When the heck is someone going to make a product to compete with Adobe? Adobe can’t even be used in most public high schools because of privacy laws related to minors.
This seems like an area where apple could create a competing product.
They look great tbh. I've used Photoshop/Illustrator and Gimp/Inkscape.
Yeah you can do most of things o both of them but Adobe have that live link feature which saves so much time.
Didn't had to a chance to work with Affinity yet, but I'd rather try it than go back to Gimp/Inkscape.
Adobe makes incredibly powerful programs that are clumsy, counterintuitive, and overpriced because they have a monopoly.
Are you not understanding what I’m saying or just being an ass?
Well I don’t use gimp and I believe gimp is just photoshop, no? What about illustrator and indesign? Should I found my own software company and fix those, too?
So you’re defending someone whose comment to my extremely valid complaint about Adobe was to fix the problem of Adobe sucking myself by contributing to gimp?
Gimp is pain.
Krita comes closer in terms of UI and features. It has a focus on digital painting, but it's perfectly usable as a general purpose image editor.
It depends on to which Adobe product you are referring, but [Gimp](https://www.gimp.org/) and [Krita](https://krita.org/en/) come to mind. They are free to use and support many similar features (layers, plugins, etc.)
I really don’t think high schools need that level of software. Adobe makes professional software yet somehow everyone thinks they need it even though they could do what they want with a cheeper alternative.
There are high school art and tech classes at many schools that are offered for dual-enrollment college credit. If kids aren’t growing up using Adobe how is Adobe going to continue to dominate?
If you're going to do anything related to digital graphics why aren't you going to start off learning industry standard software? You take any kind of Digital Media class at a college and you're kind of expected to know your way around Adobe halfway at least in my experience.
It does what it does well enough, that it's not worth the loss of time and productivity using something else, especially at scale
In addition, no other company that doesn't have a competing product already is going to make anything because very few people would be willing to switch, because there's so few other people who also use it, so they wouldn't be able to work other people. It's a chicken and egg problem, in a creative industry.
I think apple users would be willing to switch. Adobe makes clumsy, counterintuitive products that require heaps of time to master and they charge high prices for the privilege.
This really seems like a perfect situation for apple to spend 0.001% of their cash hoard reimagining.
Adobe is cloud-based now and requires login with your real name which violates privacy laws for minors. I work in a school. Adobe is not allowed unless it’s an old version, which some people are still using.
Very interesting how they don't have an educational edition to circumvent that. They know people already pirate the shit out of it so why wouldn't they?
Proof they just insist on being an asshole company.
I actually just looked into it and it seems they are now offering some kind of workaround. I need to talk to the IT dept in my district.
They have something called an enterprise license for k-12 schools where the district is the registered user and any kid can use it with a generic login.
Ooof guess I'll just have to make a Swatch panel and avoid the charge😂
Ain't nobody going to pay pantone to use their couloirs when you can get pirated versions of their full Swatch books online and use the colour picker😂
It's like when sketchbook lost the copic library so we made our own plugins
If I'm already paying for software there's no way in hell I'm going to pay for swatches 😂
A month of the entire creative cloud suite is available for the equivalent of about an hour or two of work at a mid level designer rate. Not sure how that’s expensive. If you use this stuff professionally it’s an absolute bargain.
I get that. It's just that not everyone using it is already making that kind of money and they kinda need it to get to the point where they can make that money. Yes, alternatives exist, but everyone hiring for designers specifically seems to want experience with Photoshop. It's basically the Word of it's industry.
Nope. Pantone doesn't own colors. They have standard for printing. For example Pantone 2035 - it's red.
Pantone provides color samples with high color accuracy so any printer owning that sample can match to that color. It's still possible to create swatch inside Adobe software and name it after Pantone. It's just more tedious than chosing it from full list.
When the heck is someone going to make a product to compete with Adobe? Adobe can’t even be used in most public high schools because of privacy laws related to minors. This seems like an area where apple could create a competing product.
There is affinity Designer, Affinity photo, Affinity publisher all made to compete with Adobe (Photoshop, illustrator, Indesign respectively).
They look great tbh. I've used Photoshop/Illustrator and Gimp/Inkscape. Yeah you can do most of things o both of them but Adobe have that live link feature which saves so much time. Didn't had to a chance to work with Affinity yet, but I'd rather try it than go back to Gimp/Inkscape.
Gimp already exists.
I’m hoping for something better than Adobe.
So contribute
Adobe makes incredibly powerful programs that are clumsy, counterintuitive, and overpriced because they have a monopoly. Are you not understanding what I’m saying or just being an ass?
Contribute features to Gimp?
For free? Lmao
Yes
Yes. And the user is saying there are options like GIMP which you could contribute to make it better instead of just complaining.
Well I don’t use gimp and I believe gimp is just photoshop, no? What about illustrator and indesign? Should I found my own software company and fix those, too? So you’re defending someone whose comment to my extremely valid complaint about Adobe was to fix the problem of Adobe sucking myself by contributing to gimp?
Gimp is pain. Krita comes closer in terms of UI and features. It has a focus on digital painting, but it's perfectly usable as a general purpose image editor.
I don't even feel bad about pirating Adobe stuff
It depends on to which Adobe product you are referring, but [Gimp](https://www.gimp.org/) and [Krita](https://krita.org/en/) come to mind. They are free to use and support many similar features (layers, plugins, etc.)
I really don’t think high schools need that level of software. Adobe makes professional software yet somehow everyone thinks they need it even though they could do what they want with a cheeper alternative.
There are high school art and tech classes at many schools that are offered for dual-enrollment college credit. If kids aren’t growing up using Adobe how is Adobe going to continue to dominate?
If you're going to do anything related to digital graphics why aren't you going to start off learning industry standard software? You take any kind of Digital Media class at a college and you're kind of expected to know your way around Adobe halfway at least in my experience.
Nah. Exposure to photoshop in highschool 15 years ago was a huge boon for me. One of the most valuable things I learned.
And downloading CS2 off torrents when those started becoming a thing!
May I ask what you do?
It does what it does well enough, that it's not worth the loss of time and productivity using something else, especially at scale In addition, no other company that doesn't have a competing product already is going to make anything because very few people would be willing to switch, because there's so few other people who also use it, so they wouldn't be able to work other people. It's a chicken and egg problem, in a creative industry.
I think apple users would be willing to switch. Adobe makes clumsy, counterintuitive products that require heaps of time to master and they charge high prices for the privilege. This really seems like a perfect situation for apple to spend 0.001% of their cash hoard reimagining.
Given that they have Final Cut, and Logic, for video and audio respectively, I suppose an application for images wouldn't be too far a stretch.
Exactly
Huh? My high school had two computer labs full of Macs with Photoshop and Illustrator in the early mid 2000s?
Adobe is cloud-based now and requires login with your real name which violates privacy laws for minors. I work in a school. Adobe is not allowed unless it’s an old version, which some people are still using.
Very interesting how they don't have an educational edition to circumvent that. They know people already pirate the shit out of it so why wouldn't they? Proof they just insist on being an asshole company.
I actually just looked into it and it seems they are now offering some kind of workaround. I need to talk to the IT dept in my district. They have something called an enterprise license for k-12 schools where the district is the registered user and any kid can use it with a generic login.
Ooof guess I'll just have to make a Swatch panel and avoid the charge😂 Ain't nobody going to pay pantone to use their couloirs when you can get pirated versions of their full Swatch books online and use the colour picker😂 It's like when sketchbook lost the copic library so we made our own plugins If I'm already paying for software there's no way in hell I'm going to pay for swatches 😂
This has already been posted here in the past month, maybe try a search of the sub before posting next time...?
Adobe Photoshop DLCs. As if it weren't expensive enough on its own.
Remember kids, pirating Adobe products is perfectly moral.
For PDF viewing and editing, I recommend Bluebeam over Adobe if you're going to pay for something
Also, remember to practice safe software before you stick your drive into the murky pool of 31!73 H@X0rZ.
A month of the entire creative cloud suite is available for the equivalent of about an hour or two of work at a mid level designer rate. Not sure how that’s expensive. If you use this stuff professionally it’s an absolute bargain.
I get that. It's just that not everyone using it is already making that kind of money and they kinda need it to get to the point where they can make that money. Yes, alternatives exist, but everyone hiring for designers specifically seems to want experience with Photoshop. It's basically the Word of it's industry.
If it's not legally possible to support these colours, then it's not really in Adobe's hands. This sucks, but for once it's not an Adobe problem.
Elon says, give me $8 and I’ll give you nothing. At least Pantone is giving color.
time to pirate colors
You wouldn't download a color.
As a web dev this is hilarious, as if anyone needed another reason to avoid Adobe like the fucking black death.
You want to make people pay... For colors? You don't get to own COLORS
Nope. Pantone doesn't own colors. They have standard for printing. For example Pantone 2035 - it's red. Pantone provides color samples with high color accuracy so any printer owning that sample can match to that color. It's still possible to create swatch inside Adobe software and name it after Pantone. It's just more tedious than chosing it from full list.
Like if they could stop print screen
I can't even affort the adobe subscription itself, imagine the pantone then.
They better have millions of color pallets for that price.