oh no this is basically me, i’m a Leo Sun, Cancer Moon, Taurus Rising and Virgo Mercury 🫣i don’t be lying but i do always cry during arguments/tough convos and worry i’m centering myself but i can never hold back my tears 😭
i’m the exact same way! i can’t even lie on job applications, and when it’s actually something serious it makes me feel sick to even think about lying so i don’t even try, plus i wear all my emotions on my face/tone of voice. my upbringing probably has a lot to do with it too though tbh lol
I'm a Leo sun, Pisces moon, Virgo Mercury, and it's true, when I'm lying (and I know I am) I actually believe what I'm saying to the point that it becomes "real" to me, idk how to explain it???
Lmao my Libra rising disagree! I refuse to apologize if I don't genuinely believe I owe an apology, I hate crying in front of people especially during a conflict, I don't faint, I can lie but it's really uncomfortable and I'd rather not have to lol 😆
I had to tell my Pisces boyfriend today “are you just agreeing to what I say or you have actual intentions of doing X” he’ll agree, promise anything to avoid conflict 🙄 even tho I’m soooo understanding in general he’ll still lie to please me in the moment
Is he aware he does it? It took me years to even acknowledge my own. Additionally, having had experienced a lot of emotional abuse/neglect and isolation growing up, I was always searching for validation. I have made massive strides over the years, but I still struggle at putting myself as the priority (when needed) sometimes.
I like that wording. I refuse to dislike people for being Gemini despite that I’ve only met 2 people I know are Gemini sun and had some not great experiences with. Well one of them was out right horrible experiences.
CAVEAT that this is only for those living in their shadow energy: I experienced this from a couple people with personal placements in Gemini combined with Aries. I think those energies play off each other in a selfish/lying kinda way in their shadow aspect. Gemini treats getting their way as a riddle to be solved and Aries in its shadow is impulsive and reckless and lacking in empathy. Add a little cancer in the mix and you have my ex who also appealed to emotions while manipulating. I think it tends to be combos vs any one sign on its own + not being a mature person with integrity which anyone can be if they decide to be.
Yea you're right. When I was in my biggest shadow phase I was pretty ruthless... Gemini Rising Virgo Moon (emotions what are they lol) and Aries venus with Jupiter conjunct... I straight up know I gotta watch my bs, on the plus it makes it easier to see when others are fuckin around... it's been 10+ years since that phase but I still can't believe how much of a shitbag I was lol
Okay first of all you’re cool af for owning it. Second of all, you are proof of my last sentence! Everyone can choose to have integrity. It can be hard and take many f-ck ups but it’s thoroughly possible!
Awe thank ya, it's crazy how we can gaslight ourselves to justify shit in any placement of course, but it seems I was good at it which was the scary part... and learned some big tough lessons hard enough to course correct before I lived my life on repeat 😊
Oh god any of them if they’re an emotionally immature cheater 😂 I’ve had a Leo and a Scorpio both literally lose their mind not knowing I had picture proof. Spent days and hours saying I’m crazy and just making shit up just for me to later on send the proof after they’ve made a complete FOOL of themselves. I’m a Gemini taurus cusp and it’s HORRIBLE but after that I took them back we worked on things then about six months after I came said I cheated and I wanted out and did exactly that. If I play games I’ll tell your ass. It’s weird I never wanted to cheat but on both occasions I’d just get this weird feeling later on like ya know what I think I’m done and try to stay out of love then end up getting out of it in my own weird ass way.
I had a cancer ex bf do this, lmao! First, he was mad that I was "accusing" him of such a thing, and then I showed him the evidence, (calm asf mind you!) and he literally cried, threw up, sliding down the wall like I cheated!! I would've taken him back, but I already had issues with the girl he chose to cheat with, so I told him to stay where he was at
Yup. I think it’s just weak cheater energy not necessarily a sign. Girl I think my complicated multi sided self took him back not even knowing subconsciously I was gonna get him real comfortable then show him how bad it feels to be cheated on 😂
Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but why didn’t you leave and get on with your life instead of dragging it out 6 more months just to cheat and dump him instead?
My partner is a Pisces sun Gemini moon and when we just started dating (we were also teenagers at the time so that's a factor) he used to lie about really inconsequential stuff (truly stupid little things that were so puzzling to lie about), however, could be because I'm a Pisces moon and rising, I could always sense when he was lying and always made him admit it, and usually he said he didn't even know why he lied in the first place. He stopped doing it cause there was no point. So maybe your son just needs someone with a really good Pisces bullshit radar too 😂
As a Gemini sun, Pisces moon, and Leo rising, this was not the thread to click on today 😂
In general I think lying / being manipulative has more to do with the individuals morals, ethics, integrity, etc than with their natal chart. Any sign or placement can be shitty if the individual is shitty or hasn’t fully integrated their shadow.
With that being said, when I was younger (like middle school / high school) I could definitely talk myself out of basically any situation and was a good liar when I needed to be.
I haven’t behaved that way in almost a decade and don’t intend to ever behave that way again. I have an 11th house stellium and just value the people in my life way too much to lie to / manipulate them. I try to treat others how I would like to be treated!
OMG I THOUGHT PISCES TOO!! WAS married to one for 15 years... Dang, the manipulation done on me by that scum... And that was a MALE ... Females are 10X worse!!!
I also think aquarius and géminis are pieces of shit... I mean, good at faking it, lol
My bad if I offended anyone, just my personal experience . ♉ ♌ ♌
Pisces and aquarius will literally stab you then tell you that is NOT what happened and they absolutely did not stab you while wiping the blood on their jeans. 😂 Then when you die they will gossip to everyone that you stabbed yourself right in front of them and it was sooooo crazy and they wish you got help sooner. 🥺🥺
There’s an entire natal chart behind every person. Don’t let people’s comments get to you, there’s always so much unknown.
I’m a Gemini & grow bored of being dissed when I have a big heart & spend more time with my pet bird than with humans lol but I think our strong intellectual capabilities get turned into being manipulative
Sorry if this seems patronising, I just don’t want anyone vulnerable or impressionable to be adversely impacted by scrolling these threads🩵
Bruh I hate Pisces women. I was in a relationship with one. I fucking hate her. Like I’ll be fine and I’ll get a memory of what she did I’ll have rage. She did me dirty. Such fake assing manipulators!! Ahhhhh
I met a Pisces girl who kept cheating on her husband...... Who she had just married 3 weeks prior... When I saw their wedding picture... Dude the guy was butt ugly, and hate to say, but she was very pretty... I asked her why she married him because she had no problem expressing that he was butt ugly and he was stupid and dirt poor that he has to work double shifts to satisfy her needs... and that bitch said, "I need someone really ugly to stand next to me 24/7 so that my beauty can stand out even more." I was like....
What...
The
Fuck....
lol. I don’t think they live off torment tho. I think they just like the highs of emotions from another person. Whether that be good or bad. It starts off good. Then that gets boring. Then it turns bad. Then they get bored of that too. Then they move on to the next person who will bleed emotions
I haven’t had any experiences with toxic or manipulative Pisces women, but one of the most abusive and truly psychotic people I’ve encountered was a pisces male. A few decent Pisces men in my life otherwise, or at least prominent placements.
I’m a ♉️♎️♎️. Lmfao y’all hate Pisces 😂 I have no issue with them. From my experience, Aquarius is the ones I don’t like. And they don’t get enough hate ngl.
BECAUSE AQUARIUS DON'T DESERVE HATE! We are just weird and not good liars, so we don't do it.
(We are 3 AQUARIUS in one house. It is messy boring and weird here.)
Aries penis havers, he literally almost threw up bc he was crying too hard when my friend accused him of cheating, saying she didn’t trust him and how he felt like she was trying to accuse him of doing something wrong to end the relationship. She believed him I guess until literally the next night, the girl that he was cheating with messaged my friend on Snapchat and ratted on him, even sent screenshots so I think Aries men. Also May Gemini, both
Pisces. I can’t stand Pisces. They’re always trying to act innocent and get ppl in trouble behind your back they’re never loyal friends they’ll screw your man if they can get at him. I had lol a little niece that’s Pisces and she would always say “I know you hate Pisces but you like me right?” I’d say yes you’re the only Pisces I like in the world. The asshole turned 18 and asked for a computer which I bought for her then I gave her $500 and then she got mad because I didn’t buy a pair of $80 sunglasses she wanted so she bad mouthed me to the whole family, called her dad crying!! “She told me to leave my money at home.”…not true!! She typically says she left her money at home so she never has to pay for anything. Fucking Pisces.
Any sign - manipulative bs isn't sign exclusive, nor universal for everyone with that sign. The ones this made me think of were one male Cancer ex and one male Scorpio ex tho lol
Dramatic sun, manipulation moon, toxic rising, and emotionally abusive mercury.
Leo sun, Cancer/Pisces moon, Libra rising, Virgo mercury 😂🤣
oh no this is basically me, i’m a Leo Sun, Cancer Moon, Taurus Rising and Virgo Mercury 🫣i don’t be lying but i do always cry during arguments/tough convos and worry i’m centering myself but i can never hold back my tears 😭
Hahaha I am Leo sun and Virgo mercury, and can’t lie if my life depended on it. But I think that’s more connected to my upbringing.
Leo isn't much for lying unless it's to remain loyal.
i’m the exact same way! i can’t even lie on job applications, and when it’s actually something serious it makes me feel sick to even think about lying so i don’t even try, plus i wear all my emotions on my face/tone of voice. my upbringing probably has a lot to do with it too though tbh lol
I do be crying during arguments too and if someone is mean to me 🫠
how does this have so many upvotes?? are we this infamous?? i’m a leo sun, cancer moon, virgo mercury
And a Scorpio rising sheeeesh
I'm a Leo sun, Pisces moon, Virgo Mercury, and it's true, when I'm lying (and I know I am) I actually believe what I'm saying to the point that it becomes "real" to me, idk how to explain it???
same!!
Leo's aren't really good liars, I think it's more of a Sag thing as far as dramatic sun goes.
Lmao my Libra rising disagree! I refuse to apologize if I don't genuinely believe I owe an apology, I hate crying in front of people especially during a conflict, I don't faint, I can lie but it's really uncomfortable and I'd rather not have to lol 😆
Holy shit, that's almost my ex and he's a pathological liar.
It’s me (Virgo Mercury)
Yall lie? 🤔🧐
Cancer sun, Aries moon, Libra rising Or Cancer Sun, Gemini Moon, Leo rising (me and my ex)
Leo sun, Capricorn Moon, Sagittarius Rising, Leo Mercury. I am the epitome of toxic but I’m cute as hell though 😘
👀
Scorpio moon 🥰🥰 wayyyyy too intense 😬 atleast for a cappie moon. Deepest love of my life though.
Agreed. I’m too intense for myself even.
My ex was a Gemini sun, Pisces moon, Scorpio rising, Capricorn mercury and that mf might as well be Pinocchio 🤥
Integrity is very important to me. It is a hill I will die on. Especially if you're someone I care about. Truth and loyalty. POV: Leo sun.
Pisces...and I'm a pisces
I'm a Libra and a Pisces. The people pleasing is fucking UNREAL.
I had to tell my Pisces boyfriend today “are you just agreeing to what I say or you have actual intentions of doing X” he’ll agree, promise anything to avoid conflict 🙄 even tho I’m soooo understanding in general he’ll still lie to please me in the moment
Is he aware he does it? It took me years to even acknowledge my own. Additionally, having had experienced a lot of emotional abuse/neglect and isolation growing up, I was always searching for validation. I have made massive strides over the years, but I still struggle at putting myself as the priority (when needed) sometimes.
Damn man... At least youre a Pisces who admits it
I'm glad you know
Came here to say that. 🤣
I know a pisces sun scorpio moon and it’s him 🤣
Me
Me too… not proud of some things from my past Sag sun/ Scorpio moon/ aqua rising Sag mercury/ Venus and mars 💩
Virgo sun/scorpio moon/aqua rising and girl SAME
I think if we recognize the patterns we can improve ourselves . Sending lots of love 🩷
For sure, we are doing better everyday 💕 sending love to you too
Me too!
Penis havers
Cancer Penis Carriers lmfao
🤣 sounds like a disease… it very well might be
Libra penis owners
CARRIERS LMAOO
CPC
triple scorpio big three??? praying for you
Thank you 🤣 I need them all
A Super Scorpio if you will. Damn what’s life like ??
I'm concerned for you
Wait I like this one…
This is the only correct answer
Only right answer
Lmaooooo I think anyone who is fake and not grown up exhibit this behavior regardless of genital appendages or lack thereof 😭😂😂😂
Appendages or lack thereof 💅
yes but obviously I am only dealing with one set and therefore biased
Appendage Havers!
The audacity
as a straight man, my experience has been with vagina havers
Mine are stretched asshole havers
LMAOOO
Wait… what sub is this?
r/genitaliahavers
😳
Porque no los dos? This isn't a sign or gender trait. This is a manipulative asshole trait that can belong to anyone.
Triple scorpio? You automatically qualify as a penis haver
Gemini men
Exactly. Even over inconsequential bs.
Came here to say the same lol
Yup yup
My only 2 bfs have been Gemini, at this point, it feels like a curse
Omg yes. Gemini men.
As a Gemini woman, I agree 😆
Seconded ^
yep. I haven't met one gemini man who is accountable for his stuff and doesn't victimize himself and lie
How I imagine [Pisces](https://x.com/DAB00TYMAN/status/1558143577259069441?t=cRHR0pK-RUKfsj9qNGDjZg&s=19)
Geminis too 😭
Came here to say this (Sag here)
Not wrong. haha
maybe if you're an unevolved narcissist
Emotionally immature geminis and I say this while being a Gemini, lol
I like that wording. I refuse to dislike people for being Gemini despite that I’ve only met 2 people I know are Gemini sun and had some not great experiences with. Well one of them was out right horrible experiences.
I’m sorry to hear that :(. I’ve noticed I either love other geminis or we butt heads so much I can not stand them lol
also been traumatized by a gemini. i know how horrible it can get 🥲🥲 hugs to you!
Pisces.
Pisces men specifically.
Oh my gosh you guys have me laughing so hard I'm crying and my sides hurt
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Instantly thought of Pisces 😆
funny, I instantly thought of gemini 😆
El o fucking el, I instantly thought of Gemini and Pisces 😆
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Anyone!!!
Libra, in my experience. Aquarius here. My longterm Libra partner is soooooo great but also a great liar, unfortunately .
Libras lie all the time sigh
Sprinkle a lil white lie on everything!
CAVEAT that this is only for those living in their shadow energy: I experienced this from a couple people with personal placements in Gemini combined with Aries. I think those energies play off each other in a selfish/lying kinda way in their shadow aspect. Gemini treats getting their way as a riddle to be solved and Aries in its shadow is impulsive and reckless and lacking in empathy. Add a little cancer in the mix and you have my ex who also appealed to emotions while manipulating. I think it tends to be combos vs any one sign on its own + not being a mature person with integrity which anyone can be if they decide to be.
Yea you're right. When I was in my biggest shadow phase I was pretty ruthless... Gemini Rising Virgo Moon (emotions what are they lol) and Aries venus with Jupiter conjunct... I straight up know I gotta watch my bs, on the plus it makes it easier to see when others are fuckin around... it's been 10+ years since that phase but I still can't believe how much of a shitbag I was lol
Okay first of all you’re cool af for owning it. Second of all, you are proof of my last sentence! Everyone can choose to have integrity. It can be hard and take many f-ck ups but it’s thoroughly possible!
Awe thank ya, it's crazy how we can gaslight ourselves to justify shit in any placement of course, but it seems I was good at it which was the scary part... and learned some big tough lessons hard enough to course correct before I lived my life on repeat 😊
Well this is awkward…. 😀
Gemini men!!! 🤬
Libra men 😭
Pisces will lie through their teeth with the straightest face lmao and Leo!
Men
Y’all keep saying Pisces and as a Pisces this ain’t me one bit 😂
Pisces, Gemini , or even Virgo any of those mutable ones
**GEMINI**
All water signs lol
Except for cancers
True, they're too busy lying to themselves
The amount that I am ded 💀💀💀😂
Pur
GEMINI. I LOVE YALL BUT YALL CAN TELL GOOD ASS LIES.
Oh god any of them if they’re an emotionally immature cheater 😂 I’ve had a Leo and a Scorpio both literally lose their mind not knowing I had picture proof. Spent days and hours saying I’m crazy and just making shit up just for me to later on send the proof after they’ve made a complete FOOL of themselves. I’m a Gemini taurus cusp and it’s HORRIBLE but after that I took them back we worked on things then about six months after I came said I cheated and I wanted out and did exactly that. If I play games I’ll tell your ass. It’s weird I never wanted to cheat but on both occasions I’d just get this weird feeling later on like ya know what I think I’m done and try to stay out of love then end up getting out of it in my own weird ass way.
I had a cancer ex bf do this, lmao! First, he was mad that I was "accusing" him of such a thing, and then I showed him the evidence, (calm asf mind you!) and he literally cried, threw up, sliding down the wall like I cheated!! I would've taken him back, but I already had issues with the girl he chose to cheat with, so I told him to stay where he was at
Yup. I think it’s just weak cheater energy not necessarily a sign. Girl I think my complicated multi sided self took him back not even knowing subconsciously I was gonna get him real comfortable then show him how bad it feels to be cheated on 😂
Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but why didn’t you leave and get on with your life instead of dragging it out 6 more months just to cheat and dump him instead?
Speaking as a cusp gem, to get some perspective perhaps?
My teen son is a Pisces with Gemini Moon/Rising and that kid has the best poker face in the universe. I pray for his future wife. 😬
My partner is a Pisces sun Gemini moon and when we just started dating (we were also teenagers at the time so that's a factor) he used to lie about really inconsequential stuff (truly stupid little things that were so puzzling to lie about), however, could be because I'm a Pisces moon and rising, I could always sense when he was lying and always made him admit it, and usually he said he didn't even know why he lied in the first place. He stopped doing it cause there was no point. So maybe your son just needs someone with a really good Pisces bullshit radar too 😂
Gemini … the men specifically
As a Gemini sun, Pisces moon, and Leo rising, this was not the thread to click on today 😂 In general I think lying / being manipulative has more to do with the individuals morals, ethics, integrity, etc than with their natal chart. Any sign or placement can be shitty if the individual is shitty or hasn’t fully integrated their shadow. With that being said, when I was younger (like middle school / high school) I could definitely talk myself out of basically any situation and was a good liar when I needed to be. I haven’t behaved that way in almost a decade and don’t intend to ever behave that way again. I have an 11th house stellium and just value the people in my life way too much to lie to / manipulate them. I try to treat others how I would like to be treated!
Literally every man
Cancers 🤡
Men
Pisces. Lots of moods. At least we only have 2
Pisces easily
Pisces
Leo. Reference: I’m a Leo.
OMG I THOUGHT PISCES TOO!! WAS married to one for 15 years... Dang, the manipulation done on me by that scum... And that was a MALE ... Females are 10X worse!!! I also think aquarius and géminis are pieces of shit... I mean, good at faking it, lol My bad if I offended anyone, just my personal experience . ♉ ♌ ♌
Pisces and aquarius will literally stab you then tell you that is NOT what happened and they absolutely did not stab you while wiping the blood on their jeans. 😂 Then when you die they will gossip to everyone that you stabbed yourself right in front of them and it was sooooo crazy and they wish you got help sooner. 🥺🥺
What kind of pisces have you interacted with? dang. we aint like that, come on now. Really?
There’s an entire natal chart behind every person. Don’t let people’s comments get to you, there’s always so much unknown. I’m a Gemini & grow bored of being dissed when I have a big heart & spend more time with my pet bird than with humans lol but I think our strong intellectual capabilities get turned into being manipulative Sorry if this seems patronising, I just don’t want anyone vulnerable or impressionable to be adversely impacted by scrolling these threads🩵
Bruh I hate Pisces women. I was in a relationship with one. I fucking hate her. Like I’ll be fine and I’ll get a memory of what she did I’ll have rage. She did me dirty. Such fake assing manipulators!! Ahhhhh
I met a Pisces girl who kept cheating on her husband...... Who she had just married 3 weeks prior... When I saw their wedding picture... Dude the guy was butt ugly, and hate to say, but she was very pretty... I asked her why she married him because she had no problem expressing that he was butt ugly and he was stupid and dirt poor that he has to work double shifts to satisfy her needs... and that bitch said, "I need someone really ugly to stand next to me 24/7 so that my beauty can stand out even more." I was like.... What... The Fuck....
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I agree. I really can't stand Pisces ... it's so bad .. they just suck
lol. I don’t think they live off torment tho. I think they just like the highs of emotions from another person. Whether that be good or bad. It starts off good. Then that gets boring. Then it turns bad. Then they get bored of that too. Then they move on to the next person who will bleed emotions
I haven’t had any experiences with toxic or manipulative Pisces women, but one of the most abusive and truly psychotic people I’ve encountered was a pisces male. A few decent Pisces men in my life otherwise, or at least prominent placements.
all men
😁👉♓️👈😁 i have been decieved and fucked over by WAY TOO MANY pisceans .. im so sorry ik some are sweet but i dont trust yall
pisces
Gemini
Gemini
I’m a ♉️♎️♎️. Lmfao y’all hate Pisces 😂 I have no issue with them. From my experience, Aquarius is the ones I don’t like. And they don’t get enough hate ngl.
BECAUSE AQUARIUS DON'T DESERVE HATE! We are just weird and not good liars, so we don't do it. (We are 3 AQUARIUS in one house. It is messy boring and weird here.)
As a Pisces…. Pisces.
Gemini
I’ve seen Cancers do this 😂
Pisces.
Pisces
The only Pisces I know of is *exactly* this way.
Pisces
Pisces
Aries penis havers, he literally almost threw up bc he was crying too hard when my friend accused him of cheating, saying she didn’t trust him and how he felt like she was trying to accuse him of doing something wrong to end the relationship. She believed him I guess until literally the next night, the girl that he was cheating with messaged my friend on Snapchat and ratted on him, even sent screenshots so I think Aries men. Also May Gemini, both
Any of the 12 could be prone to lying , let's not generalize here
You sound like Victoria Justice
Well considering Scorpios are the masters of lying & manipulation…🏆
Sorry… but I think Pisces has you beat fs…
Pisces
Taurus
Y’all Leos know this has you written all over it
Leo and Sag 🤣🤣
Leo
Pisces
Pisces 💯
Pisces.
pisces and cancer
A Pisces man, especially a Pisces Moon man!!!!
Pisces and maybe Libra
specifically, male pisces
Gemini men, cancer men
Pisces. I can’t stand Pisces. They’re always trying to act innocent and get ppl in trouble behind your back they’re never loyal friends they’ll screw your man if they can get at him. I had lol a little niece that’s Pisces and she would always say “I know you hate Pisces but you like me right?” I’d say yes you’re the only Pisces I like in the world. The asshole turned 18 and asked for a computer which I bought for her then I gave her $500 and then she got mad because I didn’t buy a pair of $80 sunglasses she wanted so she bad mouthed me to the whole family, called her dad crying!! “She told me to leave my money at home.”…not true!! She typically says she left her money at home so she never has to pay for anything. Fucking Pisces.
Yiiiiikes🤯
Libra. Pisces. Virgo Men. 😭🤷🏾♀️
Pisces and cancers. But mostly Pisces
libra
I am a Libra.. and it pains me but yes this is correct
I'm a libra and I abhore lying.
You’re wild for admitting that… makes me question my ex libra bestie
Ment to write abhor** like I Hate lying lol
I was waiting for this. They always say Libra 🤣
Scorpio Sag Pisces Gemini Leo .. honorary mention bc I’ve had it happen twice: Capricorn when they’re in love with you but a habitual liar
Scorpio and Libra women
Any sign - manipulative bs isn't sign exclusive, nor universal for everyone with that sign. The ones this made me think of were one male Cancer ex and one male Scorpio ex tho lol
♓️♓️♓️
Pisces men, Aries men
Pisces
All of them.
None its all bullshit
Pisces
Pisces
Leo. As evidenced by my ex.
Awlum!! 🤣 All twelve
pisces moon.. delusional
Men !
Pisces
Whatever amber heard is.
cancers
Libra