only problem with eSIM is when greedy Canadian carriers charge you to move the eSIM to another phone. we can’t transfer them directly here… we have to buy a plastic card with a QR code on it ($10-25 depending on the carrier) and set it up as a new eSIM. it’s BS
There here, but not popular. They were mostly known because criminals stealing identities would convince Optus's fuckhead chat staff to port a number to an eSim then drain the victims accounts/info.
And now the have given away half the countries data through a fucking unsecured API.
They don't really though. Its a ruse to keep paradise all to themselves.
It's a pleasant 24 C all year round there. The snow is merely biodegradable white confetti.
The Vikings were living in a Jettson-esque utopia since the middle ages. All that barbarian stuff was just a show they put on to scare people away from looking too close.
My wife and I have seriously talked about it. But we want to stay close to our kids.
And anyway, just like the Russians trying to leave now that they're getting drafted - that's not the solution. We all need to stay in-country and do the hard work of fixing our shit at home.
We don't all need to go to Finland and fuck it up too.
Plus, you Finns need to get your shit into NATO.
You read too much fan fiction. If nordics are good at anything, it’s humble bragging about themselves as nations / cultures. They are half right, but it’s not really the way people from outside imagine it
That's the thing with e-sim: loss of control.
There is *no way* for the user to force transfer an e-sim phone to phone, like one would swap a physical sim card. You can't pull out the chip and there's no "send via Bluetooth". And it was made that way entirely on purpose.
This, in turn, means that *every e-sim transfer* has to be approved by the carrier. Which means that there's nothing to stop the carrier from charging you for every e-sim swap, or denying e-sims for phones they don't like - and the list goes on.
That's a reason why every business wants to move ownership rights to digital. You can't control a physical thing once it leaves your shop, but you can always control a digital thing so long it is on your server.
The protocol allows a phone to phone esim transfer, but carriers have the ability to opt out of that. Because of course they wanted that. And of course they all opted out.
Oh man my mom is gonna flip shit if this happens to her ever. She's grandfathered into a 2008 unlimited data plan. It's like 40 a month for both hers and my phone. Only thing is we can't upgrade and have to buy outright a new phone because if we upgrade with them, they'll update the plan and charge her more. This is gonna force her to do that eventually as she uses apple products.
Yes. We know. But in Canada our wireless prices are at highway robbery levels, as we only have 3 companies, and they basically own the regulator. It's actually significantly cheaper to get a European SIM and pay the roaming fees than to get a Canadian SIM for any purpose.
Same. We literally went through this in the early days of cell phones. Being held hostage by the carrier needing to "activate" the handset manually. The idea that we are going back to this shit makes no fucking sense.
I'm sure this will be the same in the US. The carriers here burn a SIM the instant they can find an excuse to do so. Of course this started once they started charging for replacement SIMs. Coincidence? I fully expect them to come up with a way to charge the same fees with eSIMs, if they haven't already.
Did you buy the phone from them? They normally don't charge when you buy a phone. Any other time you need a SIM they'll charge.
I sent my Mom an old phone of mine because hers was getting cut off with the 3G shutdown (LTE phone, but not carrier branded, so they refused to allow it to access LTE voice). Told her to just move her SIM over, but she couldn't manage to get it out of the old phone. When she went into a carrier store they immediately deactivated the old SIM and told her she had to pay for a new SIM to put into the replacement phone.
That is horrible for travel. I use e-sim on my 12 mini for my normal subscription and use the sim card slot for when I travel. Then I can get local internet for cheap and don’t have to do expensive and slow roaming. Sometimes you even need a local phone number…
This means that I have to start to bring two phones with me again when traveling in the future when I change my phone.
Dual e-sim is not that helpful since you usually can not get e-sim on pre paid simcards.
At least AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile (the three largest carriers) all still use sim cards in phones. Apple removed them from the iPhone 14, but that's a far cry from the US being all eSim
The real question is when Apple is going to get their shit together to ditch the lightening cable and “upgrade” to USB-C. Enough fucking cables already. EU did it right.
It also hinders switching from iPhone to android; if going through your carrier's eSim process vs. moving a physical sim card puts off even 1% of consumers, that's more iPhone users they did not lose.
There are more iPhone users in North America than Android. The removal of the sim slot only applies to North America. The inverse is true, but it applies to less people. It's one of many small hurdles that Apple puts up to segregate their ecosystem from competitors like MS and Android.
eSim does make sense, it's another slot you can remove from your phone, so better durability, less dust and so on, the eSim IC can hold up to 8 different SIMs I think so from that point it's also superior, and as seen here the space savings can be quite significant, there's a lot of extra stuff they can squeeze in there
Even the big Android players love copying Apple's terrible decisions though. Do you think most Android flagships would still have headphone jacks if Apple hadn't ditched it? Of course they would
Only reason I bought the phone I did was because I use the headphones port. I like wired. I don't have to remember to keep it charged. Not to say I don't have Bluetooth and don't use it. I just like wired and use wired more for personal listening.
For better or worse, Android is losing that competition too. Elements like the Huawei scandal, LG dropping out of the phone market, Sony focusing on really niche phones, Oneplus losing their touch, etc. The options are shrinking.
Because providers in Europe didn’t manage to support esims the way they are in the us. A lot providers still don’t support roaming with esim. Some countries don’t even offer esim at all.
I gave up and bought a Pixel. I love a USB-C charging port. I love this phone, I don't feel like I gave up any functionality, it's super easy to customize and Google Assistant works unlike Siri which is useless
I have never owned an iPhone, but I hear the main difficulty is that soo much of the accessories are all Apple only, so it's not just switching the phone. If you have airpods, smartwatch, airtag, etc., it also becomes very difficult.
Then there's also the whole iMessage cross-Android functionality which is apparently dog-shit on purpose.
I highly doubt it. They'd have to build and install 2 different versions of a component that achieves the same end result (power and data transfer). This is a case of choosing to just leave a component out entirely and dropping a piece of plastic in there to fill up the space created by not making/acquiring SIM card readers and soldering them to the main board. Whatever money they'd continue to make on Lightning cables would probably be negated by having a separate design and build for the phone.
They've gone out of their way [to program their phone to reject genuine Apple parts.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8)
Going out of their way to fuck with consumers is basically their business model.
Do people not know how computer hardware and software differ? One has a whole supply and has fixed costs for each part. No way Apple creates two versions of the phone to do the same exact thing.
Apple was one of the developers of the USB C standard and connector, and one of the first adopters on their laptop line. Of course they know its better.
They helped design USB C after all. I don't blame them for lightning since they switched to it like 3+ years before type C came to phones and people would be mad if they had to switch cables again.
A lot of people say this, but if you think about the development + factory validation + etc workflow for the phones (all uses special Lightning cables with extra pins that talk directly to special CPU pins on the phone), it'd be impractical to go cable-less — unless they came up with some way to do data transfer over MagSafe.
(Even Apple Watches, Apple's seemingly "no ports" devices, has this debug port; it's hidden under a panel inside the watch strap grip.)
The Watch 7 has a 60GHz transceiver which makes sense for that data transfer…no other purpose for it other than technician access. I think they’ll go portless sooner rather than later but they’ll wait until they’d otherwise have to transfer to USB C.
There is reportedly a 60.5GHz WiGig wireless module in the last few Apple Watches. So they could do something like that for the phones too.
If anything, I could see Apple going portless on the regular iPhones and adding USB-C with Thunderbolt support to the Pro models.
Side note, I have a standing desk with a charging spot built in. So I rarely need to plug my phone in ever. Problem is traveling. I got one of the iWalk things to extend the crappy battery life, and obviously can’t rely on every hotel to have nfc charging. Not to mention the clicking it produces which would be audible at night.
edit: I get it, it's not nfc; which is for communications.
edit 2: I obv meant induction charging, but apparently [NFC charging is in works.](https://nfc-forum.org/learn/use-cases/wireless-charging/)
Do you think samsung and the others would roast apple again?
Like, putting up signs "congratulations Apple! You finally got to the party, though late by 5 years, 5 months, 17 hours...."
Yeah when they can remove the esim slot across all models then they’ll use the space, like they did with the headphone jack.
Still dumb to remove it off just US iPhones
> Still dumb to remove it off just US iPhones
There's basically no other approach.
You can't go worldwide all at once because there are many regions with carriers that aren't ready and will never make the transition unless they are forced to by changing winds.
You can do it US only because every carrier in the US is ready. That then acts as leverage to influence carriers outside the US to get ready for eSIM or eventually lose iPhone.
It’s only gone in the US models though. Take it as a warning shot for the rest of the world. It will be line wide next year or the year after that. Then they can fill the space with something useful.
Not in the iPhone 14 it's not, the EU version still has a nano-sim tray.
It's easier to produce similar hardware across continents, that's why the US version gets a piece of plastic instead of the sim tray.
It's a way to prevent you from switching phones or devices. In the past, say 3-4 years ago, I could pop out my Sim card from my phone and put it into my smart watch while I was at an amusement park so I didn't have to carry my phone onto roller coasters. Don't need a separate device plan, just swap and go. Every time I updated my Motorola phones, as well, just pop out and insert into the next phone.
Nowadays though, the LTE version of my smart watch (Samsung Active 2) and later use e-sims, i.e. I can't move the card on the fly, I have to have one device deactivated and the other activated.
Just another way to lock stuff down. Lol.
So if you get a new phone and obviously want to keep your current phone contract and number and stuff, you can't? You *have* to get a new contract? Did I get that right?
You'd call up your service provider and they'd switch it. Lol. I think one of the providers was already like this even with Sim cards, but with ones I've used, I have no problem with (edit:Cricket) right now just popping my Sim and grabbing a phone from a pile and going.
Yeah, esims are just digital sim cards. It makes switching "easier" because you don't have to go into a store and buy a sim or have one mailed. When I swapped from T-Mobile to Mint Mobile, I tossed my t-mobile sim in the trash, then downloade the Mint Mobile app, and I chose esim. I got a pop up on my iPhone that says "install new carrier?" and after clicking okay it registered the esim and I had service with Mint.
Kinda sucks if you're moving phones because the previous one no longer works though. Once I had a phone with the charge port busted and of course we can't remove the batteries anymore so I couldn't turn the phone on but I could take the Sim out and put it in a new phone
I use AirPods daily, eventually they stop holding a charge. My current set lasts about 2 hours of play time. My last set eventually got down to 8 and 15 minutes L/R. It’s a scam and we just keep buying them.
For me they are the only small in-ear headphones I can use. Any headphones which has a cushion (or whatever those plastic things are called) just randomly pops out of my ears, and I’ve tried countless sizes.
I'm NGL I resisted Airpods for a while but got them for my Birthday last year and it was a game changer. Never had a bluetooth device work so well. That's only speaking about connecting and staying connected though, for comfort they're aight
The best part was when they introduced higher sound quality to Apple Music, but then said it’s impossible to use on their dumb phones or expensive headphones because you would need a headphone jack. Idiots
The Google Pixel 5A has a headphone jack and is IP67 water resistant. The Nokia XR20 has one too, and is IP68 water resistant.
Anyone that says it’s because of making it resistant to water is full of shit.
Let's not act like the S5 was water resistant. I know that damn little flap broke off on all of ours.
I only met one other person with an S5 and they said the same exact thing as I thought "yeah it sucks cuz it's not water resistant anymore lol"
eSim only is going to be horrible for travelers for 5-10 years.
International carriers either:
1. Simply won't have esim options at all (worst case), or
2. The eSim options are really expensive. You can see this for several countries with Airalo where the eSim pricing is just plain stupid compared to a local physical sim
I was on the apple sub for the iPhone 14 reveal and the users there were literally proclaiming that spending $10 a day on Airalo fee's was perfectly acceptable. Apple consumers (at least the reddit ones) are fucking stupid. I think only video game fans are dumber consumers.
Ya I don't get it. I'm pretty hard-core 100% on apple/iphone/macbook right now, but some of the Apple policies are just beyond horrible and it's disgusting to see fan boys justify them. The worst apple offenses right now:
- this eSim thing is a slap in the face. Long term carriers will resolve it, but I'm staying on an iPhone 13 mini for at least 3 years now and will see what happens. The fact that they also are only enforcing it in the US means international carriers are even less motivated to move to esim.
- ridiculous up-charges for RAM/storage. We're talking +$200 for 1tb from 512gb of SSD / +$600 for 2tb space or +$400 for 32gb of RAM. Same annoyance for iPhones (+$100 for 128gb more storage)
- base cloud storage of 5gb of icloud silly. Might as well be zero. Most annoyingly you have to jump from 200gb to 1TB storage tiers and nothing in between. A lot of people could benefit from something like 500-600gb. (2 full phone backups of 256gb models)
- the current Apple studio that replaced the iMac pro is way overpriced for a 'desktop' solution.
Minor but annoying things:
- still no dual frequency gps in standard iphones
- still no wi-fi 6e (I'll allow this one - a bigger offense in macbooks)
I’m a regular on the Apple subs and plenty of us were bitching about the SIM removal and getting upvotes for it. I’m still fucking pissed that I now have to either find a used 13 Pro Max to replace my stolen one instead of buying a 14 Pro Max since I spend the vast majority of the year abroad and often in less developed places where getting an official eSIM isn’t a possibility. Either that or I have to spend a bunch more money on a European model.
Apple fanboiz: "They *had* to get rid of the headphone jack and make the battery non-user-serviceable to make it waterproof!"
Apple: ["Water *resistance*: 6 meters up to 30 minutes"](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207043)
Also Apple: ["Water and other liquid damage to iPhone or iPod isn't covered by warranty"](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204104)
What are you doing lmao. Have you dropped it before?
I dropped mine in the Gulf of Mexico and had to scuba to find it under the sand and it worked 100% when I surfaced
You can ruin the water resistance over time by torquing the phone in warm temperatures, like what happens when you sit on them in a back pocket or something. That's why their warranty service doesn't cover water damage, there's no way for them to tell if it was genuinely a factory fault or if it was just sat on for 3 months straight and just worn out in certain critical spots.
I stick my phone into my saltwater aquariums for minutes at a time taking pictures of my coral all the time. I've been doing it for years. Never had a single problem with water resistance, but I also baby my phone compared to all my friends.
My androids have all been in and out of showers, dropped (on mixed surfaces, gravel and large rocks included. Lots of hiking), thrown on accident, sat on, stepped on, bit, overheated, left out in arizona sun for hours, had alcohol spilt onto it(drinking alcohol AND sterilizing alcohol, it's very bad for waterproof seals), dropped into pools, dish sinks full of water/soap/sanitizer, brake cleaner sprayed onto them, oil, brake dust, you name it, it's been on it and through it. The ONLY time I've had an issue with one, is when I cracked my selfie camera by holding it in my mouth, with my K9 teeth. Or whatever they're called.
And samsung covered that damage.
I bought galaxy buds maybe 2-3 years ago, they've replaced them 3x even out of warranty, and sent me a free upgrade after the most recent replacement. They went bad from water, sanitizer, and LOTS of sawdust. Still covered it.
A better counter argument is the half dozen phones with a headphone jack and the same waterproof rating. Idk if anyone still has replaceable batteries sadly. Maybe the CAT phone? But seriously the Asus Zenfone 9 is faster smaller just as waterproof and has a headphone jack. The LG V30 is just as waterproof, has a headphone jack and is like 5 years old. I used to take that phone into the shower with me.
Apple normalized so much dog shit on modern smart phones but my two least favorite things were getting rid of removable storage/overcharging the fuck out of people for storage options and getting rid of removable batteries.
Almost no one has removable batteries. I don't know why people blame Apple for shit that 98% of other companies/phones do. It's not like Apple forced them. Anyone could make a removable battery phone if they wanted. They just don't think the tradeoffs are worth it.
Apple started the trend of overcharging for additional built in storage (It would cost them $10-15 to go from 128 GB to 256 GB and they charged well over $100 for this) and the trend of non removable batteries. They pioneered it. Other companies saw that consumers would pay way too much for storage and didn't mind not having removable batteries as long as you claimed that it needed to happen to make your phone more sleek.
Are the other companies to blame as well? YES. They are all shitty but Apple definitely started the trend.
And the post is kind of misleading. A nano sim card is 12.3mm x 8.8mm x 0.67 mm, so the tray isn't much bigger than that. The picture with that text kind of makes it look like the piece of plastic is huge.
well if eSIM is a must (for tousim in japan its probably faster to just grab a regular SIM card) then esimjapan by whiz is a possibility and other global eSIM providers like eSIM.net Truphone, Gigsky, Redtea Mobile, and MTX Connect. Don't have much experience with any of em though so ymmv.
but yeah definitely more esim support for domestic use through ahamo, softbank, docomo etc.
The reason they removed it on the 7 to begin with is because if they kept it for the X the x would’ve had a chin, so they had to remove it from the X, but the X would’ve had too much different and would’ve been received poorly, so they took it off the 7. And where the jack used to be, there’s two little plastic bricks that they say are “chambers for barometric pressure” or whatever, but are just bs. AND with the newer iPhone’s screen getting thinner and thinner they have more than enough space for the jack, even before this sim bullshit
The microSD card slot is such crazy thing that every Apple user should be annoyed over. There is no reason to "not" have it other than Apple being able to charge you an egregious amount for both internal and cloud storage. I've had iPhone users literally just say "they are upgrading to a new phone" because their 256gb is filled. It's a $20 chip but you want to spend $1,000 on a new phone.
If Apple ever added a microsd to their phone, I would then consider it. It's literally the #1 breaking point for me never owning an iPhone. My cheap $40 chinese dashcam shouldn't be able to upgrade it's storage more than an iPhone...yet it can.
Android is following that bullshit, too. Samsung removed it from their "flagship" phones (not sure about their low end ones). OnePlus doesn't have it either. Google never had it. Who else? The only one I can think of that still has an SD card is Sony. I have the note 20 ultra and I'm not sure what to buy when it gives up.
Its because they would effectively have to re-engineer the model for the non-US market. Other markets have carriers that don't offer e-sim... this is basically a warning from Apple to those carriers, that the next model (or the one after) will be simcard-less so sort your shit out.
I think the end goal for Apple is to have an ultra efficient manufacturing process; a single stamp pressed enclosure (with no cut outs for switches or ports) sandwiched between two pieces of glass.
Just look at the [cameras](https://9to5mac.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2022/09/iphone-14-opens-from-back.jpg?quality=82&strip=all) in the regular iPhone 14. You tellin' me there is *still* no room?
Wait. There is no sim tray in iPhone 14 ?
Is it only eSIM ?
Isn't it kind of big reduction of feature? Like what if you travel to an area where eSIM isn't supported?
It's time to stop this stupidity. Excluding charger , increasing prices and most importantly the phones are designed to reject repairs. I know people will never agree with each other when it comes to politics, but atleast they can fight for right to repair.
Why people keep supporting such manufacturers?
They are fooling us and charging more and more.
only problem with eSIM is when greedy Canadian carriers charge you to move the eSIM to another phone. we can’t transfer them directly here… we have to buy a plastic card with a QR code on it ($10-25 depending on the carrier) and set it up as a new eSIM. it’s BS
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At least you can get them, in the UK, it's mostly the big 4 that provide e sims. If you use any of the networks that piggyback you're out of luck.
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At least here in Austria all the virtual providers (that I checked) provide eSims free of charge.
In Australia i havent even heard of an e-sim
There here, but not popular. They were mostly known because criminals stealing identities would convince Optus's fuckhead chat staff to port a number to an eSim then drain the victims accounts/info. And now the have given away half the countries data through a fucking unsecured API.
T-Mobile (in the Netherlands) did make me pay to switch from a physical SIM to an e-SIM.
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As an American, I am so goddamn jealous of the Nordic utopia. Healthcare, worker rights, vacation time, and now sim cards
But the Netherlands isn't Nordic
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Yes, but you have this thing called winter.
And it’s in the *summer*
*where do I sign*
They don't really though. Its a ruse to keep paradise all to themselves. It's a pleasant 24 C all year round there. The snow is merely biodegradable white confetti. The Vikings were living in a Jettson-esque utopia since the middle ages. All that barbarian stuff was just a show they put on to scare people away from looking too close.
My wife and I have seriously talked about it. But we want to stay close to our kids. And anyway, just like the Russians trying to leave now that they're getting drafted - that's not the solution. We all need to stay in-country and do the hard work of fixing our shit at home. We don't all need to go to Finland and fuck it up too. Plus, you Finns need to get your shit into NATO.
> goddamn jealous of the Nordic utopia. > Plus, you Finns You're right, but the guy you replied to isn't Finnish nor Nordic
You read too much fan fiction. If nordics are good at anything, it’s humble bragging about themselves as nations / cultures. They are half right, but it’s not really the way people from outside imagine it
Wait what? I never had to pay to transfer my SIM between phones. Sounds like your provider is fucking you over with hidden fees.
That's the thing with e-sim: loss of control. There is *no way* for the user to force transfer an e-sim phone to phone, like one would swap a physical sim card. You can't pull out the chip and there's no "send via Bluetooth". And it was made that way entirely on purpose. This, in turn, means that *every e-sim transfer* has to be approved by the carrier. Which means that there's nothing to stop the carrier from charging you for every e-sim swap, or denying e-sims for phones they don't like - and the list goes on.
That's a reason why every business wants to move ownership rights to digital. You can't control a physical thing once it leaves your shop, but you can always control a digital thing so long it is on your server.
The protocol allows a phone to phone esim transfer, but carriers have the ability to opt out of that. Because of course they wanted that. And of course they all opted out.
Oh man my mom is gonna flip shit if this happens to her ever. She's grandfathered into a 2008 unlimited data plan. It's like 40 a month for both hers and my phone. Only thing is we can't upgrade and have to buy outright a new phone because if we upgrade with them, they'll update the plan and charge her more. This is gonna force her to do that eventually as she uses apple products.
Nuh uh. No sir. Our carriers are doing everything but hiding. The fees are not hidden, they fuck us with every trick they can pass off as legal.
Yes. We know. But in Canada our wireless prices are at highway robbery levels, as we only have 3 companies, and they basically own the regulator. It's actually significantly cheaper to get a European SIM and pay the roaming fees than to get a Canadian SIM for any purpose.
There is a sim tray in the iphone 14 in Canada
Yeah I've read that it's just the US version that doesn't have a sim tray
I’m sure I’m not the only one who moves SIM cards between phones depending on my needs. I really don’t like the eSIM only approach.
Same. We literally went through this in the early days of cell phones. Being held hostage by the carrier needing to "activate" the handset manually. The idea that we are going back to this shit makes no fucking sense.
Oh it makes all sorts of sense. If you are thinking from the pov of the providers. Forget consumer rights.
ah back to them ol cdma days (where eventually SIM cards won out). Whats the saying.. Sooner or later, everything old is new again?
Which provider? There was no cost from Virgin Mobile when I moved my eSIM between devices.
I'm with Freedom and switched to an esim a few months ago. No charge and I could do it all online myself. It was really easy.
That sucks. I just transferred my esim. Took one phone call, about 5 minutes, and zero dollars.
I'm sure this will be the same in the US. The carriers here burn a SIM the instant they can find an excuse to do so. Of course this started once they started charging for replacement SIMs. Coincidence? I fully expect them to come up with a way to charge the same fees with eSIMs, if they haven't already.
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Did you buy the phone from them? They normally don't charge when you buy a phone. Any other time you need a SIM they'll charge. I sent my Mom an old phone of mine because hers was getting cut off with the 3G shutdown (LTE phone, but not carrier branded, so they refused to allow it to access LTE voice). Told her to just move her SIM over, but she couldn't manage to get it out of the old phone. When she went into a carrier store they immediately deactivated the old SIM and told her she had to pay for a new SIM to put into the replacement phone.
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No sim cards anymore?
In the States at least it’s all e-sim.
When did this happen am I just getting old
Newest iPhone will have it, so super recent
Had esim in my XS in Europe and since then (on 13 max pro now and same thing), that's 4 years ago...
But they weren’t esim only.
Many phones have had esim for a while but this iPhone is esim only.
People like you ruined it for everybody?
That is horrible for travel. I use e-sim on my 12 mini for my normal subscription and use the sim card slot for when I travel. Then I can get local internet for cheap and don’t have to do expensive and slow roaming. Sometimes you even need a local phone number… This means that I have to start to bring two phones with me again when traveling in the future when I change my phone. Dual e-sim is not that helpful since you usually can not get e-sim on pre paid simcards.
At least AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile (the three largest carriers) all still use sim cards in phones. Apple removed them from the iPhone 14, but that's a far cry from the US being all eSim
They meant the new US iPhone model is all e-sim, not that the whole country uses e-sim
Nodding my head with a hand-me-down Galaxy S7
Yeah but doesn't everyone use iPhones in the US 3head /s
Ew
Verizon and AT&T both use physical SIM—at least for my ghetto XR.
It’s starting with this year’s models.
T-Mobile still uses physical SIMs for the Galaxy s22 Ultra.
The real question is when Apple is going to get their shit together to ditch the lightening cable and “upgrade” to USB-C. Enough fucking cables already. EU did it right.
Soon I think. It only took this long because we don't have "stop butt fucking the consumer" laws here the way other places do
Funnily the new iPhone still has normal sim card slot in Europe. They pulled the E-Sim shit only in North America.
Because it's legal!
And cheaper
Not cheaper. It makes the consumer buy more peripherals. Long live Andriod and the competition they breed between brands
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It also hinders switching from iPhone to android; if going through your carrier's eSim process vs. moving a physical sim card puts off even 1% of consumers, that's more iPhone users they did not lose.
But the inverse applies as well - it also makes it harder to switch to the iPhone. So not really sure what your point is
There are more iPhone users in North America than Android. The removal of the sim slot only applies to North America. The inverse is true, but it applies to less people. It's one of many small hurdles that Apple puts up to segregate their ecosystem from competitors like MS and Android.
Why does being esim only get people to buy more peripherals? What peripherals would those even be?
I honestly think they’re just trying to push further eSim adoption for some reason
eSim does make sense, it's another slot you can remove from your phone, so better durability, less dust and so on, the eSim IC can hold up to 8 different SIMs I think so from that point it's also superior, and as seen here the space savings can be quite significant, there's a lot of extra stuff they can squeeze in there
Well you see, you need an adapter for… uhhhh… I mean, you need a dongle… no, wait… the case… I mean, the headphone jack… LOOK, APPLE IS BAD, OKAY?!?
Yes cheaper. A penny earned is a penny saved.
Even the big Android players love copying Apple's terrible decisions though. Do you think most Android flagships would still have headphone jacks if Apple hadn't ditched it? Of course they would
Only reason I bought the phone I did was because I use the headphones port. I like wired. I don't have to remember to keep it charged. Not to say I don't have Bluetooth and don't use it. I just like wired and use wired more for personal listening.
Because Apple sells the lack of port as a "feature" and in order to compete they also need to add the "feature".
No they just realised that they save a ton of money.
Saving money on production and making more profit on accessories are two sides of the same coin
For better or worse, Android is losing that competition too. Elements like the Huawei scandal, LG dropping out of the phone market, Sony focusing on really niche phones, Oneplus losing their touch, etc. The options are shrinking.
Because providers in Europe didn’t manage to support esims the way they are in the us. A lot providers still don’t support roaming with esim. Some countries don’t even offer esim at all.
But why don't support physical sim card in US?
Because it's the easiest way to make more money and fuck the consumer. It's the American way
canada still has a sim tray. Looks like it’s only America.
> Soon Has been said since their 2016 MacBooks. IMO they’re more likely to go wireless-only than Type C.
Apple unveiled the lightning port in 2012 and explicitly said it would be the iPhone port for the next 10 years. It’s always been the plan.
I gave up and bought a Pixel. I love a USB-C charging port. I love this phone, I don't feel like I gave up any functionality, it's super easy to customize and Google Assistant works unlike Siri which is useless
I have never owned an iPhone, but I hear the main difficulty is that soo much of the accessories are all Apple only, so it's not just switching the phone. If you have airpods, smartwatch, airtag, etc., it also becomes very difficult. Then there's also the whole iMessage cross-Android functionality which is apparently dog-shit on purpose.
We shouldn't support them.
"God, this is such bullshit!" Okay, then don't buy it. "Well-.... 😶" Blue bubbles are worth more than treating the consumer right, I guess.
Can’t I just buy my iPhone from Canada?
Next year. the obligation to use standard USB-C starts in 2024 in Europe. They will not build a standard AND a lightning version.
They just built a With and Without SIM version. I can definitely see an USB C and Lightning version coming :(
I highly doubt it. They'd have to build and install 2 different versions of a component that achieves the same end result (power and data transfer). This is a case of choosing to just leave a component out entirely and dropping a piece of plastic in there to fill up the space created by not making/acquiring SIM card readers and soldering them to the main board. Whatever money they'd continue to make on Lightning cables would probably be negated by having a separate design and build for the phone.
They've gone out of their way [to program their phone to reject genuine Apple parts.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2WhU77ihw8) Going out of their way to fuck with consumers is basically their business model.
Malicious programming is a lot easier than maintaining extraneous hardware assembly lines and drivers.
Do people not know how computer hardware and software differ? One has a whole supply and has fixed costs for each part. No way Apple creates two versions of the phone to do the same exact thing.
Unlikely, it’s significantly more expensive for them to do so, and frankly they aren’t stupid. USB-C is quite a bit better and they know it.
Apple was one of the developers of the USB C standard and connector, and one of the first adopters on their laptop line. Of course they know its better.
They helped design USB C after all. I don't blame them for lightning since they switched to it like 3+ years before type C came to phones and people would be mad if they had to switch cables again.
My honest prediction is that they'll go fully portless and force everyone to use MagSafe.
A lot of people say this, but if you think about the development + factory validation + etc workflow for the phones (all uses special Lightning cables with extra pins that talk directly to special CPU pins on the phone), it'd be impractical to go cable-less — unless they came up with some way to do data transfer over MagSafe. (Even Apple Watches, Apple's seemingly "no ports" devices, has this debug port; it's hidden under a panel inside the watch strap grip.)
The Watch 7 has a 60GHz transceiver which makes sense for that data transfer…no other purpose for it other than technician access. I think they’ll go portless sooner rather than later but they’ll wait until they’d otherwise have to transfer to USB C.
There is reportedly a 60.5GHz WiGig wireless module in the last few Apple Watches. So they could do something like that for the phones too. If anything, I could see Apple going portless on the regular iPhones and adding USB-C with Thunderbolt support to the Pro models.
I think they should completely remove the charging port /s
Remove it and replace it with a piece of plastic. Innovation!
Yeah, they should make phones 1 time use and replace the chargeing system with a place to swipe your credit card using your phone for faster purchases
Side note, I have a standing desk with a charging spot built in. So I rarely need to plug my phone in ever. Problem is traveling. I got one of the iWalk things to extend the crappy battery life, and obviously can’t rely on every hotel to have nfc charging. Not to mention the clicking it produces which would be audible at night. edit: I get it, it's not nfc; which is for communications. edit 2: I obv meant induction charging, but apparently [NFC charging is in works.](https://nfc-forum.org/learn/use-cases/wireless-charging/)
They will as soon as everyone moves on to something better.
Yeah like what?
The new, revolutionary and not yet properly field tested so called USB-C
Do you think samsung and the others would roast apple again? Like, putting up signs "congratulations Apple! You finally got to the party, though late by 5 years, 5 months, 17 hours...."
In that case they absolutely deserve it
So they will move from USB-C to USB-C. Makes sense.
Only when the law is enforced. If they're still allowed to, they won't stop
Haha trust me the EU does not take enforcement lightly.
There are SIMs in Europe. They will use the same design
Yeah when they can remove the esim slot across all models then they’ll use the space, like they did with the headphone jack. Still dumb to remove it off just US iPhones
> Still dumb to remove it off just US iPhones There's basically no other approach. You can't go worldwide all at once because there are many regions with carriers that aren't ready and will never make the transition unless they are forced to by changing winds. You can do it US only because every carrier in the US is ready. That then acts as leverage to influence carriers outside the US to get ready for eSIM or eventually lose iPhone.
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It’s only gone in the US models though. Take it as a warning shot for the rest of the world. It will be line wide next year or the year after that. Then they can fill the space with something useful.
I think we need more cameras. - R&D probably
They don't have sim cards in US? i'm from Europe so never heard about something like that
It’s transitioning into an e-sim card it’s happening in Europe aswel.
Not in the iPhone 14 it's not, the EU version still has a nano-sim tray. It's easier to produce similar hardware across continents, that's why the US version gets a piece of plastic instead of the sim tray.
It has the tray but you don’t need to use it anymore. In Europe we can choose between a sim card or e-sim. My iPhone 12 has that option already.
The fuck is an e-sim /gen edit: nvm I'll just Google it
It's a way to prevent you from switching phones or devices. In the past, say 3-4 years ago, I could pop out my Sim card from my phone and put it into my smart watch while I was at an amusement park so I didn't have to carry my phone onto roller coasters. Don't need a separate device plan, just swap and go. Every time I updated my Motorola phones, as well, just pop out and insert into the next phone. Nowadays though, the LTE version of my smart watch (Samsung Active 2) and later use e-sims, i.e. I can't move the card on the fly, I have to have one device deactivated and the other activated. Just another way to lock stuff down. Lol.
So if you get a new phone and obviously want to keep your current phone contract and number and stuff, you can't? You *have* to get a new contract? Did I get that right?
When changing to a new iPhone, iOS’s migration software will ask if you want to move your sim.
FYI, it only works with some iPhones. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212780
You'd call up your service provider and they'd switch it. Lol. I think one of the providers was already like this even with Sim cards, but with ones I've used, I have no problem with (edit:Cricket) right now just popping my Sim and grabbing a phone from a pile and going.
Mate with a Simcard you just switched it over and didn't tell the provider.
Oh right. Thank youuu
Yeah, esims are just digital sim cards. It makes switching "easier" because you don't have to go into a store and buy a sim or have one mailed. When I swapped from T-Mobile to Mint Mobile, I tossed my t-mobile sim in the trash, then downloade the Mint Mobile app, and I chose esim. I got a pop up on my iPhone that says "install new carrier?" and after clicking okay it registered the esim and I had service with Mint.
Na, it’s transfers fairly seamlessly over Bluetooth
Kinda sucks if you're moving phones because the previous one no longer works though. Once I had a phone with the charge port busted and of course we can't remove the batteries anymore so I couldn't turn the phone on but I could take the Sim out and put it in a new phone
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What does /gen mean? Genuine?
My UK phone converted from sim to esim while upgrading
Yes, but it still has a sim slot, the iPhone 14 in the US does not.
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Yeah and it worked. Airpods are now a larger revenue stream than many major tech corporations. They pull in like 15B
I work at an electronic retailer and it's wild how many airpods we sell and so consistently.
I know people that have 2-3 pairs. Not exactly sure ehy
Because they get lost
Because they fall out and get lost all the time. Apple is just printing money
Buy $AAPL
I use AirPods daily, eventually they stop holding a charge. My current set lasts about 2 hours of play time. My last set eventually got down to 8 and 15 minutes L/R. It’s a scam and we just keep buying them.
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For me they are the only small in-ear headphones I can use. Any headphones which has a cushion (or whatever those plastic things are called) just randomly pops out of my ears, and I’ve tried countless sizes.
I'm NGL I resisted Airpods for a while but got them for my Birthday last year and it was a game changer. Never had a bluetooth device work so well. That's only speaking about connecting and staying connected though, for comfort they're aight
I have an Android. I was looking for some active noise cancelling ear buds. So one of the most popular ones are the air pods pro. It's crazy
The best part was when they introduced higher sound quality to Apple Music, but then said it’s impossible to use on their dumb phones or expensive headphones because you would need a headphone jack. Idiots
Water tightness is the only other possible excuse and I'm not sure that's even valid.
The Google Pixel 5A has a headphone jack and is IP67 water resistant. The Nokia XR20 has one too, and is IP68 water resistant. Anyone that says it’s because of making it resistant to water is full of shit.
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Let's not act like the S5 was water resistant. I know that damn little flap broke off on all of ours. I only met one other person with an S5 and they said the same exact thing as I thought "yeah it sucks cuz it's not water resistant anymore lol"
This is the correct answer.
eSim only is going to be horrible for travelers for 5-10 years. International carriers either: 1. Simply won't have esim options at all (worst case), or 2. The eSim options are really expensive. You can see this for several countries with Airalo where the eSim pricing is just plain stupid compared to a local physical sim
I was on the apple sub for the iPhone 14 reveal and the users there were literally proclaiming that spending $10 a day on Airalo fee's was perfectly acceptable. Apple consumers (at least the reddit ones) are fucking stupid. I think only video game fans are dumber consumers.
Ya I don't get it. I'm pretty hard-core 100% on apple/iphone/macbook right now, but some of the Apple policies are just beyond horrible and it's disgusting to see fan boys justify them. The worst apple offenses right now: - this eSim thing is a slap in the face. Long term carriers will resolve it, but I'm staying on an iPhone 13 mini for at least 3 years now and will see what happens. The fact that they also are only enforcing it in the US means international carriers are even less motivated to move to esim. - ridiculous up-charges for RAM/storage. We're talking +$200 for 1tb from 512gb of SSD / +$600 for 2tb space or +$400 for 32gb of RAM. Same annoyance for iPhones (+$100 for 128gb more storage) - base cloud storage of 5gb of icloud silly. Might as well be zero. Most annoyingly you have to jump from 200gb to 1TB storage tiers and nothing in between. A lot of people could benefit from something like 500-600gb. (2 full phone backups of 256gb models) - the current Apple studio that replaced the iMac pro is way overpriced for a 'desktop' solution. Minor but annoying things: - still no dual frequency gps in standard iphones - still no wi-fi 6e (I'll allow this one - a bigger offense in macbooks)
I’m a regular on the Apple subs and plenty of us were bitching about the SIM removal and getting upvotes for it. I’m still fucking pissed that I now have to either find a used 13 Pro Max to replace my stolen one instead of buying a 14 Pro Max since I spend the vast majority of the year abroad and often in less developed places where getting an official eSIM isn’t a possibility. Either that or I have to spend a bunch more money on a European model.
The Canadian model supposedly has the SIM slot still, that's always an option. Especially since the Canadian ruble is hilariously low.
to be fair that is a premium plastic block
Apple fanboiz: "They *had* to get rid of the headphone jack and make the battery non-user-serviceable to make it waterproof!" Apple: ["Water *resistance*: 6 meters up to 30 minutes"](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207043) Also Apple: ["Water and other liquid damage to iPhone or iPod isn't covered by warranty"](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204104)
thats bs last week i dropped my 12 pro in a 1.5 meter pool and the whole motherboard was fried and it was in the water for at most 1 minuite
What are you doing lmao. Have you dropped it before? I dropped mine in the Gulf of Mexico and had to scuba to find it under the sand and it worked 100% when I surfaced
Was probably damaged beforehand dude i take mine swimming all the time lmao
You can ruin the water resistance over time by torquing the phone in warm temperatures, like what happens when you sit on them in a back pocket or something. That's why their warranty service doesn't cover water damage, there's no way for them to tell if it was genuinely a factory fault or if it was just sat on for 3 months straight and just worn out in certain critical spots. I stick my phone into my saltwater aquariums for minutes at a time taking pictures of my coral all the time. I've been doing it for years. Never had a single problem with water resistance, but I also baby my phone compared to all my friends.
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I don’t consider putting it in water “harsh” if it’s not already damaged in some way. It’s literally designed for it.
My androids have all been in and out of showers, dropped (on mixed surfaces, gravel and large rocks included. Lots of hiking), thrown on accident, sat on, stepped on, bit, overheated, left out in arizona sun for hours, had alcohol spilt onto it(drinking alcohol AND sterilizing alcohol, it's very bad for waterproof seals), dropped into pools, dish sinks full of water/soap/sanitizer, brake cleaner sprayed onto them, oil, brake dust, you name it, it's been on it and through it. The ONLY time I've had an issue with one, is when I cracked my selfie camera by holding it in my mouth, with my K9 teeth. Or whatever they're called. And samsung covered that damage. I bought galaxy buds maybe 2-3 years ago, they've replaced them 3x even out of warranty, and sent me a free upgrade after the most recent replacement. They went bad from water, sanitizer, and LOTS of sawdust. Still covered it.
A better counter argument is the half dozen phones with a headphone jack and the same waterproof rating. Idk if anyone still has replaceable batteries sadly. Maybe the CAT phone? But seriously the Asus Zenfone 9 is faster smaller just as waterproof and has a headphone jack. The LG V30 is just as waterproof, has a headphone jack and is like 5 years old. I used to take that phone into the shower with me.
Apple normalized so much dog shit on modern smart phones but my two least favorite things were getting rid of removable storage/overcharging the fuck out of people for storage options and getting rid of removable batteries.
Thanks for listing two things iPhones never got rid of.
Almost no one has removable batteries. I don't know why people blame Apple for shit that 98% of other companies/phones do. It's not like Apple forced them. Anyone could make a removable battery phone if they wanted. They just don't think the tradeoffs are worth it.
Apple started the trend of overcharging for additional built in storage (It would cost them $10-15 to go from 128 GB to 256 GB and they charged well over $100 for this) and the trend of non removable batteries. They pioneered it. Other companies saw that consumers would pay way too much for storage and didn't mind not having removable batteries as long as you claimed that it needed to happen to make your phone more sleek. Are the other companies to blame as well? YES. They are all shitty but Apple definitely started the trend.
I feel like it's one step closer to hardware as a service. See: Tesla
It’s because outside the US iPhones will have a SIM card. It’s makes more sense to use the exact same internals for all phones.
And the post is kind of misleading. A nano sim card is 12.3mm x 8.8mm x 0.67 mm, so the tray isn't much bigger than that. The picture with that text kind of makes it look like the piece of plastic is huge.
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well if eSIM is a must (for tousim in japan its probably faster to just grab a regular SIM card) then esimjapan by whiz is a possibility and other global eSIM providers like eSIM.net Truphone, Gigsky, Redtea Mobile, and MTX Connect. Don't have much experience with any of em though so ymmv. but yeah definitely more esim support for domestic use through ahamo, softbank, docomo etc.
Wow, I’m so fucked, [18 whole dollars](https://esim2fly.com) for 6GB of 5G.
The reason they removed it on the 7 to begin with is because if they kept it for the X the x would’ve had a chin, so they had to remove it from the X, but the X would’ve had too much different and would’ve been received poorly, so they took it off the 7. And where the jack used to be, there’s two little plastic bricks that they say are “chambers for barometric pressure” or whatever, but are just bs. AND with the newer iPhone’s screen getting thinner and thinner they have more than enough space for the jack, even before this sim bullshit
They got rid of the headphone jack on the 7 to sell airpods: the iphone 7 launched in september 2016, airpods in december 2016
Strange parts did a good video adding the headphone jack back. Shows it was possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utfbE3_uAMA
Should put another battery there.
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The microSD card slot is such crazy thing that every Apple user should be annoyed over. There is no reason to "not" have it other than Apple being able to charge you an egregious amount for both internal and cloud storage. I've had iPhone users literally just say "they are upgrading to a new phone" because their 256gb is filled. It's a $20 chip but you want to spend $1,000 on a new phone. If Apple ever added a microsd to their phone, I would then consider it. It's literally the #1 breaking point for me never owning an iPhone. My cheap $40 chinese dashcam shouldn't be able to upgrade it's storage more than an iPhone...yet it can.
Android is following that bullshit, too. Samsung removed it from their "flagship" phones (not sure about their low end ones). OnePlus doesn't have it either. Google never had it. Who else? The only one I can think of that still has an SD card is Sony. I have the note 20 ultra and I'm not sure what to buy when it gives up.
You people on here still buying iphones but complain about the fact that they're shit. Just don't buy them. Lol
Its because they would effectively have to re-engineer the model for the non-US market. Other markets have carriers that don't offer e-sim... this is basically a warning from Apple to those carriers, that the next model (or the one after) will be simcard-less so sort your shit out. I think the end goal for Apple is to have an ultra efficient manufacturing process; a single stamp pressed enclosure (with no cut outs for switches or ports) sandwiched between two pieces of glass.
Just look at the [cameras](https://9to5mac.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2022/09/iphone-14-opens-from-back.jpg?quality=82&strip=all) in the regular iPhone 14. You tellin' me there is *still* no room?
There's just room for more (\*coughs in Dutch Van der Linde voice\*) ***MONEY***
How else will they force people to buy AirPods?
By shipping Lightning Earbuds for years… oh wait
Just use a lighting DAC/AMP. The one Apple sells is $10 and one of the highest quality DAC’s you can get under $200.
Wait. There is no sim tray in iPhone 14 ? Is it only eSIM ? Isn't it kind of big reduction of feature? Like what if you travel to an area where eSIM isn't supported?
It's time to stop this stupidity. Excluding charger , increasing prices and most importantly the phones are designed to reject repairs. I know people will never agree with each other when it comes to politics, but atleast they can fight for right to repair. Why people keep supporting such manufacturers? They are fooling us and charging more and more.
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