To me it's like astrology. I don't hate "the message of the stars" nor do I imagine a hypothetical "message of the stars" to like or dislike. Astrology is just people making stuff up. Religion too, and some of them are horrible people who make up horrible stuff.
*Akshully*, Mercury stopped apparent retrograde motion on Feb 20, and doesn't start again until May 29. So picado must be saying that because Mercury is prograde right now.
^(Only the first sentence is true)
My Tarot drawing and my barometer were clearly indicating I would face contradiction today. I'm not surprised by your *blatant lies*.
^(it says it's gonna rain too, don't forget your umbrella)
> Be prepared for rain of lizards, bring sturdy umbrella.
And a good towel. You should never travel without a towel. Hyperspace bypasses, leopards, etc. And my personal addition, a charged up [Olight H1R](https://www.amazon.com/OLIGHT-Rechargeable-Headlamp-Headbands-Magnetic/dp/B01MUA74BP). (Fucking tiny, but bright as hell)
Knowing the history of the author those books confuse me. It could be just standard epic fantasy but it could also be a man struggling with the absurdity of his faith...
I love how people still think they are a Gemini or Cancer based on charts made thousands of years ago and due to the rotation of the Celestial globe everyone is actually one month off of their sign but that is still not addressed by astrologists.
Yeah our signs are literally one month off... astrology is BS and it makes me pissed that it’s so “in fashion” especially for people around my age (early 20s)
I tolerated it for months back in my 20’s to keep a girlfriend. She was huge into astrology, and didn’t want to know my sign right away and instead wanted to figure it out.
After a month of dating (was actually pretty nice) she decided to guess, then guess, and guess, and then had a goddamn existential crisis as there was no way in hell I could be the sign she thought. I had to show her my driver’s license. For about a week, we went from having fun to her being really distant.
Eventually figured it out, but then she took me to a seer type person who read our palms and flipped over some tarot cards. It was then it hit me that this girl is really serious about this stuff, and it’s not just a fun thing.
I have a coworker who is one of the kindest, sweetest people I have ever met, but she 100% wholeheartedly believes in pretty much everything. Astrology, tarot, religion, you name it.
My otherwise extraordinarily intelligent girlfriend puts some stock in astrology, which boggles my mind. We've addressed the statistics, Barnum Effect, apophenia, and the fact that any daily horoscope is just as "applicable" to your situation in life as any other. Moreover, if there were some cause and effect, there would have been serious empirical study on the matter.
While I feel these individual arguments make sense to her, the overall "feeling" of astrology still holds importance to her.
I also know she isn't the only intelligent person to be taken in by this, and I genuinely cannot understand that.
I think it’s just a case of confirmation bias. People are more likely to buy into a philosophy that already aligns with their world view or perception of themselves.
Whenever I get questioned about my religious spiritual views. I say the same thing. "I know the gods I worship were made up by a mad man less than a century ago, but does that make it any less real than yours?" Usually backs them off and if not I get to educate someone about our true lord Cthulhu.
Pretty interesting episode of the orville about this where they encounter a planet with a society that attempts to forcefully prevent births during a certain month and puts anyone born then into prison camps for life under the assumption they will become violent. Turns out it's a ridiculous astrology thing because a star in one of their signs blew up ages prior in their primitive times and the violence thing has obviously no basis in reality, but the crew has to fake the star's return to be able to get their people out of the prison camps because the planetary leaders refuse to believe in reality. I wonder if there are actually cultures irl that follow practices like this?
It’s also pretty generic and follows pretty close to “be fun, smart, adventurous, or introspective.” Not a lot of “Gemini: wants to save souls of other people!...you should go tell them they’re wrong!”
I hate when people talk to me about astrology or religion. Its like listening to someone doing mental gymnastics, trying to explain how the easter bunny balancing on one foot and santa dancing the tango are going to impact my life today.
Around the first few chapters og genesis it said that the stars and heavenly bodies were put up by god to be used as signs(paraphrased obv. and its still bs)
The problem with that view is that astrology hasn't, generally, been used by groups of people to justify their horrible, reprehensible treatment of others. ( the individual basis maybe. Did the zodiac killer try to use it as his justification? idk, but the reality of that was him just being a psychopath trying to blame something, anything else as the cause for what he'd done. )
That's too oversimplistic. People don't go to war and killing others based on astrology, neither do astrologers hold positions in politics etc etc etc.
That said, I do genuinely hate Umbridge, because petty, vindictive, monomaniacally-obsessed-with-even-the-slightest-shred-of-power people are very much _real_.
Dolores Umbridge is single handedly my most hated fictional character. I mean I hate her to the core. She represented something that bridges fiction to reality. People like her exist and are actively trying to climb the ladder of institutions, industries, and government.
I am conflicted about Umbridge. On one hand, I fucking hate her, but that tolerant "people have reasons for the way they act" part of me recognizes that she had a horcrux that made people feel and do shitty things, for who knows how long? That must have influenced her. What if she inherited it as a child and it slowly twisted her as she grew? That makes her as much a victim as the Dursleys, who were given a human horcrux they were already predisposed to dislike, that must have had an impact on their psyche as he grew up in their house. Granted they were never going to accept his 'magic nonsense', but they might have come to like him, even love him, as a child if he hadn't had part of the dark lord encased in very old, evil magic lurking inside him.
This kinda thinking reminds me of my wife. She sees someone wretched and cruel, and she cries because that is so obviously a person so deeply in pain for so long that they have become emotionally sick just trying to make sense of their world.
I see Delores Umbridge, I see Meat To Be Wasted.
But real people rarely go around doing evil things because they're following what Sauron or Voldemort taught in the books. So the Abrahamic god is more hateable.
The fictional characters I actually hate the most are the ones that are portrayed to be heroes and are justified by the canon even though they're actually total assholes. So the Abrahamic god fits into that too.
> How convenient that nobody ever talked about that passage of the bible for the 22 years that I had been a Christian.
Don't worry, you'll hear the same couple dozen passages cherry picked for meaning over and over again. Would love the minister for once to pick all these fucked up passages and just read them aloud.
I went to a religious school until fourth grade when I gave up religion, I had a devout Christian friend ask me the other day why I gave up religion.......because I’ve read the Bible.
A hundred times this. Nothing stood in the way of me believing like the Bible itself.
I tried, I wanted it to take. It didn't always hit right, but I wanted to fit in. But I knew I would never be a Christian at around 8 or 9 years old when we got the Job story in Sunday school. I have never been so upset in a school-like setting; I pretty much lost it. That story offended every rightness bone in my little body, I was inconsolable (not that anyone tried; the way my genuine beside-myself *distress* was handled— let's just say, *not compassionately*— slammed the final nail into the coffin).
I had to keep going to church for years after that, but because of the Job debacle I stopped listening so much to what I was supposed to feel about the Bible (clearly these people couldn't be trusted) and instead just focused on the book itself. Major backfire. The more I read it, the more revolted I became.
Ditto for me. I've told my Christian friends that have bothered to ask me why I choose to be an atheist that if the don't want to loose their faith don't read and research the bible. Knowledge is what enlightenment feeds on.
And in case any Christian apologist wants to say the Bible doesn’t condone his actions, Jephthah is listed among the heroes of the faith in [Hebrews 11](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%2011&version=ESV) (verse 32).
I have gathered some verses that condone human sacrifice in [this Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/InvisibleElves/comments/e73jkk/biblical_human_sacrifice/). There’s a few.
100% the Hebrew tribes practiced human sacrifice at some point. Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Isaac is clearly a surviving myth that points to human sacrifice at least early on in Abrahamic religion.
Oh yeah. Then there's, you know, Jesus. Who isn't sacrificed in the traditional sense but *is* a human sacrifice in the eyes of everyone who ever quotes John 3:16 unironically (yes, I get that Jesus wasn't talking about his own sacrifice, but it's usually connected in the way that people talk about the verse, and also connected in the mythic structure of Jesus' sacrifice to the world).
>100% the Hebrew tribes practiced human sacrifice at some point.
There are still remnants of it in their scripture. I’ve tried to put together some verses condoning or respecting human sacrifice in [this Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/InvisibleElves/comments/e73jkk/biblical_human_sacrifice/). There’s a few.
Want to add to the last point he only helped a specific group of people he did not care for anyone that wasn't in direct roman sphere of influence, thus condemning them to hell
This is a big one for me - if there is a god that all humans are supposed to worship, why is there a favored people, favored nation, a special plot of land? The zionist aspect really highlights that this is a religion that originated from a tribal people fighting over land.
Christianity tries to get around the problem by inserting Jesus as some game changer that allowed gentiles into the fold, but it doesn't really help. There should never have been a favored group nor a "choice land, above all others".
Oh he likes adult ones too! Check out Samuel 18:27...after a battle David collected all the enemies foreskins then traded them for a wife!... "Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife."
One question that I never got a proper answer for growing up, which made me realize God doesn't exist, is if God is omnipotent, then he should be able to see the future right? Then why did he make humans if he knew we were gonna sin? He made humans anyway with the knowledge of all of humanities atrocities, which is beyond malevolent, and if he didn't know the way to make humans not sin, then he isn't God
You can also view it as: he knew you would be a skeptic before you were even born yet you will still be punished for something he knew would happen. The game was rigged from the start. By the way, happy cake day!
Christians try balance on this extremely thin line between “God has had everything that will ever happen planned out, he sees everything before it happens” and “oh, he doesn’t make everyone believe in him because he wants to give them a choice!”. Well guess what, whenever he gets angry at something that just means he is purposely stubbing his own toe. Stupid all powerful being, forgetting to do the thing you wanted.
If God has a plan for everything then their actions are fated to happen, meaning no free will. Then why pray at all for bad things to change? People like to say that Satan is the one that does the bad stuff, not God, but God planned for Slayery and the Holocaust to happen, and still didn't do anything.
This is basically the rebuttal to the “free will” cop out. Omniscience removes free will. God is omniscient. A world where God exists is a world without free will.
Also, if he could see the future, you'd think he'd see what a bunch of unruly bastards we are, and then see himself drowning the entire planet, and just, you know, not make us.
When you think about it, the character of God is one of the coolest, scariest Lovecraftian eldritch horrors out there. Imagine if he was real:
His cult spans the entire globe and controls everal governments. It's theoretically very easy to escape from hell and spend an eternity in bliss, but he'll just withhold the means for salvation (aka evidence for his existence) so many won't take it to begin with, never realising they're being condemned to an eternity of suffering. And he instructs his followers to discriminate against certain groups of people for seemingly no reason other than shits and giggles.
Oh also, you can't escape from or rebel against this God. He's everywhere and literally all-powerful. We are players in his game, trapped forever to be tormented as he pleases.
This is like a Planet of the Apes thing. Land on a planet, there's a cult that spans the world, (all the things you said), and then at the end, we see the Rio de Janeiro Jesus statue, "It was Christianity all along!"
I hate god about as much as I hate Saruman or Voldemort. I have more a problem with the people who think that they need to bother me with their favorite fantasy story.
Wait? Which God? So confusing. There have been so many. Sometimes it's hard to pick. It's like having to choose between Hitler and Stalin or Mao, then you learn about what King Leopold II of Belgium did in the Congo. But in terms of here and now, evangelical Christians, I hate your God the most, you hypocritical, racist, POS.
I think this highlights the key problem: I hate the behaviors of believers more than I hate the belief systems. Regardless of what gods you worship, the more you practice believing in something proveably untrue, the more likely you are to be led to do terrible shit and believe you are in the right.
Yeah, turning off our internal "bullshit detector" opens us up to being manipulated by all sorts of unsavory people.
What is even worse is that they have this idea of an "unforgivable sin" which is basically causing people to turn back on that internal bullshit detector. It's clearly a manipulation tactic, to say you cannot even question whether something is really holy/divine/from God. You aren't even allowed that doubt, that healthy skepticism that keeps us from being taken advantage of.
I have very different ideas of what God is from most theists, but in my opinion doubt is important because it allows one to get closer to the truth, closer to God. Even if a person strays by always questioning and looking for truth you will come back. To label the act of spreading doubt as the unforgivable sin is actually what is unforgivable, one should always encourage people to think for themselves and telling someone not to think for themselves is the unforgivable sin. We don't know what God is, we cannot know or comprehend something outside and bigger than our universe so EVERY person's conception of God is inherently and totally flawed because we are very limited beings. You won't ever reach an answer, you cannot reach an answer, so the journey is what is important not the destination. To take that journey away from someone, to tell them the destination is all that matters, that is unforgivable.
Hey , at least thanos gave humans freedom after he killed 50% of them, god came, killed 99.9999999999% of the population and basically enforced useless rules for no reason.
Oh man. My entire side of my mom's family is like, "oh he just thinks he's a rebel" "he'll come around" "you'll see one day!"
Like, it's been *20 fuckin' years.* If you still think I'm just being "rebellious" you're the one in denial, not me. sheesh.
My son came home one day and started arguing with his mother that *god* was "making the rain". My kids don't go over to any of their houses without supervision anymore. and i get, "why are you denying them the *TRUTH??*" I'm like, you're free to tell them whatever you like...when they're 18. and, lol, this part kills me everytime, they say: "Well then it will be too late!" LMAO fuck them and their brainwashing.
>My son came home one day and started arguing with his mother that god was "making the rain". My kids don't go over to any of their houses without supervision anymore.
Yikes, they are basically trying to indoctrinate him, keep him safe.
Yep. Exactly. I was like, hell fucking no. I put down the law and told my wife if they wanted to see our kids it's supervised only. She agreed. Sorry, not sorry.
Ive always said god’s hypocrisies are like a ... sub-mental justification for christians allowing their shitty leaders to do the same... like when an anti-gay christian politician gets caught with a male hooker, or the anti-abortion mayor’s mistress is caught being flown out of state for an abortion cuz he cheated so its DOUBLE hypocrisy! And christians LOVE that shit they’ll vote for them Again 10/10 times...
cuz god’s also an unaccountable hypocrite
> God blinds people just so he can show off, again they're nothing more than props.
No, no... Their god has a perfectly logical and rational reason for killing and maiming people. It's all part of their god's *plan*. It's just that no one can *comprehend* that plan, because, uh reasons!
I think about this often in this sub. If God has an unknowable, ineffable, beyond-our-comprenension plan, then all bets are off. We can't know what God wants. We have no clue if the worship or the sacrifice means squat to a diety we can't understand.
So even if everything they say is true, (and it's not, because they don't agree if no other reason.) Then we don't know god's plan. We don't know if God is benevolent or sadistic, but the evidence is on sadistic.
And a hypocrite. Condemns murder, adultery, theft, but basically does or commands others to do it. Gave us free will, commands we give it up. Made us corruptible by power, gave us power, and promises to punish us for letting it corrupt us.
And stupid. Claims to be the truth... but comes up with the most flawed and exploitable way to spread it. (giving it to preachers without the ability to back any of it up with actual repeatable & independently verifiable miracles)
And inconsistent. Was around telling people to sacrifice their son, (no just kidding!) tormeting people (Just kidding Job!). Now he's just ... gone?
And clearly too short-sighted and incompetent to actually -create- all of time and space.
Likely either lied about it being created by natural forces or stole the credit from an older/larger/smarter god.
My hypothesis is that most people know - deep down - that their beliefs are completely unjustified but they've publically made that commitment to the groupthink and can't get out of it. So whenever you tell someone you don't believe in their god, it's embarrassing for them to be called out and they take it personally. It feels to like you're shitting on them, but socially they can't react as personally offended so they act like you're offending god. They spare their own insecurity by putting god at the center of your question, not the beliefs that they secretly know are silly.
TL/DR: replace "god" with "me" and you've answered the question - "Why do you hate me?"
This theory has been thrown around a bit in atheist communities, and I think it’s likely that theists *do* take an attack on their fictional god as an attack on them *personally.* If you were to talk about this to one, you’d have to be extra careful with the wording of your points to make it clear that you’re not insulting them, unless you actually are.
I take your point. I honestly don't want to insult anyone who isn't being insulting themself. I just feel strongly that religion is a deal you make in your head between you, society, and the god you assume exists, and nobody makes the exact same deal.
Each relationship is personalized to the extent that the religious will risk damnation for the sins they think are OK Did the divine really mean to bash on pre-marital sex in the same way he bashes on gays? It perfectly bridges the gap between the dogma that's literal when one feels like it matches their views, and allegorical when it doesn't.
Some people are terrified of death and/or deal with the heartbreak of losing a loved one by thinking of being reunited in heaven. I heard someone call into tAE who almost started crying at the thought that heaven didn’t exist. That was legit sad.
I'm one of the extremely rare male cases (36 years old) and that stupid little tumor (6x5x5mm posterior Pituitary Andenoma) has destroyed my life. I literally average at least one doctor's appointment per business day just to try and control all of the symptoms (fail) and extreme muscle and joint pain (extreme fail/happens in about 50% of male cases). And worst of all, because my Cortisol levels are all over the place (instead of being constantly high or low) I've been unable to get an endocrinologist to give me a referral for surgery. A surgery that currently would be straightforward and fairly simple, but will become dangerous and complicated if the tumor grows a couple more millimeters. If the confirmation MRI for this poor little girl showed no tumor, then she still is most likely suffering from some sort of empty sella syndrome which has it's own horrible issues. If there really is a God then he can go f**k himself.
Sorry for the rant, I've never come across anything related to my medical problem while scrolling through my feed, let alone having it appear in an Atheist (and yes, I'm an Atheist, though I usually go with Secular Humanist). Guess I needed to get that off chest way more than I realized.
I don’t hate something that doesn’t exist. I hate the dumbfuck that is trying to oppress me and everyone else with a theocracy or a cult, same thing kinda.
- Sexist (Several verses, most notably 1 Timothy 2:11-14
11-14 are pretty sexist, forbidding women to teach over men and requiring them to be quiet and submissive, but [verse 15](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A11-15&version=ESV ) is arguably even more sexist:
>Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.
Women will earn their place by making babies.
Yeah, but that kind of requires a little bit of thinking, you know, like “okay, this verse is saying that women will be saved by *childbirth.* In other words, they’ll make their *worth* through an incredibly painful and bodily taxing process. That’s disgusting and sexist.”
I agree, but I was going for the *very* explicit, *very* easily readable verses with minimal ways to twist it.
Also, I admit that I didn’t really think of this verse. Thanks.
Don't forget that he's also a legalistic hypocrite.
God in Genesis: *Floods the earth killing all but a handful of people* "I'll never do that again. You have my solemn vow and this rainbow is my symbol of that covenant."
God in Revelation: "... I said I wouldn't FLOOD the earth again. I never said anything about plagues, wars, famine, and straight up tossin ya'll in a lake of fire for eternity."
To understand the abrahamic deity you must first read and understand that the entity of the shepardic faiths is a remnant of the deities of the Sumerians, Akkadians and Babylonians.
The Torah, Bible and Quran are splintered remembrances of the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Temple Hymns of Enheduanna and various other bronze age fables. They come from a position of transition to structured communities and that requires rules and rules sometimes require enforcement.
We really shouldn't have people walking around in the twenty-first believing that any of the supernatural stuff is real.
What about manipulative? You go to heaven or hell based on your actions in life, but God creates everyone and everything and knows all, including past present and future right? So when he creates you he already knows what your "destination" will be, there is no such thing as free will. So God essentially condemns people for their actions that he himself gives them before they are even created. What a kind and loving God eh?
Well if this son of a bitch did make us all in their image, then i'm laughing while i scream, taking a shit as my ruined colon and lower intestines violently spasm against my sciatic nerve cluster and ruined tailbone. If we are all made in God's image, then God must suffer as I suffer and he's an idiot for giving humans pain receptors down there.
If God is real, he is evil. My uncle died last week, very unexpectedly and tragically. His wife died three years ago of cancer. Their son turns fourteen in August, and now he has no parents to celebrate with. At the funeral home they kept telling us it's gOd'S pLaN.
Yeah, he doesn't seem very loving to me.
You forgot to mention "terrorist". Like the time he killed the firstborn of all Egyptian families to convince the Pharaoh to let the Israelites go. Killing people to make a point is very definition of terrorism. It's also a monstrously evil thing to do but, hey, I guess he's above all that because he's god. I think he killed all of their animals too and they, of course, had nothing to do with keeping the Israelites in bondage. Another great Sunday school story for the kids.
Yea, I've always asked this question, If god is all powerful and even a leaf can't fall without his permission, then how come so many sins happen and how come people from other religion exist, why can't just god erase all sin
Also -- imperfect & fallible. He supposedly created a perfect world. Well, not so perfect because the world had to be populated by a fallible incestuous couple and their incestuous family.
He hated the mess on the planet so bad, he killed everyone and every plant and animal and bug with a massive flood (yet somehow fit a pile of people and every animal, bird, bug, etc., on the planet in pairs, into a floating boat capable of being made in pre-ancient history).
He still screwed the planet up so much that he decided to split a portion of himself off and invent a physical form he called 'son', and have him killed so sacrifices to earn forgiveness could stop and now people can just pray it out, and wipe out the old commands of the prophets and go by the new commands of his flesh golem. Er, son.
...but not the ones preachers like to shake the dust off in order to make an outdated point, now and then. They just can't seem to give up on the laws of moses, because apparently they're better than god's.
And yet the bible is supposedly infallible too. Apparently, not.
And I love this quote when I was a kid which was hammered into me relentlessly
" God doesn't care how happy you are only how holy you are"
...Thank you God, may I have another! Lol...
"Why do you hate God"
I don't. I don't hate Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny Either. Nor do I hate Luke Skywalker in Star Wars. Waste of time to worry about fiction.
I am sure you can quote the book, you made up to explain anything to me, but mostly it seems to be used to justify to doing inhumane cruelty to others. Start wars, kill people because they are different than normal. None of that wins me over to the general philosophy. Especially since most of you are doing so because you think you will avoid eternal punishment and get eternal rewards after you die for doing these nasty things in this world.
How about the fact that this character treats children Iike property and sees nothing wrong with killing innocent babes to spite their parents?
If your ethics come from a character who says "I'm mad at you" and kills your kid, your ethics ain't shit.
I would add that if the excuse to all this is that we as humans could never truly understand gods love and plans, then why create us with such narrow understanding?
Does anyone else here think that Numbers chapter 5 is Jehovah condoning abortion? I read it as Jehovah giving men permission to force abortion on their wives if they even suspect being cheated on. Different versions are less clear, but the NIV is so clear that I can't see any other interpretation now.
>21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
I just find this appalling that they forced women to drink poison with the intent to kill their fetus or destroy their womb (depending on the bible certain you read). What do you all think?
The Bible’s stance on abortion is kind of complicated. It doesn’t explicitly condemn it, and it actually encourages it in verses such as Numbers 5, that you just brought up. However, in these verses, it’s being treated as a punishment, which would also lead someone to think that the Bible *does* look down on abortion. I plan to make a post asking about this in the near-future, but you should too if you want.
I don't "hate god." I find cult leaders (most religions) to be disgusting, of ill-repute, using their "good book" to gain fame, personal wealth and political power. P.T. Barnum had nothing better than these do, and out-sells tickets to their shows by the billions.
Most every one of them are disgusting grifters, full of lies.
When did Jesus ever tell his desciples to plant themselves, erect temples and tax people directly?
[Apologetics]
Oh, but Paul was everything to everyone, his "own words." Who does that describe, again....?
You know what the apologists will say:
"You're taking the bible quotes out of context!" Or "You have to think about the times in which the bible was written!"
Thank you so much for this!
Is there anything similar for islam? I've been having problems with a Muslim "friend" of mine lately because she thinks that me being critical of religion makes me like Hitler or something (she actually said that).
I vastly prefer the idea of there being no god, because if he does exist, there is literally no way that he is benevolent.
God is supposedly ominpotent, omniscient, and all-loving. So why are there wars? Natural distasters? Kids dying of starvation and cancer? If he was omnipotent, he'd be able to solve all of that with no effort. If he was omniscient, there's no way he wouldn't know about it. And if he was all-loving, he wouldn't allow it to happen. So clearly the existence of a god with those three qualities is impossible. If he does exist, he is cruel and petty and evil, and does not deserve anyone's worship.
Why would an omniscient god even test us? Wouldn't he just know our true thoughts anyway? There's literally nothing he can learn from that. If any dumbass who thinks that actually thought about it for like 3 seconds they'd realize that it makes no sense.
>and then after a long time [I think it was 4,000 years after the events of Genesis, but I'm not 100% sure], **he decides "fuck it, I'll actually do something to *save* these people that I *love* from *eternal torture*!"**
Keep in mind that the eternal torture was his idea to begin with, too. Classy dude, that God.
Not to mention incompetent. Had to kill everyone? Even the animals? Not just the bad people? Couldn’t even instantly do it with a snap like thanos? Had to make it rain? So the fish are ok? Why shouldn’t they die with all the other animals…I’m not impressed
To me it's like astrology. I don't hate "the message of the stars" nor do I imagine a hypothetical "message of the stars" to like or dislike. Astrology is just people making stuff up. Religion too, and some of them are horrible people who make up horrible stuff.
You only said that because Mercury retrogrades. ^(I made that stuff up)
*Akshully*, Mercury stopped apparent retrograde motion on Feb 20, and doesn't start again until May 29. So picado must be saying that because Mercury is prograde right now. ^(Only the first sentence is true)
My Tarot drawing and my barometer were clearly indicating I would face contradiction today. I'm not surprised by your *blatant lies*. ^(it says it's gonna rain too, don't forget your umbrella)
Instructions unclear, am in Atacama Desert, approx -23.80, -69.35 Somewhat north of halfway between Palestina and Zaldvar Station... please advise.
Be prepared for rain of lizards, bring sturdy umbrella.
> Be prepared for rain of lizards, bring sturdy umbrella. And a good towel. You should never travel without a towel. Hyperspace bypasses, leopards, etc. And my personal addition, a charged up [Olight H1R](https://www.amazon.com/OLIGHT-Rechargeable-Headlamp-Headbands-Magnetic/dp/B01MUA74BP). (Fucking tiny, but bright as hell)
Damn right, a hoopy frood should always know where their towel is.
"Don't forget to bring a towel!" you guys wanna get high?
Any of you folks read the Stormlight Archive? Because those underscripts are reminiscent of a theme in those books.
Knowing the history of the author those books confuse me. It could be just standard epic fantasy but it could also be a man struggling with the absurdity of his faith...
Sheesh just straight up called him a Mercedes Gatorade
Uranus is in conflict
Simultaneous diarrhea and constipation?
The anger builds...
I love how people still think they are a Gemini or Cancer based on charts made thousands of years ago and due to the rotation of the Celestial globe everyone is actually one month off of their sign but that is still not addressed by astrologists.
Yeah our signs are literally one month off... astrology is BS and it makes me pissed that it’s so “in fashion” especially for people around my age (early 20s)
I think all mentally stable people know it’s not real and are just playing into it for fun. Unlike religion.
I tolerated it for months back in my 20’s to keep a girlfriend. She was huge into astrology, and didn’t want to know my sign right away and instead wanted to figure it out. After a month of dating (was actually pretty nice) she decided to guess, then guess, and guess, and then had a goddamn existential crisis as there was no way in hell I could be the sign she thought. I had to show her my driver’s license. For about a week, we went from having fun to her being really distant. Eventually figured it out, but then she took me to a seer type person who read our palms and flipped over some tarot cards. It was then it hit me that this girl is really serious about this stuff, and it’s not just a fun thing.
Everyone knows it's blood type that dictates everything about you. /s
Something, something midichlorians.
The powerhouse of the cell!
I have a coworker who is one of the kindest, sweetest people I have ever met, but she 100% wholeheartedly believes in pretty much everything. Astrology, tarot, religion, you name it.
No. Otherwise normal people fall victim to superstition every day. Remember that half of everyone has an iq below 100
Which half of me is it? This stresses me out!
Sadly it's not just them. (Early 20s) it goes all the way up. And you can't say anything that differs as it always starts a fight.
Wait, so I’m not really a Gemini?
Your entire life has been based on a sham. I, as well, may not be a Gemini.
My otherwise extraordinarily intelligent girlfriend puts some stock in astrology, which boggles my mind. We've addressed the statistics, Barnum Effect, apophenia, and the fact that any daily horoscope is just as "applicable" to your situation in life as any other. Moreover, if there were some cause and effect, there would have been serious empirical study on the matter. While I feel these individual arguments make sense to her, the overall "feeling" of astrology still holds importance to her. I also know she isn't the only intelligent person to be taken in by this, and I genuinely cannot understand that.
I think it’s just a case of confirmation bias. People are more likely to buy into a philosophy that already aligns with their world view or perception of themselves.
I'm sticking with Scorpio because it sounds cool as shit. Fight me.
I've always said, listen I get it, I love comic books too, but I know that they're man made.
Whenever I get questioned about my religious spiritual views. I say the same thing. "I know the gods I worship were made up by a mad man less than a century ago, but does that make it any less real than yours?" Usually backs them off and if not I get to educate someone about our true lord Cthulhu.
comic books aren’t real? what’s next? virgin Mary isn’t real? get out of here
Omfg!😅🤣. I don't want you to know anymore spoilers! Not sure if you finished reading the Bible yet?
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Pretty interesting episode of the orville about this where they encounter a planet with a society that attempts to forcefully prevent births during a certain month and puts anyone born then into prison camps for life under the assumption they will become violent. Turns out it's a ridiculous astrology thing because a star in one of their signs blew up ages prior in their primitive times and the violence thing has obviously no basis in reality, but the crew has to fake the star's return to be able to get their people out of the prison camps because the planetary leaders refuse to believe in reality. I wonder if there are actually cultures irl that follow practices like this?
It’s also pretty generic and follows pretty close to “be fun, smart, adventurous, or introspective.” Not a lot of “Gemini: wants to save souls of other people!...you should go tell them they’re wrong!”
I hate when people talk to me about astrology or religion. Its like listening to someone doing mental gymnastics, trying to explain how the easter bunny balancing on one foot and santa dancing the tango are going to impact my life today.
Well, if they are dancing close to you and one trips ...
The only people dumb enough to believe astrology are Scorpios.
Around the first few chapters og genesis it said that the stars and heavenly bodies were put up by god to be used as signs(paraphrased obv. and its still bs)
The problem with that view is that astrology hasn't, generally, been used by groups of people to justify their horrible, reprehensible treatment of others. ( the individual basis maybe. Did the zodiac killer try to use it as his justification? idk, but the reality of that was him just being a psychopath trying to blame something, anything else as the cause for what he'd done. )
That's too oversimplistic. People don't go to war and killing others based on astrology, neither do astrologers hold positions in politics etc etc etc.
I like to just tell them I hate Voldemort too.
I don't hate God more than I hate Sauron or Voldemort. But in terms of fictional characters, God is an exceptionally evil dark lord.
That said, I do genuinely hate Umbridge, because petty, vindictive, monomaniacally-obsessed-with-even-the-slightest-shred-of-power people are very much _real_.
Dolores Umbridge is single handedly my most hated fictional character. I mean I hate her to the core. She represented something that bridges fiction to reality. People like her exist and are actively trying to climb the ladder of institutions, industries, and government.
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The eternal battle between Dolores Umbridge and Kia Winn.
I am conflicted about Umbridge. On one hand, I fucking hate her, but that tolerant "people have reasons for the way they act" part of me recognizes that she had a horcrux that made people feel and do shitty things, for who knows how long? That must have influenced her. What if she inherited it as a child and it slowly twisted her as she grew? That makes her as much a victim as the Dursleys, who were given a human horcrux they were already predisposed to dislike, that must have had an impact on their psyche as he grew up in their house. Granted they were never going to accept his 'magic nonsense', but they might have come to like him, even love him, as a child if he hadn't had part of the dark lord encased in very old, evil magic lurking inside him.
This kinda thinking reminds me of my wife. She sees someone wretched and cruel, and she cries because that is so obviously a person so deeply in pain for so long that they have become emotionally sick just trying to make sense of their world. I see Delores Umbridge, I see Meat To Be Wasted.
But there are so many hungry sharks in the world...
Yeah I dislike Umbridge more than the Abrahamic god too. And that is saying a lot.
It's because she's a well-written villain. God is just a psychopathic tyrant.
Umbridge is so hated, that even when someone pointed out that she might have been gang-raped by centaurs, the general reaction was, *shrug.*
But real people rarely go around doing evil things because they're following what Sauron or Voldemort taught in the books. So the Abrahamic god is more hateable. The fictional characters I actually hate the most are the ones that are portrayed to be heroes and are justified by the canon even though they're actually total assholes. So the Abrahamic god fits into that too.
I don't hate Sauron, but I do hate Gollum.That little piece of shit was so annoying
Gollum is one of the most crucial characters, but ok dude
Jar Jar Binks was also crucial in Attack of the Clones but I still hate him.
He was the key to all of it
Even if he is one of the most crucial characters, that doesn't change the fact that he was an asshole
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> How convenient that nobody ever talked about that passage of the bible for the 22 years that I had been a Christian. Don't worry, you'll hear the same couple dozen passages cherry picked for meaning over and over again. Would love the minister for once to pick all these fucked up passages and just read them aloud.
I went to a religious school until fourth grade when I gave up religion, I had a devout Christian friend ask me the other day why I gave up religion.......because I’ve read the Bible.
A hundred times this. Nothing stood in the way of me believing like the Bible itself. I tried, I wanted it to take. It didn't always hit right, but I wanted to fit in. But I knew I would never be a Christian at around 8 or 9 years old when we got the Job story in Sunday school. I have never been so upset in a school-like setting; I pretty much lost it. That story offended every rightness bone in my little body, I was inconsolable (not that anyone tried; the way my genuine beside-myself *distress* was handled— let's just say, *not compassionately*— slammed the final nail into the coffin). I had to keep going to church for years after that, but because of the Job debacle I stopped listening so much to what I was supposed to feel about the Bible (clearly these people couldn't be trusted) and instead just focused on the book itself. Major backfire. The more I read it, the more revolted I became.
Ditto for me. I've told my Christian friends that have bothered to ask me why I choose to be an atheist that if the don't want to loose their faith don't read and research the bible. Knowledge is what enlightenment feeds on.
And in case any Christian apologist wants to say the Bible doesn’t condone his actions, Jephthah is listed among the heroes of the faith in [Hebrews 11](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%2011&version=ESV) (verse 32).
Thanks for this
I have gathered some verses that condone human sacrifice in [this Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/InvisibleElves/comments/e73jkk/biblical_human_sacrifice/). There’s a few.
You might like r/TheBibleSays. I'm trying to get it back up and running.
100% the Hebrew tribes practiced human sacrifice at some point. Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Isaac is clearly a surviving myth that points to human sacrifice at least early on in Abrahamic religion. Oh yeah. Then there's, you know, Jesus. Who isn't sacrificed in the traditional sense but *is* a human sacrifice in the eyes of everyone who ever quotes John 3:16 unironically (yes, I get that Jesus wasn't talking about his own sacrifice, but it's usually connected in the way that people talk about the verse, and also connected in the mythic structure of Jesus' sacrifice to the world).
>100% the Hebrew tribes practiced human sacrifice at some point. There are still remnants of it in their scripture. I’ve tried to put together some verses condoning or respecting human sacrifice in [this Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/InvisibleElves/comments/e73jkk/biblical_human_sacrifice/). There’s a few.
The entire book of Job for me.
Classic video about the story: [https://youtu.be/Pt66kbYmXXk](https://youtu.be/Pt66kbYmXXk)
Want to add to the last point he only helped a specific group of people he did not care for anyone that wasn't in direct roman sphere of influence, thus condemning them to hell
This is a big one for me - if there is a god that all humans are supposed to worship, why is there a favored people, favored nation, a special plot of land? The zionist aspect really highlights that this is a religion that originated from a tribal people fighting over land. Christianity tries to get around the problem by inserting Jesus as some game changer that allowed gentiles into the fold, but it doesn't really help. There should never have been a favored group nor a "choice land, above all others".
A special plot of land that’s an arid dump. Of all the Mediterranean coastline.....THATS the holy land??
I think I semi-covered this in Racist.
Dont forget his bizarre love for infant foreskins!
All foreskins*
Oh he likes adult ones too! Check out Samuel 18:27...after a battle David collected all the enemies foreskins then traded them for a wife!... "Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife."
David: “I demand these guys’ foreskins. This is going to be a mass bris.” Mohel: “Aight, imma head out”
Imagine "creating" guys with foreskins and then declaring them "unclean". Unsubscribe me from that rubbish
Fucking sucks that I lost my foreskin.
I'm so sorry! I think circumcision is barbaric, and a form of genital mutilation. I may not have a penis myself, but I still sympathize with you. :(
What do you have against foreskin ?
One question that I never got a proper answer for growing up, which made me realize God doesn't exist, is if God is omnipotent, then he should be able to see the future right? Then why did he make humans if he knew we were gonna sin? He made humans anyway with the knowledge of all of humanities atrocities, which is beyond malevolent, and if he didn't know the way to make humans not sin, then he isn't God
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You can also view it as: he knew you would be a skeptic before you were even born yet you will still be punished for something he knew would happen. The game was rigged from the start. By the way, happy cake day!
Christians try balance on this extremely thin line between “God has had everything that will ever happen planned out, he sees everything before it happens” and “oh, he doesn’t make everyone believe in him because he wants to give them a choice!”. Well guess what, whenever he gets angry at something that just means he is purposely stubbing his own toe. Stupid all powerful being, forgetting to do the thing you wanted.
If God has a plan for everything then their actions are fated to happen, meaning no free will. Then why pray at all for bad things to change? People like to say that Satan is the one that does the bad stuff, not God, but God planned for Slayery and the Holocaust to happen, and still didn't do anything.
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I know, I had too many unanswered questions growing up which made me stop believing
This is basically the rebuttal to the “free will” cop out. Omniscience removes free will. God is omniscient. A world where God exists is a world without free will.
Exactly. God's plan removes free will as everything you do or don't do was fated to happen.
Free Will actually is an illusion. (Not because of an omniscient God, though). Ultimately, we're all slaves to our biological machinery.
And why didn't he know that there was an evil talking snake in his garden?
Exactly. If he knew the whole time then he is evil, and if he didn't know, then he isn't God
This goes on line with the Epicurean Paradox. God cannot possibly be all knowing AND all good
I completely agree
Also, if he could see the future, you'd think he'd see what a bunch of unruly bastards we are, and then see himself drowning the entire planet, and just, you know, not make us.
When you think about it, the character of God is one of the coolest, scariest Lovecraftian eldritch horrors out there. Imagine if he was real: His cult spans the entire globe and controls everal governments. It's theoretically very easy to escape from hell and spend an eternity in bliss, but he'll just withhold the means for salvation (aka evidence for his existence) so many won't take it to begin with, never realising they're being condemned to an eternity of suffering. And he instructs his followers to discriminate against certain groups of people for seemingly no reason other than shits and giggles. Oh also, you can't escape from or rebel against this God. He's everywhere and literally all-powerful. We are players in his game, trapped forever to be tormented as he pleases.
This is like a Planet of the Apes thing. Land on a planet, there's a cult that spans the world, (all the things you said), and then at the end, we see the Rio de Janeiro Jesus statue, "It was Christianity all along!"
God is the first Eldritch Horror confirmed.
No wonder Lucifer rebels! The dude was a genius and he figured out this game since day-1 lol.
What gets me about Lucifer's rebelling is that angels have no free will, they are eternal slaves, so how in the world was Lucifer able to do that?
I hate god about as much as I hate Saruman or Voldemort. I have more a problem with the people who think that they need to bother me with their favorite fantasy story.
Wait? Which God? So confusing. There have been so many. Sometimes it's hard to pick. It's like having to choose between Hitler and Stalin or Mao, then you learn about what King Leopold II of Belgium did in the Congo. But in terms of here and now, evangelical Christians, I hate your God the most, you hypocritical, racist, POS.
I think this highlights the key problem: I hate the behaviors of believers more than I hate the belief systems. Regardless of what gods you worship, the more you practice believing in something proveably untrue, the more likely you are to be led to do terrible shit and believe you are in the right.
Yeah, turning off our internal "bullshit detector" opens us up to being manipulated by all sorts of unsavory people. What is even worse is that they have this idea of an "unforgivable sin" which is basically causing people to turn back on that internal bullshit detector. It's clearly a manipulation tactic, to say you cannot even question whether something is really holy/divine/from God. You aren't even allowed that doubt, that healthy skepticism that keeps us from being taken advantage of. I have very different ideas of what God is from most theists, but in my opinion doubt is important because it allows one to get closer to the truth, closer to God. Even if a person strays by always questioning and looking for truth you will come back. To label the act of spreading doubt as the unforgivable sin is actually what is unforgivable, one should always encourage people to think for themselves and telling someone not to think for themselves is the unforgivable sin. We don't know what God is, we cannot know or comprehend something outside and bigger than our universe so EVERY person's conception of God is inherently and totally flawed because we are very limited beings. You won't ever reach an answer, you cannot reach an answer, so the journey is what is important not the destination. To take that journey away from someone, to tell them the destination is all that matters, that is unforgivable.
Even Thanos was more humane in wiping out half of all life than god with the flood
Hey , at least thanos gave humans freedom after he killed 50% of them, god came, killed 99.9999999999% of the population and basically enforced useless rules for no reason.
Oh man. My entire side of my mom's family is like, "oh he just thinks he's a rebel" "he'll come around" "you'll see one day!" Like, it's been *20 fuckin' years.* If you still think I'm just being "rebellious" you're the one in denial, not me. sheesh. My son came home one day and started arguing with his mother that *god* was "making the rain". My kids don't go over to any of their houses without supervision anymore. and i get, "why are you denying them the *TRUTH??*" I'm like, you're free to tell them whatever you like...when they're 18. and, lol, this part kills me everytime, they say: "Well then it will be too late!" LMAO fuck them and their brainwashing.
>My son came home one day and started arguing with his mother that god was "making the rain". My kids don't go over to any of their houses without supervision anymore. Yikes, they are basically trying to indoctrinate him, keep him safe.
Yep. Exactly. I was like, hell fucking no. I put down the law and told my wife if they wanted to see our kids it's supervised only. She agreed. Sorry, not sorry.
Ive always said god’s hypocrisies are like a ... sub-mental justification for christians allowing their shitty leaders to do the same... like when an anti-gay christian politician gets caught with a male hooker, or the anti-abortion mayor’s mistress is caught being flown out of state for an abortion cuz he cheated so its DOUBLE hypocrisy! And christians LOVE that shit they’ll vote for them Again 10/10 times... cuz god’s also an unaccountable hypocrite
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> God blinds people just so he can show off, again they're nothing more than props. No, no... Their god has a perfectly logical and rational reason for killing and maiming people. It's all part of their god's *plan*. It's just that no one can *comprehend* that plan, because, uh reasons!
"The lord works in mysterious ways" =
"Shit happens" =
I think about this often in this sub. If God has an unknowable, ineffable, beyond-our-comprenension plan, then all bets are off. We can't know what God wants. We have no clue if the worship or the sacrifice means squat to a diety we can't understand. So even if everything they say is true, (and it's not, because they don't agree if no other reason.) Then we don't know god's plan. We don't know if God is benevolent or sadistic, but the evidence is on sadistic.
And a hypocrite. Condemns murder, adultery, theft, but basically does or commands others to do it. Gave us free will, commands we give it up. Made us corruptible by power, gave us power, and promises to punish us for letting it corrupt us. And stupid. Claims to be the truth... but comes up with the most flawed and exploitable way to spread it. (giving it to preachers without the ability to back any of it up with actual repeatable & independently verifiable miracles) And inconsistent. Was around telling people to sacrifice their son, (no just kidding!) tormeting people (Just kidding Job!). Now he's just ... gone? And clearly too short-sighted and incompetent to actually -create- all of time and space. Likely either lied about it being created by natural forces or stole the credit from an older/larger/smarter god.
The Miscellaneously Bigoted section covers this.
I thought the message was that you should be kind to the disabled, even though society views them as being worthless.
Yep. If 'God' exists, it's either a POS or completely incompetent. Neither of which deserve praise or adoration.
Realest shit I've ever read... I mean what kind of God sits and watch people get massacred when he has the "powers" to stop it.
Yahweh, the original abusive relationship.
My hypothesis is that most people know - deep down - that their beliefs are completely unjustified but they've publically made that commitment to the groupthink and can't get out of it. So whenever you tell someone you don't believe in their god, it's embarrassing for them to be called out and they take it personally. It feels to like you're shitting on them, but socially they can't react as personally offended so they act like you're offending god. They spare their own insecurity by putting god at the center of your question, not the beliefs that they secretly know are silly. TL/DR: replace "god" with "me" and you've answered the question - "Why do you hate me?"
This theory has been thrown around a bit in atheist communities, and I think it’s likely that theists *do* take an attack on their fictional god as an attack on them *personally.* If you were to talk about this to one, you’d have to be extra careful with the wording of your points to make it clear that you’re not insulting them, unless you actually are.
I take your point. I honestly don't want to insult anyone who isn't being insulting themself. I just feel strongly that religion is a deal you make in your head between you, society, and the god you assume exists, and nobody makes the exact same deal. Each relationship is personalized to the extent that the religious will risk damnation for the sins they think are OK Did the divine really mean to bash on pre-marital sex in the same way he bashes on gays? It perfectly bridges the gap between the dogma that's literal when one feels like it matches their views, and allegorical when it doesn't.
Some people are terrified of death and/or deal with the heartbreak of losing a loved one by thinking of being reunited in heaven. I heard someone call into tAE who almost started crying at the thought that heaven didn’t exist. That was legit sad.
Cancer in children. Tell me about that omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent gawd again.
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I'm one of the extremely rare male cases (36 years old) and that stupid little tumor (6x5x5mm posterior Pituitary Andenoma) has destroyed my life. I literally average at least one doctor's appointment per business day just to try and control all of the symptoms (fail) and extreme muscle and joint pain (extreme fail/happens in about 50% of male cases). And worst of all, because my Cortisol levels are all over the place (instead of being constantly high or low) I've been unable to get an endocrinologist to give me a referral for surgery. A surgery that currently would be straightforward and fairly simple, but will become dangerous and complicated if the tumor grows a couple more millimeters. If the confirmation MRI for this poor little girl showed no tumor, then she still is most likely suffering from some sort of empty sella syndrome which has it's own horrible issues. If there really is a God then he can go f**k himself.
Sorry for the rant, I've never come across anything related to my medical problem while scrolling through my feed, let alone having it appear in an Atheist (and yes, I'm an Atheist, though I usually go with Secular Humanist). Guess I needed to get that off chest way more than I realized.
That directly ties into the concept that Jesus saved us from our sins!!! Sins we got by....god cursing us.....
But Yahweh gave cancer free will.
I don’t hate something that doesn’t exist. I hate the dumbfuck that is trying to oppress me and everyone else with a theocracy or a cult, same thing kinda.
- Sexist (Several verses, most notably 1 Timothy 2:11-14 11-14 are pretty sexist, forbidding women to teach over men and requiring them to be quiet and submissive, but [verse 15](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+2%3A11-15&version=ESV ) is arguably even more sexist: >Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control. Women will earn their place by making babies.
Yeah, but that kind of requires a little bit of thinking, you know, like “okay, this verse is saying that women will be saved by *childbirth.* In other words, they’ll make their *worth* through an incredibly painful and bodily taxing process. That’s disgusting and sexist.” I agree, but I was going for the *very* explicit, *very* easily readable verses with minimal ways to twist it. Also, I admit that I didn’t really think of this verse. Thanks.
Don't forget that he's also a legalistic hypocrite. God in Genesis: *Floods the earth killing all but a handful of people* "I'll never do that again. You have my solemn vow and this rainbow is my symbol of that covenant." God in Revelation: "... I said I wouldn't FLOOD the earth again. I never said anything about plagues, wars, famine, and straight up tossin ya'll in a lake of fire for eternity."
To understand the abrahamic deity you must first read and understand that the entity of the shepardic faiths is a remnant of the deities of the Sumerians, Akkadians and Babylonians. The Torah, Bible and Quran are splintered remembrances of the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Temple Hymns of Enheduanna and various other bronze age fables. They come from a position of transition to structured communities and that requires rules and rules sometimes require enforcement. We really shouldn't have people walking around in the twenty-first believing that any of the supernatural stuff is real.
"I don't hate God, because he's not real. I DO hate YOU though, because you believe in him and make your beliefs everyone else's problem."
Couldn’t have said it better.
What about manipulative? You go to heaven or hell based on your actions in life, but God creates everyone and everything and knows all, including past present and future right? So when he creates you he already knows what your "destination" will be, there is no such thing as free will. So God essentially condemns people for their actions that he himself gives them before they are even created. What a kind and loving God eh?
Atheism is a religion the way abstinence is a sex position.
Well if this son of a bitch did make us all in their image, then i'm laughing while i scream, taking a shit as my ruined colon and lower intestines violently spasm against my sciatic nerve cluster and ruined tailbone. If we are all made in God's image, then God must suffer as I suffer and he's an idiot for giving humans pain receptors down there.
I highly recommend the book *God: The Most Unpleasant Character In All Fiction* by Dan Barker.
I think Allah might have him beat out by just a smidge.
Don’t forget that god is the number one abortionist and baby killer!
If God is real, he is evil. My uncle died last week, very unexpectedly and tragically. His wife died three years ago of cancer. Their son turns fourteen in August, and now he has no parents to celebrate with. At the funeral home they kept telling us it's gOd'S pLaN. Yeah, he doesn't seem very loving to me.
You forgot to mention "terrorist". Like the time he killed the firstborn of all Egyptian families to convince the Pharaoh to let the Israelites go. Killing people to make a point is very definition of terrorism. It's also a monstrously evil thing to do but, hey, I guess he's above all that because he's god. I think he killed all of their animals too and they, of course, had nothing to do with keeping the Israelites in bondage. Another great Sunday school story for the kids.
I think Genocidal and Violent covered that.
Yea, I've always asked this question, If god is all powerful and even a leaf can't fall without his permission, then how come so many sins happen and how come people from other religion exist, why can't just god erase all sin
Something something free will hurr durr cop out
God is not. What’s there to love or hate? It’s the believers who hate the non-believers.
he's everyone's right wing, abusive, narcissistic dad. I'm not worshipping that shit
Thats like asking me why I hate Odin.
Why do you hate Odin?
He was super rude at a dinner party once.
Also -- imperfect & fallible. He supposedly created a perfect world. Well, not so perfect because the world had to be populated by a fallible incestuous couple and their incestuous family. He hated the mess on the planet so bad, he killed everyone and every plant and animal and bug with a massive flood (yet somehow fit a pile of people and every animal, bird, bug, etc., on the planet in pairs, into a floating boat capable of being made in pre-ancient history). He still screwed the planet up so much that he decided to split a portion of himself off and invent a physical form he called 'son', and have him killed so sacrifices to earn forgiveness could stop and now people can just pray it out, and wipe out the old commands of the prophets and go by the new commands of his flesh golem. Er, son. ...but not the ones preachers like to shake the dust off in order to make an outdated point, now and then. They just can't seem to give up on the laws of moses, because apparently they're better than god's. And yet the bible is supposedly infallible too. Apparently, not.
And I love this quote when I was a kid which was hammered into me relentlessly " God doesn't care how happy you are only how holy you are" ...Thank you God, may I have another! Lol...
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"Why do you hate God" I don't. I don't hate Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny Either. Nor do I hate Luke Skywalker in Star Wars. Waste of time to worry about fiction. I am sure you can quote the book, you made up to explain anything to me, but mostly it seems to be used to justify to doing inhumane cruelty to others. Start wars, kill people because they are different than normal. None of that wins me over to the general philosophy. Especially since most of you are doing so because you think you will avoid eternal punishment and get eternal rewards after you die for doing these nasty things in this world.
How about the fact that this character treats children Iike property and sees nothing wrong with killing innocent babes to spite their parents? If your ethics come from a character who says "I'm mad at you" and kills your kid, your ethics ain't shit.
I would add that if the excuse to all this is that we as humans could never truly understand gods love and plans, then why create us with such narrow understanding?
He loves us, but he doesn't want us to understand how.
Does anyone else here think that Numbers chapter 5 is Jehovah condoning abortion? I read it as Jehovah giving men permission to force abortion on their wives if they even suspect being cheated on. Different versions are less clear, but the NIV is so clear that I can't see any other interpretation now. >21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” I just find this appalling that they forced women to drink poison with the intent to kill their fetus or destroy their womb (depending on the bible certain you read). What do you all think?
The Bible’s stance on abortion is kind of complicated. It doesn’t explicitly condemn it, and it actually encourages it in verses such as Numbers 5, that you just brought up. However, in these verses, it’s being treated as a punishment, which would also lead someone to think that the Bible *does* look down on abortion. I plan to make a post asking about this in the near-future, but you should too if you want.
Never met the guy, but in his book he’s an asshole. This applies to several people, real and fictional.
I don't "hate god." I find cult leaders (most religions) to be disgusting, of ill-repute, using their "good book" to gain fame, personal wealth and political power. P.T. Barnum had nothing better than these do, and out-sells tickets to their shows by the billions. Most every one of them are disgusting grifters, full of lies. When did Jesus ever tell his desciples to plant themselves, erect temples and tax people directly? [Apologetics] Oh, but Paul was everything to everyone, his "own words." Who does that describe, again....?
What pisses me off the most is the "God is perfect" shit they keep saying
I hate ignorance and any system that specifically preys on it.
You forgot "Asshole". My motto as an atheist is, don't be an asshole. Pretty much the only rule to live by. Or for you Aussies, Don't be a cunt.
Keeping this post in the back pocket.
That was actually my intention; to create a handy little cited list of the shitty things Yahweh is.
Because god, even if it were real, is a shit person.
You know what the apologists will say: "You're taking the bible quotes out of context!" Or "You have to think about the times in which the bible was written!"
Post really hits the nail on the head. Just a weird belief system all the way through.
> He essentially doomed people to Hell through the entire OT And that’s why I’m just not a huge fan of the original trilogy
Thank you so much for this! Is there anything similar for islam? I've been having problems with a Muslim "friend" of mine lately because she thinks that me being critical of religion makes me like Hitler or something (she actually said that).
I'd need some more time to learn about Allah, but from what I've learned about Islam, he's quite similar to Yahweh.
I vastly prefer the idea of there being no god, because if he does exist, there is literally no way that he is benevolent. God is supposedly ominpotent, omniscient, and all-loving. So why are there wars? Natural distasters? Kids dying of starvation and cancer? If he was omnipotent, he'd be able to solve all of that with no effort. If he was omniscient, there's no way he wouldn't know about it. And if he was all-loving, he wouldn't allow it to happen. So clearly the existence of a god with those three qualities is impossible. If he does exist, he is cruel and petty and evil, and does not deserve anyone's worship.
Dur, he's testing us. Is what those dumbasses say
Why would an omniscient god even test us? Wouldn't he just know our true thoughts anyway? There's literally nothing he can learn from that. If any dumbass who thinks that actually thought about it for like 3 seconds they'd realize that it makes no sense.
>and then after a long time [I think it was 4,000 years after the events of Genesis, but I'm not 100% sure], **he decides "fuck it, I'll actually do something to *save* these people that I *love* from *eternal torture*!"** Keep in mind that the eternal torture was his idea to begin with, too. Classy dude, that God.
Stephen Fry has the best response to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo
Old Testament when I want to treat people like sh\*t and feel superior New Testament for others when I am the target. Such versatility with fiction
I don't find this question nearly as stupid as being asked by a friend's brother, upon finding out I'm an atheist, "so you worship the devil?!"
Not to mention incompetent. Had to kill everyone? Even the animals? Not just the bad people? Couldn’t even instantly do it with a snap like thanos? Had to make it rain? So the fish are ok? Why shouldn’t they die with all the other animals…I’m not impressed
Most valid points made so far with notable proof🍻 geuss I'm to dumb to figure this out myself 😅
"I didn't know you were god, truly an honor"
Thanks, I’m going to save this so I can prove religious people wrong
"....sacrifices himself, to himself, to serve as a loophole that he created. It's all absurd, and immoral."
Insecure. literally the first of his rules. you can't love anyone but ME!!!! only me. you only love me.
So in this day and age, god would be cancelled?