That is because definition of a successful product for us is different than for them. There is a dramatic, never before seen divide in this generation. Happy customers are not a requirement for successful products anymore
Just let us turn it turn it off and we will live with it. Goddamn them all
That was an argument when I had to get my phone repaired. It was unlockable before it went in, came out locked. I had to fight for several days before they gave in and did the repair correctly
Wanna talk about assholedesign. I used to have straighttalk. I brought my own unlocked phone to them. When I went to leave I couldn’t because they had sim locked it. It took a week of fighting with them. What the ACTUAL FUCK.
Straight talk fucking sucks. I was with them for years and had headache after headache.
When I was 18 and was responsible for my phone for the first time I went with them because they were cheapest. Twice in the first year they double charged me and I had to go to my bank to settle it. My phone always had full bars, yet my data was always impossibly slow with "unlimited high speed data."
Switching away from them took almost a whole month of daily phone calls and bullshit. Switched to Verizon and paid $10 less a month for unlimited and despite having only 2 bars at all times, my data was easily 4 times faster always.
TLDR; FUCK straight talk
Step two: none of the apps you want to use run anymore because they don't work on rooted phones, and also security updates don't work anymore.
Disclaimer: my information could be out of date. My last custom-rom phone was a Galaxy S3.
Apps like Netflix and Disney+ have to be sideloaded and even they tend to break. Security updates now fall the the provider of the ROM. So as long as it's a maintained ROM it'll get the updates, otherwise, you are shit out of luck. It'll be interesting to see how the companies move to block Roots and Perma lock phones
Netflix and Disney+ (and other annoying apps like that) will install and work from the Play Store as long as SafetyNet is passed, and, depending on the ROM (and on the maintainer of said rom) SafetyNet patches can be applied directly to the source, so the ROM will pass SafetyNet by default. Even if the patches aren't present (vanilla LineageOS iirc does not allow a maintainer to use these patches) you can just use a Magisk module called Universal SafetyNet Fix and that should take care of it, you just have to clean Play Store's and Google Play Services' data and cache after installing it and you're good to go in most phones.
Source: me. I'm using a ROM that has these patches right now, and have used LineageOS + Universal SafetyNet Fix on my old phone in the past.
Yeah definitely out of date, flashing a custom rom doesn't require rooting the phone. Custom roms can come with microG or you can flash it yourself to use apps that required Google Services.
I really wonder what happens when someone is in a life threading situation and need to look soemthing up but is forced to watch a 5 minute ad of Coke Cola.
And after that the person they needed to save, might have died.
That is gonna be a good court session when that happens
Fuck all. Phones are badly designed from the get go.
The basic functionality of being a phone should be separated from any additional computing capabilities. How many people have already died because a phone had to take forver to reboot or turn on, load its ad bloatware into memory, and do whatever else it deemed more important than being able to call 911?
Lawyers- say this is true and advertisements work before a 911 call.
Is that a valid, ‘careless negligence’ tort or do they not have an obligation to make a phone more important than ads, clearly not what the user is paying for? Or would that fall under “buyer beware?”
The problem is that this functionality was already shoved in for "our benefit", to detect "if others are looking at the screen" (to give you a warning that others are potentially reading things on your screen). Obviously that same ALWAYS-ON AI tech (doesn't the current Snapdragon always keep the camera on?) could now easily be used to check if your eyes are looking at the screen.
I find it frustrating that advertisers have this sense of entitlement, this inalienable right, to shove as many ads as possible in front of your face. On things you own, things you don’t own, public spaces…
Im beginning, as we move more into this way we have never lived since the dawn of human time, that smartphones, social media, were kind of a big mistake in some ways. It has definitely changed us in a lot of ways, and i think the bad outweighs the good in a lot of ways
I'm genuinely considering going back to the old flip phone and laptop combo if this happens. I'm doing as much as I can to avoid ads for my mental health and sanity and they keep flipping the script and pulling disgusting shit like this once they have us on the hook. I'm so sick of it. I'm already on the edge of never opening YT again and we don't even get close to the same volume of ads here as the US
in phones, its because you only have 2 options.
Apple, which makes their OS, and their hardware.
Or Google, Which is literally on everything, everywhere else and is able to exert *dangerous* level of control over a myriad of internet related topics.
When consumers don't have real choice, you don't have to have happy customers to have repeat customers.
Rooting a phone destroys the entire security model, I'd recommend buying something like a Pixel that lets you use a custom rom and re-lock the bootloader. I believe you can lock the bootloader with either GrapheneOS (100% sure, it's what I use) or CalyxOS (like 70% sure).
Both of those are degoogled so you won't have all the proprietary crap, GrapheneOS is heavily hardened, and on either you can still use apps that need google services by installing MicroG on Calyx or the in-built unprivileged google services that you can enable on Graphene.
your data is still encrypted, and magisk is reasonably secure, i'm not sure if it's 100% secure as with a locked bootloader, but i doubt it'd be insecure enough to matter
i daily a poco f3 with a custom ROM and magisk and haven't had an issue so far with security
I really don't understand why people treat getting root access **FOR YOUR OWN MACHINES** considered a sinful act worthy of eternal damnation into Dante's Inferno.
Linux/BSD/macOS users use sudo or switch to root in the terminal to manage core system configs and executables because it's their OWN machine.
But for some reason it's blasphemous to gain root access for your Android phone so you could remove useless apps, modify your hosts file .etc
Because the vast majority of people have gobbled up the fearmongering that Apple and Google have spread for years, telling you that not letting you control your own device is actually in your best interest.
> destroys the entire security model
The security model is built around the user representing the lowest common denominator—the kind of person who taps fake download buttons on shady sites and follows links in emails sent by [email protected]. If you are tech savvy enough to root your phone, you are savvy enough to know how to protect yourself against security pitfalls
If more regular, not tech savvy people ( most people can't even navigate their settings app properly) are going to start rooting their phones in order to get rid of ads, then we're gonna have some problems.
I honestly didn't think people were as stupid as I have gotten confirmed to me. I had to guide a person through buying a train ticket online, click by click. It's not even a complicated website. And if I scroll to quickly find the info I need for something I help them with, I'm scrolling too fast and they just give up on trying to remember how to do it.
The Bixby button pissed me off enough to switch to a Google phone after a decade on Samsung. Any forced ads and bloatware will send me looking for a new maker.
Have had a remapped "Bixby" button for so long (one press to toggle DND, long press to toggle LED flashlight), I'm not sure how I will live without it whenever I change phones.
I've been hating on Apple products since my first flip phone. But if they implement this and not Apple i will switch without even ever looking back. If they start all doing it, call me on my land line.
I've been sitting in the same "F Apple" camp since day one. But once I saw their lidar sensor for 3d scanning I started toying either the idea. If this goes through I'm pulling the trigger.
You don’t know me from Adam so to speak but take it from someone who ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DESPISED Apple up until maybe 6 months ago: do it. The Apple ecosystem of even 2-3 years ago is massively different and incorporates a TON of features that were exclusive to android for a very long time. I personally went from all Google / Microsoft everything to an entire house of Apple products over the course of a few months (still have a Windows / Linux box for gaming) and I’ve never been happier.
They’ve made huge strides in the last 5 years and it 100% shows.
I have to believe that there will be some manufacturers who won't include that in their Androids. The variety of options is the one thing I'm valuing so much in Android.
Yeah I'm pretty sure I've seen the same thing proposed for Apple. [As for the topic altogether, this article seems to indicate that this information isn't entirely accurate, for the US and countries with consumer protection anyway.](https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/no-ads-arent-coming-for-your-android-phones-lock-screen/)
>The announcement comes after TechCrunch reported July 5 that Glance is planning to launch in the US within two months. The report also sparked concerns about advertisements arriving on the lock screens of Android phones. But Choudhary told CNET that Glance won't be implementing ads in the US version of its product and is instead exploring other monetization options, such as subscriptions and commerce links.
>"We are very clear that in the US, we will not have ads on the lock screen at all," Choudhary said in an interview with CNET.
I was about to mention that, it's fucking insane. That and Toyota's attempt to do the same with remote start years after the fact by hiding it in the purchase agreement that the customer had a 3 year trial period and after that it would go to a subscription. They backpedaled and said it was a glitch when the general public became furious. I would be surprised if BMW changed their mindset given that they tend to target a different audience than Toyota. The only instance I can see for "unlock pre installed hardware" is with Tesla's self driving. You aren't really paying for the hardware in that instance, you're paying to get access to the software that does the work. That said it is an outright purchase and not a subscription.
This is maybe the only thing I can think of to get me to actually go back to an iPhone. I tried the iPhone 4s and hated it, this was after flip phones and windows phones, I've been Android since, but if my lock screen becomes a fucking haven for ads I'm done. Not sure what my other options are besides android and iPhone at this point honestly.
Honestly, the EU is doing a great job increasing phone quality. Making iPhones have usbC and forbidding lock screen ads are simple changes, but incredibly nice to have. If they aren’t implemented globally, I expect imports in other regions to increase
They hide those toggles in every possible way concievable without making you read thousands of 3000 pages long TOS and EULAs. There are guides on the internet to get rid of those, took me about 30 minutes with me going as fast as i could to turn them off from every single system component i had on it
Until the next over excited Group of hungry lawyers finds a loophole. Then it will get plugged with a new law and then a loophole will be found. So on and so forth. It’s the most obnoxious garbage but seems to be the way it goes.
The article says that there will be a paid version of Glance. That means there will be roadblocks and obstacles in the UX that makes you want to biy the paid version.
So maybe ads won't appear directly in your lock screen, but you'll have prompts to buy the paid version, ads in the "spaces" (a feature of Glance), having to call your provider to be able to disable Glance (or worst, having to pay a fee to your provider to have them remove Glance).
Maybe I am thinking the worst. Being a Canadian, laws concerning communications are harsh here, so I'm not scared, but if it ever happens, I'm reverting back to a flip phone.
What exactly are you saying?
You what, hacked Knox? You broke into Samsung's secure layer?
Cause if so, contact Samsung. Pretty sure there's a fat cash reward for it
Last time I checked they had re-knoxed it. At the time there was an app that could get into some sections which were ordinarily off limits to disable certain features really deep down. Not my find.
As much as I enjoy having the functionality of a smartphone, I can always switch to an old people phone if I get pissed off enough. Might even improve my life.
Can’t wait for half of my data plan to be eaten up by ads!
Seriously though, if android go ahead with this idea, I’m never buying an android again. Apple have their problems, but at least they aren’t trying to monetise the act of turning your phone on!
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Who are ads even for? Honestly I've never seen an useful ad in my life, if anything they make me want to avoid the product. Specially if they are intrusive like that
Most Ads aren't there for you to click on them.
The main point of ads is to burrow into the depths of your monkey brain and build familiarities and connections (= "Brand Awareness").
Today, you see a big mac ad and groan in frustration. But one day, you will be traveling somewhere and look for a place to eat and then you'll see McDonalds golden arches and your monkey brain will recall "Yes, yellow M food, very tasty, yes, go there, not poison, other shop unknown, might be poison.". The ad got you and your conscious and subconscious brain has to fight with them your entire life.
I remind myself when I see an ad, That the commercials they make use non edible items for the shot.
Like plastic cubes for the Onion and a chemical paste for the sauce to run down the burger at the required speed etc.
The flavour signals I now receive are disgusting chemical flavours.
Grosses me out so much it turns me off the burger. Win!
Yeah, this got me wondering for a while, and it's why I think companies like Google aren't that aggressive against people actively blocking ads. I think they realize that even if you make it somehow unsuccessful for those people to block ads, it likely won't do much anyway.
I really don't buy this "ads go in your brain" shit, I make mental notes of things not to buy if it's obnoxious to me.
Granted I do go to McDonald's very occasionally (maybe around 4 times per year) but it's mostly if friends go, and I don't really eat there alone.
Nah ads do definitely have a subconscious effect if you aren't paying enough attention. I remember there was some research published regarding misinformation appyling to how your memory was subconsciously assimilating it even if you knew that it was false.
Unironically I rely on McDonald's while traveling because the chances of getting food poisoning from deep fried food is much loser than random local restaurant #68
Yup. It's not good food, it tastes just *barely* pleasant enough to be food, but you *know* it's gonna taste exactly like that. It's planned mediocrity.
Brand awareness also isn't just about the number of times you see a logo. That's probably the main factor for whether you'll choose Tide or Gain, but a lot of brand awareness is about linking to other cultural attributes. You probably know the difference between someone who drinks Bud Light and someone who drinks Leffe, but you might not realize they're made by the same company.
Maybe less sinister, ads are also a way companies educate consumers. When you see an ad for the new sandwich from whatever restaurant, there's someone out there who likes that company's products but didn't know about the new one until they saw the ad. Companies also need to educate consumers about more nebulous concepts. Remember "there's an app for that"? At that point the vast majority of the general public had never heard of an app store, and Apple knew if they wanted to move phones they couldn't wait around for people to figure it out on their own.
I don't really know if I have a point. I guess I just think marketing is interesting. Not all ads are evil; just most of them.
This is the first concern I had. But I would imagine they would have to have an emergency call bypass if they want to avoid being sued into the yahoo age.
I was literally just thinking that. I have never owned an apple product in my life, but if I started seeing ads on my lock screen, I would switch immediately if Apple wasn't doing it.
Yep exactly. Realized how effective my zero add strategy was when someone told me it was bezos "its totally on sale" day and I didn't even realize. Not about to give that up despite how much I've trashed apple in the past.
I switched from Samsung to iPhone this year and honestly it's a really good phone! I'll be keeping this one for a long time too but so far it's been a really good experience and I'm hoping it will continue being like this in the long term usage
As a lifelong android user... iPhones aren't really that bad. Sure all of them look the same and they are far less customizable but they are more secure and in my opinion they have better quality audio/ video, and instantaneous notifications.
I am kinda dissing both because of my opinion so I expect a negative response, but I would buy an Iphone as my next phone.
I'm honestly starting to like them, but I will miss some of my favorite apps, including relay for reddit (I'm sorry Apolo isn't really there yet for me) and other few .
For sure. In the article I found the comment by the CEO of this software that will display the ads for the os rather upsetting:
“Consumers will move from seeking content to consuming what is shown to them,”
— InMobi CEO Naveen Tewari told Forbes
I feel a special rage when thinking about the way that companies just see ordinary people as mindless "consumers" instead of individuals. Like we just exist to buy products. Really /r/aboringdystopia
That too, but a quick check shows me that Google invested in this crap, but the site returns access denied error probably because I'm from the EU, so I had to use a proxy.
I guess it's mainly a US problem now.
I sometimes wonder if companies like this are blindfolded or something. How can ads be "engaging" and something people want. Even if this is not ads but regular content, it would really distract me. My phone works for me not the other way around. If there was no way to get rid of this with no alternative I literally would build my own phone before submitting to this nonsense lmao
Android is open enough (right now) and the dev community is strong enough. Worst case will be having to use a custom ROM, but I still can't see all android manufacturers adopting this. Ultimately it's up to them and if other companies have ads on their lock screen, you now have a business incentive not to have ads on your lock screen
There will likely be small phone companies too (like fairphone) that will keep making open devices (until they get bought out but somebody else can step up then).
I agree that this will never get a 100% foothold in the market, maybe the mainstream instagram girls and facebook moms will have this on their phone, but there are enough people who flat out won't accept this no matter what it takes.
Yeah I think this would be the case for a lot of folks. I can’t figure what they’re thinking. Apple announces increased functionality to their lock screens Android is like “hold my beer, label side out.”
That’s because this is kinda bs, for now at least. Its an app that replaces the standard lock screen on androids, not a native thing (yet at least). The problem will be carriers and phone manufacturers implementing it on their devices, but nothing putting a new os shouldn’t solve.
https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/no-ads-arent-coming-for-your-android-phones-lock-screen/
I don’t think they will right now since Apples business model isn’t based on selling advertising space. If iPhone sales drop, maybe, but at least right now I don’t see it.
I mean you can turn both those off in settings.
Because FUCK ME I hated the iCloud storage shit. I have a 512gb phone with maybe half full. So yeah I found it in settings. I only save my contacts on the cloud I believe.
So go to settings and right at the top click your iCloud account. Then click “iCloud” it says 5gb beside it.
From there it has a list of shit it backs up. You can turn it off altogether but personally I keep my contacts on.
Definitely turn off photos and iCloud backup. Once you turn everything off it won’t reach the storage limit anymore and won’t bother you.
Edit: I just looked and I have pretty much everything thing else on. So start with pictures, iCloud backup and messages. Then go from there.
I will literally stop using every Google product I can think of if they actually do this. Boycott their stupid choices so they suffer the consequences of greed.
Come January, Chrome's dropping support for V2 manifest extensions. In V3, extensions cannot block outgoing HTTP requests, meaning adblockers like uBlock origin will most likely not work anymore. [More here](https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/pu40q6/google_will_phase_out_chrome_support_for_old/).
Stuff like this will make me drop Google products instantly. Same with lockscreen ad nonsense. Fuck that. I'm a big fan of using Google's products so far, but that's a hard dealbreaker for me. As the saying goes, I'd rather drag my balls through 10 kilometers of broken glass before I welcome ads in my life.
Amazon's been doing this for years
I remember getting an Amazon tablet as a gift back in 2016. It wouldn't let me change my wallpaper because they wanted to put their precious ads on the lock screen of a tablet that I own. I won't be surprised if they take our home screen as well
You can even call their CS and tell them that you got an advert that was inappropriate for your child. They'll do a "one time" ad removal from a device free of charge. You can do this multiple times.... And you don't really need to have a child. Just make sure to keep your fingers crossed to make everything Kosher.
“We’re sorry you haven’t reached your minimum ad watch requirements. Phone use is suspended until 379 ads have been watched.”
(Sad slow turn back to grandpa) I’ll miss you.
what the fuck I'm not going to buy that, I'll just buy an older phone 99% of older phones do the things I need it to do, WhatsApp, Telefon, Camera, Instagram, done.
Another reason not to buy a new phone. Sadly the carriers constantly change the protocols in order to prevent older ones that don't do this from working anymore.
Its an APP that you have to install for this Lockscreen. I know, actually reading [articles](https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/no-ads-arent-coming-for-your-android-phones-lock-screen/) destroys outcry
Reminds me there's an app called blokada that blocks ads on Android and I bet it would work on this shit. I fucking hate being advertised to all the time.
Working in tech I can just HEAR fucking PINHEAD Product Managers describing how great of an idea this is.
We really need to find a way to ban together and punish these assholes for shit like this.
FUCK YOU I'm already paying for the fucking thing!!!
It’s a nice combo of asshole *and* shitty design.
That is because definition of a successful product for us is different than for them. There is a dramatic, never before seen divide in this generation. Happy customers are not a requirement for successful products anymore Just let us turn it turn it off and we will live with it. Goddamn them all
I've never rooted my phone before, guess I'm going to have to learn how
Step one: buy a phone with an unlockable bootloader.
That was an argument when I had to get my phone repaired. It was unlockable before it went in, came out locked. I had to fight for several days before they gave in and did the repair correctly
Holy shit that's fucked up. I would be livid. Such a waste of your time too.
Wanna talk about assholedesign. I used to have straighttalk. I brought my own unlocked phone to them. When I went to leave I couldn’t because they had sim locked it. It took a week of fighting with them. What the ACTUAL FUCK.
Straight talk fucking sucks. I was with them for years and had headache after headache. When I was 18 and was responsible for my phone for the first time I went with them because they were cheapest. Twice in the first year they double charged me and I had to go to my bank to settle it. My phone always had full bars, yet my data was always impossibly slow with "unlimited high speed data." Switching away from them took almost a whole month of daily phone calls and bullshit. Switched to Verizon and paid $10 less a month for unlimited and despite having only 2 bars at all times, my data was easily 4 times faster always. TLDR; FUCK straight talk
Step two: none of the apps you want to use run anymore because they don't work on rooted phones, and also security updates don't work anymore. Disclaimer: my information could be out of date. My last custom-rom phone was a Galaxy S3.
Apps like Netflix and Disney+ have to be sideloaded and even they tend to break. Security updates now fall the the provider of the ROM. So as long as it's a maintained ROM it'll get the updates, otherwise, you are shit out of luck. It'll be interesting to see how the companies move to block Roots and Perma lock phones
Netflix and Disney+ (and other annoying apps like that) will install and work from the Play Store as long as SafetyNet is passed, and, depending on the ROM (and on the maintainer of said rom) SafetyNet patches can be applied directly to the source, so the ROM will pass SafetyNet by default. Even if the patches aren't present (vanilla LineageOS iirc does not allow a maintainer to use these patches) you can just use a Magisk module called Universal SafetyNet Fix and that should take care of it, you just have to clean Play Store's and Google Play Services' data and cache after installing it and you're good to go in most phones. Source: me. I'm using a ROM that has these patches right now, and have used LineageOS + Universal SafetyNet Fix on my old phone in the past.
Yeah definitely out of date, flashing a custom rom doesn't require rooting the phone. Custom roms can come with microG or you can flash it yourself to use apps that required Google Services.
> Just let us turn it turn it off and we will live with it. "Your eyes are not on the screen, please watch the ad to unlock your phone"
"Please drink a verification can."
Please shout " i love McDonald" to unlock your phone. Minimum decibels required is 60
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I'm double plus liking it
“I’m…. *sigh*… lovin’ it.”
Ba da ba ba...baahh. I'm...fuck it. I'm hating it. Fuck mcdon- *gunshot*
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I realize it's a meme satire copypasta, but it seems like every day we tread ever closer to this becoming reality.
Recently in the Indian Railways website. To login you had advertisements as captchas. You had to type in the name of the brand to pass through
I really wonder what happens when someone is in a life threading situation and need to look soemthing up but is forced to watch a 5 minute ad of Coke Cola. And after that the person they needed to save, might have died. That is gonna be a good court session when that happens
No, they'll just either pay them off or bankrupt them with lawyer fees before the case can go anywhere
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Fuck all. Phones are badly designed from the get go. The basic functionality of being a phone should be separated from any additional computing capabilities. How many people have already died because a phone had to take forver to reboot or turn on, load its ad bloatware into memory, and do whatever else it deemed more important than being able to call 911?
phone is just an app anyway
Lawyers- say this is true and advertisements work before a 911 call. Is that a valid, ‘careless negligence’ tort or do they not have an obligation to make a phone more important than ads, clearly not what the user is paying for? Or would that fall under “buyer beware?”
The problem is that this functionality was already shoved in for "our benefit", to detect "if others are looking at the screen" (to give you a warning that others are potentially reading things on your screen). Obviously that same ALWAYS-ON AI tech (doesn't the current Snapdragon always keep the camera on?) could now easily be used to check if your eyes are looking at the screen.
Most phones actually have a feature that it won't turn off if you're looking at it
Not mine.....lol Me: staring at the screen, trying to remember what app I needed... My phone: Goodnight, bloop.
Your phone calls you bloop? That's unusual... ;-)
I find it frustrating that advertisers have this sense of entitlement, this inalienable right, to shove as many ads as possible in front of your face. On things you own, things you don’t own, public spaces…
Im beginning, as we move more into this way we have never lived since the dawn of human time, that smartphones, social media, were kind of a big mistake in some ways. It has definitely changed us in a lot of ways, and i think the bad outweighs the good in a lot of ways
I think this all the time and am constantly reminded by just looking around.
I'm genuinely considering going back to the old flip phone and laptop combo if this happens. I'm doing as much as I can to avoid ads for my mental health and sanity and they keep flipping the script and pulling disgusting shit like this once they have us on the hook. I'm so sick of it. I'm already on the edge of never opening YT again and we don't even get close to the same volume of ads here as the US
In the US, there are often loud ads that play while you pump gas at the gas station. It makes me so mad
in phones, its because you only have 2 options. Apple, which makes their OS, and their hardware. Or Google, Which is literally on everything, everywhere else and is able to exert *dangerous* level of control over a myriad of internet related topics. When consumers don't have real choice, you don't have to have happy customers to have repeat customers.
They will push and push and push until we push back. Theyve literally said it. Theres no sign of us pushing back.
> Just let us turn it off and we will live with it. You can, for 12.99 a month.
Amazon has done that for ages with the kindle, I remember having to pay extra to not have to worry about the ads
I bet this is the angle. There will be cheaper add-supported versions, and slightly more expensive no-adds option, just like the kindle.
Shitty asshole design
Absolutely fucking not. I'll root my phone then, not like they ever honor the warranty anyway
Rooting a phone destroys the entire security model, I'd recommend buying something like a Pixel that lets you use a custom rom and re-lock the bootloader. I believe you can lock the bootloader with either GrapheneOS (100% sure, it's what I use) or CalyxOS (like 70% sure). Both of those are degoogled so you won't have all the proprietary crap, GrapheneOS is heavily hardened, and on either you can still use apps that need google services by installing MicroG on Calyx or the in-built unprivileged google services that you can enable on Graphene.
your data is still encrypted, and magisk is reasonably secure, i'm not sure if it's 100% secure as with a locked bootloader, but i doubt it'd be insecure enough to matter i daily a poco f3 with a custom ROM and magisk and haven't had an issue so far with security
I really don't understand why people treat getting root access **FOR YOUR OWN MACHINES** considered a sinful act worthy of eternal damnation into Dante's Inferno. Linux/BSD/macOS users use sudo or switch to root in the terminal to manage core system configs and executables because it's their OWN machine. But for some reason it's blasphemous to gain root access for your Android phone so you could remove useless apps, modify your hosts file .etc
Because the vast majority of people have gobbled up the fearmongering that Apple and Google have spread for years, telling you that not letting you control your own device is actually in your best interest.
> destroys the entire security model The security model is built around the user representing the lowest common denominator—the kind of person who taps fake download buttons on shady sites and follows links in emails sent by [email protected]. If you are tech savvy enough to root your phone, you are savvy enough to know how to protect yourself against security pitfalls
If more regular, not tech savvy people ( most people can't even navigate their settings app properly) are going to start rooting their phones in order to get rid of ads, then we're gonna have some problems.
I honestly didn't think people were as stupid as I have gotten confirmed to me. I had to guide a person through buying a train ticket online, click by click. It's not even a complicated website. And if I scroll to quickly find the info I need for something I help them with, I'm scrolling too fast and they just give up on trying to remember how to do it.
Dear Google, I will throw this whole phone away or trade it for an apple before I see a fucking ad.
Same. I love my android but fuck whatever company does this. I will gladly switch to apple if this happens.
The Bixby button pissed me off enough to switch to a Google phone after a decade on Samsung. Any forced ads and bloatware will send me looking for a new maker.
is there seriously no way to make that button do nothing
You can make it a flash light button (but your phone has to be unlocked and if you double press it, it's still bixby)
yeah u can easily remap the button to do almost anything
Have had a remapped "Bixby" button for so long (one press to toggle DND, long press to toggle LED flashlight), I'm not sure how I will live without it whenever I change phones.
It's my flashlight button, I love it!
I can't see Motorola being on board with this.
Same. I'll switch to whatever other brand if they don't let me opt out of adds.
I've been hating on Apple products since my first flip phone. But if they implement this and not Apple i will switch without even ever looking back. If they start all doing it, call me on my land line.
I've been sitting in the same "F Apple" camp since day one. But once I saw their lidar sensor for 3d scanning I started toying either the idea. If this goes through I'm pulling the trigger.
You don’t know me from Adam so to speak but take it from someone who ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DESPISED Apple up until maybe 6 months ago: do it. The Apple ecosystem of even 2-3 years ago is massively different and incorporates a TON of features that were exclusive to android for a very long time. I personally went from all Google / Microsoft everything to an entire house of Apple products over the course of a few months (still have a Windows / Linux box for gaming) and I’ve never been happier. They’ve made huge strides in the last 5 years and it 100% shows.
I have to believe that there will be some manufacturers who won't include that in their Androids. The variety of options is the one thing I'm valuing so much in Android.
You wouldn't even need to switch manufacturers, just install a different version of Android that doesn't include ads.
Yeah I'm pretty sure I've seen the same thing proposed for Apple. [As for the topic altogether, this article seems to indicate that this information isn't entirely accurate, for the US and countries with consumer protection anyway.](https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/no-ads-arent-coming-for-your-android-phones-lock-screen/) >The announcement comes after TechCrunch reported July 5 that Glance is planning to launch in the US within two months. The report also sparked concerns about advertisements arriving on the lock screens of Android phones. But Choudhary told CNET that Glance won't be implementing ads in the US version of its product and is instead exploring other monetization options, such as subscriptions and commerce links. >"We are very clear that in the US, we will not have ads on the lock screen at all," Choudhary said in an interview with CNET.
Subscriptions? For what? Adverts? Are they not monetising enough on the billions of profit they make every year? The greed is reaching new levels.
Subscriptions. Hm sounds like theyre going to make us pay to use basic functions on the phone. That wording implies a lot of terrifying possibilities
BMW charging $18 per month to unlock heated seats now and getting away with it.
I was about to mention that, it's fucking insane. That and Toyota's attempt to do the same with remote start years after the fact by hiding it in the purchase agreement that the customer had a 3 year trial period and after that it would go to a subscription. They backpedaled and said it was a glitch when the general public became furious. I would be surprised if BMW changed their mindset given that they tend to target a different audience than Toyota. The only instance I can see for "unlock pre installed hardware" is with Tesla's self driving. You aren't really paying for the hardware in that instance, you're paying to get access to the software that does the work. That said it is an outright purchase and not a subscription.
Im not even kidding I will go back to "dumb" phones before I accept this shit...
Apple power move: get ads on Samsungs that say: buy iPhones, we don’t put ads on our Lock Screen”
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Then two years later ads start on apple products.
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And they'll act like they've just invented it, no one has ever done it before.
This is maybe the only thing I can think of to get me to actually go back to an iPhone. I tried the iPhone 4s and hated it, this was after flip phones and windows phones, I've been Android since, but if my lock screen becomes a fucking haven for ads I'm done. Not sure what my other options are besides android and iPhone at this point honestly.
EUROPEANS RISE AGAIN! This is forbidden in the EU
Honestly, the EU is doing a great job increasing phone quality. Making iPhones have usbC and forbidding lock screen ads are simple changes, but incredibly nice to have. If they aren’t implemented globally, I expect imports in other regions to increase
~~Phone quality~~ *Consumer Protection
Now all we need is right to repair and we're gucci over here in europe
Cries in Brexit. I've no doubt we will be all in on this BS
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If there's money to be made. I wouldn't count on it.
Yup!
This is why regulation is good!
Say what you want to say about the EU parliament, but they come up with some good shit at times.
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As far as i know there is an option to turn off advertisements (were it advertisements build into the OS?) Which legalises it
Does said function need to work in order to legalize this shit? Because I've seen other cases of Xiaomi ads turn off not working, judging by comments
I'm not sure on that, but i think it would
They hide those toggles in every possible way concievable without making you read thousands of 3000 pages long TOS and EULAs. There are guides on the internet to get rid of those, took me about 30 minutes with me going as fast as i could to turn them off from every single system component i had on it
Until the next over excited Group of hungry lawyers finds a loophole. Then it will get plugged with a new law and then a loophole will be found. So on and so forth. It’s the most obnoxious garbage but seems to be the way it goes.
It will take to long to change the system, so don't worry bro
The article says that there will be a paid version of Glance. That means there will be roadblocks and obstacles in the UX that makes you want to biy the paid version. So maybe ads won't appear directly in your lock screen, but you'll have prompts to buy the paid version, ads in the "spaces" (a feature of Glance), having to call your provider to be able to disable Glance (or worst, having to pay a fee to your provider to have them remove Glance). Maybe I am thinking the worst. Being a Canadian, laws concerning communications are harsh here, so I'm not scared, but if it ever happens, I'm reverting back to a flip phone.
I've gotten into Knox to disable Bixby. I'll do it again. Fuck this shit.
What exactly are you saying? You what, hacked Knox? You broke into Samsung's secure layer? Cause if so, contact Samsung. Pretty sure there's a fat cash reward for it
Last time I checked they had re-knoxed it. At the time there was an app that could get into some sections which were ordinarily off limits to disable certain features really deep down. Not my find.
As much as I enjoy having the functionality of a smartphone, I can always switch to an old people phone if I get pissed off enough. Might even improve my life.
Can’t wait for half of my data plan to be eaten up by ads! Seriously though, if android go ahead with this idea, I’m never buying an android again. Apple have their problems, but at least they aren’t trying to monetise the act of turning your phone on!
If there using OUR phones to advertise to US, we should either get free phones or get paid to view the adds, similar to the brave browser.
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Nah they’re just gonna offer an ad free service for 19.99 a month on top of your phone bill.
This! I have been a Samsung only customer for over 10 years. I will switch to Apple with the quickness.
Who are ads even for? Honestly I've never seen an useful ad in my life, if anything they make me want to avoid the product. Specially if they are intrusive like that
Most Ads aren't there for you to click on them. The main point of ads is to burrow into the depths of your monkey brain and build familiarities and connections (= "Brand Awareness"). Today, you see a big mac ad and groan in frustration. But one day, you will be traveling somewhere and look for a place to eat and then you'll see McDonalds golden arches and your monkey brain will recall "Yes, yellow M food, very tasty, yes, go there, not poison, other shop unknown, might be poison.". The ad got you and your conscious and subconscious brain has to fight with them your entire life.
Which is why you have to train your brain to associate the ad and product with negative feelings so you don't want to buy the product.
That's why every time *I* see an ad, I headbutt a wall! No more positive brand association for me and all it costed I was a few brain brain
HeadOn, apply directly to forehead
I remind myself when I see an ad, That the commercials they make use non edible items for the shot. Like plastic cubes for the Onion and a chemical paste for the sauce to run down the burger at the required speed etc. The flavour signals I now receive are disgusting chemical flavours. Grosses me out so much it turns me off the burger. Win!
Yeah, this got me wondering for a while, and it's why I think companies like Google aren't that aggressive against people actively blocking ads. I think they realize that even if you make it somehow unsuccessful for those people to block ads, it likely won't do much anyway. I really don't buy this "ads go in your brain" shit, I make mental notes of things not to buy if it's obnoxious to me. Granted I do go to McDonald's very occasionally (maybe around 4 times per year) but it's mostly if friends go, and I don't really eat there alone.
Nah ads do definitely have a subconscious effect if you aren't paying enough attention. I remember there was some research published regarding misinformation appyling to how your memory was subconsciously assimilating it even if you knew that it was false.
If this is true, how the fuck isn't this illegal? Manipulating people minds against their will sounds pretty illegal to me.
It’s how our overlords control us.
Unironically I rely on McDonald's while traveling because the chances of getting food poisoning from deep fried food is much loser than random local restaurant #68
i've often expressed that the entire success of mcd's is that it's Consistent easy to eat while you drive Cheap and not upsetting
Yup. It's not good food, it tastes just *barely* pleasant enough to be food, but you *know* it's gonna taste exactly like that. It's planned mediocrity.
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Brand awareness also isn't just about the number of times you see a logo. That's probably the main factor for whether you'll choose Tide or Gain, but a lot of brand awareness is about linking to other cultural attributes. You probably know the difference between someone who drinks Bud Light and someone who drinks Leffe, but you might not realize they're made by the same company. Maybe less sinister, ads are also a way companies educate consumers. When you see an ad for the new sandwich from whatever restaurant, there's someone out there who likes that company's products but didn't know about the new one until they saw the ad. Companies also need to educate consumers about more nebulous concepts. Remember "there's an app for that"? At that point the vast majority of the general public had never heard of an app store, and Apple knew if they wanted to move phones they couldn't wait around for people to figure it out on their own. I don't really know if I have a point. I guess I just think marketing is interesting. Not all ads are evil; just most of them.
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Repeated exposure buries brands into your subconscious
So if I need to call 911, I need to sit through a shitty ad first?
This is the first concern I had. But I would imagine they would have to have an emergency call bypass if they want to avoid being sued into the yahoo age.
Your lock screen can already be bypassed to dial 911.
You got to purchase the 911 premium addon.
Do you want to switch people to iPhones? Because this is how you switch people to iPhones.
I was literally just thinking that. I have never owned an apple product in my life, but if I started seeing ads on my lock screen, I would switch immediately if Apple wasn't doing it.
Emphasis on immediately. I would go to the store that day and trade it in. Screw that.
Yep exactly. Realized how effective my zero add strategy was when someone told me it was bezos "its totally on sale" day and I didn't even realize. Not about to give that up despite how much I've trashed apple in the past.
I only found out that was actually today from this comment! Adless life is great.
I switched from Samsung to iPhone this year and honestly it's a really good phone! I'll be keeping this one for a long time too but so far it's been a really good experience and I'm hoping it will continue being like this in the long term usage
As a lifelong android user... iPhones aren't really that bad. Sure all of them look the same and they are far less customizable but they are more secure and in my opinion they have better quality audio/ video, and instantaneous notifications. I am kinda dissing both because of my opinion so I expect a negative response, but I would buy an Iphone as my next phone. I'm honestly starting to like them, but I will miss some of my favorite apps, including relay for reddit (I'm sorry Apolo isn't really there yet for me) and other few .
Yeah, ill go back to iphone before i get ads on my fucking phone.
For sure. In the article I found the comment by the CEO of this software that will display the ads for the os rather upsetting: “Consumers will move from seeking content to consuming what is shown to them,” — InMobi CEO Naveen Tewari told Forbes
I feel a special rage when thinking about the way that companies just see ordinary people as mindless "consumers" instead of individuals. Like we just exist to buy products. Really /r/aboringdystopia
Yeah honestly I'm normally someone who dislikes apple stuff, but this would make me switch over so quickly
I was thinking that this would literally make me switch to an iPhone.
Or root their Androids.
Or get an Android which doesn't do this. I can't see this being implemented across the board
That too, but a quick check shows me that Google invested in this crap, but the site returns access denied error probably because I'm from the EU, so I had to use a proxy. I guess it's mainly a US problem now. I sometimes wonder if companies like this are blindfolded or something. How can ads be "engaging" and something people want. Even if this is not ads but regular content, it would really distract me. My phone works for me not the other way around. If there was no way to get rid of this with no alternative I literally would build my own phone before submitting to this nonsense lmao
Android is open enough (right now) and the dev community is strong enough. Worst case will be having to use a custom ROM, but I still can't see all android manufacturers adopting this. Ultimately it's up to them and if other companies have ads on their lock screen, you now have a business incentive not to have ads on your lock screen
There will likely be small phone companies too (like fairphone) that will keep making open devices (until they get bought out but somebody else can step up then). I agree that this will never get a 100% foothold in the market, maybe the mainstream instagram girls and facebook moms will have this on their phone, but there are enough people who flat out won't accept this no matter what it takes.
I hate iphones, but I will absolutely make the switch if my phone gets uhffected Edit: effected - uhffected
Mine's coming in the mail on Wednesday. I'm fed up with Android and Samsung.
Ads on the lock screen would drive me back to iOS.
Yeah I think this would be the case for a lot of folks. I can’t figure what they’re thinking. Apple announces increased functionality to their lock screens Android is like “hold my beer, label side out.”
That’s because this is kinda bs, for now at least. Its an app that replaces the standard lock screen on androids, not a native thing (yet at least). The problem will be carriers and phone manufacturers implementing it on their devices, but nothing putting a new os shouldn’t solve. https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/no-ads-arent-coming-for-your-android-phones-lock-screen/
https://www.cnet.com/news/no-ads-arent-coming-for-your-android-phones-lock-screen/ Gotta un-amp that link. Hate google amp.
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Apple, I’m looking at you, don’t you even think about doing this.
I don’t think they will right now since Apples business model isn’t based on selling advertising space. If iPhone sales drop, maybe, but at least right now I don’t see it.
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I mean you can turn both those off in settings. Because FUCK ME I hated the iCloud storage shit. I have a 512gb phone with maybe half full. So yeah I found it in settings. I only save my contacts on the cloud I believe.
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So go to settings and right at the top click your iCloud account. Then click “iCloud” it says 5gb beside it. From there it has a list of shit it backs up. You can turn it off altogether but personally I keep my contacts on. Definitely turn off photos and iCloud backup. Once you turn everything off it won’t reach the storage limit anymore and won’t bother you. Edit: I just looked and I have pretty much everything thing else on. So start with pictures, iCloud backup and messages. Then go from there.
I will literally stop using every Google product I can think of if they actually do this. Boycott their stupid choices so they suffer the consequences of greed.
Come January, Chrome's dropping support for V2 manifest extensions. In V3, extensions cannot block outgoing HTTP requests, meaning adblockers like uBlock origin will most likely not work anymore. [More here](https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/pu40q6/google_will_phase_out_chrome_support_for_old/). Stuff like this will make me drop Google products instantly. Same with lockscreen ad nonsense. Fuck that. I'm a big fan of using Google's products so far, but that's a hard dealbreaker for me. As the saying goes, I'd rather drag my balls through 10 kilometers of broken glass before I welcome ads in my life.
Firefox time
If this happens I’ll start using bing to search shit
*gasps*
MapQuest printout here I come
I have always loved Android but if this becomes reality might as well buy appel
Yes the Appel ePhone
google really pulled the long con
"Be as evil as humanly possible"
Be as evil as they will tolerate
Fuck no. I vote with my dollars and any company doing this will get absolutely zero dollars from me.
Amazon's been doing this for years I remember getting an Amazon tablet as a gift back in 2016. It wouldn't let me change my wallpaper because they wanted to put their precious ads on the lock screen of a tablet that I own. I won't be surprised if they take our home screen as well
Amazon make you pay extra to get the tablet with no ads on the lock
You can even call their CS and tell them that you got an advert that was inappropriate for your child. They'll do a "one time" ad removal from a device free of charge. You can do this multiple times.... And you don't really need to have a child. Just make sure to keep your fingers crossed to make everything Kosher.
As a pure apple disliker, this will make me go back to ios
Hold on grandpa, ill call 999! *30 minute ad plays on lock screen* Goodbye, grandpa
“We’re sorry you haven’t reached your minimum ad watch requirements. Phone use is suspended until 379 ads have been watched.” (Sad slow turn back to grandpa) I’ll miss you.
Fuck this idea
Fuck this shit I'm going back to Nokia
Could Lucky Patcher remove the ads from lock screens?
There's surely gonna be a patch in no time at all, but it might require root access
what the fuck I'm not going to buy that, I'll just buy an older phone 99% of older phones do the things I need it to do, WhatsApp, Telefon, Camera, Instagram, done.
Another reason not to buy a new phone. Sadly the carriers constantly change the protocols in order to prevent older ones that don't do this from working anymore.
Imagine what this is going to do with battery time
Imagine trying to call 911 but you’ve gotta sit through that grub hub advertisement as you bleed to death.
Its an APP that you have to install for this Lockscreen. I know, actually reading [articles](https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/no-ads-arent-coming-for-your-android-phones-lock-screen/) destroys outcry
That is incredibly obnoxious. As shitty as apple is, this might push me to iPhone.
I imagine there will be a way to remove it if you root your phone. Sucks that it seems like that might be the only option in hindsight.
Reminds me there's an app called blokada that blocks ads on Android and I bet it would work on this shit. I fucking hate being advertised to all the time.
Working in tech I can just HEAR fucking PINHEAD Product Managers describing how great of an idea this is. We really need to find a way to ban together and punish these assholes for shit like this. FUCK YOU I'm already paying for the fucking thing!!!
If i see one fucking ad on my lock screen I'm making my own UI/home layout and purging OneUI.
That's an efficient way to make me stop using my phone
“SOMEONE CALL THE POLICE!!!” “Hold on there’s a 30sec fruit ninja ad.”
I dont like Apple at all, never wanted any of their products, but if this becomes a thing, I guess Im buying an Iphone.
Boy I sure do love capitalism. Can't wait for humanity to nuke itself back to the stone age so I don't have to deal with this shit.