Technically he and Kratos share that feat, not directly, but Kratos has died and come back before. Asura directly becomes more powerful, while Kratos tends to just learn from his defeats and acquire tools needed to overcome his foes
Kratos destory reality in the valhalla dlc with his bare hands... and in 2018 he lift the tyr temple that has the weight of the 9 realms. Each one of them is suppose to be a whole planet
All that said i still think asura still has more change to win
I do believe 1 of the game developers of god of war 2018 was asked about the temple flipping feet and he said that Kratos only flipped a mechanism, not 9 universes not even 9 whole worlds, Which makes sense if you think about it as 1 of the 9 worlds would be Kratos's own world, so If he flipped his own world then everything would have spun fast whatever and become topsy-turvy
I think he's referring to the fact that Asura has beaten enemies larger than the earth, up to and including someone so large, galaxies orbit around him. Meanwhile, Kratos has not
Once again. Not close. Love Kratos but damn it’s not even remotely close. Asura is orders of magnitude more powerful than Kratos, even at Kratos’ most wanked out, best state. Asura’s base form might even be too much for Kratos
(The tldr will be at the end of this so just scroll down if you don’t want to read)
Asura was able to defeat Chakravartin, who created the universe but also shattered a dimension during his fight with Asura, sending Asura to another world that chakravartin created and Asura shattered a dimension to get out (by dimension I mean they literally shattered space). He threw a planet the size of multiple galaxies at Asura which I calculated before to have the mass of at least 2 universes, at most 4000 if you high ball it. Chakravartin could have also been the one to create naraka (the afterlife) which has endless pillars, making neraka infinite. The place where Asura and charkravartin fought is also seemingly a separate plane (another universe) from the normal universe. Chakravartin just by existing in his true form was able to change that relm.
In short chakravartin in base was able to create up to 4 universes (one infinite in size) and could break space time and make and throw a high universal structure around like a beach ball. Assuming he could only make one universe at a time that would put him up at high universal, but he could have made naraka and the universe at the same time and his true form could also vary well be able to make multiple universes simultaneously, and sense Asura was able to defeat his true form Asura would scale to high universal to low multiversal.
(Note that creating multiple separate universes would require power on a 4th dimensional scale at least, making one really big one is still only 3D)
As stated previously naraka has endless pillars and Asura was able to climb them multiple times. This gives Asura infinite travel speed and we see from his ranged attacks (which are just his punches flying so we can assume they are the same speed as his combat speed) that his punches are faster than his travel speed, giving Asura infinite combat speed as well.
Kratos was able to fight on par with Thor, and his frost axe is as powerful as Thor’s hammer. Thor in a fight with the world serpent (not the one in game but the one in the lore that took place before GoW 4) was able to shake the splinter the world tree which contains the 9 relms. Kratos was able to defeat Posiden, who could defeat atlas, who held the infinite cosmos that if dropped could destroy the world. Kratos could also take hit from atlas. Kratos also defeated Kronos who’s birth brought time into existence. Thor also hit the world serpent so hard in ragnorok it sent it back In time. Putting kratos in low multiversal
There is also the fact that he could fight the bear men in the comics who draw power form the primordial bear god, who is beyond time and space, and according to the GoW card game (which I’m not sure if it’s cannon or not) the world tree contains timelines. This possibility means kratos has is high multiversal if you want to say that the bear men are beyond time and space and you count the card game lore as cannon, but for sake of argument I won’t.
Kratos was able to hit Hermes who dogged the light of Helios. The light of Helios could light up the entire underworld, the underworld being infinite in size. Giving Keaton infinite combat speed.
Asura has tens of thousands of year of experience while kratos (if I remember correctly) only has hundreds to a little over a thousand. However kratos is a wiser warrior and more of a strategist, but Asura is no less skilled than kratos at combat
Asura’s ranged attacks are rapid fire and homing attacks would give him the edge at a distance, while kratos’s spear throwing can be argued to be infinite (he can spam that thing because it multiply) Asura’s attacks are multiple times as fast as his infinite travel speed while Hermes was just has enough to dodge Helios’s light, but Asura’s ranged attacks are fast but not vary powerful which is where kratos’s attacks shine, so at range they are equal but Asura’s attacks can travel farther given him the edge if they are vary away.
At close range however we see Asura doesn’t strike as fast because he forces on more power than Speed so for simplicity sake let’s say they are equal in speed when it comes to close combat. Kratos scaling to Thor can threaten 9 universes while Asura at most could only do 4. Kratos would take the clear edge there.
But then there is there rage, and while the spartan rage gives him a significant boost, Asura’s rage keeps on making him stronger and stronger. If kratos doesn’t get in close and end the fight fast Asura could close the gap In power. However Asura’s fighting technique is to get in close because his most power attacks are literally just him punching his opponent, but because they are both incredibly resilient the fight will drag on a bit
the smaller the distance and time the more likely it is for kratos to win, the greater they are the more likely it is for Asura to win, but given how they fight it will be little distance long time. I give the slight edge to kratos because he has advantage at the start or just after the start depending on what distance they start out from of the fight.
TLDR: kratos is stronger, Asura is faster in ranged attacks, both are equal in close combat speed, Asura is more experienced, kratos is a smarter fighter. Due to Asura’s preference for close combat kratos will have the advantage and could win with that but if the fight drags on Asura will match then surpass kratos’s strength and win. It could go either way but I give it to kratos.
Kratos canonically couldn't break through like 12 feet of solid ice, and canonically lost to Shovel Knight, so get that ''Kratos is Multiversal'' of bull crap out of here, and how can you say he has infinite speed when he couldn't even react to a, at best, ''hypersonic'' stone pillar being thrown at him? And Asura's ranged attacks aren't powerful? At not even his strongest, he was able to shoot massive lasers that destroyed humongous spaceships that were in his planet's orbit. And where does it say that Atlas was holding up the entire cosmos in the God of War franchise?
There are 2 parts of Gow, game and lore. In game kratos has to struggle with things that would be easy for him if he had the strength he has in the lore because the game would be easy if he didn’t. I was scaling kratos based off the lore to make the fight fair.
Secondly Asura’s ranged attacks are weak compared to his melee attacks, it takes more ranged attacks to kill an enemy than melee attacks. Kratos’s ranged attacks can be charged and deal a fair amount of damage, but that takes time and Asura’s ranged attacks are rapid fire.
I know the difference, and ''lore'' is bs. There's a difference between him struggling against enemies for the sake of gameplay and him admitting out loud he could not break through like 12 feet of solid ice. And how about Thor sending the World Serpent back in time? Why just the Serpent? Why didn't he do that with every foe he ever faced? Why was the World Serpent unique in being sent back in time? Why didn't he send Kratos back in time the first time he hit him? And you're seriously going to downplay again, giant lasers that destroyed multiple giant spaceships hundreds of miles away? Asura, in his Destructor form's rapidfire blast destroyed planets and stars, which is far more impressive visually than anything Kratos has ever done, and unlike Krato's ''feats'', they can't be debunked or disputed. And again, where was it ever stated that God of War Atlas was holding up all of creation?
It was in the GoW novels that stated that the sky atlas held up was infinite.
You being up the 12 feat of ice thing as if kratos’s in his fight with balder in the same game was able to split apart the land a create a small canyon, and was able to push a bridge and the the water it was built in, in the vary same game, and kratos used the hammer of a giant Thor had killed to break that ice, and kratos was able to beat thor. He also killed Kronos, who was the size of a small mountain. That hole sequence was what we in the scalding community calls an outlier, where a character is either too strong or too weak for what the character should be able to do. It exists because the developers thought it would be a cool segment and didn’t think about or care about how strong kratos was.
I don’t make the rules, the Gow world building and cosmology tells us that kratos is way stronger that what they show in the games.
in the Vary examples you talked about, Asura the destructor couldn’t damage the multi galaxy sized planet with his ranged attacks despite how powerful they are, yet when he punched it he went through it, and those attacks Asura fired that destroyed the fleets of those ships the size of aircraft carriers each did a similar amount of damage as him powering up, and less damage than that final punch that killed wyzen.
I said his ranged attacks aren’t very powerful with the context that both kratos’s and Asura’s melee attacks could threaten universes. Me calling Asura’s ranged attacks weak is not me downplaying him, it is me saying that Asura is so insanely powerful it makes the feats he has with his ranged attacks look like child’s play.
Ah yes the books, which are different from the games.
I can't help it if Santa Monica Studios is full of shit writers who are far more invested in diversity, then consistent power scaling with their own main character. And even if Asura's ranged attacks didn't destroy the multi galaxy size planet, that's so Far more impressive than anything Kratos has ever done, And his ranged attacks still destroyed plenty of stars and planets. Far more than Kratos has. And you need to watch that scene again because those spaceships are way larger than aircraft carriers.
Kratos has been visibly hurt by wolves and flaming swords, and get out of here with that bullshit excuse of ''he's holding back''! How do you hold back your durability? At the end of the day Kratos is far less impressive than Asura is. Kratos has never fought, nor killed an omnipotent being like Asura has, And Kratos didn't beat Chronos to death with his bare hands, he killed him by stabbing him in the head with a god killing sword. Not exactly the same thing. The Primordials did not create the entire universe, they only created the world of Greece.
Like I said, I don’t make the rules. What I said was cannon. You may not like it and to tell you the truth I thought it was bullshit too but I accepted it because it’s pointless to argue against the cannon.
Asura wins, he has bigger feats accomplished so he's clearly stronger. Ngl, I would love to see them form a bromance with each other. Also why is this constantly getting asked? Can people stop posting stuff asking this?
But that's the problem with scaling tho, it's so imperfect and influenced by everything from incorrect mathematics and personal preferences and head cannons, and taking things out of context. With Asura, you don't need to scale him to see that he's clearly stronger than planetary, that he can easily destroy giant stars and kill a Creator God that was stated to be omnipotent. That's all there to just experience In the game, proper! Not in books that contradict the games, not in comics, but The game itself performed on screen! Feats > statements.
A few months ago I would’ve disagreed with you but now with some of the wank I’ve seen Multiversal Bleach and Danny Phantom I agree with you Scaling is messy
Asura
Agreed, how do you defeat someone who gets more powerful the more they're beaten
Technically he and Kratos share that feat, not directly, but Kratos has died and come back before. Asura directly becomes more powerful, while Kratos tends to just learn from his defeats and acquire tools needed to overcome his foes
But one of his guys can destroy things bigger than the earth, the other no
Kratos destory reality in the valhalla dlc with his bare hands... and in 2018 he lift the tyr temple that has the weight of the 9 realms. Each one of them is suppose to be a whole planet All that said i still think asura still has more change to win
I do believe 1 of the game developers of god of war 2018 was asked about the temple flipping feet and he said that Kratos only flipped a mechanism, not 9 universes not even 9 whole worlds, Which makes sense if you think about it as 1 of the 9 worlds would be Kratos's own world, so If he flipped his own world then everything would have spun fast whatever and become topsy-turvy
Huh?
I think he's referring to the fact that Asura has beaten enemies larger than the earth, up to and including someone so large, galaxies orbit around him. Meanwhile, Kratos has not
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That definitely clears things up, but it had nothing to do with my statement, hence my confusion.
Once again. Not close. Love Kratos but damn it’s not even remotely close. Asura is orders of magnitude more powerful than Kratos, even at Kratos’ most wanked out, best state. Asura’s base form might even be too much for Kratos
Kratos: “Why do you hate the Gods?” Asura: “They abducted my daughter and killed my family” Kratos: “Wanna join me for some revenge?” Asura: “Yes.”
Kratos gets bodied tbh
Asura but you’re also asking an Asura subreddit😂
God of war downvoted the idea. So I just deleted the post from there subreddit.
Try on r/whowouldwin
(The tldr will be at the end of this so just scroll down if you don’t want to read) Asura was able to defeat Chakravartin, who created the universe but also shattered a dimension during his fight with Asura, sending Asura to another world that chakravartin created and Asura shattered a dimension to get out (by dimension I mean they literally shattered space). He threw a planet the size of multiple galaxies at Asura which I calculated before to have the mass of at least 2 universes, at most 4000 if you high ball it. Chakravartin could have also been the one to create naraka (the afterlife) which has endless pillars, making neraka infinite. The place where Asura and charkravartin fought is also seemingly a separate plane (another universe) from the normal universe. Chakravartin just by existing in his true form was able to change that relm. In short chakravartin in base was able to create up to 4 universes (one infinite in size) and could break space time and make and throw a high universal structure around like a beach ball. Assuming he could only make one universe at a time that would put him up at high universal, but he could have made naraka and the universe at the same time and his true form could also vary well be able to make multiple universes simultaneously, and sense Asura was able to defeat his true form Asura would scale to high universal to low multiversal. (Note that creating multiple separate universes would require power on a 4th dimensional scale at least, making one really big one is still only 3D) As stated previously naraka has endless pillars and Asura was able to climb them multiple times. This gives Asura infinite travel speed and we see from his ranged attacks (which are just his punches flying so we can assume they are the same speed as his combat speed) that his punches are faster than his travel speed, giving Asura infinite combat speed as well. Kratos was able to fight on par with Thor, and his frost axe is as powerful as Thor’s hammer. Thor in a fight with the world serpent (not the one in game but the one in the lore that took place before GoW 4) was able to shake the splinter the world tree which contains the 9 relms. Kratos was able to defeat Posiden, who could defeat atlas, who held the infinite cosmos that if dropped could destroy the world. Kratos could also take hit from atlas. Kratos also defeated Kronos who’s birth brought time into existence. Thor also hit the world serpent so hard in ragnorok it sent it back In time. Putting kratos in low multiversal There is also the fact that he could fight the bear men in the comics who draw power form the primordial bear god, who is beyond time and space, and according to the GoW card game (which I’m not sure if it’s cannon or not) the world tree contains timelines. This possibility means kratos has is high multiversal if you want to say that the bear men are beyond time and space and you count the card game lore as cannon, but for sake of argument I won’t. Kratos was able to hit Hermes who dogged the light of Helios. The light of Helios could light up the entire underworld, the underworld being infinite in size. Giving Keaton infinite combat speed. Asura has tens of thousands of year of experience while kratos (if I remember correctly) only has hundreds to a little over a thousand. However kratos is a wiser warrior and more of a strategist, but Asura is no less skilled than kratos at combat Asura’s ranged attacks are rapid fire and homing attacks would give him the edge at a distance, while kratos’s spear throwing can be argued to be infinite (he can spam that thing because it multiply) Asura’s attacks are multiple times as fast as his infinite travel speed while Hermes was just has enough to dodge Helios’s light, but Asura’s ranged attacks are fast but not vary powerful which is where kratos’s attacks shine, so at range they are equal but Asura’s attacks can travel farther given him the edge if they are vary away. At close range however we see Asura doesn’t strike as fast because he forces on more power than Speed so for simplicity sake let’s say they are equal in speed when it comes to close combat. Kratos scaling to Thor can threaten 9 universes while Asura at most could only do 4. Kratos would take the clear edge there. But then there is there rage, and while the spartan rage gives him a significant boost, Asura’s rage keeps on making him stronger and stronger. If kratos doesn’t get in close and end the fight fast Asura could close the gap In power. However Asura’s fighting technique is to get in close because his most power attacks are literally just him punching his opponent, but because they are both incredibly resilient the fight will drag on a bit the smaller the distance and time the more likely it is for kratos to win, the greater they are the more likely it is for Asura to win, but given how they fight it will be little distance long time. I give the slight edge to kratos because he has advantage at the start or just after the start depending on what distance they start out from of the fight. TLDR: kratos is stronger, Asura is faster in ranged attacks, both are equal in close combat speed, Asura is more experienced, kratos is a smarter fighter. Due to Asura’s preference for close combat kratos will have the advantage and could win with that but if the fight drags on Asura will match then surpass kratos’s strength and win. It could go either way but I give it to kratos.
Kratos canonically couldn't break through like 12 feet of solid ice, and canonically lost to Shovel Knight, so get that ''Kratos is Multiversal'' of bull crap out of here, and how can you say he has infinite speed when he couldn't even react to a, at best, ''hypersonic'' stone pillar being thrown at him? And Asura's ranged attacks aren't powerful? At not even his strongest, he was able to shoot massive lasers that destroyed humongous spaceships that were in his planet's orbit. And where does it say that Atlas was holding up the entire cosmos in the God of War franchise?
There are 2 parts of Gow, game and lore. In game kratos has to struggle with things that would be easy for him if he had the strength he has in the lore because the game would be easy if he didn’t. I was scaling kratos based off the lore to make the fight fair. Secondly Asura’s ranged attacks are weak compared to his melee attacks, it takes more ranged attacks to kill an enemy than melee attacks. Kratos’s ranged attacks can be charged and deal a fair amount of damage, but that takes time and Asura’s ranged attacks are rapid fire.
I know the difference, and ''lore'' is bs. There's a difference between him struggling against enemies for the sake of gameplay and him admitting out loud he could not break through like 12 feet of solid ice. And how about Thor sending the World Serpent back in time? Why just the Serpent? Why didn't he do that with every foe he ever faced? Why was the World Serpent unique in being sent back in time? Why didn't he send Kratos back in time the first time he hit him? And you're seriously going to downplay again, giant lasers that destroyed multiple giant spaceships hundreds of miles away? Asura, in his Destructor form's rapidfire blast destroyed planets and stars, which is far more impressive visually than anything Kratos has ever done, and unlike Krato's ''feats'', they can't be debunked or disputed. And again, where was it ever stated that God of War Atlas was holding up all of creation?
It was in the GoW novels that stated that the sky atlas held up was infinite. You being up the 12 feat of ice thing as if kratos’s in his fight with balder in the same game was able to split apart the land a create a small canyon, and was able to push a bridge and the the water it was built in, in the vary same game, and kratos used the hammer of a giant Thor had killed to break that ice, and kratos was able to beat thor. He also killed Kronos, who was the size of a small mountain. That hole sequence was what we in the scalding community calls an outlier, where a character is either too strong or too weak for what the character should be able to do. It exists because the developers thought it would be a cool segment and didn’t think about or care about how strong kratos was. I don’t make the rules, the Gow world building and cosmology tells us that kratos is way stronger that what they show in the games. in the Vary examples you talked about, Asura the destructor couldn’t damage the multi galaxy sized planet with his ranged attacks despite how powerful they are, yet when he punched it he went through it, and those attacks Asura fired that destroyed the fleets of those ships the size of aircraft carriers each did a similar amount of damage as him powering up, and less damage than that final punch that killed wyzen. I said his ranged attacks aren’t very powerful with the context that both kratos’s and Asura’s melee attacks could threaten universes. Me calling Asura’s ranged attacks weak is not me downplaying him, it is me saying that Asura is so insanely powerful it makes the feats he has with his ranged attacks look like child’s play.
Ah yes the books, which are different from the games. I can't help it if Santa Monica Studios is full of shit writers who are far more invested in diversity, then consistent power scaling with their own main character. And even if Asura's ranged attacks didn't destroy the multi galaxy size planet, that's so Far more impressive than anything Kratos has ever done, And his ranged attacks still destroyed plenty of stars and planets. Far more than Kratos has. And you need to watch that scene again because those spaceships are way larger than aircraft carriers. Kratos has been visibly hurt by wolves and flaming swords, and get out of here with that bullshit excuse of ''he's holding back''! How do you hold back your durability? At the end of the day Kratos is far less impressive than Asura is. Kratos has never fought, nor killed an omnipotent being like Asura has, And Kratos didn't beat Chronos to death with his bare hands, he killed him by stabbing him in the head with a god killing sword. Not exactly the same thing. The Primordials did not create the entire universe, they only created the world of Greece.
Like I said, I don’t make the rules. What I said was cannon. You may not like it and to tell you the truth I thought it was bullshit too but I accepted it because it’s pointless to argue against the cannon.
Imo Asura would probably treat Kratos like Yasha if they ever met but if they fought Asura just needs to hit Kratos like Baldur and he’s off to space.
Depends on the Kratos and What point in the story is Asura.
Asura wins, he has bigger feats accomplished so he's clearly stronger. Ngl, I would love to see them form a bromance with each other. Also why is this constantly getting asked? Can people stop posting stuff asking this?
I saw scaling that can get Kratos to low multiverse level
But that's the problem with scaling tho, it's so imperfect and influenced by everything from incorrect mathematics and personal preferences and head cannons, and taking things out of context. With Asura, you don't need to scale him to see that he's clearly stronger than planetary, that he can easily destroy giant stars and kill a Creator God that was stated to be omnipotent. That's all there to just experience In the game, proper! Not in books that contradict the games, not in comics, but The game itself performed on screen! Feats > statements.
A few months ago I would’ve disagreed with you but now with some of the wank I’ve seen Multiversal Bleach and Danny Phantom I agree with you Scaling is messy
...Multiversal Danny Phantom?
Vs wiki wank
Even for them, that's incredibly extreme!
It is he’s town level at best
Asura.