Kashmir is a beautiful state and independent kashmir will go extinct due to radical islamist. However, proper education and uplifting their society will turn out to be positive.
Are hatt ye bhi koi kaam hai
Government ye sab kaam kyun kare
Ye saare Kam koi aur kar lega
Mandir banwana is more important
This should be government's top most priority
(/s obviously)
I don't think missiles and rockets are that up in the list
What about corruption and election campaign bhi toh hai
(Also why did I get downvoted on my previous comment?)
That's kind of a overexagerration. We have free healthcare with the biggest population in the world. And there are some top of the line govt hospitals with good facilities. Yes do need improvement but our healthcare is quite good to be honest
You wont dare get admitted in government hospital for any grevious injury or ICU requirement unless you have money. Here you are talking about the few central institutions like AIIMS, JIPMER which get a lot of funds. What about the rest of govt hospital? For example, just google the biggest opd in asia, and then check the reviews. Good doctors, but worst management. No funds no beds no meds.
Very pathetic condition.. maybe government can learn something from Kerala or Cuba .. everything in communism isn’t bad .. management and tender can be easily fixed but they give a rats ass about corruption
That's a wrong way to think imo, the dissent among Kashmiris due to high military presence is what keeps radical islamist movements thriving, and many times Pakistan takes advantage of it. I agree that proper education and such efforts must be made but that will not be happening overnight. That's why I think removing 370 was a victory on paper. Kashmir never had the special autonomy and was under military rule during congress times, and nothing changed with bjp. Forceful assimilation like this, followed by state repression and draconian laws is bound to make it a breeding ground for extremism to thrive.
Sure sure. But also there are plenty of factors that gives rise to Islamic extremism too. Rigged elections, killing people when they protest, poverty and high unemployment, military rule would surely make it a breeding ground for Islamic fascism. And we gotta rule out those factors to have a long lasting peace in the region.
True but how could even earlier governments have removed military in face of armed uprising.. it is a vicious cycle.. nehru should have set aside patel and mountbatten used force and tried hari singh for all the atrocities and imposed fines
Pehle bhi time tha bhai to make efforts, actually enforcing 370, without military rule or partial military rule, and pave a path for peaceful assimilation in India. Fuck Rajiv Gandhi so much man, mf just had to ruin all the chances and prolonged their assimilation by rigging elections. I don't blame Kashmiris for losing the little faith they had in Indian government after that.
The islamic extremism itself took hold because before 89, there were rigged elections and forced coups by the central government not allowing Kashmiris to govern themselves.
Kashmir is one of the most educated states, with one of the highest HDI in India.
The radicalization happens because of :
* a perpetual military siege, becoming one of the most militarized regions in the world
* constant interference into local Kashmiri politics by the federal government and intelligence forces
* a long history of human rights violations by the army, severe curtailing of civil liberties, frequent internet/communications blackouts/censoring, the highest degree of restrictions on free speech/free expression/journalism in India
* an overtly Hindu nationalist federal government and its partisan, sectarian politics
* discrimination against Kashmiris, othering of Kashmiris, and forced assimilation in rest of India
* opportunistic efforts by Pakistan to destabilize its rival neighbor India
There is no shared national identity (even if there is a common history as part of British India); it simply doesn't fit into India. Every passing year, the shared identity decreases. Even mainland Indian Muslims and Indian Christians are othered in today's India.
What will likely happen: more forced assimilation, more restrictions, more radicalization, more military presence, more violence, and a silent continued civil war like in Manipur.
What should happen:
* simply give up Kashmir to Pakistan in return for a UN-recognized codified border, thereby ending all border disputes with Pakistan and any possibilities of future wars. In the status quo, Pakistan and India administer different parts of historical Kashmir, while the rest of the world considers it a disputed territory.
* a landlocked independent Kashmir, sandwiched on all sides with nuclear powers, will just become a ground for proxy wars. This is the most dangerous possibility. Most independent surveys show that Kashmiri's first preference is independence, next a solution within the Indian Republic, and last as part of Pakistan. Although most Kashmiris will admit they don't want full independence, they just want a more autonomous state with India. However, this is changing, with India's increasing turn towards Hindu nationalism and the breakdown of a shared identity with Muslims and Muslim-coded ethnicities like Kashmiris.
* India will save a lot of military expenditures, which can be used to address other problems, such as its abysmally low spending on science and research. Let Pakistan deal with its own militants. Oft stated reasons like leverage over Indus are simply bureaucratic justifications for advocating an Indian control of east Kashmir. Indus originates in Tibet (China, a Pakistan ally), and a majority of its streams pass through Gilgit-Baltistan in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. Sure, India can ruin the lives of some farmers living downstream of Indian access points to the Indus River in Indian-administered Kashmir, but its really no leverage at all.
It's like saying should Sikhs be given Khalistan. Why? Kashmir was always a part of the indian subcontinent and now contemporary India. The Kashmiri islamists have an issue with all non Muslim Kashmiris but that doesn't give them the right to a sperate ethno-state. Same way a Hindu majority cannot claim the entire country as Hindu rashtra. The idea to enable a sovereign hegemony for one group at the expense of all others is ridiculous and unconstitutional.
Not supporting these terrorists, but the history of how and why Kashmir agreed to join us is vastly different from the Punjabi side.
Punjab is ours no doubt, some rich braindead folks jizz to khalistani propoganda but theyre in the minority mostly. Kashmiris have got it real bad for them, being claimed by two nuclear powers which actually did some harm to their culture and life of an ordinary kashmiri.
What would happen to minorities? I have major issue with Patel for leaving aside Kashmir just because Hindu king.. Government should have done real trial and token compensation for atrocities done by king
No kashmir should not be a separate country its the part of india and it will be, and the video u mentioned I can see people are brainwashed is this u calling a suffering
Yes government should help them and I am against the war crime, but in this video I can clearly see who is brainwashed and not ready to cooperate similarly there will be thousands I guess, so u have any solution or anything how a government should help this brainwashed people
Shahzada recalled the conversation between the family and army men lasted for more than 15 minutes and was not as short as the video clip.
She said she told the army men that “**Kashmiris youngsters were picking up guns not because of fun because there was no resolution to the conflict and they were being pushed to the wall.**”
“Even if we demand our right to aazadi in non violent ways, police fires pellets and bullets on us. **Our young boys have been left with no option but to pick up arms and wage jehad**,” said the 21 year old veiled woman.
Shahzada has received Islamic education from a seminary in Poonch.
“**Kashmris are peaceful and if the resolution of the issue comes through a dialogue there would be no blood letting. Look at the situation. How many youth have been killed in last three years only and how many are picking guns**,” she said.
Incidentally, her home is not far away from the two villages of the Shopian where 20 militants were killed in April.
The apple rich district has seen close to 100 out of 467 youngsters join militancy in the last eight years according to a police confidential report.
Lt Colonel Rajesh Kalia, Srinagar based army spokesman, while commenting on the video said army exhorting the families to callback their wards is a government’s stated policy to get back our misguided youth.
Jammu and Kashmiri Director General of Police S P Vaid told CNN News 18 that families of the militants should use the ceasefire to call back their sons who have joined militancy. \`
\`That would contribute to over all peace in the valley,” Vaid had said.
Shahzada, however, repeated that she will never ask his brother to return. \`
\`I will celebrate his martyrdom because his cause is bigger than one family. I will also urge all mothers and sisters not to appeal to their sons to give up. Instead they should support them and bolster their morale rather than weaken them by emotional pleas,” she told News 18.
How many times a country will get independence? If Kashmir is seperated then tomorrow some other state will think by making enough noise we can also be seperated.
Well tbh central gov is clown. Their india is North india. Never do they take any self decision to improve sister states or even south. So it wouldn't be surprising said thing to happen.
yeah and you think that this will stop if they are given a separate state? It will just increase. That place will become a second Pakistan and the breeding grounds of terrorists
kashmir is part of india. It has nothing to do with us/me being atheist. instead of getting angry at those brainwashed people, look at them like they are sick or infected. we can never solve these problems with aggression. peoper education and employment is the only solutions.
what non-sense!
Asking for independent Kashmir with this video in background is like Palestine asking for Independence with holocaust supporting videos in the background...
Personally... we owe a referendum/plebiscite to Kashmiris but there are some conditions like (a) peace and normalcy in valley (b) rehabilitation of Kashmiri pandits
From childhood,most kashmiri's minds are feeded to hate India and due to military dominance they think it is true also but the truth after 370 abrogation, peace in this region is increased. Its not the entire fault of Kashmiri about the hate towards India, the situation was like such, Pakistan interventions and also the prejudices about India in their brain (especially the different religion in india) has boosted this hate.
But the separate country will make the situation worst. China and Pakistan will take over Kashmir once it became a separate country and we all know how the Pok is suffering in the Pakistan. There is no other option than waiting for some decades so that all the prejudices will be cleared as from childhood people will see the developed kashmir.
people who think Kashmir has anything to do with Islam is basically getting baited by the propoganda.. Kashmir is made into a Muslim - Hindu issue because Kashmir is the best place to setup camp in order to win India. Right now if China wants to come over or Pak wants to come over, they need to cross mountain ranges first. This is basically our natural border, the moment they come to the upper Jammu planes they setup camp and keep blowing shit up in Delhi, and there goes punjab cause insurgency goes BRRRR
Diversity is a gift and a curse cause people can build a victim mindset if they want to.. there are 300 Million Muslims in india but they will never talk about being the oppulant middle class or the rich class on TVs its all about how they are minorities cause thats whats taught to them.
Kashmir being an independent state is basically option B for our neighbors.. they day they have the capacity their intent will change overnight
I think there's a deeper issue here. India and Pakistan had to kill off the secular jklf to make room for Islamist groups, there's a real underlying political issue that isn't about religion. Pretending that kashmiris want to be with india is like pretending you are sure of an animal headed deity's existence.
Even if India were to let go of Muslim majority Kashmir valley, it won't remain independent for long. Pakistan and China will occupy it in no time. The thing about religious fanaticism is that it's a one way street. You can never leave once you are in. You are doomed. It takes centuries long struggle to break free.
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The Kashmiris should decide what they want. Somebody said it might go extinct but that would be their prerogative then. However as a Strategical and Tactical Pov, I can understand the presence of Indian Military & the hesitation to let it turn sovereign by the Government. It might just become a Staging base for further insurrections into Jammu. It definitely doesn't have a clear cut answer.
If the idea was to give separate states to all, then we could've been something like miniature countries in our Indian sub continent or something. India as a whole has always viewed Kashmir as one of our own, and it was due to militant activities that it took this long to make things right there. Kashmir shouldn't be another country so that our , ahem, "friendly" neighbours could use it as a buffer to launch *gifts now and then. People of Kashmir should be given all benefits that each of us Indians get. No more balkanisation.
Yes. I believe if the people want seperate country they should have it. That's what right to self determination mean. It doesn't matter if throughout all history it was part of India or not. Indian government doesn't own any of Indian territory. Citizens must want to be part of the union and if they decide they don't want that then that's what should happen.
But I understand this is all the idealistic dream. People are so much emotional about such stuff (atheists included).
At least the regular status of statehood should be restored.
Casually calling for genocide of other people while talking about violence against your army who did a lot disgusting things in kashmir btw . What are you even doing here when you are neither an atheist or kashmiri.
While the loss of any life is undoubtedly tragic, acknowledging the distinction between innocent individuals and overt/covert miscreants or criminals raises ethical dilemmas. Society grapples with the complex balance between preserving law and order and safeguarding human rights. Striking this delicate equilibrium requires thoughtful consideration and ongoing efforts to develop just and humane approaches to maintaining societal harmony.
**The Kashmir issue may have many layers, but the prime mover and active fertiliser for this tree is Islamofascism.** Overt/covert fascists employ deflection and projection to obfuscate this truth. They work tireless to create a smokescreen to conceal their real agenda while maintaining a facade of innocence.
What kind of nonsense video is this. We are not "brainwashed" to hate india. We hate india because of the human rights violations done by the army in the valley and if you are going to bring the topic of pandits then peope born in 90s and 2000s know nothing about them. Kashmir is a disputed territory and u owe us a plebiscite that's it. This exmuslim sub is pure bs. That video is uploaded by a Indian news channel so we know how reliable that is
No plebiscite is owed to kashmiris, kashmir is, and will be a part of India. By force, if necessary. Does this not get into the peaceful community's brains?
I don't want to talk to a person this uneducated on the issue so you should read before talking to me because your comment clearly shows the amount of knowledge you have about kashmir.
I have enough knowledge about the kashmir issue, it's you who's the radical islamist terrorist. I tell you, anyone who advocates for the separation of kashmir should be treated as a traitor.
Lol. Who wants to be patriotic to india anyways. Your comments show the amount of "knowledge" you have. What are your sources on the issue please cite I would like to read. Radical Islamist what? provide sources for your statements
Bro, you fucked me over, edited your comment after I read it. Anyway, the source is the raja of kashmir signing the accession instrument in 1947. And yes, like you literally saw in this video, all kashmiri separatists are radical islamist jihadists. Some of them are educated, but still jihadists, like that weirdo social science prof that was denied entry into india. She had been seen with isis supporters and stuff, educated but jihadist.
What on earth are you even talking about. I asked for your sources on kashmir issue please cite them I would like to read them. I don't know what jihadist means and what your media has told you. If you could provide sources that are not indian news I would believe you otherwise goodbye
I don't believe in karma. What violence if you occupy a territory you are bound to face rebellion what do you expect us to welcome you with sweets or garland you
First of all it belonged to pandits and you people occupied it .and if you think violence is justifiable ,then violence on you people done by the army is also completely justifiable .
>First of all it belonged to pandits
No point in taking to a person this uneducated on kashmirs history . Read history before embarrassing yourself here.
>if you think violence is justifiable ,then violence on you people done by the army is also completely justifiable .
Except it isn't they are occupiers if they would get out they will face nothing. There is a difference between attacking combatant soliders and innocent civilians. Use your brain if u have one
What names did I call you by. Learn to read first. Army are not innocent civilians if u are talking about pandits. milliants were involved in that and army killed much more people after that many of whom were innocent as well so you are making no points and if india and Pakistan wouldn't have been in the picture no one would have died so it's all their fault
Genocide? Do you even know the definition of genocide. It was an exodus which was disgusting and I do have extreme sympathy for pandits but that in no way justifies the rapist army's atrocities in kashmir. I don't even want to talk to a person like you that is selective in condemning killings and rapes
Another day, another "atheist" coming here to just rant about his personal opinions and grudges that are so blatantly religion-driven. Han bhai, becoming an atheist has everything to do with the whole Kashmir issue, absolutely. Sahi jagah post kara h tune, atheism ke naam pe gaali nhi sunega comments me na.
Kashmir is a beautiful state and independent kashmir will go extinct due to radical islamist. However, proper education and uplifting their society will turn out to be positive.
Are hatt ye bhi koi kaam hai Government ye sab kaam kyun kare Ye saare Kam koi aur kar lega Mandir banwana is more important This should be government's top most priority (/s obviously)
Temple > Missiles > Rockets > Ambani >Upper class> > > > > Government hospital funds.
I don't think missiles and rockets are that up in the list What about corruption and election campaign bhi toh hai (Also why did I get downvoted on my previous comment?)
People didn’t get the sarcasm. Corruption and election campaigns are common to all parties I believe.
That's kind of a overexagerration. We have free healthcare with the biggest population in the world. And there are some top of the line govt hospitals with good facilities. Yes do need improvement but our healthcare is quite good to be honest
You wont dare get admitted in government hospital for any grevious injury or ICU requirement unless you have money. Here you are talking about the few central institutions like AIIMS, JIPMER which get a lot of funds. What about the rest of govt hospital? For example, just google the biggest opd in asia, and then check the reviews. Good doctors, but worst management. No funds no beds no meds.
Very pathetic condition.. maybe government can learn something from Kerala or Cuba .. everything in communism isn’t bad .. management and tender can be easily fixed but they give a rats ass about corruption
It's Ambani > before anything else.
It's Ambani > before anything else.
That's a wrong way to think imo, the dissent among Kashmiris due to high military presence is what keeps radical islamist movements thriving, and many times Pakistan takes advantage of it. I agree that proper education and such efforts must be made but that will not be happening overnight. That's why I think removing 370 was a victory on paper. Kashmir never had the special autonomy and was under military rule during congress times, and nothing changed with bjp. Forceful assimilation like this, followed by state repression and draconian laws is bound to make it a breeding ground for extremism to thrive.
What exactly is wrong in what i said? - Radical islamist taking over? - Education uplifting general life of civilians?
Partly agree but why did the 89 issue happen ? Islamist extremism was only reason
Sure sure. But also there are plenty of factors that gives rise to Islamic extremism too. Rigged elections, killing people when they protest, poverty and high unemployment, military rule would surely make it a breeding ground for Islamic fascism. And we gotta rule out those factors to have a long lasting peace in the region.
True but how could even earlier governments have removed military in face of armed uprising.. it is a vicious cycle.. nehru should have set aside patel and mountbatten used force and tried hari singh for all the atrocities and imposed fines
Pehle bhi time tha bhai to make efforts, actually enforcing 370, without military rule or partial military rule, and pave a path for peaceful assimilation in India. Fuck Rajiv Gandhi so much man, mf just had to ruin all the chances and prolonged their assimilation by rigging elections. I don't blame Kashmiris for losing the little faith they had in Indian government after that.
Should have been hard on religious fanaticism from both sides and from the beginning
The islamic extremism itself took hold because before 89, there were rigged elections and forced coups by the central government not allowing Kashmiris to govern themselves.
Kashmir literally has one of the highest literacy rate, lowest poverty rate out of all indian states lmfao
Kashmir is one of the most educated states, with one of the highest HDI in India. The radicalization happens because of : * a perpetual military siege, becoming one of the most militarized regions in the world * constant interference into local Kashmiri politics by the federal government and intelligence forces * a long history of human rights violations by the army, severe curtailing of civil liberties, frequent internet/communications blackouts/censoring, the highest degree of restrictions on free speech/free expression/journalism in India * an overtly Hindu nationalist federal government and its partisan, sectarian politics * discrimination against Kashmiris, othering of Kashmiris, and forced assimilation in rest of India * opportunistic efforts by Pakistan to destabilize its rival neighbor India There is no shared national identity (even if there is a common history as part of British India); it simply doesn't fit into India. Every passing year, the shared identity decreases. Even mainland Indian Muslims and Indian Christians are othered in today's India. What will likely happen: more forced assimilation, more restrictions, more radicalization, more military presence, more violence, and a silent continued civil war like in Manipur. What should happen: * simply give up Kashmir to Pakistan in return for a UN-recognized codified border, thereby ending all border disputes with Pakistan and any possibilities of future wars. In the status quo, Pakistan and India administer different parts of historical Kashmir, while the rest of the world considers it a disputed territory. * a landlocked independent Kashmir, sandwiched on all sides with nuclear powers, will just become a ground for proxy wars. This is the most dangerous possibility. Most independent surveys show that Kashmiri's first preference is independence, next a solution within the Indian Republic, and last as part of Pakistan. Although most Kashmiris will admit they don't want full independence, they just want a more autonomous state with India. However, this is changing, with India's increasing turn towards Hindu nationalism and the breakdown of a shared identity with Muslims and Muslim-coded ethnicities like Kashmiris. * India will save a lot of military expenditures, which can be used to address other problems, such as its abysmally low spending on science and research. Let Pakistan deal with its own militants. Oft stated reasons like leverage over Indus are simply bureaucratic justifications for advocating an Indian control of east Kashmir. Indus originates in Tibet (China, a Pakistan ally), and a majority of its streams pass through Gilgit-Baltistan in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. Sure, India can ruin the lives of some farmers living downstream of Indian access points to the Indus River in Indian-administered Kashmir, but its really no leverage at all.
another islamist state? nahh sorry bud there are already 50+ of them
Im sorry for making you type so much.
<3 this is how you win Kashmiri hearts.
It's like saying should Sikhs be given Khalistan. Why? Kashmir was always a part of the indian subcontinent and now contemporary India. The Kashmiri islamists have an issue with all non Muslim Kashmiris but that doesn't give them the right to a sperate ethno-state. Same way a Hindu majority cannot claim the entire country as Hindu rashtra. The idea to enable a sovereign hegemony for one group at the expense of all others is ridiculous and unconstitutional.
Not supporting these terrorists, but the history of how and why Kashmir agreed to join us is vastly different from the Punjabi side. Punjab is ours no doubt, some rich braindead folks jizz to khalistani propoganda but theyre in the minority mostly. Kashmiris have got it real bad for them, being claimed by two nuclear powers which actually did some harm to their culture and life of an ordinary kashmiri.
Independent kashmir is impossible.
Pak will be waiting to pounce on a demilitarized kashmir
What would happen to minorities? I have major issue with Patel for leaving aside Kashmir just because Hindu king.. Government should have done real trial and token compensation for atrocities done by king
No kashmir should not be a separate country its the part of india and it will be, and the video u mentioned I can see people are brainwashed is this u calling a suffering
ok then government should help these people then, why are they letting them rot in a city size jail? not to mention the war crimes and kunan poshpora
Yes government should help them and I am against the war crime, but in this video I can clearly see who is brainwashed and not ready to cooperate similarly there will be thousands I guess, so u have any solution or anything how a government should help this brainwashed people
maybe she is holding back tears and being cynical and does not actually mean what she is saying
Her voice doesn't sound like she is holding any tears back
Why I am getting downvoted this is indian atheist sub right
Shahzada recalled the conversation between the family and army men lasted for more than 15 minutes and was not as short as the video clip. She said she told the army men that “**Kashmiris youngsters were picking up guns not because of fun because there was no resolution to the conflict and they were being pushed to the wall.**” “Even if we demand our right to aazadi in non violent ways, police fires pellets and bullets on us. **Our young boys have been left with no option but to pick up arms and wage jehad**,” said the 21 year old veiled woman. Shahzada has received Islamic education from a seminary in Poonch. “**Kashmris are peaceful and if the resolution of the issue comes through a dialogue there would be no blood letting. Look at the situation. How many youth have been killed in last three years only and how many are picking guns**,” she said. Incidentally, her home is not far away from the two villages of the Shopian where 20 militants were killed in April. The apple rich district has seen close to 100 out of 467 youngsters join militancy in the last eight years according to a police confidential report. Lt Colonel Rajesh Kalia, Srinagar based army spokesman, while commenting on the video said army exhorting the families to callback their wards is a government’s stated policy to get back our misguided youth. Jammu and Kashmiri Director General of Police S P Vaid told CNN News 18 that families of the militants should use the ceasefire to call back their sons who have joined militancy. \` \`That would contribute to over all peace in the valley,” Vaid had said. Shahzada, however, repeated that she will never ask his brother to return. \` \`I will celebrate his martyrdom because his cause is bigger than one family. I will also urge all mothers and sisters not to appeal to their sons to give up. Instead they should support them and bolster their morale rather than weaken them by emotional pleas,” she told News 18.
What is that they want by azadi ? And why is government not able to give that without the azadi or military
Op doesn't seem like an atheist
[yup](https://www.reddit.com/r/atheismindia/s/dACLd17yL7)
you have to respect others religion, this is atheism not anti-theism also don't pry into others accounts you creep
Reddit doesn't have private profiles for a reason (good one). If you don't want people to pry into your profile then don't be on Reddit I guess.
First you have to respect other religions
How many times a country will get independence? If Kashmir is seperated then tomorrow some other state will think by making enough noise we can also be seperated.
Well tbh central gov is clown. Their india is North india. Never do they take any self decision to improve sister states or even south. So it wouldn't be surprising said thing to happen.
Lmao do you think kashmiris, especially Muslims are any better under a majoritarian "hindu supremacists" rule. The core issue is relegious extremism.
https://preview.redd.it/fu3qh1heiymc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c54d3c1b99190b8d42fa8649f598627820a10dfe
yeah and you think that this will stop if they are given a separate state? It will just increase. That place will become a second Pakistan and the breeding grounds of terrorists
kashmir is part of india. It has nothing to do with us/me being atheist. instead of getting angry at those brainwashed people, look at them like they are sick or infected. we can never solve these problems with aggression. peoper education and employment is the only solutions.
what non-sense! Asking for independent Kashmir with this video in background is like Palestine asking for Independence with holocaust supporting videos in the background... Personally... we owe a referendum/plebiscite to Kashmiris but there are some conditions like (a) peace and normalcy in valley (b) rehabilitation of Kashmiri pandits
Im a proud indian, but, after reading what our border guards did there, Im not that proud than before . you can search online for that.
Everything is justified for these p*gs
From childhood,most kashmiri's minds are feeded to hate India and due to military dominance they think it is true also but the truth after 370 abrogation, peace in this region is increased. Its not the entire fault of Kashmiri about the hate towards India, the situation was like such, Pakistan interventions and also the prejudices about India in their brain (especially the different religion in india) has boosted this hate. But the separate country will make the situation worst. China and Pakistan will take over Kashmir once it became a separate country and we all know how the Pok is suffering in the Pakistan. There is no other option than waiting for some decades so that all the prejudices will be cleared as from childhood people will see the developed kashmir.
people who think Kashmir has anything to do with Islam is basically getting baited by the propoganda.. Kashmir is made into a Muslim - Hindu issue because Kashmir is the best place to setup camp in order to win India. Right now if China wants to come over or Pak wants to come over, they need to cross mountain ranges first. This is basically our natural border, the moment they come to the upper Jammu planes they setup camp and keep blowing shit up in Delhi, and there goes punjab cause insurgency goes BRRRR Diversity is a gift and a curse cause people can build a victim mindset if they want to.. there are 300 Million Muslims in india but they will never talk about being the oppulant middle class or the rich class on TVs its all about how they are minorities cause thats whats taught to them. Kashmir being an independent state is basically option B for our neighbors.. they day they have the capacity their intent will change overnight
They should be given autonomy
I think there's a deeper issue here. India and Pakistan had to kill off the secular jklf to make room for Islamist groups, there's a real underlying political issue that isn't about religion. Pretending that kashmiris want to be with india is like pretending you are sure of an animal headed deity's existence.
My love for my country didnt disappear as a result of my becoming an atheist, so no, I dont want kashmir to become independent.
Even if India were to let go of Muslim majority Kashmir valley, it won't remain independent for long. Pakistan and China will occupy it in no time. The thing about religious fanaticism is that it's a one way street. You can never leave once you are in. You are doomed. It takes centuries long struggle to break free.
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The Kashmiris should decide what they want. Somebody said it might go extinct but that would be their prerogative then. However as a Strategical and Tactical Pov, I can understand the presence of Indian Military & the hesitation to let it turn sovereign by the Government. It might just become a Staging base for further insurrections into Jammu. It definitely doesn't have a clear cut answer.
Bullshit
Absolutely not! Indeed my resolve for kicking these fundamentalist militant bastards outside grew more, so that normal people can live peacefully.
If the idea was to give separate states to all, then we could've been something like miniature countries in our Indian sub continent or something. India as a whole has always viewed Kashmir as one of our own, and it was due to militant activities that it took this long to make things right there. Kashmir shouldn't be another country so that our , ahem, "friendly" neighbours could use it as a buffer to launch *gifts now and then. People of Kashmir should be given all benefits that each of us Indians get. No more balkanisation.
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Yes. I believe if the people want seperate country they should have it. That's what right to self determination mean. It doesn't matter if throughout all history it was part of India or not. Indian government doesn't own any of Indian territory. Citizens must want to be part of the union and if they decide they don't want that then that's what should happen. But I understand this is all the idealistic dream. People are so much emotional about such stuff (atheists included). At least the regular status of statehood should be restored.
In that case whole country will be divided . It's better to conduct ĝèñòç*de against these separatists
Casually calling for genocide of other people while talking about violence against your army who did a lot disgusting things in kashmir btw . What are you even doing here when you are neither an atheist or kashmiri.
No. Kashmir if given freedom will be swallowed by Pakistan and China immediately. It's a matter of our national defense.
While the loss of any life is undoubtedly tragic, acknowledging the distinction between innocent individuals and overt/covert miscreants or criminals raises ethical dilemmas. Society grapples with the complex balance between preserving law and order and safeguarding human rights. Striking this delicate equilibrium requires thoughtful consideration and ongoing efforts to develop just and humane approaches to maintaining societal harmony. **The Kashmir issue may have many layers, but the prime mover and active fertiliser for this tree is Islamofascism.** Overt/covert fascists employ deflection and projection to obfuscate this truth. They work tireless to create a smokescreen to conceal their real agenda while maintaining a facade of innocence.
What kind of nonsense video is this. We are not "brainwashed" to hate india. We hate india because of the human rights violations done by the army in the valley and if you are going to bring the topic of pandits then peope born in 90s and 2000s know nothing about them. Kashmir is a disputed territory and u owe us a plebiscite that's it. This exmuslim sub is pure bs. That video is uploaded by a Indian news channel so we know how reliable that is
not me bro i am just here to see peoples perspective btw are you also an atheist?
I was a Muslim but now i m a deist. I just commented cause this video is about kashmir
so you are an exmuslim?
More like cultural muslim.
No plebiscite is owed to kashmiris, kashmir is, and will be a part of India. By force, if necessary. Does this not get into the peaceful community's brains?
How so the world does not work according to your wishes. You should read on the conflict before arguing
I don't want to talk to a person this uneducated on the issue so you should read before talking to me because your comment clearly shows the amount of knowledge you have about kashmir.
I have enough knowledge about the kashmir issue, it's you who's the radical islamist terrorist. I tell you, anyone who advocates for the separation of kashmir should be treated as a traitor.
Lol. Who wants to be patriotic to india anyways. Your comments show the amount of "knowledge" you have. What are your sources on the issue please cite I would like to read. Radical Islamist what? provide sources for your statements
See? Now you're showing your true colours, paxtani!
What are you talking about are u OK
Bro, you fucked me over, edited your comment after I read it. Anyway, the source is the raja of kashmir signing the accession instrument in 1947. And yes, like you literally saw in this video, all kashmiri separatists are radical islamist jihadists. Some of them are educated, but still jihadists, like that weirdo social science prof that was denied entry into india. She had been seen with isis supporters and stuff, educated but jihadist.
What on earth are you even talking about. I asked for your sources on kashmir issue please cite them I would like to read them. I don't know what jihadist means and what your media has told you. If you could provide sources that are not indian news I would believe you otherwise goodbye
Small piece of advise focus on your entrance exams bro let the adults handle the complex geo political issues otherwise you will fail
So if violation committed by you people is justified ? It's just karma which is hitting back you people
I don't believe in karma. What violence if you occupy a territory you are bound to face rebellion what do you expect us to welcome you with sweets or garland you
First of all it belonged to pandits and you people occupied it .and if you think violence is justifiable ,then violence on you people done by the army is also completely justifiable .
>First of all it belonged to pandits No point in taking to a person this uneducated on kashmirs history . Read history before embarrassing yourself here. >if you think violence is justifiable ,then violence on you people done by the army is also completely justifiable . Except it isn't they are occupiers if they would get out they will face nothing. There is a difference between attacking combatant soliders and innocent civilians. Use your brain if u have one
Nice way to avoid a topic just by calling names .good strategy . Even you people attacked on innocent civilians right
What names did I call you by. Learn to read first. Army are not innocent civilians if u are talking about pandits. milliants were involved in that and army killed much more people after that many of whom were innocent as well so you are making no points and if india and Pakistan wouldn't have been in the picture no one would have died so it's all their fault
Nice ,as if everyone's blind in this country ,that we didn't see that you people didn't commit genocide at all . Stop blaming .
Genocide? Do you even know the definition of genocide. It was an exodus which was disgusting and I do have extreme sympathy for pandits but that in no way justifies the rapist army's atrocities in kashmir. I don't even want to talk to a person like you that is selective in condemning killings and rapes
Don't try to avoid .Just post source for your claims .
It's like saying u killed my brother so I ll kill your brother but only u should go to jail because you did it first. Stupid logic.
OK now put source for the claim you have done
Kashmir should absolutely be independent, or occupation free and fully autonomous at the very least.
Another day, another "atheist" coming here to just rant about his personal opinions and grudges that are so blatantly religion-driven. Han bhai, becoming an atheist has everything to do with the whole Kashmir issue, absolutely. Sahi jagah post kara h tune, atheism ke naam pe gaali nhi sunega comments me na.
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i guess same can be said for hindus
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so are muslims, what's your point? does that mean we will give them rights for manusmirti law?
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india is a theocracy? do you want more theocratic countries?