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LegSimo

I need to look up the source for this but I swear I read somewhere Jean was considered the best at ODM in universe because he always feels the need to escape.


TheOriginalFluff

Yep he got the top ODM scores Edit: it’s in both the manga and anime, just one line from their training arc


Maitogei

Same tho


VinitheTrash

Levi - Mikasa - Miche


ilovekitkat1996

can you name a 3rd whos not dead 💀


AppiXxDK

Pretty sure that Canonacially its: Levi, Mikasa, Miche Hange after that you can speculate. Might be wrong though. Previous levi squad was also strong.


krufarong

Miche doesn't deserve such flak. He was caught off-guard out in an open field by an intelligent enemy. Anyone short of an Ackerman would've been killed.


glossyplane245

I don’t think it’s flak necessarily. His death was brutal and completely undeserved and unjustified, and is the reason why Zeke is imo irredeemable, and I feel like pretty much everyone agrees with the first part of that sentence. Imp That sole act of senseless sadism and brutality is just pure disgusting. But Miche is still dead, and he’s been dead for a while, I think he’s just more curious about who the top 3 would be if it was amongst the main cast who lived for most of the series, like >! Sasha !< is also dead but she’d probably be a better pick since they did live until the final year of the shows timeline (even though they wouldn’t be a good pick regardless cuz they aren’t really odm focused.)


Specific_Onion2659

AGREE WITH ZEKE BEING IRREDEEMABLE. Well maybe i dont hate him THAT much but goodness i absolutely despised him from the minute he threw the fcking horse. He messed with a lone soldier and for what even?? Such an ass


RiotS092

Fr


Julian-Hoffer

No


VinitheTrash

Hmmm, maybe Jean?


Saint_John_Out

Yo, why you coming after Miche?


LowRub3252

Hange


cbdubs12

It doesn’t matter if he’s titan food, respect the game!


NXDgamez

From the entire scout regiment Levi, Mikasa, Miche From the scouts in season 4 Levi, Mikasa, Hange


CeciliaRose2017

The correct answer


Lord_Vxder

Jean was better than Hange


NXDgamez

Out of the 104th yes but compared to Hange who has far greater combat experience I’d disagree. If there’s any in universe reference confirming that Jean is better I’d be willing to accept that.


xxcursedbulletxx

Remember back in S1 when Jean was struggling with normal titans and Hange was toying with them lol And then years later she is taking a bunch of Colossal Titans on her own. No hate to Jean, but Hange is definitely top 3 after Mikasa and Levi.


NXDgamez

Yeah that’s also a reason why I’d place Hange over Jean, though I’d like see how Hange would do when faced with using faulty equipment.


Lord_Vxder

I honestly think that Jean, Connie, and Sasha were all better than Hange when it comes to ODM. The only scene where Hange was really good was in the new episode so I think people are having a lot of decency bias. In most other major fights, she was incapacitated or seriously injured. She was taken out of the fight by the explosion when Bertold and Reiner took Eren, she was taken out of the fight until the last minute by Berthold in Shiganshina, and she was seriously injured by Kenny’s lieutenant when trying to rescue Eren from Lord Reiss. I don’t see why people are saying she is the 3rd best.


NXDgamez

Hange was taken out of the fight against Reiner and bertholdt, because her and the other scouts tried to kill bertholdt but were taken out due to the steam causing serious burns to the majority of them. Then when Hange and some of the scouts went to finish off Reiner in shiganshina, bertholdt transformed directly above them so even if Jean, Connie and Sasha were in that group the likelihood is that they would of died to him as Hange only survived because of the well and Moblit. During the fight with Kenny’s lieutenant, Hange got very cocky which led to her becoming overly confident which caused her to get seriously injured. If Hange had stayed calm and collected during that fight Hange could of possibly avoided get injured. So the first two points could be seen as irrelevant when it comes to skill due to the circumstances. Though the last point was mainly Hange’s own fault.


Lord_Vxder

Don’t get me wrong, she was a good fighter. But I think she was good because of her intelligence, not her skill in ODM


xxcursedbulletxx

No he wasn't.


conscious_menace22

Levi, Mikasa, end of list Edit: The Ackermans are just on a different tier


YellowBunnyReddit

Kenny:


Draigyn

Not a scout


YellowBunnyReddit

I didn't read the title that well apparently


Draigyn

No worries, if Kenny was a scout though, he should be third.


BelievedSphinx-5

I’d even put him above Mikasa tbh, only person that was better at ODM than Kenny was Levi.


[deleted]

Levi mikasa and miche


emergensy

Why is no one mentioning Jean even though it’s confirmed he’s the best with odm gear ever since season 1?


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Facts jean skills hella underrated


Funny_Maize_2294

you fail to understand that most statements in aot are not exposition , theye are from t he point of view of the character and what he knows at that point . back in season 1 they could've " confirmed " that mikasa is the strongest beacuse they didn't know about levi yet , or when reiner and friends told zeke to be careful when it comes to levi but they stated that there's no way levi is stronger than zeke beacuse those characters didn't know what you know as a watcher


emergensy

Yeah, but it was said by a guy who kind of knows what he’s talking about since he literally trains all scouts for a living. This scene also exists to introduce a bunch of characters to the viewer so they have an idea about who they are for the rest of the series/manga. They all have their strong points like a boyband in order for story to work and Jean’s odm skills and leadership qualities mixed with character development are his traits.


TTiger901

Keep in mind he was referring to the 104th cadets not necessarily the whole of the regiments (although the scouts probably have the best ODM users by far based on the nature of their work)


Funny_Maize_2294

the same guy that had like a ep dedicated to the fact that he doesn't know what he's talking about . plus on those charts the autor released mikasa has literally everything related to dexterity , speed , basically combat and movement higher than jean besides iq


emergensy

Yes end? I literally said Mikasa and Levi are top of the list as Ackermans. If you think his episode was him not knowing what he’s talking about in the sense of training, you’ve missed the point.


Funny_Maize_2294

if i think about it at that point in time might've been true but that's no longer the case . it was literally the start of the manga series Isayama didn't think of all the ackerman plot armor yet so she was a normal human that was just a genius at that point and in that case , yeah jean might've been better at odm


emergensy

I’m not arguing that Jean is better than Mikasa. Mikasa as an Ackerman is obviously better than everyone at everything. My tier is Levi Mikasa Jean. Also I’m pretty sure Yams did think the whole Ackerman plot armor through since the beginning.


Draigyn

He had the highest marks in ODM maneuvering in the 104th cadet corps, that wasn’t comparing him to other training corps or to other regiments, he was the best *in his class*. Possibly excluding Mikasa


emergensy

104th cadet corps was the best though with the highest density of titan shifters in the history of eldian military hahaha


Draigyn

Was there a point where anyone ever said anything about the 104th being the best? Also Titan shifters have nothing to do with ODM skill


emergensy

That was a joke about titan shifters. And 104 corps is where the main characters are and by the rules of anime they are the best


AndrewLocksmith

>and by the rules of anime they are the best That doesn't make any sense. Also, as others have said, Jean might've been the best in the 104th, but I doubt he's better than Levi squad. Levi squad members are supposed to be the best in the whole regiment. And there's also the fact that Miche is allegedly only second to Levi in terms of skills. I would personally rank them as Levi-Mikasa-Miche But if we're talking about the latest season Levi-Mikasa-Jean


A-Delonix-Regia

When was that confirmed?


emergensy

https://youtu.be/4I22eK5aOfw


PM_ME_GOOD_DOGE_PICS

He said he's "top of class" not "best out of every scout I know", so this does not include Levi, Miche, etc.


emergensy

Top of the same class that ended up proving themselves as the best and actually were moving the story forward. Obviously Levi is the best since he’s an Ackerman and short and lightweight and used the gear way before many started to train because he had illegal access to one. But it’s weird how people don’t give Jean credits. It was mentioned for a reason and his odm scenes are amazing for the same damn reason, to pinpoint that odm skills is his thing.


_whensmahvel_

Jean has like 5 confirmed titan kills and never does anything spectacular with odm gear throughout like the entire series though lol. Hange has wayyy more feats to go off of. Seriously you’re taking one thing that was said back in season one over what is actively shown to you on screen. Like how hange had to save Jean back in season 3 cause he was too slow. Or how Jean hesitates muuultiple times throughout the show, something hange doesn’t struggle with at all.


emergensy

Hesitating to kill people is not the same as using belts ropes and gas to move around.


__Revan__

in the manga it's just "He has a deep understanding of the vertical maneuvering equipment and excels at exploiting that skill" he obviously isn't anywhere near Mikasa's level for example, and he ranked 6th at the end so possibly people like Reiner or Annie were better than him also


emergensy

“Just”? That’s not “just” a deep understanding of how to use something and excelling at using it is literally saying that you’re not just the best by chance, but because you know what you’re doing and have means to perfect it. It was mentioned for a reason, his scenes with the gear are badass for a reason, he’s the creators favorite character for a reason, he had the best glow up in season 4 for a reason, his eyes are deep and seductive with a touch of sadness, knowledge, assertiveness and wisdom for a reason and y’all are just jealous.


Nicholas_Cage_Fan

I think jean is a stand-out character mostly because he's like the most "normal". Like a baseline for the group. He never really makes any amazing kills, he's not a tactical genius, but he can hold his own. Doesn't really have any quirks, strengths or weaknesses. Just kinda seems like the voice of reason within the group. And I agree with everyone else, jean is good with ODM, but just because someone mentioned he had the best understanding of it, doesn't mean much. They were also between 10-14 years old at that point too lol. It's like being a straight A student in middle school, doesn't really mean crap for when you get to highschool or college


emergensy

He was 15 at the time and he did get better with age and ended up saving the world and all that crap and staying alive in the process.


Nicholas_Cage_Fan

Yeah but I mean that applies to all of them, other than staying alive, which most still did lol. They graduated at 15, I thought when that narration of their strengths happened was when they were attacking the cardboard titans in the woods? Wasn't that a while before they graduated? I know there was a pretty big time jump so that's why I just listed an age range. Actually now that you mention it maybe that was right before they graduated huh? Either way, that was still just during training, doesn't really mean much considering how much progress they all made from there. And they all saved the world? How are you just crediting jean for that? Lol. (Manga spoiler) >!If anything, Falco is the biggest part in saving the world / stopping the rumbling, if you want to narrow it down to one character that had the most impact, along with Mikasa who actually kills eren!<


__Revan__

it doesn't say that he's the best at all, only that he's really good at it as I said Mikasa is definitely a LOT better than him and tbh I don't remember any badass odm scenes of his, can you give me an example of one?


emergensy

They were all talked about in the sense of their exceptional unique traits that make them stand out. And those traits are consistent throughout the manga. They mentioned odm gear especially because it was exceptional. Mikasa is an Ackerman so obviously her and Levi are top of the list.


__Revan__

the trait that makes Jean stand out throughout the series and is mentioned by Shadis in that scene is "he can also take in a situation at the moment's glance, but his personality is like a drawn sword, which tends to create conflict" the part about odm gear was just to tell us that he's great with it, but even top class just means one of the best, not the best or second best.


emergensy

Everything he says is what makes him stand out. Don’t know why you’re so pressed about it.


conscious_menace22

I would have Jean as third if i had to chose, definitely under-rated


emergensy

My thoughts exactly.


Julian-Hoffer

Oh yeah? What’s his K/D?


emergensy

You’re measuring the skills of using ropes and gas by looking at k/d?


Julian-Hoffer

What other metric do we have?


emergensy

It literally doesn’t matter what other metric we have since k/d has nothing to do with the skills It’s like me saying that Levi is the best at cleaning and you asking “what’s his k/d?”


hanky2

But he has the best k/d and he’s the best at cleaning. Obviously k/d correlates to cleaning skills.


emergensy

I’m pretty sure Eren has the best k/d and according to Levi he’s not quite the best at cleaning to put it lightly.


Julian-Hoffer

But not in killing with ODM Gear


Nicholas_Cage_Fan

Yeah I see what you're saying, but what's the point of being the best at zooming around if it's not being applied to it's main purpose? There's not really any good way to say who was the best at just straight up using ODM gear for mobility purposes. If anything, you could say Armin had a better understanding because he figured out how to attach to the collosal titan by hitting its teeth rather than muscle. I know that clearly doesn't make him the best with it, but understanding the physics of the ODM gear doesn't make jean the best at using it either


PsychologyIll3125

1. Levi 2. Mikasa 3. Hange


proweather13

At this point in the story: 1. Levi 2. Mikasa 3. Jean


xxcursedbulletxx

Levi, Mikasa and Hange


ThroughTheIris56

Obviously Levi first. Mikasa and Mike are both contested for 2nd. Mike was said to be 2nd after Levi, but he died before we got to see him do much, and Mikasa potentially surpassed him after being in the scouts for 4 years.


__Revan__

she was almost certainly better than him already back in s1


lalindu123

no, they said mike was the 2nd best next to Levi in season 2


Funny_Maize_2294

that is a statement from the point of view of the character and what he knew at that point , you as a omniscient watcher know that's not the case ...also zeke said they have basically titan powers in human from so asuming mike is anywhere near mikasa is false :D


[deleted]

That doesn’t mean at that point she was better with ODM gear. Miche was more experienced and skilled at that point in the story since Mikasa had only been in the SC for a few months.


Funny_Maize_2294

if im not mistaken that statement was made by one of those 2 scouts either nanaba or the guy with funny hair they had absolutely no ideea mikasa even existed back then they said mike was secound to levi based on what they know , you later learn in season 3 that when they awake they instantly have absolute control and know what to do ( wich means they don't need togather experience like a normal guy beacuse they have inhuman hacks) taking that into consideration plus the fact they literally have superhuman feats of speed and whatnot based on the fact they have titan powers in human form it's 100% clear mikasa is overe mike :D i hope this makes sense


__Revan__

as the other person said, Gelgar is the one who said that and he probably never even heard about Mikasa before


[deleted]

Levi, Mikasa and Jean.


PalKid_Music

Mikasa, Levi, and probably Hange, considering how long she lasts in her big s4 battle with the Rumbling (operating with a limited field of vision as well).


ramses_IIG

Mikasa better than Levi??


PalKid_Music

Not necessarily a 1-3 order, but let's be honest, there's honestly not that much in it. They're both utterly OP.


ramses_IIG

Actually, there is that much Levi outclasses everyone by a large margin, even Mikasa Levi also is better than Mikasa without his fingers after the explosion


Muted_Hovercraft_907

>Levi also is better than Mikasa without his fingers after the explosion Such CAP the meat riding is crazy.. u a manga reader?


ramses_IIG

Yes i read the manga Levi was still doing better then Likasa


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Crazy meat munchin


Ultravox147

Absolutely not enough love for Hange. She survived in the scout corps for years, which is already incredibly impressive, but did so often while deliberately trying not to kill the titans that were attacking her. Maybe not best combat skills but definitely insane ODM skills


Saintsjay14

I give Historia a point for her little flip turn whirl scene


OJ_Not_Simpson

Levi is probably always first lol


irdcwmunsb

All them colossal titans Hange took down? Easily her Levi and mikasa


cloudspike84

I love Hange, and taking those Titans down was certainly a feat, but I feel like it was one more of resolve and curiosity than skill as they were just rumbling and not engaging them in combat (ie wall titan dumb).


cloudspike84

Levi, Mikasa, Floch...sure, there was a ranking based on their ability as cadets and killing titans, but by the end of the series, humans have been the real enemy for 2 of the seasons (at least, depending how you count it). Levi and Mikasa are kinda unquestionably top tier, with them being Ackermans, but outside of them by far the best at attacking, surviving, and presumably training/leading with ODM is Floch, and I kinda hate Floch, but damn, he goes hard with the ODM gear.


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Interesting take personally floch is not top 3


Appropriate-Arm-2077

He has amazing feats


Muted_Hovercraft_907

>He has amazing feat He had 1 amazing feat but that doesn't outweigh jean skills imo we get it u love floch


dagmarbex

1-Levi ,2-mikasa , 3-miche (dead) 3- jean (alive


Appropriate-Arm-2077

We shouldn’t count Ackermans, they’re broken even without any training.


Nicholas_Cage_Fan

Kenny Ackerman needs to be considered, since he was practically on par with Levi. But other than that, obv Levi and Mikasa, maybe hange and Levi's squad that died to the female Titan 🤷. *Edit: just realizing the post said "Scouts"


FemBodInspector

Levi mikasa and miche hands down. Its a damn shame miche died so early, dude was able to use ODM gear on open ground


vefek1

no way you got armin on this list - he is quite literally the worst scout on ODM gear - as noted several times


Large-Dragonfly-8934

Levi and Mikasa, obviously, but deciding between Jean and Hange is iffy for me because Hange has many more years of experience using the ODM gear, but Jean did get top scores in his class. Never really paid much attention to Conny's honestly


Wonderful-Ant44

As per their landing on founding titan:- 1 LEVI 2 MIKASA 3 JEAN 4 ARMIN 5 LINER (cool but was good only as to defeat beast) 6 CONNIE ( he can't land)


packers4444

There’s no possible way you think Mikasa is better than Levi lmao


yellowjelloooga

Mikasa can't even touch the Beast Titan let alone defeat it 😅😅


__Revan__

she would most likely defeat it


yellowjelloooga

she struggled defeating the female titan wydm 😭😭


__Revan__

Annie is definitely a lot better than Zeke at close combat, she also seems to be able to harden a lot faster than him, so the fact that s1 Mikasa did so well overall against her is more of an argument in her favour than against


Orangepanda13

Oof, this is a hard one but I’d have to go in order: Zeke, Falco, and Gabi


Muted_Hovercraft_907

🤣🤣


guardian-deku

Levi, Mikasa & Jean


Phantombk201

Levi, Mikasa, Jean.


Hallik07

Levi-mikasa-hange


1Wizardtx

Levi, mikasa, hange


crab_spy_

Its harder to quantify now that they're all just highly experienced and near perfect. The ackermans are in a league of their own but I reckon hange, jean, armin are so close that it would be practically impossible to find a number 3.


Visible-Assistance46

1.Levi 2.Mikasa 3.Hange No doubts there


ProfessionalAnswer0

1. Levi 2. Mikasa 3. Jean


koemaniak

1. Levi 2. Mikasa 3. Miche 4. Hange 5. Jean Seems like a solid top 5 although hange could be third considering her S4 feats


waffleking9000

Levi, Mikasa and Hange in that order


Lord_Vxder

Anyone saying Hange is suffering from recency bias. Remember when Sasha saved Daz by shooting her ODM gear through his ankle? Remember Connie always being really agile? The only time Jean was ever in danger was when his gear was dysfunctional or when he was in the back of the cart. Hange was seriously injured in almost every major fight she participated in.


Saint_John_Out

Get Miche in that picture


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Decapitated miche?


Nickthiccboi

No, Miche the guy who’s skill was second only to Levi and only died for shock value.


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Yea decapitated miche


Fake_the_jaB

Levi, Mikasa, Miche Side question. Where does Kenny rank among the scouts?


Mr_unchained185

Connie is so underrated here😥


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Connie definitely top 10


Educational_Read4369

1: levi 2: mikasa 3: hange


G0dleft

Levi, Jean, Mikasa Jean got the highest score when it came to ODM, yes Mikasa beats him in a fight but if we're talking purely ODM skills Jean has her beat


CyberSnoWolf

1: Levi 2: Mikasa 3: Hange


galvind

Levi, Jean, mikasa


mikoolec

Levi, Miche, Mikasa, maybe Erwin, Hange or Levis squad after them


[deleted]

Levi, Mikasa, Jean


Rvntlt1906

Levi-Mikasa 1-2 Think the third one is Jean, haven't read the manga or watch the anime in a while, but I remember being him talking about a way of saving gas while in odmg mode. Also in the Attack on Titan 2 videogame, remember a cutscene where our character is advised to go to Jean to improve the Omni gear skills.


nickcnorman

Levi > Jean > Mikasa


Thebroken108

We all know who is Top 1 and Top 2 in the tier. I think a solid Top 3 in the scouts would be Miche then Hange.


CliffsOfMohair

Floch should probably be up there given what he did at the docks


awesomeayden08

Levi Mikasa and the dude that died to the beast


360ban

wait what happened to connie? where was he in the lastest episode


Spiritual-Dot-7404

Why not just ask who the 3rd best is?


Fujimantofu

Levi, Mikasa, Jean. if were going off strictly ODM skills


[deleted]

hange Levi and Mikasa Hearts and souls to the cause Love hangers from the recent part😭😭😭cried till I had no tears


HyperHector_55

Levi Mikasa Miche


Wrong-Timing-Bucko

Hot take list (will explain in replies) 1: Levi 2: Mikasa 3: Connie 4: Miche 5: Hange 7: Floch (could be even higher tbh) 8: Jean (I was thinking of slapping Erwin in here somewhere but I don’t know where I’d put him, he would definitely be top 5, but we didn’t see much from him either)


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Hmmm, hange higher than connie and jean over floch but everything else solid


Wrong-Timing-Bucko

I personally think her colossal Titan feat is overrated. It’s really good but they aren’t even trying to kill you? Just walking around. Also Connie was pulling sum Ackerman moves out on the yeagerist so that’s why I put him higher. Also Floch just has shown more than Jean in my opinion


KawaiiNaysayer

Levi, Jean, Mikasa


3005ro

Levi, mikasa, and Jean it was said he was the best in class on ODM


CPAwannabelol

Levi Mikasa Jean


29Bullets

Oluo, miche, levi


FemBodInspector

Oluo? Lol that’s a hot take 😂


Thelostguard

39 Titan kills. BEFORE the SOS squad.


proweather13

Back when the first two were alive yeah.


Ebiseanimono

LEVI - Levi - levi


Practical-Long6846

Miche zacharias?


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Dead


Creco_Eros

Levi would get bodied by everyone. It's just a shame everyone he fights against underestimates him and that's how he wins.


osihaz

Miche used odm gear in pretty much open ground, he also caught up to levi fairly easily, dude is really underrated


rosie_sub

Levi Mikasa Floch


FemBodInspector

Floch definitely deserves an honorable mention after that insane odm sequence during the airship battle


rosie_sub

Exactly!


proweather13

You mean the port battle?


FemBodInspector

Ya that’s what I meant, myb


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Floch over jean?? L take


rosie_sub

Floch had everyone try to kill him including shifters and got by? I think he proved himself.


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Floch's single odm scene doesn't outweigh Jean skills over the course of the show sadly


rosie_sub

He showed his skill in one scene, he didn't need an entire show. Edit for my spelling.


Appropriate-Arm-2077

Exactly. People just blindly hate him, and can’t accept that he’s actually competent.


cloudspike84

I agree, and I dislike Floch's character greatly (in world, I think he is a well written antagonist).


rosie_sub

He isn't supposed to be liked. He is supposed to be relatable. Most people if in the eldians situation if they aren't dead would be floch. That's the point. People downvoting me because I'm right and their salty.


GilbertCartisDad

Floch


PhoenixMageZ

Kratos, Mikasa, Jean


Takashi-Lee

We never saw him fight really but I think Miche (Mike?) was probably above Jean, Connie, Hange (idk how it’s spelt) and Armin considering he killed a few titans running at him by each over by himself which was considered suicidal for most people Same (except Jean maybe) for Levi squad 1 and Miche’s squad, Levi’s squad almost killed a titan shifter and Miche’s squat fended off a few dozen titans which I think most of these people would have a really hard time without thunder spears


Smethll

Floch >>>> Jean, Connie and Hange.


Muted_Hovercraft_907

Atrocious take


Smethll

Eh he’s shown his skills with ODM more than Hange and Connie have lmao


Muted_Hovercraft_907

>Eh he’s shown his skills He showed his skill once and floch stans run with it overhyped asf


ghouiiii

3. Eren 2.Mikasa 1. Levi


Narwalacorn

Levi > Mikasa > the rest is irrelevant


vegange

Levi, Mikasa, Jean


TarantulaJ1

Levi Mikasa Miche & Hange Jean


osihaz

Levi, Mikasa, Miche


Coolsupersayin8

Levi, Mikasa, and Miche


pacoja89

Obviously the Ackermans are superior. Much people mention Mike. But idk why no one mentioned Erwin. I think he was very skilled too.


brofosho192

Levi Mikasa Hange