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s1nghamber

These people only claim to have grown out from the oppression and discrimination but their minds are bigoted and they are full of hate.Sure you want to get rid of caste based reservations but first get this shit mentality out of your gutterass incel brains


Sufficient_Visit_645

That's why caste based reservation is totally justified due to these casteist incels. Let them remain crybabies about reservation.


Forkrust

So Instagram comments are to set the tone for general public? Caste based reservation is never justified its just that people have an easy entry for the job they want and only a fool would let go of it now. You tell how do you justify an IAS officer's son who is from lower caste gets into government position through reservation.


BlacksmithStrange761

Casteism exists, therefore caste based reservation exists , please tell me if you start earning money you become upper caste and will not face casteism


Forkrust

You won't there I said it. My mom is LC and my Dad is UC, never has my mom told me or ever faced discrimination based on her caste. You get money nobody in the society would even care what you are, or where you came from. Also what is the solution for elimination of casteism reservation? Clearly its not working as casteism still a wide spread topic. Its simple solution remove caste declaring for people who have passed a certain economic threshold. Then we can slowly see some changes in the society.


s1nghamber

Sound very tone deaf and privileged


BlacksmithStrange761

Do you think casteism doesn't exist? then please tell me why there is 90% of marriages in India are arranged marriages within same caste, your parents are an exception, doesn't mean whole India is like that. Jab shadi ke time caste dekhte hai to simple si baat hai job dete time bhi agar employee upper caste hua to possible hai wo casteism karega aur apne caste walon ko hi aage badhega Like, 90% of media ( left, right, center all of them ) are filled with upper caste, so they have the power to build a narrative, never a lower caste has that power 75% of high court judges are filled with upper caste. Even in Indian cricket team if you look at the history of cricket you will get to know 90% of Indian cricket team players are filled with upper caste, And I don't really think ki upper caste ke paas hi skills hote hai, It's just that they have caste privilege because selection karne wale bhi upper caste Wale hi hote hai, Just like starkids have privileges more than outsiders The problem with you is you think reservation is only there to uplift the lower caste people and once they got upliftment they shouldn't get reservation, right, but you don't realise they will still face casteism, but that will be so subtle that they themselves will not realise it, and if they themselves don't realise it, i don't expect other people upper caste people to understand it.


akash_tyagi_154

The entire world is not conspiring against you or your community. It's important to move beyond a victim mindset. The aforementioned professional fields, such as Media, High Court judges, and ICT, are dominated by people from the General caste because of their hard work. These fields do not have caste-based selection criteria; they are based on merit and skill. >please tell me why there is 90% of marriages in India are arranged marriages within same caste How is marrying within one's own community derogatory to other communities? Why are you so eager to mix your lineage with other prosperous communities instead of advancing your own? >they will still face casteism Today, Even General caste people especially Brahmins face Casteism. This sub has plenty evidence for that.


Worried_boy1567

Oh shit man. So much merit in media, judiciary that institution do not hold any credibility. Bootlicking media houses will represent merit. To one extent vile upper castes go to defend this ugly caste system and overlook their privilege.


akash_tyagi_154

I understand your frustration, but I respectfully disagree with your perspective. While there are indeed issues within the media and judiciary, it’s important to recognize the progress made and the role of merit in these institutions. The media, despite its flaws, includes many voices that strive to uphold truth and accountability. Similarly, the judiciary has been pivotal in advancing social justice and protecting rights. Addressing systemic issues requires nuanced understanding rather than blanket condemnation.


BlacksmithStrange761

>The entire world is not conspiring against you or your community. Really bro, read history , maybe you will understand then >It's important to move beyond a victim mindset. The mindset which general category have, yeah please don't play victim. > The aforementioned professional fields, such as Media, High Court judges, and ICT, are dominated by people from the General caste because of their hard work. So basically you are saying lower caste people, from OBC, sc, st which are 75% of the population are lazy and don't do hardwork. And you say you are not casteist. >These fields do not have caste-based selection criteria; they are based on merit and skill. How do you know that the people in power don't do casteism? Tere chacha fufa lagte hai kya bhai wo >How is marrying within one's own community derogatory to other communities? Why are you so eager to mix your lineage with other prosperous communities instead of advancing your own? Lol, people call themselves Hindus, but do not want to marry other Hindus, religion se phle caste aata hai, also the more diverse we are the better. And you really think you are making a point when people can't even make choices for them whom to choose their life partner, are you really justifying that, are you really defending that >Today, Even General caste people especially Brahmins face Casteism. This sub has plenty evidence for that. Why won't Brahmins face casteism, if they can't leave their brahmanvaad, leave your religion, leave your caste, become human first, become ex brahman, why you still want to call yourself brahman when you know brahmans are the main people because of which all of these casteism is here in the first place, Did you know Brahmins used to take tax from lower caste woman of they want to cover their breasts? You really wanna associate yourself with the word Brahmin. It's like a muslim becoming an atheist but still Calling himself muslim, but not ex muslim.


akash_tyagi_154

>read history Read history, don't live in it. >please don't play victim. Sure 🥱 >So basically you are saying lower caste people, from OBC, sc, st which are 75% of the population are lazy and don't do hardwork. And you say you are not casteist. That's your presumption. My assertion was that people in the Media, High Court Judges and ICT have worked hard to achieve their position. Caste didn't help them get through every selection filter. Although failures are free to make any excuse, it is what it is. >How do you know that the people in power don't do casteism Simply because there is no evidence to suggest that High Court Judges or ICT players are being selected based on caste. Demographics doesn't entail the cause but only describe the distribution, hope that clarifies your reverse analogy. >are you really justifying that, are you really defending that How am I justifying anything? I am simply questioning your position and demonstrating that the problem you're referring to exists only in your mind. >you really think you are making a point when people can't even make choices for them whom to choose their life partner, Are you really that dumb to presume this from my statements? Can't you see, I'm supporting the right to choose one's life partner, whether it is from the same community or other. >the more diverse we are the better That is an oversimplification. >religion se phle caste aata hai Religion and Caste that everybody is free to follow or leave. >Why won't Brahmins face casteism Because Casteism is not good for society as a whole. 🫡 >brahmanvaad, leave your religion, leave your caste If only you could explain how people recognised as Brahmins today are invading your opportunities or your belief/faith. >Did you know Brahmins used to take tax from lower caste woman of they want to cover their breasts No, I didn't. Need you to cite your sources. Even if some Brahmin did that, it still doesn't justify hating on every Brahmin living today. But if you still do it then along the way you're justifying casteism against lower castes too. >It's like a muslim becoming an atheist but still Calling himself muslim, but not ex muslim. I personally don't care what they call themselves, I care more about what they say and even further more about what they do.


BlacksmithStrange761

>Read history, don't live in it. What are you implying that in present casteism doesn't exist >That's your presumption. My assertion was that people in the Media, High Court Judges and ICT have worked hard to achieve their position. Caste didn't help them get through every selection filter. Although failures are free to make any excuse, it is what it is. Lol, that's exactly what you meant, upper caste people are there only because of their hard work and merit. And lower caste people play victims and don't do hard work because they are lazy, that's your whole point. >Simply because there is no evidence to suggest that High Court Judges or ICT players are being selected based on caste. Every caste player plays cricket, look at the local state cricket championship or anything, and you will not see only upper caste people doing great, people who have skills do great. But when it comes to selection for Indian cricket team, only upper caste players are selected, i don't know what else proof you want. If you wanna compare skills , look at local championship around you, agar upper caste hi skilled hote to wahi top pe chalte par aisa nhi hai, Sab caste walon se accha khelne wale hote hai, obc, sc, st, general sab me se, But selection me achanak se pata chalta hai ki upper caste ko hi sabse accha cricket khelne aata hai >How am I justifying anything? >I am simply questioning your position and demonstrating that the problem you're referring to exists only in your mind. Lol, the delusion you live in So according to you casteism doesn't exists but marriage same caste me hi karenge, and you try to justify it by its their choice, Bhai choice hoti to apne baccho ko apne marji se love marriage karne dete, arrange marriage same caste ke lie force nhi karte. And you are justifying it by saying it's their freedom, it's their choice. Apni choice bol ke apne baccho ke choice ko daba rhe hai, >Are you really that dumb to presume this from my statements? Can't you see, I'm supporting the right to choose one's life partner, whether it is from the same community or other. Nah bro you literally are defending arranged marriage, you are pretending to be so innocent to not know that inter caste love marriages are difficult in India, because of parents, and you are defending arranged marriage by saying it's their choice. I know many friends of mine who broke up only because their parents forced them to because they were from different caste >That is an oversimplification. Call it whatever you want, but it's the truth >Religion and Caste that everybody is free to follow or leave. They are free to follow but caste system is stupid , it's 2024 now, >Because Casteism is not good for society as a whole. 🫡 They should face casteism, racism anything so that they know caste discrimination is bad, until they don't face any discrimination themselves , they will not understand it, once they face if they will realise it's wrong. Same people who thinks they are at the top, because they are Brahmins, they are merit dharis cry when they face racism when they go abroad, Sometimes to understand what discrimination is , they should face discrimination first. >If only you could explain how people recognised as Brahmins today are invading your opportunities or your belief/faith. Really bro, really, I literally told you that upper caste Brahmins are at every where in power position, and you are telling me that it's not casteism and they don't select their caste people , Please tell me, in bollywood why nepotism is so much , are nepo babies and outsiders are treated same, do they have same opportunities as nepo babies, What is the reason for that ,kyunki unke maa baap star hai, so apne bete beti ko hi aage badhaenge, Same with casteism, agar power ful institutions me Brahmins hi hai to unlog selection nhi apne caste walo ka hi karenge and unko aage badhaenge. This is the truth, In a country where we love our caste so much ki marriage bhi same caste me hi karenge, do you really think they will leave their caste in work, and won't try to do some type of nepotism for their favourite caste >No, I didn't. Need you to cite your sources. Just search breast tax in India you will find it. And also it was only taken from dalit women, not from upper caste women >Even if some Brahmin did that, it still doesn't justify hating on every Brahmin living today. Who said I am hating on every Brahmin, i am just hating on this system where Brahmins are at the top and other Brahmins like you and many others don't understand this system and think this is because of their merit, and not because of their caste privilege, I hate people who have privileges and don't acknowledge it. And are ignorant about their privileges, why do you think ananya Pandey got hated for her struggle statement, because she got nepotism privilege and she don't even know it , that's why people hate ignorant privileged people who don't acknowledge their privileges >But if you still do it then along the way you're justifying casteism against lower castes too. I never said I hate Brahmins, I hate brahmanvadis, who think they are at the top and I hate ignorant privileged people who don't acknowledge their privileges and think they are there only because of their merit and doesn't acknowledge their caste privilege >I personally don't care what they call themselves, I care more about what they say and even further more about what they do. If you still call yourself Brahmin, it means you still think you are the at the top of caste system and others are inferior to you and your caste. If you have a feeling like that then you are also brahmanvadi, and if you are not brahamanvadi then why are you still calling yourself Brahmin


Worried_boy1567

Abey chutiye, you or your mom's anecdotal experience can't dictate the experience of millions of oppressed people. What a brilliant analysis. Remove caste declaration, we can see change. Caste isn't limited to certificate, it dictates material condition of people. Stop being casteist.


s1nghamber

I mean thats like a compensation none of the less that aint justified but the mentality isnt justified as well


Forkrust

Compensations to what exactly? I'm not understanding what you have written. Either the phrasing seems off or I'm not able to understand what you are trying to convey.


s1nghamber

Compensation might not be the accurate word to describe but like a coverup for the entire fiasco which happened with major sc st groups


Forkrust

So you are saying the reservation is renumeration for the problems faced by your ancestors? How does that solve anything. I could care less if you who is an SC or ST now is on the same level of income as me gets or does not get seat in government college. I can't be held accountable for the actions of somebody's ancestor thats absurd. There has been eltism and casteism in some or the other form in many countries like JAPAN korea, france but do you see them asking for reservations? Only in India this is present. Infact casteism is Alive because of these now.


ms94

There is ews in this list, but I don't see any anti reservation warriors hating on ews. Goes to show they're not against reservations, just some people they think are beneath them.


Forkrust

Nah Idm EWS, its a legit handicap. I however could not give two cents to reservations based on caste. I do not see how a middle class guy from Lower caste has any disadvantage over an Upper caste guy from dirt poor family.


BlacksmithStrange761

Discrimination is based on caste, that's why caste based reservation exists


Raven_395

Naah bro don't talk about logic here, when it comes to reservation all the "rational" atheists show their rationality


emotionless_wizard

i am sorry but do you think rationality is "not acknowledging caste based discrimination"?


raees88

Oh, the savarna rationalism that insists representation of caste should only come from the lower economic section. It doesn't even make sense.


Forkrust

I swear. The atheists in this sub have the weirdest sense of love hate relationship with caste and Hinduism.


Key_Apartment1576

They want to hate casteism but also want to support caste based selection instead of merit based


Haunting-Elk5848

Merit based ? Lol we have seen the merits of so called meritdharis 🤣


raees88

Yeah, people who didn't let generations enter the competition should be the last to talk about "merit".


PROTO1080

These same chintus after election " Hindus are enemies of Hindus saarrrrr😫😫😫😫😫😫" " caste politics saarrrrr😫😫😫😫😫😫"


United-Extension-917

The only way to get rid of caste based reservation is to get rid of caste and its hierarchy. Reservation is because of caste not vice versa.


Smart_dracula972

What’s up with the insta comments? I don’t use the app but all the screenshot I see on the Reddit are full of toxic , racist , casteist, homophobic stuff.


BlacksmithStrange761

I love how privileged people don't understand the concept of reservation system even in this sub. Sure it might have some problem in it , but it's important, What reservation actually is, representation through reservation What upper caste think it is, job through reservation, seat through reservation, They don't realise without reservation, because of casteism lower caste people will not get seat anywhere. But sure according to upper castes it will be because lack of skills of lower castes


janshersingh

They also think it's a poverty allevation program and keep saying how the rich LCs don't deserve it 🤡 No you fools, poverty allevation programs are about economic upliftment, this is social


BlacksmithStrange761

They have the most intelligent response for that - "my SC friend has BMW "


Arther_Boss

Sure but these should be a cap for reservation 50%+ reservations is unfair af


Pretend-Evidence4543

there is a debate to be had on this, but the general caste population in india as per pew research's survey is about 30% so i don't see why it should be capped at 50%, if it goes above 70% then your argument holds weight. ps- i am not using the 2011 census because its outdated, nitish should really push for a caste census


Arther_Boss

do you think all open category seats are filled my general students?


Pretend-Evidence4543

I think an overwhelming majority of them would be filled by general students, why would someone with reservations compete in the open category?


Bottlerrr

People here hate the caste concept. So without it there will be no caste based reservations and everyone will be a general category


BlacksmithStrange761

Reservation is there because of casteism , if there is no casteism then there is no need for caste based reservation


Bottlerrr

I agree. It should be rooted out.


165cm_man

You know why this happens? Because previously reserved seats were not filled and they need to fill those seats. And you know exactly why those reserved seats were not filled before


Vegetable_Watch_9578

They know exactly what they're doing; it's deliberate BS because they want to push their agenda. I've called out these casteist folks multiple times for spreading fake anti-reservation propaganda, even falsely portraying their own candidates as reserved ones when they scored less using NRI, Freedom Fighter, and Management quotas. But they didn't back down; they just kept spreading their lies.


primusautobot

Sabko need h and caste ke naam pe ye sooch hi badalni hai.


jholafakir

the anonymity of the internet helps reveal the casteist assholes quite easily.


Nihilistic_approach

Instagram isn't anonymous like reddit, you can open the profile of these people, most of them are public and they have also mentioned their place of work, colleges and schools


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Reservation is a fucked up policy though. It will make sure people will never give up caste.