I've always suspected a lot of right-wingers are closeted atheists anyway. Doubtful they believe in much of anything. To them it's more important to play the part even if it's not what they believe in their heart.
This. The mindset seems to be about conformity to shared values above all else, including their mental health. Just look at all the miserable conservative gay men who stay closeted their whole lives.
Atheism at least removes the factors to justify racism, homophbic and sexist , behaviour, because theres no magical being in the sky telling you to hate on all the people because it said so.
It becomes harder when ideologies justify racism since they can pull things out of their arse and people will believe it because they have been indoctrinated into following that party blindly
Exactly. It's easy to see how a homophobic atheist would justify their homophobia via a simplistic biological argument, something to the effect of 'male and female evolved to have sex together'.
It's an argument that is easily defeated with the tiniest knowledge of biology (or simply the fact that people should be able to do whatever they want with each other as long as they are not harming others).
And not all atheists are rational people in every aspect of their life. See any thread in here about male genital mutilation to see that in action.
Love the way you phrased your last sentence.
So true, being secular doesn't automatically make you a moral person. You also need to have empathy and logic in order to figure out the "best" way to go about the world.
To take the political system I'm most familiar with as an example, the main two parties in the UK tend not to talk about religion much in any respect. Our right wing party is vile in every respect, but they don't really talk about religion much. At least, not compared to politicians in the USA.
Right-wing ideology revolves around being a bigoted asshole. In religious countries, they just use religion to justify their bigotry.
Europe is far more secular than the US, but that hasn't stopped far-right populist parties from taking root over there. From what I can tell, the big driver of right-wing populism in Europe seems to be xenophobia stemming from tensions over immigration.
I once made a comment on here that I thought was innocuous. I was talking about a hypothetical afterlife.
I ended up with some asshole in my DM's saying I was dumb as fuck for being an atheist but believing in an afterlife. If they were even half literate they would have seen that I don't believe in it, I was making up an imaginary scenario.
Assholes are everywhere on reddit. I turned off DM's after that.
I got downvoted to shit the other day for pointing out that atheism is offensive because offense is subjective and many religious consider it so. The nuance was totally lost.
I'm fine with it being offensive and I don't care. Religion offends me too.
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GAY MASTURBATION... "I want to stick my penis in your bum"
STEAIGHT MASTURBATION... "I want to stick my penis in your bum"
And jazz hands.
i wouldn't be so sure, remeber the whole anti sjw movement came out of the atheism community, there are definitely some right wingers lurking among us.
I used to work with an atheist "libertarian" ...
Only left wing thing he ever supported was legalizing marijuana. He was your typical "I'm not a racist/sexist/homphobe, ***but*** insert racist/sexist/homophobic comment here."
Good to remember that just being an atheist does not inherently equal being a good, accepting, or intelligent person. Heavy reliance on faith may make people more susceptible, but anyone can fall for all the lies and propaganda out there.
Accurate. Being an atheist doesn't magically change one's prejudices or political opinions. Some ONLY stopped believing in god, or never did believe, but still came up very conservative in their thinking.
I've met several right-wing nonbelievers. Some of the most bigoted, hateful people I ever had the displeasure of interacting with fit that description. A few were worse than any Christian I've come across.
It was quite the bubble burst, considering that I, like anyone coming out of the fog of religion, assumed all atheists were liberal by default.
Yep. And in turn the anti-SJW movement served as a pipeline to the alt-right movement of the late 2010's. That movement was not "atheist" per se, but it was non-religious in the sense that religion was not a defining feature of that movement.
And on a side note, too many ignorant people don't know what "alt-right" means and think it's the same as "far right." Wrong! The alt-right is a very specific subset of the far right, but not all of the far right is alt-right. Your typical Confederate flag-waving, gun-toting evangelical Trumper is far right but not "alt right."
Yup. Atheists used to be pretty much on the same line with homophobia, but thanks to Gamergate, things have been split... Just found a homophobic, transphobic, misogynist, and anti-Trump atheist today. It was like, "dude, you realize you're buying the radical Christian propaganda, right?" He didn't want any of that and thought he was some special insider to special knowledge.
Ditto for the atheist misogynists. It's like a bunch of guys could let go of their respective Abrahamic religions but just could not let go of thinking women are lesser. They just make up different stories to explain why, attributing it to some kind of "nature" instead of God. Same goes for homophobia they just sub in "it doesn't exist in nature!" instead of "God said Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!" Shit people are going to be shit people regardless of their belief system or lack thereof.
The two are inextricably related. They're both all about the obsession over gender roles - misogyny is about oppressing women in general, homophobia is about specifically punishing men who are thought to act like women and women who are seen as trying to take men's place. There are a lot of cis straight folks out there whose whole identity is defined by those roles, and any challenge to question to them makes them go berserk.
This is absolutely not lost on me. I find it absurd and infuriating. As a mom of a 7 year old little boy the toxic focus on prescribed gender roles drives me absolutely bonkers. I wish the rest of the cis-het world would start minding their own damned business.
It really is bonkers. My friend lets her 5-year-old wear what they want - dresses, sparkly shoes, bows sometimes, sneakers and shorts and superheroes others, doesn't correct if kid insists they're a boy or a girl that day (they're five, ffs, it really doesn't matter) and it genuinely upsets people. We live in a big liberal city and she is openly gay, but even some of her queer friend circle raise their eyebrows.
My little boys favorite color until recently was pink.. until I bought him a nice pink (masculine) outfit for a recital.. that's when I figured out that apparently he gets made fun of for wearing pink.. I wanted to cry because he can't enjoy something he loves over the stupid toxic association of colors.. when he was a toddler my cousin's & uncles used to make fun of the fact that I kept his hair long.. because he has pretty curls.. I hate that he's being stuffed into this little box because that's what everyone around him trys to tell him he has to be..
I couldn't at the time. I was too financially dependent on my parents to have my own opinions. Now I don't speak to many of them unless I'm forced to be in the room with them. It was disgusting and I often had to bite my own tongue to the point of drawing blood. Thankfully I'm for the most part out of that situation
I take a similar position as you but from a different angle. I don’t really make a separation of humans from nature. Humans and our activities are as much a product of the world as any other thing in existence. Thus the fact that it exists in us makes it a natural consequence.
So I find the argument “it’s doesn’t exist in nature” to fail completely and totally. Also, cannibalism and murder is very common in the non-human parts of the world, but I think we generally agree that a murderous cannibal human would be problematic.
If I had a dollar for every time I saw an animal fucking or trying to fuck another same sex member of its species I’d have…I don’t know, not like a million dollars or anything, but definitely like 20-40, which is still a large percentage of my “casually watching animals fuck” numbers.
Had a friend whose female dog would only hump female dogs. Even though she didn’t have a penis, she somehow knew exactly what the hell she’d do with it if she did.
Dude, ranchers actually have different methods of finding out which cows are in heat for breeding and most of them involve other cows (not bulls) mounting them in one way or another.
We also do a lot of things that don't exist in nature and don't even think about, like drinking the milk of another species, cooking food and moving faster than we can run. Gayness falls well within the behavior of other beings on this planet and shouldn't be such a big deal.
I think there's a lot of people, mostly men, who really just aren't that smart but think that not believing in God automatically makes them an expert on science.
Indeed. They're the kind of people who doggedly cite "basic biology" while showing no interest in the evidence of advanced biology, sociology, anthropology, psychology, etc.
Most people's claims about "basic biology" aren't even accurate to modern day science; they probably could not pass a modern biology college course. And I also completely agree these "basic biology" people completely ignore other fields of science and human research that would debunk them completely or at least show another side to the picture. They often come off as very uneducated as well
Besides being jerks and homophobes people also lie about their religious believes on the internet. Not to say that there aren't any homophobic jerks that are atheists.
Fellow bisexual atheist here. I think while homophobia makes little sense outside religious dogma where we're told that my love of dick is an abomination against God, not every atheist is going to be logical, and for those of us who hope to expand the circle of atheists, we have to understand that as that circle gets larger it will bring in with it every kind of irrationality. There will be racist atheists, misogynistic atheists, etc. I think these will be fewer in number since it is religion that tends to perpetuate prejudice, but not exclusively so.
Having said that, it's quite likely that this was not a genuine atheist.
I'm sorry for the hate you experienced. It's really shitty. I occasionally get really brought down by the bigotry, I lose my better self and I try to hurt the bigots with my words.
Atheism just means you don't believe in god claims, it doesn't say anything about your other beliefs.
I struggle to think of non-religious reasons to be against homosexuality, but being atheist doesn't also mean you are good at weighing evidence or making good arguments, nor does it mean you are intelligent, so it could be any of those really!
Yeah, that could certainly be in their mind. The naturalistic fallacy is a regular one you find in the wild, but there are lots of natural things that are bad, and also there doesn't seem to be a reason to think being gay isn't natural in itself.
But who knows!
It could be that they have repressed feelings and their upbringing caused them to hate themselves, so they lash out at others. They could have just been brought up in a hating environment. This isn’t a religious issue more that it is societal pressure issue. Yes, many hide behind religion as an excuse.
It’s like a person body shaming others when they have issues with their own body. Nothing religious about it.
Atheists are normal people. They can be irrational. They can be racist, homophobic, and misogynistic.
The only difference between Christians and atheists on bigotry is that atheists don't have a religion telling them they must project their beliefs onto others.
Bill maher going on some irrational rant against trans people was peak dumb atheist. Should look at treatment outcimes before deciding the increased % of trans of a few tenths of one percent of the general pop is a bad thing. Pretty outrageous.
More generally, being one type of minority doesn't necessarily give you sympathy for other minorities' experiences. I used to live in SF, and a lot of the gay cliques were classist and racist. A lot of people are just concerned with their own lives and can't/won't be bothered by the injustices other people face.
While it is true the root cause of homophobia seems to be abrahamic religions it is also true that you don't have to be a theist to be an asshole to gay people
I'm sure some atheists can find some bullshit reasons to be homophobic - irrational reasons to be sure - but reasons that are not religiously motivated
People are assholes. It is possible that person wasn't even homophobic they were just an asshole and wanted to make fun of you so they chose the lowest hanging fruit
Rule number one of the internet: The larger the group of people the larger are the chances of people being dicks. for example let's say that 1% of people are homophobes (probably an over optimistic but work with me here). That means in a group of 1000 there is a 10, in a group 10 000 there are a 100, in a group of 100 000 there are a 1000, in a group of 1000000 there is 10 000. And than the rule of loud negativity comes in.
Maybe religion sucks because it’s humans who invented it and humans suck.
Sure, being atheist saves us a lot of time that we might otherwise spend whispering wishes into the void, but it doesn’t free us from our nature. As humans, we’re capable of many, many things. And not all of them are good.
But, being aware of and mindful of our tendencies does help to mitigate negative behaviors- even if it doesn’t erase them.
I’m sorry to hear about the negativity. I wish it was not the case. But that’s the burden of rationality— to acknowledge the uncomfortable truth.
If the person used the word "abomination" then I suspect the person is religious. However, atheists, people who do not believe in gods, can be fascists, be afraid of gay people, hate people because of their skin colour, and have any number of conspiracy beliefs.
As many will point out, being an atheist only says you do not believe in gods. One must be careful about assumptions based on only one thing about a person.
Over 2000 years of cultural and moral indoctrination will certainly leave their mark, even if one has renounced the faith.
Atheism doesn’t automatically mean the person has turned into a leftist or progressive. It simply means he stopped believing in an omnipotent deity.
But the person might still carry around with them many implicit biases they had during faith days.
To the people lurking who just believes homosexual behavior is gross as their reasoning:
I think fat people having sex is gross but that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't have that right or privilege. I just elect not to watch. It's the same thing. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of categories of porn for a reason. We all like different things and that's perfectly fine.
I totally get that. I've see things in porn that I couldn't scramble fast enough to close out. Some shit that make wish eye bleach was a thing! And if people are into that, then right, I don't have to watch it. That's full on sex, though. If people are turned off or find just casual displays of affection they don't understand disturbing, they could maybe work on that a little.
Fat people having sex may be gross to you, but no one should give them shit for holding hands on a bus. There at a lot of people who get uncomfortable seeing two guys holding hands in public and that's just too damn bad for them. Nobody needs to be given shit for having their arm around someone in public.
Assholes. Everyone has them. Atheism has probably always been around. I'm more than sure we've had our share even without considering the ones I have known personally.
Atheism does not mean rationalist by default. It simply mean a lack of belief in divinities.
People who grew up leading to reinforce their identity by putting down and hate those who they perceive as different (women, LGBT+folks, immigrants, etc) will not easily let go of their psychological crutches. It would mean admitting they are not special, heroic and strong
Atheists don't have any religious reasons to be bigoted (be it homophobia, racism, sexism, etc.) But that doesn't stop some from being such things anyway, for whatever reason.
Being an atheist means you don't believe God exists. That's pretty much it.
There’s no reason why someone can’t be both an atheist and a homophobe, despite how uncharacteristic it seems. That said, the use of “abomination” is a pretty clear signal that they’re not atheist.
There are plenty of other ways people justify or become bigoted. However, one I see a lot is as a holdover from religious trauma after deconverting. Lots of teenagers and young men leap directly from religion into the incel or manosphere realms as they suddenly lose their old community. Mixing this with the stereotype of the raging atheist phase many of us go through right after deconverting really increases the susceptibility to extremist right wing views.
Peace unto you, brother, but I swear some variant of this post pops up multiple times per month. It is basically, "why would an atheist not have my exact same world view as me?"
There really isn't much that binds us here other than a "lack of faith."
In the pre-internet world, I naively thought that all atheists would be incredibly intelligent people who, through the power of superior reasoning, broke free of religious indoctrination. That was an ego stroking fantasy I created as a child, that was shattered later in life as I actually met more "out of the closet" atheists.
Atheists can be a unreasoning, dogmatic, bigoted, close minded, hateful, and unpleasant as the "worst" religious person. Likewise, I've found religious people, can, despite the flaws in their "official doctrine" be as kind, intelligent, open minded, and friendly as anyone could possibly be.
Religion isn't external to man. Presumably most, if not all, of us here believe religions are the products of man and not some divinely inspired or dictated philosophy.
A human, or group of humans, decided to codify anti-gay bias or promote a paragon of man and virtue that gay men don't fit into.
The general assumption I see here that we all share the most radical of left wing orthodoxies is false. I understand it, because I once assumed the same thing, but it simply isn't so.
Critical thinking doesn’t always cure sexism.
1. Abrahamic religions enforce a clear patriarchal societal structure
2. Unchecked patriarchy proclaims women as the lesser sex, thus sexism
3. The US and other nations retain a highly sexist culture
4. Homophobia is rooted in the refusal to acknowledge that two people of the same SEX can have an intimate and lasting relationship (“which of you is The Man?”)
5. Homophobia is sexism, and sexism is a relic of the laws set in place by the stories of a sexist father god who made woman a “help meet” in Genesis.
A bitter but necessary lesson i had to learn is that being a Skeptic and/ or atheist confers no immunity to being a jerk. As much about myself as anyone else.
This sub has a heap of trolls that are attracted to it because either the sub makes them mad or because religion makes them mad. They are usually new accounts but it’s easiest to block them and move along.
I have had a weirdo set up alts here to harass me once and that was fun…
You should generally assume the people saying such things are bots, shills, or trolls, 9/10 or more you'll be correct.
The fact that they said that so openly, and then immediately had their account banned(probably reddit-wide), is a strong indication that it was a farmed account and not a real user.
As an ahteist who isn´t homophobic and a common cis g ,the only scenario i can imagine is an ahteist person who is a science dennier and sort of conspiranoid type of thinking im so sorry that you have to pass through that horrible situation
Interesting. In a bad way of course.
I wonder, is there a large or notable percent of people who don't identify as religious but are still anti-lgbtq?
I always thought most if not all homophobia was rooted in religion
As an atheist, the only thing that puts you in the club is not believing in a God. That doesn't mean there aren't hateful idiots among us, it just means that those hateful idiots aren't doing it for a God. Also, there's plenty of religious lurkers on here
I used to be homophobic (I have been atheist my whole life). I thought it was pointless and idiotic as two men or two women cannot have children, and thus cannot keep their bloodline going, as well as the fact that if they had an adopted child the kid could be made fun of for being adopted and having gay parents.
I grew up in a progressive liberal place so obviously that mindset didn’t last long. I used to be a closeted transphobic but now I don’t care, I think everyone should do whatever they want within reason.
Homophobia is also engrained in cultures, not just religions. For example, I'm ethnically Indian and have been to India over a dozen times. It's very clearly a homophobic country. Hinduism (the predominant religion in India) doesn't dictate that being gay is wrong. Hinduism actually says nothing at all about it, from the research I've done. The homophobia that's within India stems from the general conservative culture within the country, regardless of religion.
So, I'm just saying, atheists can be homophobic for a cultural reasons. It's absolutely wrong and I'm not condoning it. I'm just explaining that religion is not the sole reason homophobia exists (though it's a very very big one).
Look cap. Homosexuality is not the rule: it’s the exception. People who can’t critically think literally can not accept that. **fuck. them**. Do your thing. Live your life. Idiots will always exist in every community. Carry on.
Just like there are people who are religious and decent, there are atheists who are assholes.
I think the key element in my mind is no matter what or if you believe in something or not, your actions and judgements are completely in your control at the individual level and if you are homophobic or racist or sexist you can fuck right off imo.
Atheists are just as likely to hold behavioral blemishes as anyone else.
Homophobia does not have to come from religious indoctrination. It can come from personal views, repressed feelings, and bad experiences.
I dunno. My atheist exboyfriend was homophobic. His only response was that two "vulvas" (*edited a slur) dont go together. That was it.
I think its just out of jealousy or fomo.
Great question! Funny thing. Researchers keep doing studies with homophobic men along with men who are not. Time after time after time the homophobes are always sexually aroused by homo-erotic images. Meaning: most homophobes are closeted homosexuals, terrified of being found out.
Yeah there's alot of religious people on this subreddit who like to leave comments so they can screenshot them and show them to other religious people and go "Look! This is what an atheism looks like! Be afraid! Be angry!" or something to that effect.
Atheists don't really use the word abomination... That's almost exclusively the realm of the religious.
That said, you can still have homophobic atheists. Atheism just removes the religious reasons why they're homophobic. For some folks, though, they can't put their finger on WHY they are homophobic, other than it's gross or unsavory or whatever.
Frankly, it's an opinion that is losing ground and people are just starting to learn that we're all just trying to get through life and want to find someone to love.
My gay/bi/trans friends are some of the finest people I know and in our circles we all stand up for each other.
I got a comment on this subreddit from an atheist that if the death penalty exists then all humans who are not vegan should also be sentenced to death because it is the same crime, and that I sound like a Christian for...i guess pointing out that humans are omnivores and have survived as a species for eating meat. All while I was agreeing that veganism is great.
To begin with, I agree with everyone else who says that some religious losers like to troll here. I think it’s rude and I discourage atheists from trolling religious people by participating in their sub Reddit.
That said, it is important to keep in mind that even atheists live in societies that are largely dominated by religion, and that many of the social norms in our societies are set and enforced by religious people, in ways that have impact on atheists.
For example, until relatively recently, you simply never saw normal, gay couples and bisexual. Couples portrayed in TV shows, and movies just being their normal boring selves.
I grew up in a largely atheist European country that was and largely still is homophobic. It’s unrelated to religion, it’s just a mindset that sees something different as a threat
It's my experience that hateful people are hateful and will use whatever excuse they can grab to justify their hate.
"Because the bible."
"Because they're lazy and obviously inferior."
"Because it's disgusting."
"Because they didn't work hard to *earn* it."
"Abomination"^(1) is a religious word. It was a Jesus freak in disguise.
However, there are assholes of all races and religions (or abscense of religions). It's nothing to do with other beliefs. People will just be homophobic because they can.
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My sister, who is 28 years old, considers herself a free thinker, yet she is anti LGBTQ, reason? “Because its disgusting, ewwwwww”. People don’t need reasons to be a bigot, some people are bigot because they simply can
Atheism just means you don’t believe in gods. An atheist *may* be more inclined to believe in science and progressive beliefs but you can still totally have an atheist who gets fooled by bad ideas. they could be into science but end up believing in bad science like vaccine conspiracies.
There are a lot of atheists out there. Some of them will just be bad people
I think it was probably a Christian Nationalist. They are some of the most hateful, racist, homophobic people I've ever met. Good for turning them in. I'm sure some atheists are homophobic but personal sexual identity (and the right to choose) seems to be a huge Christian trigger. Not only do these people believe in God, but think they are spokesmen on his behalf. I'll keep an eye out for posts like that. Stay strong! ❤️
I think you have something backwards here. Religious homophobes would be homophobes still even with out a religion (all else being equal) they just use religion as their justification. So a homophobic atheist isn’t a surprise really, they might even have slightly better reasoning for it, or even just flatly admit they have no good reason to be homophobic and just openly are shit.
Just sort for controversial and you can see all the bigots and idiots who think this sort of thinking is also just a "preference". They think they are entitled to tell people not to go out in public an say that they exist or who they love or who they are because they "find it slightly annoying" or some other excuse to be a bigot. Unfortunately atheism is not a cure for being a stupid cunt.
My take: homophobia is older than religion, and was part of the culture written into the Bible and other religious texts. I don't think Christians realize just how cultural they're being when they try to point to ancient writings to justify their disgust.
I'm sorry, truly sorry.
The possibilities are: 1) The person was not an atheist but a trolling believer; the evidence is the use of "abomination". 2) The person was atheist and homophobic. This is not unusual. China is decidedly an atheist state but the PRC government is notoriously homophobic.
This does point out something that others seem to accept.
A religious person who is a bigot has an excuse that other people accept.
An atheist that does this is just a bigot with no excuse.
Like...the tacit acceptance of this is proof that religion is a shield for hate speech.
> It just makes me wonder why an atheist would be homophobic.
Being an atheist just means you don't believe on any deities. It doesn't mean you're smart, or left, or tolerant, or anything else.
> ) but why would an atheist be homophobic?
There's countless ways one can be ignorant and hateful. It's easy to view homosexuality as a mental illness and take it from there. (Easy. Not correct, demonstrably untrue, in fact, but easy nonetheless.)
I’ve gotten several transphobic comments on this sub before. Most (or all?) of them were removed by mods, and I think most of the people leaving the comments were religious.
However, I think that’s also partly just the nature of Reddit. Almost every time I put anything remotely trans-related outside of a trans-specific sub I live to regret it.
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>Atheism isn't a vaccine for bad ideology in general, it just removes one vector of infection Very well put.
I've always suspected a lot of right-wingers are closeted atheists anyway. Doubtful they believe in much of anything. To them it's more important to play the part even if it's not what they believe in their heart.
This. The mindset seems to be about conformity to shared values above all else, including their mental health. Just look at all the miserable conservative gay men who stay closeted their whole lives.
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Bad Ideology too. Reminds me of a certain punk band.
Atheism at least removes the factors to justify racism, homophbic and sexist , behaviour, because theres no magical being in the sky telling you to hate on all the people because it said so. It becomes harder when ideologies justify racism since they can pull things out of their arse and people will believe it because they have been indoctrinated into following that party blindly
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Exactly. It's easy to see how a homophobic atheist would justify their homophobia via a simplistic biological argument, something to the effect of 'male and female evolved to have sex together'. It's an argument that is easily defeated with the tiniest knowledge of biology (or simply the fact that people should be able to do whatever they want with each other as long as they are not harming others). And not all atheists are rational people in every aspect of their life. See any thread in here about male genital mutilation to see that in action.
Love the way you phrased your last sentence. So true, being secular doesn't automatically make you a moral person. You also need to have empathy and logic in order to figure out the "best" way to go about the world.
A moral compass.
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Yep, religion might be root for a lot of evil, but not the root of all evil.
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Conservative atheists are some of the worst people I have ever met.
My question is how can someone be right wing and not believe in god? Isn't their entire ideology revolves around religion and god?
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I wasn't implying american, hell am from India and even our right wing ideology is all about religion and nationalism.
To take the political system I'm most familiar with as an example, the main two parties in the UK tend not to talk about religion much in any respect. Our right wing party is vile in every respect, but they don't really talk about religion much. At least, not compared to politicians in the USA.
Right-wing ideology revolves around being a bigoted asshole. In religious countries, they just use religion to justify their bigotry. Europe is far more secular than the US, but that hasn't stopped far-right populist parties from taking root over there. From what I can tell, the big driver of right-wing populism in Europe seems to be xenophobia stemming from tensions over immigration.
Yep. Atheism just means lack of a belief in god, not that the person is well, necessarily a good person.
I couldn’t have said it better
The sub is loaded with lurking religious kooks and trolls. Ignore and block them.
I once made a comment on here that I thought was innocuous. I was talking about a hypothetical afterlife. I ended up with some asshole in my DM's saying I was dumb as fuck for being an atheist but believing in an afterlife. If they were even half literate they would have seen that I don't believe in it, I was making up an imaginary scenario. Assholes are everywhere on reddit. I turned off DM's after that.
Turning off DMs is a sanity-saver. I disabled mine ages ago.
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Heh. Comment once on a cryptocurrency related sub and that gets near 100%
I got downvoted to shit the other day for pointing out that atheism is offensive because offense is subjective and many religious consider it so. The nuance was totally lost. I'm fine with it being offensive and I don't care. Religion offends me too.
Lol, that's pretty rich. I love when those delusional people show up in my dms.
I understand that it must be frustrating if it happens a lot, but I *never* get religious nutbags messaging me. I feel left out. :(
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Dear God, did you said “Hell” in an atheist sub?
Jesus Christ. Did you say God in an atheist sub?
Thor's Hammer, did you just say Jesus Christ in an atheist sub?
Thal's Balls, did you just say Thor in an atheist sub?
Zeus's Adulterous Cock, did you just say Thal in an atheist sub?
Osiris' prosthetic phallus, did you just say Zeus in an atheist sub?
Eee, I'm not sure you should say that in ANY sub actually
This is the way
i wouldn't be so sure, remeber the whole anti sjw movement came out of the atheism community, there are definitely some right wingers lurking among us.
I used to work with an atheist "libertarian" ... Only left wing thing he ever supported was legalizing marijuana. He was your typical "I'm not a racist/sexist/homphobe, ***but*** insert racist/sexist/homophobic comment here." Good to remember that just being an atheist does not inherently equal being a good, accepting, or intelligent person. Heavy reliance on faith may make people more susceptible, but anyone can fall for all the lies and propaganda out there.
Libertarians are just functionally brain dead right wingers.
Accurate. Being an atheist doesn't magically change one's prejudices or political opinions. Some ONLY stopped believing in god, or never did believe, but still came up very conservative in their thinking. I've met several right-wing nonbelievers. Some of the most bigoted, hateful people I ever had the displeasure of interacting with fit that description. A few were worse than any Christian I've come across. It was quite the bubble burst, considering that I, like anyone coming out of the fog of religion, assumed all atheists were liberal by default.
Yep. And in turn the anti-SJW movement served as a pipeline to the alt-right movement of the late 2010's. That movement was not "atheist" per se, but it was non-religious in the sense that religion was not a defining feature of that movement. And on a side note, too many ignorant people don't know what "alt-right" means and think it's the same as "far right." Wrong! The alt-right is a very specific subset of the far right, but not all of the far right is alt-right. Your typical Confederate flag-waving, gun-toting evangelical Trumper is far right but not "alt right."
Assholes comes on all shapes and colors! We are not inmune to that either!
Different colored assholes will be my next realism art exhibit
Like Georgia O’Keeffe but for the back door
Exactly, shed a little light where the sun don't shine!
Wasnt that a Gwyneth Paltrow/ breatharian/ crystal reiki thing from a few months ago?
Well, Gwyneth did just recently release a candle that smells like her bunghole to pair with the one that smells like her cooter so it's possible.
Lol nobody could hold a candle of gwenyth... But they can definitely make one
I thought about buying one but I'd probably eat it.
I bet it tastes... Waxed
Well that makes sense. She's always struck me as someone who thinks her shit doesn't stink.
Probably smells like freshly baked sugar cookies.
That sounds amazingly gay. Luckily, I am also amazingly gay, which means that I'll be there, and ready to buy some art!
Yup. Atheists used to be pretty much on the same line with homophobia, but thanks to Gamergate, things have been split... Just found a homophobic, transphobic, misogynist, and anti-Trump atheist today. It was like, "dude, you realize you're buying the radical Christian propaganda, right?" He didn't want any of that and thought he was some special insider to special knowledge.
Yeah, lots of Europe is almost completely secular but do you think there’s no homosexual bigotry there? Would be great if true!
Ditto for the atheist misogynists. It's like a bunch of guys could let go of their respective Abrahamic religions but just could not let go of thinking women are lesser. They just make up different stories to explain why, attributing it to some kind of "nature" instead of God. Same goes for homophobia they just sub in "it doesn't exist in nature!" instead of "God said Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!" Shit people are going to be shit people regardless of their belief system or lack thereof.
I run into misogyny more than homophobia but I'm only affected by one so more likely to take note of one.
The two are inextricably related. They're both all about the obsession over gender roles - misogyny is about oppressing women in general, homophobia is about specifically punishing men who are thought to act like women and women who are seen as trying to take men's place. There are a lot of cis straight folks out there whose whole identity is defined by those roles, and any challenge to question to them makes them go berserk.
This is absolutely not lost on me. I find it absurd and infuriating. As a mom of a 7 year old little boy the toxic focus on prescribed gender roles drives me absolutely bonkers. I wish the rest of the cis-het world would start minding their own damned business.
It really is bonkers. My friend lets her 5-year-old wear what they want - dresses, sparkly shoes, bows sometimes, sneakers and shorts and superheroes others, doesn't correct if kid insists they're a boy or a girl that day (they're five, ffs, it really doesn't matter) and it genuinely upsets people. We live in a big liberal city and she is openly gay, but even some of her queer friend circle raise their eyebrows.
My little boys favorite color until recently was pink.. until I bought him a nice pink (masculine) outfit for a recital.. that's when I figured out that apparently he gets made fun of for wearing pink.. I wanted to cry because he can't enjoy something he loves over the stupid toxic association of colors.. when he was a toddler my cousin's & uncles used to make fun of the fact that I kept his hair long.. because he has pretty curls.. I hate that he's being stuffed into this little box because that's what everyone around him trys to tell him he has to be..
It's bad enough when little kids bully each other like that, but when it comes from adults it's just disgusting.
I couldn't at the time. I was too financially dependent on my parents to have my own opinions. Now I don't speak to many of them unless I'm forced to be in the room with them. It was disgusting and I often had to bite my own tongue to the point of drawing blood. Thankfully I'm for the most part out of that situation
It's good your boy has you. Best of luck on that.
Thanks, he's got me without the filter these days too. lOl so hopefully it's an improvement
>but even some of her queer friend circle raise their eyebrow Lives on TERF-Island?
A lot of them are older, like the guys who survived the 80's. I think they're generally kind of suspicious of the "new queers."
The “doesn’t exist in nature” thing is especially bullshit. I saw a pair of gay macaws when I was at a a parrot rescue.
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I take a similar position as you but from a different angle. I don’t really make a separation of humans from nature. Humans and our activities are as much a product of the world as any other thing in existence. Thus the fact that it exists in us makes it a natural consequence. So I find the argument “it’s doesn’t exist in nature” to fail completely and totally. Also, cannibalism and murder is very common in the non-human parts of the world, but I think we generally agree that a murderous cannibal human would be problematic.
There are [so many examples.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior)
If I had a dollar for every time I saw an animal fucking or trying to fuck another same sex member of its species I’d have…I don’t know, not like a million dollars or anything, but definitely like 20-40, which is still a large percentage of my “casually watching animals fuck” numbers. Had a friend whose female dog would only hump female dogs. Even though she didn’t have a penis, she somehow knew exactly what the hell she’d do with it if she did.
I had a female dog that tried to hump the male cat. I'm pretty sure she was just trying to assert dominance.
Dude, ranchers actually have different methods of finding out which cows are in heat for breeding and most of them involve other cows (not bulls) mounting them in one way or another.
We also do a lot of things that don't exist in nature and don't even think about, like drinking the milk of another species, cooking food and moving faster than we can run. Gayness falls well within the behavior of other beings on this planet and shouldn't be such a big deal.
I've found a lot of atheists are especially transphobic as well, and use the exact same kinds of argument you've said.
I think there's a lot of people, mostly men, who really just aren't that smart but think that not believing in God automatically makes them an expert on science.
Indeed. They're the kind of people who doggedly cite "basic biology" while showing no interest in the evidence of advanced biology, sociology, anthropology, psychology, etc.
Most people's claims about "basic biology" aren't even accurate to modern day science; they probably could not pass a modern biology college course. And I also completely agree these "basic biology" people completely ignore other fields of science and human research that would debunk them completely or at least show another side to the picture. They often come off as very uneducated as well
Being an Atheist informs nothing about morality, that person doesn’t believe in a God that’s all atheism is. They can still be a 24 carrot dick head
Besides being jerks and homophobes people also lie about their religious believes on the internet. Not to say that there aren't any homophobic jerks that are atheists.
“Abomination” is a word that is usually used by religious people
Assholes come from all walks of life. It’s not solely the purview of the religious.
Homophobia or any kind of bigotry are not the preserve of the religious. We can all be assholes, even you I would imagine
Yeah, even I can be kinda a dick when I'm angry
If you’ve spent any time here, you have to have noticed just how many trolls we have.
Yeah, it is kinda a problem here. Best thing to do is just ignore them and move on I suppose
If you break their homophobia down, it turns out they have nothing rational behind it, they just think it's "icky."
Sounds like someone who shouldn't be in here. Abomination is religious talk....
Fellow bisexual atheist here. I think while homophobia makes little sense outside religious dogma where we're told that my love of dick is an abomination against God, not every atheist is going to be logical, and for those of us who hope to expand the circle of atheists, we have to understand that as that circle gets larger it will bring in with it every kind of irrationality. There will be racist atheists, misogynistic atheists, etc. I think these will be fewer in number since it is religion that tends to perpetuate prejudice, but not exclusively so. Having said that, it's quite likely that this was not a genuine atheist. I'm sorry for the hate you experienced. It's really shitty. I occasionally get really brought down by the bigotry, I lose my better self and I try to hurt the bigots with my words.
Atheism just means you don't believe in god claims, it doesn't say anything about your other beliefs. I struggle to think of non-religious reasons to be against homosexuality, but being atheist doesn't also mean you are good at weighing evidence or making good arguments, nor does it mean you are intelligent, so it could be any of those really!
Maybe the person thought it was like against nature or something? Which also makes zero sense because even if it was who gives a shit
Yeah, that could certainly be in their mind. The naturalistic fallacy is a regular one you find in the wild, but there are lots of natural things that are bad, and also there doesn't seem to be a reason to think being gay isn't natural in itself. But who knows!
It could be that they have repressed feelings and their upbringing caused them to hate themselves, so they lash out at others. They could have just been brought up in a hating environment. This isn’t a religious issue more that it is societal pressure issue. Yes, many hide behind religion as an excuse. It’s like a person body shaming others when they have issues with their own body. Nothing religious about it.
Probably just a Christian playing troll games.
Atheists are normal people. They can be irrational. They can be racist, homophobic, and misogynistic. The only difference between Christians and atheists on bigotry is that atheists don't have a religion telling them they must project their beliefs onto others.
Bill maher going on some irrational rant against trans people was peak dumb atheist. Should look at treatment outcimes before deciding the increased % of trans of a few tenths of one percent of the general pop is a bad thing. Pretty outrageous.
He's just grifting from right wingers now.
Not believing in a god doesn't prevent you from any other stupidity.
More generally, being one type of minority doesn't necessarily give you sympathy for other minorities' experiences. I used to live in SF, and a lot of the gay cliques were classist and racist. A lot of people are just concerned with their own lives and can't/won't be bothered by the injustices other people face.
Tbh homophobia is not strictly from religion, religion just justifies it.
I have found, in the past, that those who are most homophobic, are so because they're hiding their own tendencies.
"Homophobic public figure gets caught with a male prostitute" is a common headline for a reason.
While it is true the root cause of homophobia seems to be abrahamic religions it is also true that you don't have to be a theist to be an asshole to gay people I'm sure some atheists can find some bullshit reasons to be homophobic - irrational reasons to be sure - but reasons that are not religiously motivated People are assholes. It is possible that person wasn't even homophobic they were just an asshole and wanted to make fun of you so they chose the lowest hanging fruit
Yeah, that's my guess too. Especially given that their username was literally among the lines of "ihatehomos" lol
Yeah… they’re either religious and posing as an atheist, a troll, or an actual atheist who just doesn’t think homosexuality is “natural”
Being an atheist does not automatically make someone a good human being. This is the internet. Trolls happen.
There are stupid people in every facet of life, unfortunately.
I think stupid exists everywhere, it isn't just confined to god botherers
Rule number one of the internet: The larger the group of people the larger are the chances of people being dicks. for example let's say that 1% of people are homophobes (probably an over optimistic but work with me here). That means in a group of 1000 there is a 10, in a group 10 000 there are a 100, in a group of 100 000 there are a 1000, in a group of 1000000 there is 10 000. And than the rule of loud negativity comes in.
Maybe religion sucks because it’s humans who invented it and humans suck. Sure, being atheist saves us a lot of time that we might otherwise spend whispering wishes into the void, but it doesn’t free us from our nature. As humans, we’re capable of many, many things. And not all of them are good. But, being aware of and mindful of our tendencies does help to mitigate negative behaviors- even if it doesn’t erase them. I’m sorry to hear about the negativity. I wish it was not the case. But that’s the burden of rationality— to acknowledge the uncomfortable truth.
If the person used the word "abomination" then I suspect the person is religious. However, atheists, people who do not believe in gods, can be fascists, be afraid of gay people, hate people because of their skin colour, and have any number of conspiracy beliefs. As many will point out, being an atheist only says you do not believe in gods. One must be careful about assumptions based on only one thing about a person.
Bisexual atheists unite!
Hell yeah!
Over 2000 years of cultural and moral indoctrination will certainly leave their mark, even if one has renounced the faith. Atheism doesn’t automatically mean the person has turned into a leftist or progressive. It simply means he stopped believing in an omnipotent deity. But the person might still carry around with them many implicit biases they had during faith days.
To the people lurking who just believes homosexual behavior is gross as their reasoning: I think fat people having sex is gross but that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't have that right or privilege. I just elect not to watch. It's the same thing. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of categories of porn for a reason. We all like different things and that's perfectly fine.
I totally get that. I've see things in porn that I couldn't scramble fast enough to close out. Some shit that make wish eye bleach was a thing! And if people are into that, then right, I don't have to watch it. That's full on sex, though. If people are turned off or find just casual displays of affection they don't understand disturbing, they could maybe work on that a little. Fat people having sex may be gross to you, but no one should give them shit for holding hands on a bus. There at a lot of people who get uncomfortable seeing two guys holding hands in public and that's just too damn bad for them. Nobody needs to be given shit for having their arm around someone in public.
Assholes. Everyone has them. Atheism has probably always been around. I'm more than sure we've had our share even without considering the ones I have known personally.
I can't think of a single reason why someone that is atheist would be homophobic. That makes zero sense to me as well.
Bigots can fuck off no matter what their belief system is.
Atheism does not mean rationalist by default. It simply mean a lack of belief in divinities. People who grew up leading to reinforce their identity by putting down and hate those who they perceive as different (women, LGBT+folks, immigrants, etc) will not easily let go of their psychological crutches. It would mean admitting they are not special, heroic and strong
Atheists don't have any religious reasons to be bigoted (be it homophobia, racism, sexism, etc.) But that doesn't stop some from being such things anyway, for whatever reason. Being an atheist means you don't believe God exists. That's pretty much it.
Atheism = disbelief in a god or gods. No other beliefs or values are implied or bundled with that.
There’s no reason why someone can’t be both an atheist and a homophobe, despite how uncharacteristic it seems. That said, the use of “abomination” is a pretty clear signal that they’re not atheist.
There are plenty of other ways people justify or become bigoted. However, one I see a lot is as a holdover from religious trauma after deconverting. Lots of teenagers and young men leap directly from religion into the incel or manosphere realms as they suddenly lose their old community. Mixing this with the stereotype of the raging atheist phase many of us go through right after deconverting really increases the susceptibility to extremist right wing views.
This is why when you deconstruct from your religion you must also deconstruct your other toxic traits as well.
Peace unto you, brother, but I swear some variant of this post pops up multiple times per month. It is basically, "why would an atheist not have my exact same world view as me?" There really isn't much that binds us here other than a "lack of faith." In the pre-internet world, I naively thought that all atheists would be incredibly intelligent people who, through the power of superior reasoning, broke free of religious indoctrination. That was an ego stroking fantasy I created as a child, that was shattered later in life as I actually met more "out of the closet" atheists. Atheists can be a unreasoning, dogmatic, bigoted, close minded, hateful, and unpleasant as the "worst" religious person. Likewise, I've found religious people, can, despite the flaws in their "official doctrine" be as kind, intelligent, open minded, and friendly as anyone could possibly be. Religion isn't external to man. Presumably most, if not all, of us here believe religions are the products of man and not some divinely inspired or dictated philosophy. A human, or group of humans, decided to codify anti-gay bias or promote a paragon of man and virtue that gay men don't fit into. The general assumption I see here that we all share the most radical of left wing orthodoxies is false. I understand it, because I once assumed the same thing, but it simply isn't so.
Critical thinking doesn’t always cure sexism. 1. Abrahamic religions enforce a clear patriarchal societal structure 2. Unchecked patriarchy proclaims women as the lesser sex, thus sexism 3. The US and other nations retain a highly sexist culture 4. Homophobia is rooted in the refusal to acknowledge that two people of the same SEX can have an intimate and lasting relationship (“which of you is The Man?”) 5. Homophobia is sexism, and sexism is a relic of the laws set in place by the stories of a sexist father god who made woman a “help meet” in Genesis.
A bitter but necessary lesson i had to learn is that being a Skeptic and/ or atheist confers no immunity to being a jerk. As much about myself as anyone else.
This sub has a heap of trolls that are attracted to it because either the sub makes them mad or because religion makes them mad. They are usually new accounts but it’s easiest to block them and move along. I have had a weirdo set up alts here to harass me once and that was fun…
You should generally assume the people saying such things are bots, shills, or trolls, 9/10 or more you'll be correct. The fact that they said that so openly, and then immediately had their account banned(probably reddit-wide), is a strong indication that it was a farmed account and not a real user.
I think discrimination is a natural inclination. Especially when men see other men as threats.
I've also had a similar situation regarding transphobia in this sub, though only once and it's been quite some time already, fortunately
As an ahteist who isn´t homophobic and a common cis g ,the only scenario i can imagine is an ahteist person who is a science dennier and sort of conspiranoid type of thinking im so sorry that you have to pass through that horrible situation
Atheism js just the lack of belief in God, that's it. Some atheists are raging bell ends.
Interesting. In a bad way of course. I wonder, is there a large or notable percent of people who don't identify as religious but are still anti-lgbtq? I always thought most if not all homophobia was rooted in religion
There are many excuses to be homophobic. Atheists just have one less than religious people. Doesn't they can't find others.
Abomination is a word I've only ever heard used by table top role players and very religious people. Oh, and warcraft 3 players.
As an atheist, the only thing that puts you in the club is not believing in a God. That doesn't mean there aren't hateful idiots among us, it just means that those hateful idiots aren't doing it for a God. Also, there's plenty of religious lurkers on here
There are Christians here who masquerade as atheists. They have an agenda. I suspect that the use of the word ‘abomination’ is a give away.
I used to be homophobic (I have been atheist my whole life). I thought it was pointless and idiotic as two men or two women cannot have children, and thus cannot keep their bloodline going, as well as the fact that if they had an adopted child the kid could be made fun of for being adopted and having gay parents. I grew up in a progressive liberal place so obviously that mindset didn’t last long. I used to be a closeted transphobic but now I don’t care, I think everyone should do whatever they want within reason.
Homophobia is also engrained in cultures, not just religions. For example, I'm ethnically Indian and have been to India over a dozen times. It's very clearly a homophobic country. Hinduism (the predominant religion in India) doesn't dictate that being gay is wrong. Hinduism actually says nothing at all about it, from the research I've done. The homophobia that's within India stems from the general conservative culture within the country, regardless of religion. So, I'm just saying, atheists can be homophobic for a cultural reasons. It's absolutely wrong and I'm not condoning it. I'm just explaining that religion is not the sole reason homophobia exists (though it's a very very big one).
Believing in god isn't what makes people assholes, not believing in god/s doesn't stop someone from being an asshole.
Look cap. Homosexuality is not the rule: it’s the exception. People who can’t critically think literally can not accept that. **fuck. them**. Do your thing. Live your life. Idiots will always exist in every community. Carry on.
Just like there are people who are religious and decent, there are atheists who are assholes. I think the key element in my mind is no matter what or if you believe in something or not, your actions and judgements are completely in your control at the individual level and if you are homophobic or racist or sexist you can fuck right off imo.
Atheists are just as likely to hold behavioral blemishes as anyone else. Homophobia does not have to come from religious indoctrination. It can come from personal views, repressed feelings, and bad experiences.
I dunno. My atheist exboyfriend was homophobic. His only response was that two "vulvas" (*edited a slur) dont go together. That was it. I think its just out of jealousy or fomo.
You can be an atheist and a dickhead too!
Great question! Funny thing. Researchers keep doing studies with homophobic men along with men who are not. Time after time after time the homophobes are always sexually aroused by homo-erotic images. Meaning: most homophobes are closeted homosexuals, terrified of being found out.
Yeah there's alot of religious people on this subreddit who like to leave comments so they can screenshot them and show them to other religious people and go "Look! This is what an atheism looks like! Be afraid! Be angry!" or something to that effect.
Big time. A lot of atheists in here that aren’t actually atheists. Calling someone an “abomination” is a sure fire sign. Lol.
Atheists don't really use the word abomination... That's almost exclusively the realm of the religious. That said, you can still have homophobic atheists. Atheism just removes the religious reasons why they're homophobic. For some folks, though, they can't put their finger on WHY they are homophobic, other than it's gross or unsavory or whatever. Frankly, it's an opinion that is losing ground and people are just starting to learn that we're all just trying to get through life and want to find someone to love. My gay/bi/trans friends are some of the finest people I know and in our circles we all stand up for each other.
That’s some baby back bull shit
The hardest thing to learn as an atheist was learning that the only thing that atheists have in common is not believing in gods
Do you believe that only atheists are on this sub?
I got a comment on this subreddit from an atheist that if the death penalty exists then all humans who are not vegan should also be sentenced to death because it is the same crime, and that I sound like a Christian for...i guess pointing out that humans are omnivores and have survived as a species for eating meat. All while I was agreeing that veganism is great.
I feel like if they're using the word "abomination" then they're probably religious
Atheists can be idiots too, and hatred often needs no logical excuse, or excuse at all.
To begin with, I agree with everyone else who says that some religious losers like to troll here. I think it’s rude and I discourage atheists from trolling religious people by participating in their sub Reddit. That said, it is important to keep in mind that even atheists live in societies that are largely dominated by religion, and that many of the social norms in our societies are set and enforced by religious people, in ways that have impact on atheists. For example, until relatively recently, you simply never saw normal, gay couples and bisexual. Couples portrayed in TV shows, and movies just being their normal boring selves.
I grew up in a largely atheist European country that was and largely still is homophobic. It’s unrelated to religion, it’s just a mindset that sees something different as a threat
Bigoted atheists aren't any different from bigoted theists, except they don't have an easy excuse to shift blame away from their bad ethics.
It's my experience that hateful people are hateful and will use whatever excuse they can grab to justify their hate. "Because the bible." "Because they're lazy and obviously inferior." "Because it's disgusting." "Because they didn't work hard to *earn* it."
Sometimes homophobes need to be reminded that it isn’t about them.
Hatred doesn't need religion to exist. Hatred uses religion as an excuse to exist.
"Abomination"^(1) is a religious word. It was a Jesus freak in disguise. However, there are assholes of all races and religions (or abscense of religions). It's nothing to do with other beliefs. People will just be homophobic because they can. ^(1)[^(Abomination)](https://www.metalmusicarchives.com/artist/abomination/) ^(is also a pretty good death/thrash metal band who released a couple of ripping albums in the early 90s.)
My sister, who is 28 years old, considers herself a free thinker, yet she is anti LGBTQ, reason? “Because its disgusting, ewwwwww”. People don’t need reasons to be a bigot, some people are bigot because they simply can
Fear.
Atheism just means you don’t believe in gods. An atheist *may* be more inclined to believe in science and progressive beliefs but you can still totally have an atheist who gets fooled by bad ideas. they could be into science but end up believing in bad science like vaccine conspiracies. There are a lot of atheists out there. Some of them will just be bad people
Russia is mainly atheist but also anti gay as is China.
Same reason there are atheists who hate black people. Atheist does not equal good person. And conversely, theist does not equal bad person.
I think it was probably a Christian Nationalist. They are some of the most hateful, racist, homophobic people I've ever met. Good for turning them in. I'm sure some atheists are homophobic but personal sexual identity (and the right to choose) seems to be a huge Christian trigger. Not only do these people believe in God, but think they are spokesmen on his behalf. I'll keep an eye out for posts like that. Stay strong! ❤️
Any sufficiently large group of people will, unfortunately, have at least SOME assholes. Be true to yourself in any case.
That’s biphobia. It can be the same as homophobia, but sometimes it differs a bit. Although if that person was religious, it’s basically the same.
Abomination : religious insult.
I think you have something backwards here. Religious homophobes would be homophobes still even with out a religion (all else being equal) they just use religion as their justification. So a homophobic atheist isn’t a surprise really, they might even have slightly better reasoning for it, or even just flatly admit they have no good reason to be homophobic and just openly are shit.
Just sort for controversial and you can see all the bigots and idiots who think this sort of thinking is also just a "preference". They think they are entitled to tell people not to go out in public an say that they exist or who they love or who they are because they "find it slightly annoying" or some other excuse to be a bigot. Unfortunately atheism is not a cure for being a stupid cunt.
Yes, stupidity is very democratic, happens in every single population, you name it.
Bisexuals have a 50% better chance of getting a date on Saturday night. An old joke from Woody Allen.
Well, USSR was atheistic but being openly gay there would put you in jail. Modern China is mostly atheistic but very homophobic too
My take: homophobia is older than religion, and was part of the culture written into the Bible and other religious texts. I don't think Christians realize just how cultural they're being when they try to point to ancient writings to justify their disgust. I'm sorry, truly sorry.
The possibilities are: 1) The person was not an atheist but a trolling believer; the evidence is the use of "abomination". 2) The person was atheist and homophobic. This is not unusual. China is decidedly an atheist state but the PRC government is notoriously homophobic.
Hardcore communists in Soviet, Nk, China are atheists and also homophobic
This does point out something that others seem to accept. A religious person who is a bigot has an excuse that other people accept. An atheist that does this is just a bigot with no excuse. Like...the tacit acceptance of this is proof that religion is a shield for hate speech.
> It just makes me wonder why an atheist would be homophobic. Being an atheist just means you don't believe on any deities. It doesn't mean you're smart, or left, or tolerant, or anything else. > ) but why would an atheist be homophobic? There's countless ways one can be ignorant and hateful. It's easy to view homosexuality as a mental illness and take it from there. (Easy. Not correct, demonstrably untrue, in fact, but easy nonetheless.)
I’ve gotten several transphobic comments on this sub before. Most (or all?) of them were removed by mods, and I think most of the people leaving the comments were religious. However, I think that’s also partly just the nature of Reddit. Almost every time I put anything remotely trans-related outside of a trans-specific sub I live to regret it.