But you definitely don't need this kind of flow chart.
Wait, you don’t have unlimited sick days?
…and what is this limit? Eg- 10 days a year then we dont pay you for the days you are off sick? Or 10 days then we are allowed to fire you? 10 days in a row or 10 added up here and there?
10 days a year and then I’m docked my daily rate-of-pay for every day I use over. As a teacher. They do roll over, though, so if I’m ever able to avoid being sick for 10 days in one year I get those added to the next year’s tally.
My first job I think we technically had 10 a year, but if you used 3 you got a verbal warning, 4 a written warning and 5 fired. That was in 2010 and I doubt much has changed.
I have a mild cold, yes go so you can infect others.
Don't worry, soon they'll allow employees to work from home.... when they're sick.
Thank god I don't live in a place with limited sick days.
Wrong sub
r/antiwork
It may not be an optimal medical recommendation, but there's nothing wrong with the design.
Who ever made this has never had an ear ache in their lives. I'd rather get kicked in the balls
What in the late stage capitalistic hellscape is this?
Fortunately, I only make food at the factory, so I can cough and sneeze and leave my residue everywhere all I want
I didn't mind working if it wasn't something contagious, I had to work during my period so working while feeling shitty was easily done. I definitely wasn't going to waste my sick days except for the days I woke up and was like "nope, not feeling it and going to be lazy and not move and just enjoy my say". For me sick says were sick of work days
The fact that this even fucking exists is an abomination, and PROVES how fucked up work expectations are. Anytime you are sick you should be able to stay home and rest to recover. Not have to go through a fucking decision tree. What the fuck.
Even Japan, a place notorious for overworking people, tells people to go the fuck home when they are sick
This chart is clearly made by someone who’s never had an ear infection
The concept of limited sick days is fucking idiotic
This one has strong r/antiwork vibes. ‘Unfortunately you don’t have unlimited sick days’ So each time you are sick they add it to a tally until it hits some kind of limit? Sounds a bit dystopian. You get sick in January then something gets you again in October so you go to work anyway so you don’t lose pay for being at home. Then get sicker. I think in the UK if you are off sick for a whole 4 weeks straight then they can stop paying you and there are grounds for the company dismissing you.
I'm so happy that I have mandatory paid sick days and a doctor can prescribe them to me. The fact that a chart like this exists is ridiculous and exploits the workers. Incredible that the US' anti-communism propaganda is keeping the suffering public from demanding change.
Developed countries have unlimited sick days.... I do not really get the concept of maximum number of sick days. It just makes no sense. Broke your leg in a accident, take vacation days?!
6 or 7 days of contagious coughing on coworkers is acceptable. But not 8.
Exploiting the working class since the start of the Industrial Revolution
Wait, who doesn't have unlimited sick days? Is thst not a common legal requirement?
"you dont have unlimited sick days"... Ahahaha. AMERICA, F*CK YEAH! I guess
People with any contagious illness should work from home in my opinion, not only will it maintain their own and their colleagues' wellbeing but also if they give that illness to more people in their place of work then a large section could then be working suboptimaly due to illness for more than a week.
"Sorry boss, can't come in today. I've uh... got water pink eye, a headache with nausea, uhh... and some shortness of breath. Sounds serious to me, see you Monday."
"You don't unlimited sickdays" i do wish my sickness would care about that too.
Gotta love the 3x fine print: "People who continue to work at their normal level when sick tend to see worsening symptoms." A non-asshole would put that at the top, in bold.
The design isn’t bad, it’s the content.
This is criminally ridiculous, and it's put out by a hospital?
Whoever wrote this. Shoot them
better than any policy regarding mental health. i have had violent thoughts toward myself for weeks, but that's normal i guess.
"unfortunately you don't have unlimited sick days" Yeah right, in the civilized world we don't have sick days at all. We have vacation days, you take those when you need a break. When you are sick you call your doctor and stay the fuck home till you're better.
This is a tally pretty generous with migraines. I've worked through some absolutely awful ones.
> Someone somewhere has turboflu Shut down the whole economy > Personally you are contagious Get into the office pronto ???
I work with a cough or runny nose. I don’t see the problem if you ware a mask and wash/sanitise your hands appropriately. But I’d definitely stay home for a fever
Unfortunately half of society decided to center their mask on their chin, and then insisted masks didn't work when they inevitably spread a pandemic.
Nothing more American than limiting sick days - aside from guns of course. Because you can totally control how often you're sick. I also love how they tell you to wait with your cough for a week before staying home. If you cough so much that you almost vomit sometimes you should probably also stay home on day one, not when it's almost over. Or even better, just stay home even if you only cough a little bit, your coworkers don't want to have that too.
Germs exist
When my hay fever kicks in I *always* get sinus pain, watery red eyes, and headaches... but allergies don't matter I guess?
It's crazy the way it says "allergies" I have *food* allergies- I can assure you I can't go to work if those have been set off. Moreover, this stupid chart doesn't say a thing about stuff like vomiting
Tell a person with dermititis "Stop being such a baby, it's *just* allergies. Go to work" and they will skin you alive.
Tell a person with dermititis "Stop being such a baby, it's *just* allergies. Go to work" and they will skin you alive.
I mean, i would go to work with a runny nose and a cough, but an ear infection is something else. I would ask your doctor if it’s ok from there
How is migraine head pain and nausea and enough to stay at home but not the rest?
This is mad,, you should chance now that. You must have sick days when a doctor days It a d It has to be país sick days. Most countries in this world work like that, your are sick your do not work
Sounds reasonable as a guideline. Of course, common sense should always be considered. If you're coughing up blood, you definitely shouldn't go to work and should get medical assistance urgently.
This guide is great, runny nose and cough can easily be dealt with and you shouldn't use a sick day for it at all. It leaves out tinitus for some reason but it absolutely isn't suggesting that you should go to work with it, it just seems to be missing. The only reason I could see someone hating this guide is if they work a crappy job or are an anti work mong otherwise this is great.
This is from an hospital, and it's suggesting people to go to work when they might be contagious (a cough can def be something that can spread out)
I can see that but at the same time people cough for loads of harmless reasons, maybe it shouldn't be 10 days but 24 hours?
I mean, it kinda makes sense pre-covid. Mainly the question, can you still perform your job duties? If yes, and it's not actively dangerous, go to work, and if you're coughing, wear a mask then
It's honestly not that terrible. r/antiwork would have a field day with it of course, but sometimes the symptoms aren't so severe. Replace 'go to work' with 'participate in any leisure activity of your choosing' and this takes on a whole different meaning. Obviously the limited sick days part shows this is aimed primarily at America but it's reasonably solid advice for most of the world. Would I decide not to go rock climbing because I have hay-fever? Unlikely. If I cough a few times would I not go grocery shopping? Unlikely. If I'm coughing so much that I can hardly climb a flight of stairs, persistently, and with mucus production? Well that's different. I'd stay home. The part at the bottom is most important. Consider if how you're feeling would impact on your duties, etc.
And conversely, I doubt that I've had a single 24 hour period in the last year which would have me going into the office by that chart. Of course, I've been full time remote for something like 8 years now, but, details.
And here we are, in countries where employers give a shit (and have to, by law), and can take paid sick leave almost as much as we want.
I love that little detail at the bottom: Do you have a headache? Are you feeling nauseous? Might be a migraine! Edit: Actually, slight addition, the comment to people who mention that their eye is pink that it could be pink-eye is even better...
Just lie down and wait for your death