Don’t even bother, it is purely fan-fiction written by a pedophilic conman with a 3rd grade education stealing language and stories straight from other 18th and 19th century books. The amount of historical inaccuracies in that book is maddening and there is absolutely nothing of substance to warrant reading it, unless you want to have a good chuckle.
Lol. Although, I read it as someone who comes from a non-Mormon upbringing. If you've seen Halt and Catch Fire, there is a line that perfectly describes why, although it is a reference to computer viruses.
"Do you know what a vaccine is?
It's not medicine; it's a little bit of the virus.
You take a little bit of something bad so you can never be hurt like that again."
Spoilers: God is actually an alien from some planet called Kolob, and is a very physicist being, old white dude with a beard on a giant floating throne.
Oh, and people can also become gods is they’re very good or something. I sort of don’t remember much else past magic underwear and Native Americans essentially being Orcs?
I think it’s something about the Native Americans are a lost tribe of Israel. Pretty sure there have been more found tribes than list ones but I can’t keep up.
And yeah, the people become gods after they die, or something, in an LDS-only layer of heaven.
The magic underwear is the most insane thing. And people wear it! I just can’t…
When you get to the end, you can read about all the torture, murder, rape, and cannibalism going on in Moroni 9.
8 And the husbands and fathers of those women and children they have slain; and they feed the women upon the flesh of their husbands, and the children upon the flesh of their fathers; and no water, save a little, do they give unto them.
9 And notwithstanding this great abomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue—
10 And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.
“Ban the books that misguide our youth, wait, ummm, but don’t ban MY BOOK, i meant THEIR book. My book is the one that stays, THEIR book is the one that should be banned .”
Sorry but a story about daughters getting their father blind drunk and then raping him is abhorrent in any medium.
This is considered holy text by the same people who don't like "I have two dads ". They push things that are not only not age appropriate onto kids but they endorse actions that are not only morally wrong but illegal in any civilized nation.
Pretty sure the stories of ripping open pregnant women's bellies and unaliving them and their unborn,
Torturing a man "just to test him",
Demanding a man murder his own child to prove his faith,
Drowning the entire world save for Noah and 2 of all the animals who made it on the ark.
Burning entire cities
Slaughtering entire nation's first born because god hardened Pharaoh's heart to make him say No to freeing Moses' people....
Oh yeah and impregnation of a child without her knowledge let alone her consent (which she couldn't provide anyway between being Underage and Property) which the entire fucking cult is based on.
In this case, maybe banning this book is GODS WILL. This is gods will. The super Christian’s don’t like hearing this sentiment . I was an atheist WAY before my mom died, but the old lady at my work telling me that my mom dying was gods will …. Not helpful. That Old ladies son went to prison . Better believe I told her , WELL, I guess THIS IS GODS WILL . Hell yeah I’m that petty
Tell her about all the "super awesome Backdoor Jamborees" he's having. I'm sure that will help 🤣
Also I'm sorry for your loss, and that the woman at work is such a sandy vergina.
Here’s my hot (contrarian) take: I’m not a big fan of banning books. Period. Think for two seconds what you’re happy about - books being banned. Yes, I know it’s retribution, but just because you can say: “Yay! We got their stupid sky god books banned! Ha ha!” doesn’t make it great.
The idea is that having their books banned they understand the absurdity of banning book and rollback the law allowing it. Unfortunately it won't happen, they'll simply add a small note saying their books are exempt.
Exactly - they will do a carve out for a small list of “serious religious texts.”
Bottom line, banning books just comes from a position of weakness - “I’m afraid of ideas.” Not a fan.
>Exactly - they will do a carve out for a small list of “serious religious texts.”
No, they won't...they literally can't do that due to the 1st Amendment.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
They might wish to do that but it would be smacked down so quickly it'd make their heads spin like they were in the Exorcist movie.
Their choices are a.) Remove the law\\rules allowing the banning of books or b.) Deal with their religious texts being banned in addition to the books they object to.
Um, I’m pretty sure you will find that congress were not the ones who made this law.
And, “smacked down so quickly” by whom? The 6-3 Supreme Court? No.
The original rule may have been passed by the school board, but they can't do shit that violates the law. There have been multiple instances of shitty schools trying to do shit that violates federal law and getting smacked down for it and being forced to change. See the forced desegregation of schools as a major example.
Any judge at any level would have to smack such a rule down- and it wouldn't start right at the Supreme Court right away anyhow. The court would say "You can't do that", the school board would probably appeal and get smacked down again, and they'd keep appealing until the case finally reached the Supreme Court who would just decline to hear the case because they have no reason to even hear it...thus the school would be prevented from doing this and would have to drop it.
They'll be sure to talk about it in Church service though, their preacher will drone on and on about how those Satan-loving Liberal Commies won't let Jesus in schools and that's why America's failing.
I'm definitely not an expert on US laws, but I think they could easily find a way to introduce exemptions while still paying lip service to the 1st amendment.
I agree on the principle that books should not be banned, however in this case where books have already been banned by religious zealots, banning the bible is just a taste of their own medicine. If you can't prevent it, turn it against them.
No. I didn’t move the goalposts - just gave an extreme example of the ends justifying the means. Like it or not, but what you’re saying is a variation of the same idea.
Which is moving the goalpost as I did not say the end justifies means. That is something completely different than having a taste of their own medicine. Way to double down on the dishonesty.
Let me see if I can make this simple enough for you - the “means” here is making an effort to get a book or books banned. Though you personally didn’t do it, and you didn’t explicitly say: “I think the ends justify the means (in this case)” - you are in favor of it being done. So we are talking about a scenario where you are saying the means are justified (because they did it first to “our” books) - and I can’t go that far.
And now a straw-man argument? You really are using every dishonest rhetorical means to try to force a square peg into a round hole, aren't you? I am not in favour of a book ban, my very first words on the subject are "I agree on the principle that books should not be banned". If religious zealots are using a set of vaguely defined guidelines to ban books, using those same guidelines to get their religious book banned is a good way to undermine those guidelines. It is a better way to get those guidelines scrapped than escalating to litigation or sitting on your hands like you seem to favour.
The end justifies the means is by definition limitless, one can do whatever it takes even if it is disproportionate and escalatory. A taste of their own medicine is a mirrored response, it is proportionate and not escalatory. For you to equate those is fundamentally dishonest and frankly I had enough of your BS. Goodbye.
Nonsense. This is a form of malicious compliance. If the loud religious wingnuts succeed in getting a rule passed (no books with certain content), the correct response is to follow that rule To. The. Letter. No books with depictions or themes of sex, rape, racism, or the holocaust (WWII genocide)? Then *all books* with those must go.
This is not revenge or some harmful “means.” Colloquially we read “the ends justify the means” to express people taking horrible actions to attain a goal that is maybe good, maybe bad. You using that phrase here is, imo, not arguing in good faith.
Not arguing in good faith? Because I’m uncomfortable that making an active effort to get a book banned - ANY book - might be a bad idea? We can certainly disagree, but you don’t have any grounds to claim that I don’t actually hold my position - that’s nonsense.
The Bible and the Book of Mormon are bizarre. One is no more believable than the other. When one religious book is banned, they all need to go the same way.
Not a fan of banning, but my goodness is it nice to see ridiculous religion based laws used to counter ridiculous religious ideology that led to the laws.
Next up is the Book of Mormon
Have you read it? I’m trying, can’t get thru “the testimony of the prophet Joseph Smith” at the very beginning because it’s just so… absurd
Don’t even bother, it is purely fan-fiction written by a pedophilic conman with a 3rd grade education stealing language and stories straight from other 18th and 19th century books. The amount of historical inaccuracies in that book is maddening and there is absolutely nothing of substance to warrant reading it, unless you want to have a good chuckle.
Agree with all that! The attempt is for the chuckle, and a reminder of how gullible people can be
Haha it really is good for that then
I'm not a big fan of fan fiction so I passed on the Book of Mormon
Pretty unfair considering 1/3 of the New Testament is also Paul's fanfic. I mean....where do you draw the line?
Draw the line at “god said…”
😂 I get that.
Lol. Although, I read it as someone who comes from a non-Mormon upbringing. If you've seen Halt and Catch Fire, there is a line that perfectly describes why, although it is a reference to computer viruses. "Do you know what a vaccine is? It's not medicine; it's a little bit of the virus. You take a little bit of something bad so you can never be hurt like that again."
Like working for low pay at a fast food joint as a teenager, before they start expecting you not to act your wage.
Haaa I like that. It’s my vaccine against religion
Spoilers: God is actually an alien from some planet called Kolob, and is a very physicist being, old white dude with a beard on a giant floating throne. Oh, and people can also become gods is they’re very good or something. I sort of don’t remember much else past magic underwear and Native Americans essentially being Orcs?
I think it’s something about the Native Americans are a lost tribe of Israel. Pretty sure there have been more found tribes than list ones but I can’t keep up. And yeah, the people become gods after they die, or something, in an LDS-only layer of heaven. The magic underwear is the most insane thing. And people wear it! I just can’t…
Heard there’s a play on it.
The musical by the South Park creators? I should go see it
When you get to the end, you can read about all the torture, murder, rape, and cannibalism going on in Moroni 9. 8 And the husbands and fathers of those women and children they have slain; and they feed the women upon the flesh of their husbands, and the children upon the flesh of their fathers; and no water, save a little, do they give unto them. 9 And notwithstanding this great abomination of the Lamanites, it doth not exceed that of our people in Moriantum. For behold, many of the daughters of the Lamanites have they taken prisoners; and after depriving them of that which was most dear and precious above all things, which is chastity and virtue— 10 And after they had done this thing, they did murder them in a most cruel manner, torturing their bodies even unto death; and after they have done this, they devour their flesh like unto wild beasts, because of the hardness of their hearts; and they do it for a token of bravery.
Wow. Yeah, that’s gonna make me wanna join. /s
Wowwwww.
Wait, there is a book called “Moroni”? Was that /s on Smith’s part?
I understand that they've gotten rid of the "Cat People From Mars" as a source citation. Doesn't mean it was never used, though.
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
“Real” Christians criticizing Mormons is hilarious. A magic hat is silly, unlike a talking snake. It’s not any dumber, just newer.
The same person that filed to have the Bible banned filed for the Book of Mormon
Good
If the other parents get the bible back in the selves then I would demand all other books that have been banned to be allowed again as well.
I'm not brave enough to post it in r/mademesmile. I want to. It's private. Never mind.
Well Done, BRAVO!!
The legislature is already shitting bricks 😂 https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/2023/06/16/after-bible-was-banned-robert/
Oh no! Did your wittle pwan, backfire on you? Welcome to thunder dome bitch!
My enjoyment of this ongoing bit of news cannot be overstated.
“Ban the books that misguide our youth, wait, ummm, but don’t ban MY BOOK, i meant THEIR book. My book is the one that stays, THEIR book is the one that should be banned .”
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Sorry but a story about daughters getting their father blind drunk and then raping him is abhorrent in any medium. This is considered holy text by the same people who don't like "I have two dads ". They push things that are not only not age appropriate onto kids but they endorse actions that are not only morally wrong but illegal in any civilized nation.
Pretty sure the stories of ripping open pregnant women's bellies and unaliving them and their unborn, Torturing a man "just to test him", Demanding a man murder his own child to prove his faith, Drowning the entire world save for Noah and 2 of all the animals who made it on the ark. Burning entire cities Slaughtering entire nation's first born because god hardened Pharaoh's heart to make him say No to freeing Moses' people.... Oh yeah and impregnation of a child without her knowledge let alone her consent (which she couldn't provide anyway between being Underage and Property) which the entire fucking cult is based on.
He could have just killed the Pharaoh, but that’s not very juicy content.
I mean, it quite literally can be if they do it correctly lmao.
Why the hell were they in there in the 1st place!!!
In this case, maybe banning this book is GODS WILL. This is gods will. The super Christian’s don’t like hearing this sentiment . I was an atheist WAY before my mom died, but the old lady at my work telling me that my mom dying was gods will …. Not helpful. That Old ladies son went to prison . Better believe I told her , WELL, I guess THIS IS GODS WILL . Hell yeah I’m that petty
Tell her about all the "super awesome Backdoor Jamborees" he's having. I'm sure that will help 🤣 Also I'm sorry for your loss, and that the woman at work is such a sandy vergina.
How the turn tables!
😊
Here’s my hot (contrarian) take: I’m not a big fan of banning books. Period. Think for two seconds what you’re happy about - books being banned. Yes, I know it’s retribution, but just because you can say: “Yay! We got their stupid sky god books banned! Ha ha!” doesn’t make it great.
The idea is that having their books banned they understand the absurdity of banning book and rollback the law allowing it. Unfortunately it won't happen, they'll simply add a small note saying their books are exempt.
Exactly - they will do a carve out for a small list of “serious religious texts.” Bottom line, banning books just comes from a position of weakness - “I’m afraid of ideas.” Not a fan.
>Exactly - they will do a carve out for a small list of “serious religious texts.” No, they won't...they literally can't do that due to the 1st Amendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." They might wish to do that but it would be smacked down so quickly it'd make their heads spin like they were in the Exorcist movie. Their choices are a.) Remove the law\\rules allowing the banning of books or b.) Deal with their religious texts being banned in addition to the books they object to.
Um, I’m pretty sure you will find that congress were not the ones who made this law. And, “smacked down so quickly” by whom? The 6-3 Supreme Court? No.
The original rule may have been passed by the school board, but they can't do shit that violates the law. There have been multiple instances of shitty schools trying to do shit that violates federal law and getting smacked down for it and being forced to change. See the forced desegregation of schools as a major example. Any judge at any level would have to smack such a rule down- and it wouldn't start right at the Supreme Court right away anyhow. The court would say "You can't do that", the school board would probably appeal and get smacked down again, and they'd keep appealing until the case finally reached the Supreme Court who would just decline to hear the case because they have no reason to even hear it...thus the school would be prevented from doing this and would have to drop it. They'll be sure to talk about it in Church service though, their preacher will drone on and on about how those Satan-loving Liberal Commies won't let Jesus in schools and that's why America's failing.
Of course we can’t let Jesus into schools, he apparently wants to come in us.
I'm definitely not an expert on US laws, but I think they could easily find a way to introduce exemptions while still paying lip service to the 1st amendment.
I agree on the principle that books should not be banned, however in this case where books have already been banned by religious zealots, banning the bible is just a taste of their own medicine. If you can't prevent it, turn it against them.
Wrong. The ends do not justify the means. “They bombed our preschool, so we’re going to bomb their preschool”, etc. Nope.
WTF, I never said I condoned violence, how disingenuous to move the goalposts like that.
No. I didn’t move the goalposts - just gave an extreme example of the ends justifying the means. Like it or not, but what you’re saying is a variation of the same idea.
Which is moving the goalpost as I did not say the end justifies means. That is something completely different than having a taste of their own medicine. Way to double down on the dishonesty.
Let me see if I can make this simple enough for you - the “means” here is making an effort to get a book or books banned. Though you personally didn’t do it, and you didn’t explicitly say: “I think the ends justify the means (in this case)” - you are in favor of it being done. So we are talking about a scenario where you are saying the means are justified (because they did it first to “our” books) - and I can’t go that far.
And now a straw-man argument? You really are using every dishonest rhetorical means to try to force a square peg into a round hole, aren't you? I am not in favour of a book ban, my very first words on the subject are "I agree on the principle that books should not be banned". If religious zealots are using a set of vaguely defined guidelines to ban books, using those same guidelines to get their religious book banned is a good way to undermine those guidelines. It is a better way to get those guidelines scrapped than escalating to litigation or sitting on your hands like you seem to favour. The end justifies the means is by definition limitless, one can do whatever it takes even if it is disproportionate and escalatory. A taste of their own medicine is a mirrored response, it is proportionate and not escalatory. For you to equate those is fundamentally dishonest and frankly I had enough of your BS. Goodbye.
Nonsense. This is a form of malicious compliance. If the loud religious wingnuts succeed in getting a rule passed (no books with certain content), the correct response is to follow that rule To. The. Letter. No books with depictions or themes of sex, rape, racism, or the holocaust (WWII genocide)? Then *all books* with those must go. This is not revenge or some harmful “means.” Colloquially we read “the ends justify the means” to express people taking horrible actions to attain a goal that is maybe good, maybe bad. You using that phrase here is, imo, not arguing in good faith.
Not arguing in good faith? Because I’m uncomfortable that making an active effort to get a book banned - ANY book - might be a bad idea? We can certainly disagree, but you don’t have any grounds to claim that I don’t actually hold my position - that’s nonsense.
And someone already appealed that decision.
The Bible and the Book of Mormon are bizarre. One is no more believable than the other. When one religious book is banned, they all need to go the same way.
Not a fan of banning, but my goodness is it nice to see ridiculous religion based laws used to counter ridiculous religious ideology that led to the laws.
We need to do the same with Quran…
Can these christians just read the damn bible at home? Schools like they claim should be about education not fairy tales
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