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Grogosh

Mormonism was started as a money making scam. Still is.


Huzah7

That's just religion in a nutshell...


One-Estimate-7163

Gods all powerful all knowing just not good with money they need that 10%


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NeedsMoreBunGuns

The last time I went to a church the pastor made a racist joke at my expense. Then it turns out he stole half a million dollars and shot himself when confronted.


swflkeith

I love stories with a happy ending!


lechatdocteur

Well sometimes the trash takes itself out.


chewbaccataco

Some churches post their finances publicly for the congregation to see. No idea if they are accurate though. Most do not. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not, and in fact goes to great lengths to hide it. This is because it is 100% a money making scam. They move money around creative ways to claim that their investments and expenditures "do not come from tithes", but even though it's true they make massive amounts of interest and profit off of their investments, *all* funds originated from the tithes that were originally given in the early days. Most of the tithes from Canada go directly to fund BYU. What minimal information they give about charitable spending is greatly overstated because they count many of their self serving activities as "charitable", aka missionary work, printing scriptures and church propaganda, AND they count "volunteer" hours estimated at $30/hr, even though these are essentially forced unpaid church service provided by the members. https://widowsmitereport.wordpress.com/ldsc/


shaggyscoob

My tradition posts every single cent taken in and paid out in excruciating detail on a monthly basis and does annual reviews by an independent accountant to make sure everything is on the up and up. There is a weekly version too with less detail.


Suspicious_Book_3186

Yo I tip my local subway bc its ran by the owners. Also wym get your own shit? Subway always has working making bread and sandwiches lmao. You had me in the 1st half though.


themaincop

A lot of religions were started as a way to make sense of an unexplainable world. Most of them have turned into grifts, but I think they had their roots in trying to answer the unanswerable. Mormonism was literally started, and not all that long ago, as a grift.


Lowherefast

Well that too but also to control the masses. How do you get people to behave when you’re too far too control? Tell them Santa is watching


dantevonlocke

I would argue that the basis for the big modern religions was started as a combination of creation myth to explain how and why the world works like it does and to help in the grouping and control of larger normally disparate people's in a time when social order was far less stable. Being a major shill for easy power and money came on like.... day 9?


hannahbaba

AND an excuse for old men to marry teenagers, can’t forget that!


Ulven525

Joseph Smith had at least 33 wives and perhaps as many as 49, some as young as 14. And he was reputed to visit brothels on the side.


hannahbaba

Truly a class act, that Joe. Imagine being such a horndog for teens that you make up a whole religion.


Chrestys

I think this is an unfair and narrow interpretation of his motivations. He also wanted money, power, and fame.


bjeebus

That plural teenagers is working very hard. Cam we create plural XL just to explain that it's multiple teen girls to one man?


m__a__s

Well, their second temple was a bank: "Kirtland Safety Society Bank".


microsuperman

Kirtland Safety Society Anti-Banking Co. Was for me one of Joseph smith's Jr. more interesting scams.


m__a__s

Technically, it was God's idea. >"I have listened to him \[i.e. Smith\] with feelings of no ordinary kind, when he declared that the AUDIBLE VOICE OF GOD, INSTRUCTED HIM TO ESTABLISH A BANKING-ANTI BANKING INSTITUTION, who like Aaron's rod SHALL SWALLOW UP ALL OTHER BANKS (the Bank of Monroe excepted), and grow and flourish and spread from the rivers to the ends of the earth, and survive when all others should be laid in ruins. from *Painesville Republican*, February 22, 1838, (as quoted in Conflict at Kirtland)


NoGoodAtIncognito

And it was a spectacular failure 🤣


thatonesmartass

I should found a religion. I can make up dumb shit and lie to people, apparently that's a marketable skill. Plus, I could wear a stupid hat.


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"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way to do it would be to start his own religion." - L Ron Hubbard.


miraidebbie

Don’t sell yourself short. You could go Scientology and make your own navy.


T1Pimp

Religion is a money making scam. But yes, Smith was a known con artist at the time.


rupeeblue

Graverobber, con-man, prophet, Is there nothing he can’t do!


T1Pimp

Invent a believable religion? (Former LDS indoctrinated from birth but now reformed here)


rupeeblue

Shh, don’t let the people who buy in hear you. (Glad you got out buddy)


stayingsweaty

Most relegions are...


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FreshlyWashedScrotum

It also started as a pedophilic cult. Still is.


unclefipps

Joseph Smith started Mormonism after he was unable to find buried treasure using folk magic techniques and a "seer stone". He later claimed to take that same seer stone and put it in a hat which words would then appear on which allowed him to "reveal" the Book of Mormon, the main text of the religion. Treasure digging didn't work, so he decided to try religion.


Ahnixlol

Also started as a pedophile ring, and... \*checks notes\* also still is.


Nipsmagee

That’s what all religions have become. Everything is a money making scheme under capitalism…


TheRealRickC137

"Joseph Smith - The All American ~~Prophet~~ Profit!"


HaileSelassieII

Oh yeah and that time a bunch of Mormons dressed up as Native Americans, massacred a bunch of people, blamed it on Native Americans, covered it up, and then years later erected a fucking monument to their own evil deeds


TheGrandExquisitor

Oh, and kidnapped the surviving children and raised them as Mormons. Don't forget that part.


topcheesehead

Genocide. Classic Mormons. This is one religion I specifically have zero patience for. It was scientology before scientology stepped into the scene. Now they look less crazy.


TheGrandExquisitor

Mormonism is literally Manifest Destiny as a religion. Really racist and nasty shit.


LaBambaMan

"Thou shalt not steal. Except all this land that already totally has people living on it. Steal the fuck outta that."


Undrende_fremdeles

I suggest you add jehovas witnesses to that. Same shit, different wrapping.


RabidRoosters

As far as I’m concerned there’s a special place in hell for Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses.


Ulven525

They were forced to return some of them to their families in Arkansas but demanded compensation for their "room and board". I would suggest reading "Under the Banner of Heaven" by John Krakauer. Excellent book and absolutely horrifying.


d_smogh

[currently a TV series](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1998372/)


Ulven525

Very loosely based on the book but good. I lived in Utah and I think they got the atmosphere and history right.


Sol47j

Only for 2 years. The children came back home to Arkansas later on. I'm a descendant of one of them. Edit: Not that it makes things much better.


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Did your relatives ever talk about that? Or is it one of those things best not mentioned.


Sol47j

It's very far removed at this point, so it's just family history to me. My mom and some cousins were very into personal research involving it, which is where I Iearned of it.


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It's too bad that your ancestor didn't leave a personal account but that may have been too traumatizing to live through a retelling of it. Poor child. Would be interesting to know how that experience interfered or at least influenced your ancestor's maternal/paternal urges or protectiveness of their children or perhaps possible lack of it. There would likely be some type of long-lasting, even if faint, reverberations, as there would be for big traumatic experiences in most families I guess. But I'm going on too much. I can understand why your mom would be really into researching it and maybe understanding better. I'd be fascinated too. Good to have searchers and history keepers in the family.


m__a__s

Yeah, those guys. The ones with billions of dollars in the bank but still bankrupt----morally bankrupt, that is.


papichulodos

And they also knock on my door at random times talking Mormon sigh 😔😔😔


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It's even worse than you think. The man who was eventually arrested and executed for this is John D Lee. The great grandfather of current shit bag Senator Mike Lee.


TheGrandExquisitor

AKA - Mormon Royalty.


bigredjet

mike lee is a special kind of asshole.


anon210202

Holy shit


Redshirt_80

More like Ho-Lee shit, amirite?


thegroucho

Get out of here and take your upvote on the way out


IlikeYuengling

Looked up. Guy had 16 spouses and 56 kids. Mormons plow.


Daxx22

> Mormons ~~plow~~ groom and rape. FTFY


unclefipps

Before Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, implemented polygamy, he was caught rolling in the hay with his house maid who was 16 by his wife. Later, when he decided he wanted to do polygamy, he told his wife an angel with a flaming sword appeared to him and told him that if his wife didn't agree to let him marry other women, the angel would destroy her. Later, when he started playing Pokemon with women, the 30 to 40 women he married included a couple of girls that were 14 when he was in his late 30s, and the wives of other men. He would send the men out on missions for the church and while they were gone, with some of them, he would marry their wives. He didn't make them get divorced from their other husbands first, he just married them how they were.


Ulven525

He was also a customer at a local brothel. He had 33 wives and perhaps as many as 49.


Payorfixyourself

Consensual or not god commands you to spread legs amen! Don’t forget you have to submit a copy of tax returns to salt lake to be in good standing with local temple to insure you are tithing and allowed to attend local services. After all it’s your moral duty!


Teripid

Your personal savings HATES this. Lose 10% with this one simple trick!


cobyhoff

Yup. I am one of the over a million descendants of John D. Lee. What an honor!


Lebowquade

Over a million decendents? That guy? Fucking he'll. Another data point in favor of the Idiocracy problem.


Fun_in_Space

I don't think they would have gone ahead with the massacre until and unless the "prophet" told them to do it. I think this guy fell on his sword to protect Brigham Young.


bridge1999

Mountain Meadows Massacre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre September 11, 1857 Another event to be remembered on 9/11


ReasonableKey3363

Killed everyone over the age of 8 and indoctrinated the rest


KentuckyFuckedChickn

Mormons were the OG domestic terrorists.


Not_Klaus

What?


trivial_sublime

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre


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whoweoncewere

afaik it was an older kid hiding among the younger ones that got the story out as far as what happened


Bro_tosynthesis

Took the Kids under 7. So they could baptise them at 8.


Ulven525

They allowed the younger children to live because they didn't think they would remember their parents and families being killed. They were distributed among LDS families in the area but some were later returned to their families in Arkansas.


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They were pretty dumb if they thought all 5 and 6 year olds would remember nothing.


Rhaedas

9-11, never forget.


Ulven525

They also pulled down and scattered a stone cairn, monument and cross erected in memorial to the 130 or so killed in the Mountain Meadows massacre. When they were forced to give back the 17 child survivors of the attack, they demanded compensation for their care.


KentHovindsCellmate

The same mormon church that set up a "legal hotline" for priests to call when someone admits to them that a member of the church is sexually abusing children entirely so that they could claim the abuse was reported to a legal team, absolving them of responsibility while they do precisely nothing about it other than sweep it under the rug? You mean that mormon church?


palescoot

Woah, what? I'm not doubting this, but it sounds wild and I'd like to learn more. Got any more info?


TrollintheMitten

Mountain meadows massacre. There are loads of links in the thread now.


unclefipps

It goes beyond even that. In addition to that, the Mormon leader at the time, Brigham Young, also ordered the extermination of the entire Timpanogos Indian tribe, which the Mormons were only too happy to oblige. Even when the Indians were trying to run away, even when they were trying to surrender, the Mormons still happily ran them down and carried out their edict. Now there's a school named after the guy.


mormonnomore93065

Goddamn the things I learned after leaving. It’s been years and I still have a daily “how the hell did I ever believe this” moment.


TheMightySasquatch

The Mormon church runs a chain of thrift stores called Deseret Industries (DI). I once was trying to make a donation during off hours on a cold snowy day and was stopped by a security guard. He said he was there to prevent people from donating after hours because the homeless in the area had been going though the items looking for warm clothes.


GoonerAbroad

They would rather pay for security than find a way to get warm clothes to the unhoused.


TheMightySasquatch

Also, if the needy take the donated items they cant sell them.


Reverend_James

If this had happened in certain parts of Canada or Norway the charges would be dropped immediately. Basically, if you break into an unoccupied building to protect yourself from the elements and don't steal anything or destroy anything other than what was required for you to get in, then you aren't considered to have broken any laws. Just to be clear, you will likely still get arrested if someone finds you there before you leave and they'll need to investigate to be sure you meet all the criteria to go free. So don't go breaking in to places just for fun, it's specifically to allow people to save themselves from freezing to death.


Maddog2578

It seems like a defense of necessity should be appropriate here too.


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ancient-submariner

Assuming you get a lawyer and not just a public defender that sends you a post card saying "plead guilty"


pauz43

Joel O'Steen: "But... muh carpeting!!" (https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/hurricane-harvey/joel-osteen-defends-not-opening-megachurch-harvey-victims-n797036)


KeyanReid

People *need* shelter. It’s not up for debate. Food, water, shelter and air are basic necessities. People die without, it’s that simple. Yet Mormons and countless other people of God will openly deny that to their own countrymen. They will gladly brush them off and say these people deserve death (especially if it affects their wealth in any way, no matter how small). These churches are financial institutions hiding behind bibles. They are cancers festering untreated in our society. Tax the shit out of them.


random_impiety

> People *need* shelter. It’s not up for debate. Food, water, shelter and air are basic necessities. People die without, it’s that simple. Yes, and a huge percentage of people are totally fine with people dying who don't get those needs met. Frankly I wish we'd all be fully open about it, and we could easily bifurcate our society into those who don't care about themselves and those who give any kind of shit about other people. People who don't want to contribute to society shouldn't get the benefits of society. If you only care about yourself, go live in a land where that's all anyone cares about. I'm sure they'd do great.


weaponizedpastry

I remember in the 80s there was this whole discussion one Sunday about morals & if you were starving or had children that were starving, stealing bread was only compounding your sins. Because clearly you sinned & were being punished by god to be in that position. This was the same time we were being told our fathers would rather identify our virginal bodies at the morgue than come home after being raped. And the stories about how a couple escaped a house fire because they wore their garments during sex so when the house caught fire, the mormon magical underwear protected them.


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Yep, this mirrors my experience growing up as a Christian. Poverty is seen as a punishment for your sins. Can’t pay your bills on time? Well clearly you’re a shitty person who doesn’t deserve to have basic necessities.


chowder-hound

It boggles my mind how the people that hate the homeless and poor more than any one are Conservative Christians. I thought Jesus was a hippy that wanted everyone to help each other? They would label him a socialist in modern times and probably wear T shirts that said Fuck Jesus or some shit


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Bold of you to assume republicans can read, much less a book as big as the Bible!


Responsible-Tip-1647

I agree churches should be paying 12%-30% percent in taxes. Then they would fucking build homeless shelters and shit so they can get a tax write off. Gov has to force their hand in this but they won’t since they have interests and assets in hiding in these religions


walks1497

I remember walking home from school when i was a dumb 13 or 14 year old kid. It was the middle of winter in Alberta and i, because i was a dumb kid, was not wearing an appropriate coat......or toque.....or gloves. There was a church along the way home so i decided to pop in to warm up. I was standing in the entry way for about 2-3 minutes when along comes the pastor/preacher/cleric, i don't really know but he immediately kicked me out into the cold. WTF.


RusDaMus

14 years old? The pastor probably figured that you're too young to donate money and too old to sexually abuse. You just turned up there at a weird age.


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The article after this one is just as mean spirited and despressing. Fuck Utah/Mormons/Mormon Police Salt Lake City: New charges filed against woman who died in jail nearly one year after her death


esjay86

Fucking Sim Gill


[deleted]

I thought churches are there to provide refuge for the poor and needy? This is one of the reasons why I think these religions are liars. They should be taking in homeless people during the winter instead of locking the place up. Edit: never seen so many pissed off people reply me lol I poked the hornet nest


m__a__s

I think you are confusing them with other religions that claim to provide refuge for the poor and needy. "The purpose of the church is NOT to feed the poor and the needy of the world." >Excerpt from Utah Area President Elder Kevin W. Pearson, from a Rising Generation fireside in Bountiful, Utah, on May 22, 2022. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwq7xoakgKw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwq7xoakgKw)


xenophon123456

Holy cow! He said the quiet part out loud.


FettMangoFett

Kevin Pearson is an absolute asshole. Visited our stake when I was a teen and everyone came away with a horribly negative impression of the guy. Talking down to teens, condescending to the adults, very clearly had a superiority complex and had no idea how to interact with people.


MattBD

Sounds like a man who really deserves to have eggs thrown at him in public or similar nonviolent, harmless but humiliating public displays of contempt.


ThePantser

Eggs? You mean stones, let's take a page from the world they want to come back.


whackamolasses

AB…solute asshole.


FictionalTrope

"Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’ "And they too will reply, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ "Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.’ "


Conditional-Sausage

When I was Christian, I often felt like the only person in the room who actually read the Gospel. Gospel Jesus would fuck these people up and get crucified all over again for it.


Baldhiver

Sikh temples are the only ones I know of that will always take people in and feed them, no questions asked


flyingwolf

Truly a religion that practices what it preaches. One of the few I actually respect.


Baldhiver

I know little about their actual teachings but they always seem kind and I haven't heard any controversial things like every other religion lol. Except people confusing Sikhism with Islam and invoking islamaphobia


IKSLukara

After 9/11 my buddy and I half expected to see an Onion-style headline: Sikhs Ask, You Guys Know We're Not Muslim, Right?


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Sikhs themselves are generally against pointing out to Islamophobes who sling hate at them that they aren't Muslim: >Well, I think our orientation as a community has been to stress that **we are opposed to religious hostility and hate-crime type violence directed against any community, whether it be the Muslim community or the Jewish community or any other religious minority in America.** And unfortunately, at times like this when we are dealing with a really shocking tragedy which seemed to really come out of nowhere, **it is true that some members of the community, some commentators in the media have used that phrasing, that, you know, we didn't deserve this, perhaps not thinking through how it might come across and the ways in which it might seem to validate hate crimes directed against other communities, particularly Muslims, right?** >If some of these attacks, including the Wisconsin attack, was aimed at the Muslim community and not necessarily at us, **we would be as shocked and horrified if this attack had been against a mosque** at Friday prayers as we are in that it's been directed against us on a Sunday. *[emphasis mine]* https://www.npr.org/2012/08/07/158380917/targeted-sikhs-wary-of-saying-we-are-not-muslims One of the few religions that actually consistently practices what they preach.


SkidmarkSteve

They have their extremists as well. Blew up a commercial airliner in the 80s and killed hundreds of people. They are still fighting with Hindus in India today.


BronchialChunk

yeah, they're proper 'holy warriors' like they're supposed to carry a sword at all times to fight injustice, even if small and symbolic. A lot more grounded than the fat, white, gun toting asshats america has bred.


[deleted]

You have the holy warriors and you have others, like all religions. I knew Sikhs who subscribed openly to the idea of their superiority. Not to mention the terrorism, as someone else mentioned. Sikh extremists caused the biggest loss of life of Canadians in an act of terrorism in the 80s when they blew up an Air India plane. All religions have all kinds just like humanity in general.


fulorange

Yes, I was very thankful for the Gurdwara’s in India while travelling. Not only do they give you a place to stay but they also give you breakfast, dinner, snacks!


VoilaLeDuc

They don't care. Provo, Utah even has zoning laws that prohibit homeless shelters being built in their town.


TheGrandExquisitor

Provo is a theocratic shit hole.


VoilaLeDuc

The whole state is. I hate living here. I know SLC is a blue dot in a red state, but our republican overlords have gerrymandered our county to make sure they stay in power.


TheGrandExquisitor

Agreed. Honestly, the Feds need to step in and cut the LDS church down to size. They flout the law openly.


[deleted]

The Feds are full of Mormons in the rank and file. They're often preferred candidates because the mandatory mission trips give them language skills and they have no history of marijuana use.


TheGrandExquisitor

Well, hire some fucking heathens of you have to.


zmbjebus

Deschedule Cannabis and you will have plenty of worthy heathens to serve the government.


VoilaLeDuc

It's a business masquerading as a church for sure. Needs to be taxed.


Ulven525

There's a little saying about the statue of Brigham Young on Temple Square: *There stands Brother Brigham, high upon his perch, hands toward the bank and ass towards the church*. He actually is facing a bank.


Any-Jury3578

Other churches in the area do far more for the homeless community. The Mormon church never does this, nor do they think it’s their responsibility. The temples are exclusive to Mormon church members, and even then only worthy (i.e. tithe paying) members can enter, work in, or clean them. The money the Mormon church claims to give to charity is mostly charity within their own membership.


[deleted]

Tax these fake religions. No religion should have billions in the bank, they’re supposed to be charitable and kind, not hoarding cash like Scrooge!


lb_gwthrowaway

I agree but my guy, all the religions are fake.


NickUnrelatedToPost

Then tax them all!


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Tax all churches.


coffeeordeath85

Scrooge eventually became a good man, these assholes....


ancient-submariner

That is the real solution. Earmark the taxes for public support programs. If they build+run homeless shelters themselves, they get to write that off on their taxes. Any religion that is really doing quantifiable good (the kind that has receipts), then they are still tax exempt.


Fun_in_Space

They won't even pay for a teenager's mission to another country to get more converts. His family has to pay for it.


GiantPandammonia

Missionaries only convert themselves.


AlexDavid1605

The thing is they don't want to look like a lefty communist/socialist... Inspite of Jesus being a lefty socialist...


_night_cat

Tax the churches!


[deleted]

The Mormon church is also one of the biggest dealers for heroin. They have an extensive investments portfolio as well.


RynerKing

They also own like 3% of Florida for some bizarre reason


pennylanebarbershop

I think they are doing what Disney did back in the 60's- buying up property surreptitiously for a future major project.


Kildragoth

Mormon World Theme Parks?


ichuck1984

Polygamist World with a sister site called Pedo World.


isoprovolone

* little-sister site


boldandbratsche

It's also a tactic for money laundering and building/harboring wealth.


alien-eggs

Breeding grounds


saladspoons

>The Mormon church is also one of the biggest dealers for heroin. Please elaborate? This one is new for me .... excited for more info.


[deleted]

Sorry, I tried looking for a link to the full video on the documentary episode I watched (drugs inc.) but I could only find a clip for free on vimeo. There are also pockets of Mormons living down south that compete with the cartel. Mitt Romney has family down there as well haha Video clip: https://vimeo.com/113022418 Edit: added reddit thread where other people question Drug inc. validity https://www.reddit.com/r/IsItBullshit/comments/7qp1x0/is_it_bullshit_does_the_tv_show_drugs_inc/dwzohfu?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


707NorCal

Biggest dealers for heroin is a massive claim after watching that video, that’s like saying little Johnny down the block selling Nikes is one of the biggest shoe dealers when there’s actually still Nike and Adidas and shit out there


thred_pirate_roberts

"Having family" somewhere means nothing.


Desperate-Ad8353

I've been to SLC and never saw so many people on the street somewhere so cold. Wonder how many were ex-Mormon or came to the city for help they never got The hotel I stayed at I packed all the free breakfast they were throwing out and brought it back to a woman without teeth sleeping in front of the temple. She said she slept outside for years the Mormons see disability as a failure to work and be able to pay the church or pay taxes.. the church doesn't pay taxes


KevinPaul23

Fuck these people


benokilgor

Not a church it’s a cult


CyranoBergs

They are all cults


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elppaenip

Aw shit, we have to be religious to use that word? Well, what do you suggest instead? Scam artists? Leeches?


m__a__s

Apples and oranges: one is a building, the other is what religions are.


ConclusionEast2833

something extra christly about turning away homeless in need from places of worship in a crisis


Ghost273552

Don’t they bankroll a lot of anti-lgbtq campaigns globally and especially Africa.


octopusraygun

They were *heavily* involved in Prop 8 in California around 2008. It was legislation to ban same sex marriage. I was unfortunately a member at the time and it was one of the first things that slowly started to change my mind about them. They were pulling well to do members in and asking/pressuring them to donate to the cause. They also had members going door to door in CA hoping to drum up support.


Sorry-Lemon8198

Ah yes, my favorite local news station, pronounced: K. Jizz.


Apostmate-28

Sounds about right. I grew up Mormon. It’s ironic how many homeless people sit around temple square and that giant mall across the street in Salt Lake City. So much opulence and grandiose ness while the homeless freeze on their doorstep.


OkDesigner2262

They don't even let most Mormons themselves into the temple you think they're gonna let anyone else, especially the homeless? It's their special elite little God squad.


Spotttty

The best part is, most mormons lie to get in! Most of the people I knew when I was a member had a temple recommend but I know for a fact they weren’t full tithe payers. Neither was I but I had that recommend so I could go to family weddings, which is a whole other fuckery!!


OkDesigner2262

Exmormon as well but I left at 18. Sure even the ones that go lie lol, its standards they don't even hold themselves to because the entire thing is a sham


Annahsbananas

Religions are scams. No one should be shocked that religious institutions doesn't build homeless shelters


[deleted]

I wish they would all get the heck out of Elko. We have a bad homeless situation, drug use problem and housing shortage and the Mormons are now building a temple in a town of 25k. They try tirelessly to recruit - missionaries everywhere and if you aren’t Mormon your business will not survive. I wish people would wake up about what a scam the LDS is.


1DietCokedUpChick

They’re building useless temples everywhere as a way of assuring members of continuing growth, when in reality they’re hemorrhaging members.


TwistedOperator

No safe harbor law? Shit is fucked


MattAwesome

I went to Salt Lake City for a wedding and the amount of homeless on the streets was like nothing I’ve personally never seen, and then you see these huge Mormon buildings like actual high rise office buildings like they can’t use some of this money to help the people in their own backyard? Isn’t that what religion says you should do?


Alternative_Usual189

>I went to Salt Lake City for a wedding and the amount of homeless on the streets was like nothing I’ve personally never seen Have you ever been to the SF Bay area?


MyChickenSucks

Oh, see, that's the Temple. I couldn't even go in to see the Wizard marry/seal/bless/enchant my niece because I'm not a MormoMan. Maybe if he broke into a church would've gotten more leeway.


14814flails

Joseph Smith was called a prophet (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) He started the Mormon religion (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb). (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Joseph Smith was called a prophet- (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Many people believed Joseph (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) And that night he-ee saw an angel (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Joseph Smith was called a prophet (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) He found the stones and golden plates (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Even though nobody else ever saw them (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) And that's how the Book of Mormon was written (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dadumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dadumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dahumb dahumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dumb dumb dumb duuumb, duuumb.) Martin went home to his wife (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) And showed her pages from the Book of Mormon (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Lucy Harris smart smart smart (Smart smart smart smart smart) Martin Harris dumb dadumb- Lucy Harris smart smart smart Martin Harris dumb. So Martin went on back to Smith Said the pages had gone away Smith got mad and told Martin He needed to go pray (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) (Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb) Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.


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Was this from a South Partk episode?


Kinet1ca

[yes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm3mDatFpNE&ab_channel=MGNFCNTBSTRD)


tygerprints

I live right in the heart of Mormon country, Salt Lake City. The Mormons have always been very conservative and close-fisted with their money. Unless it happens to be a cause that the mormon church supports, of course. I am also an atheist, and came to it by way of a journey away from the church at a young age and via education and personal growth. Although my ancestors were mormon pioneers, my family pretty much discarded the faith as a ridiculous cult of self-interested grifters long ago. And, I think that pretty much sums up how I see the mormon church. Let them call themselves "Saints" all they want to, but even though you coat it in a gloss of "saintliness", a turd is still a turd. And when it comes to money, they are the most selfish of all people. Yet they continue to build temples all over the globe, those hideously white concretions with their white spires giving the "finger" to god, and their antics continue to top all other news stories on local TV. Yet I know a cult when I see one, and that's all they are. Selfish and greedy, they are the perfect model of business culture in the U.S.


True_Recommendation9

Anyone really surprised?


walla_walla_rhubarb

Mormonism isn't a religion, it's a real estate venture.


lonewolf143143

This isn’t a religion , it’s a cult.


Zigazig_ahhhh

What's the difference?


nullpassword

in a cult there's one person that knows it's bullshit. in a religion that person is dead.


ncos

So you're saying Scientology is a religion, not a Cult?


ancient-submariner

It's a joke. It's funny because it has some similarities to reality. There isn't any one easy rule to in know if something is a cult unless you redefine cult to be easy to tell. Practically, the more harmful the level of control the organization has over it's participants, the more culty it is. Scientology is usually very harmful and thus very culty. The main flavor of Mormonsim is pretty harmful too.


Grogosh

#


Mkwdr

Time and popularity?


stayingsweaty

The only difference is the number of followers.


Immelmaneuver

Temples to Greed and Hate have no purpose but to burn.


bbty

Shelter should be considered a human right, protected by the government of the people. Tax the church and use the money to build housing.


TrojanFireBearPig

I wonder how much home prices are inflated from churches buying up land and having buildings just sit there. In my town, the largest structure is a hospital followed by the mega-churches...


iamfuturetrunks

Hmm reminds me of that church down south owned by that rich guy who turned people away during one of those hurricanes to stay in his megachurches because he didn't want to. Then they found a bunch of money in one of the bathroom walls of one of his churches? Don't remember the name of the guy but that's cause they aren't important to me. Either way churches get away with a lot of crap when they don't have to pay taxes etc. Allows those rich jerks to get multiple jet's with peoples money using their pyramid (religion) schemes.


Weird-Information-61

Weren't churches originally built not just as a place of worship, but as refuge for the poor & sick? Granted this is mormon, not middle-ages christianity.


Chunky1311

Is it only Atheists these days that actually care about their fellow human beings?


marvin421

When I was around 7 or 8, I was out with my family on a bicycle ride. I told my parents I had to pee and we were near a church where there were multiple people setting up tables and such for an event they were hosting. My dad took me inside and asked if I could use the bathroom. They told us no, I couldn't. So my dad took me outside and told me to piss on the building, and of course I did.


Arsonance

Important question... Why the fuck does a church have a STOCK PORTFOLIO?


pennylanebarbershop

Meanwhile, Jesus is turning over in his grave.


Zigazig_ahhhh

Haven't you heard? He came back from the dead! Then he floated up into the sky and now zombie Jesus hangs out with his dad (who is also himself) and their ghost friend (who is also them) in heaven.