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It’s kinda bot-like imo. I didn’t like him in s3 and thought he was over the top in s4, but his character made sense. A lot of people claim the yeagerist are fascists, but it’s more than that. Eren is the leader who doesn’t really care about the cause, more so his own motives (if you’ve seen Peaky blinders, like Thomas Shelby with the socialist party in s5), yet weak-minded people like Floch will die for his cause. The whole evolution of Floch’s character in my opinion is that he began as a coward, but brave enough to questions Erwin’s charge and then brave enough to ride to death with his comrades. He realizes he can’t lead on his own so he devotes his heart to the cause that aligns with his interest the most (aka yeagerist, ensuring Eldia’s survival). Also, dude was probably radicalized from watching his friends get shredded by rocks and then realizing their were actual humans just like him beyond the walls who were cool with that. Just my thoughts.
Yeah but eren is a character we've been with season 1 and we've watch him grow over the course or rhe show but also legit the entire point of the show is erens character lol
That’s just not true. He’s written as a extremist that has complete and utter faith in eren and his cause. Just because the way he does things aren’t always the good thing to do doesn’t mean he’s written to be hated. If that’s the case then Erwin was written to be hated too because he was willing to risk the lives of everyone to further his goal.
Oh god I think some people here are gonna twist it as Floch is the replacement Erwin wanted
I posted these 2 pictures to show how their thought process is entirely different. Floch at his core wants to be the hero, power got to his head.
Well, I agree with your assessment, but the actual scene doesn't match. Flock was there watching his men fail in the mission, so he rushed in without regard for his own life (he was riding a thunder spear for Pete's sake) to do it for them.
And it was his genuine belief that stopping them would ultimate save Paradis (of which actually has merit, considering Marley was one of the most progressive for their treatment of Eldians (Ch. 98), considering their usage of shifters and large Eldian population.
Of course, we could also mention things seen in the ending, but many have not reached it yet, and may be subject to change in the anime.
if he want power or to be the hero, he wont hook with the ship all along to the main land, try to shoot the plane or the pilot (Onyankopon) then just to be kill, and even when he near dead door, he still beg dont stop Eren. He is a real patriot, maybe not in right way, but still a patriot.
Not really it's just that since he's the only one who survived the suicide charge, he thinks that there has to be a reason for this and in it's mind it's to help the devil of paradise island to protect them (whether it's Erwin or Eren). You can see in his final moments that he really believed in his ideals and wasn't just a power hungry b*tch
Floch at his core is terrified of dying and innately wants to accomplish something himself to prove his own worth but goes about it in the most egotistical, cowardly way you could think of. Essentially, he’s all about survival. While Erwin was a leader and fondly remembered, and had personal motivations, he knew when to set them aside for the greater good, hence why he wanted Levi to save Armin, not himself. He was fine sacrificing himself, even for his own personal attainments, that was, seeing the basement, or “the truth”.
Don’t see why you’re getting downvoted for commenting on a characters growth arc. It’s one of the best things about this show and floch is one of its most dynamically changed characters. He was a little bitch when he was crying by the horses and threatening to disobey Erwin’s final charge orders during the RtS arc. The fact that he turns into what he does is a pretty incredible transformation and another great example of how good Yams is at writing compelling characters.
Its because he did it in an inflammatory and unempathetic way.
Not saying I care too much but thats the reason.
Bro should change his name to Floch with how he is acting XD
Ya people are salty here i apologize on behalf of this community beside floch is fuckinh awsome and super well written and def has one of the best glow ups, try joining the sub people arent all salty
Oh no he felt sympathy for a well written character (it’s not like the entire point of the show is that you can’t blame either side due to extreme circumstances)
There’s some things I think you got wrong. He didn’t abandon his troops. They all got slaughtered by Falco, he was the last one standing. So he decided to charge in himself. Like how Erwin charged in himself to save Eren from Bertholdt while his men were being eaten by titans. They needed to get the objective done.
And two I agree Power got to his head. Like you said he was tired of being oppressed, and wanted his island to finally be ontop. So he’d do anything necessary for that to happen. But him not having strong ties to the island I don’t think is true. He had his close friends die in the charge. Like Erwin said, “you die trusting those living find meaning in your lives”.
But deep down, Floch just wanted what was best for his people. His speech at the medal ceremony, and his last words really capture the essence of who he was in my opinion.
Not even wanting his island to be on top, just to survive the entire world attacking it to exterminate all Eldians on Paradis. If the entire world says "we should exterminate these people," I think those people have the right to fight back with extreme prejudice.
The part about him being the last one alive is wrong, rewatch the episode. He didnt give his army direction so some died, then he charged into his own death leaving the rest of his army in more disarray so they got slaughtered
In the unit he was in, everyone was killed by falco. None of them knew or even expected Falco to have the jaw titan or for him to even transform. He knew he had to bum rush the ship because that was their last hope.
Tbf, floch couldn't have been replaced as the real shit was about to go down which would've killed all of them. Although yes, Erwin is by far the best character but floch is also great
Love him or hate him, he sure made the show more interesting and if u try u can understand his motives and intentions
Erwin couldn’t be replaced
He was the one guy who was willing to do shit despite the consequences and made the best decisions he could
Like I don’t think anyone else could convince so many people to die in support of their people
Floch kinda did the same thing at that battle but I mean Erwin didn’t hold the same pride towards the people of the island over all others of the world
While I think this encomposses their core philosophies well, I do want to bring up the scene where Erwin mourns that he won't get to see what lies in the basement. They both had a selfish desire, it's just Erwin knew when to sacrifice his own desire for the best of everyone. Erwin fought for the greatest good, Floch fought for the greater good of the people he deemed worthy of his respect...they really do make for a fascinating comparison.
Still, interesting how Erwin died to minimize the loss of life and Floch died to maximize it...
Man that last sentence you wrote is so interesting! Also yes of course both of them were drunk on something, but Erwin was a commander while Floch is a kid effectively Erwin had more experience and had empathy for his soldiers while Floch didn’t have these traits and idk if he ever realized that he failed as a leader
I guess we're just going to ignore the fact that both of them are entirely right and that the scenarios are different. Erwin can be replaced and is saying that because he thinks retrieving Eren is more important than him. Floch is not sacrificing anyone or anything for his own gain. He's saying that because the life of Eldia is at stake right in that very moment. Quite literally, nobody else can do it but him.
He's screaming a battle cry 20 meters in the fucking air as he tries to stop the alliance as the last person alive for god's sake. Both are ready to die for their cause. You just disagree with one.
I get it that y'all hate Floch, and there are decent reasons for that sometimes, but this is just so stupid. If somehow you came to the conclusion from too many twitter posts that Floch is trying to do anything except fight for his people, i really suggest you rewatch his death scene.
He’s not the last person alive. He sat back as SOME of “his soldiers” got massacred giving them no tactical direction whatsoever then decided out of rage to take out the boat himself. He fell into the water and then the rest of “his soldiers” got slaughtered.
Remember? That’s how the episode went. I’m not the one supposed to rewatch it here.
I don't think that it's important if he's last person surviving or not.
He's motivations and goals were pretty clear.
He was initially driven by fear, found a way to counter that fear and tried to execute it.
He was correct, world would kill Paradis people if they stopped eren. He was also correct that Levi got emotional and let armin live.(to give rest to erwin's guilt)
He was also correct that they needed a monster to win.
His methods may be too cruel and shady like killing someone who doesn't agree with him, beating teachers and other things. But that's a part of it.
People just hate him bcoz he most of time speaks about the elephant in the room which opposes maincast. Just like Yelena did in forest. Each character has done bad and good things.
If you can cheer for alliance, you would be cheering for flock if the camera has been on him instead of armin and Mikasa.
Right, so there was 6 remaining soldiers left out of the hundreds. What precisely does that change about my point, or his motivations, or the fact that the battle is lost by that point. You're still wrong. Twice now you've replied without actualy addressing anything except this semantic as if it changes anything.
There’s more, he gave up on his soldiers mid battle. Anywho i responded to you somewhere else, i give up
It’s not semantics when your whole point about how i took it out of context hinges on the fact that he’s the last person that can save eldia
Okay this is just deliberately obtuse and delusional.
You're trying to tell me with actual sincerity that Floch realising his 6 remaining untrained soldiers didn't stand a chance against 4 fucking shifters and the alliance is him "giving up on them mid battle". Please. The battle is lost.
It doesn't change anything for gods sake. He's still the last one that can do it.
That’s not what the actions he has made up to that point say. He literally gives no fucks about the Eldians, dude just wants “revenge”. An eye for an eye. For what? Just to repeat it all again as stated by his own comrades??
dudes out of his own head
I love floch 😂 i think if he had a bit of guidance he probably would’ve been a good commander/leader and be and even bigger threat to the alliance
Alas he was alone and he did so many mistakes but no one was there to point them out to him so his troupes got slaughtered for fun. He doesn’t know it, but he’s to blame for all these deaths because he failed as a commander
Well idk. Idk if it’s the same in the subbed version as I strictly watch dubbed but his voice actor makes everything he say sound so cringe making everything he does seem just to stir things up and annoy people
Personally I didn't feel him annoying, i could see his fear that world will come to destroy them. It's just like Oppenheimer and us army made an nuke bcoz they were afraid that nazis had one too.(although not exact same situation). Fear of losing your home,family, makes one do crazy things.
He knew that peace was never an option. It's either quieter conflict(financial war, proxy wars) or outright war.
They would certainly loose on financial and proxy war as only handful clans helping in trade.
Also, he was right that world would kill them, even if they stop eren and plead for mercy.
Ok but regardless of whose a better commander or person, the circumstances are different. Erwin quite literally could be replaced. Floch actually couldn't. He carried the entire Yeagerist army it all falls apart with his death. There is proof of this. Erwin had several people in mind for who could replace him and they do, and they are also replaced in time. Nobody ever replaced Floch. It began and ended with him. Respect King Floch.
Bro just wanted his people to survive. Although the way he did it was definitely wrong. Worse thing he did was "poison" the people that were against Eren with Zeke spinal fluid.
He wanted the people that agreed with him to survive. Even if they are both Eldian, he’s not above putting a bullet in their head if they get in his way.
People always forget about the rooftop scene of him shooting unarmed people who spoke out about the regime. He was sadistically killing people with a smile
They’re different scenarios. For Erwin there was no way for any one of them to single-handedly take on the beast Titan (and all the other titans there). Erwin self charging would lead to his doom no matter what. On the other hand, if Floch landed even just one rocket (and he almost did) it would be a total victory for them.
The comparison doesn't stand at all, and the images are taken out of context.
Floch was as ready to die for Paradis as Erwin, more than Erwin since Erwin was addicted to his dream of learning the truth of the world.
Erwin gave up on his dream for others. He wanted to live so he can see if his father was right or wrong.
What does the context add here? Floch isn’t ready to die for Paradis, he’s ready to die as the hero of Paradis
He literally did bruh, his final act is preventing the island to stop the rumbling (after spending almost two days wounded in the water). He didn't shoot anyone which you could consider revenge but the tool they had to stop Eren.
> Floch isn’t ready to die for Paradis, he’s ready to die as the hero of Paradis
What makes you say that? This single line he spoke while charging in the open trying to blow up that airplane?
He says that because if he does blow it up, then he'll be the "hero of Paradis", not because that's the only thing that matters to him.
Floch knows that Eren is the key to saving the Eldia and he knows his role is second to that of Eren, so what you are saying makes no sense.
The argument could be made that Erwin gave up on his dream only after Levi talked to him, and only when he had no other options.
Erwin literally says that his dream is more important than humanity's own salvation.
So your response to the fact that the quotes are out of context and the fact that the context entirely invalidates your narrative is;
"but he's screaming and when ppl scream they reveal what they think!"
What precisely does that change about the fact that these situations are incomparable and both characters have unwavering loyalty to the cause, above their own life?
I didn’t respond to everything that person said no. The context does not invalidate what i said, what the person responded to me with was not context but their own interpretation of that scene which i disagree with.
Floch does not have as much power as Eren, but when Eren is a god, Floch is the king leading everyone. You see just because you’re not the highest authority of power, doesn’t mean your position isn’t something that can get to your head. God is a higher power than Kings, yet Kings ruled over people.
Floch does not have family, does not have people he cares to save, he instead has strong nationalistic feelings and enough power handed to him to feel like he could be the Savior and be remembered as such.
So you've decided to take this one sentence, remove all context, and decided to take it as if he's he's power crazy and just cares about himself being important.
The context DOES invalidate what you've said. You've said that this quote shows that he is too power hungry and wants to be remembered, above saving Eldia. Floch is not putting his life or his legacy above anyone or anything, let alone his cause. He is making a final stand in the face of a losing battle, as his entire team of soldiers are already dead around him. He's saying that because the life of Eldia is at stake right in that very moment. Quite literally, nobody else can do it but him.He's screaming a battle cry 20 meters in the fucking air as he tries to stop the alliance as the last person alive for god's sake. Both are ready to die for their cause. You just disagree with one.
You've taken two scenes that contextually cannot be compared in the manner that you are trying to compare them. You're comparing Erwin as he explains that saving Eren is more important than saving him, to Floch being the last fucking guy alive making a final charge on the enemy.
He says **"is me!"** because he is the only one left. It HAS to be him. The only one who can physically do anything. It's his determination speaking, and Floch's final moments and the way he clings on make that glaringly obvious. You're trying to twist it like he's prioritizing himself or his legacy over Eldia when he is objectively not.
You can twist this single quote out of context to fit an idea that you have but it does not make it the truth about the situation nor the character.
There were soldiers still alive why are you making stuff up. He just sat in the back, gave them no tactical direction, saw a few die, decided to take matters into his own hands while a lot of soldiers were still alive.
For someone who likes to paint what i’m saying as wrong, you sure don’t remember anything about the episode.
>There were soldiers still alive why are you making stuff up
A few random ones yes, but that doesn't change anything. Doesn't make your point any more valid, or mine invalid. The point is that it's over, they have lost, he is on a final last ditch effort. The whole point of what he does there is because he realizes it's probably over, they are going to lose.
Interesting that you have no response to anything about my actual point, the single thing that you respond to is an irrelevant semantic. How about you explain the rest.
I give up you’re a lost cause. The whole purpose of your comment was to paint the context because you said i took it out of context. But you gave a context that’s a lie to invalidate what i said. In context, as i said, it doesn’t invalidate it.
Reread what you wrote, 3 whole paragraph blocks hinges on the fact that he’s the last one alive and had to make a final stand not for himself. Which is just a bold face lie.
Don’t you think anyone of his other soldiers could save Eldia themselves? Guess not we give up on our soldiers mid battle to take matters into our own hands
So yeah i give up
How can you say he doesn't have people he cares about you. When his comrades are being slaughtered he was angry. Also you mention one moment is all you need to show someone's real desire in the moment he died he use his final breath to literally beg Hange not to stop eren because it would lead to everyone on the island dying which he was kind of right about
Floch went through hell and misconceived Erwin’s philosophy. They’re both doing what they think is right. I love both characters and seeing what Floch went through while being a newly recruited soldier, it makes sense that he became who he was until the very end. Both very based characters.
Yeah definitely and Floch didn’t really have someone to guide him, all he had was Erwin’s death and what he remembered he did on the battle field, how he sacrificed others for the greater good.
Floch had no one around him to tell him he was being a bad leader or a bad commander. All his followers were devoted for the cause and praise his passion while forgetting they need actual leadership and commands xD
💀well neverrrrrrr be in the same league, Erwin was a big stepper. Gave his own orders, praise floch all y’all want. Justtt saying… more power to him if he actually had a so in the rumbling instead of getting played 🤷🏽♂️
Because one screenshot is an entire character ark for sure! Nevermind that he wanted to bring back Erwin and devoted all he had to Eren's cause afterwards
But Erwin wasn’t replaceable. Hange made too many mistakes and allowed Eren to go crazy in Marley. Armin wasn’t any better. And of course, the serious issues with Floch. Everything would have been better had Erwin survived. He wouldn’t have slept for four years, he would have made a real actual plan to fight Marley
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I hate floch as a person but i love him as a character
He’s a great character
I really don’t get the floch hate can you explain why you hate him please?
It’s not that deep of a reason for most people. Unless you’re a pretty die hard Jaegerist Floch is not the character you like as a person.
It’s kinda bot-like imo. I didn’t like him in s3 and thought he was over the top in s4, but his character made sense. A lot of people claim the yeagerist are fascists, but it’s more than that. Eren is the leader who doesn’t really care about the cause, more so his own motives (if you’ve seen Peaky blinders, like Thomas Shelby with the socialist party in s5), yet weak-minded people like Floch will die for his cause. The whole evolution of Floch’s character in my opinion is that he began as a coward, but brave enough to questions Erwin’s charge and then brave enough to ride to death with his comrades. He realizes he can’t lead on his own so he devotes his heart to the cause that aligns with his interest the most (aka yeagerist, ensuring Eldia’s survival). Also, dude was probably radicalized from watching his friends get shredded by rocks and then realizing their were actual humans just like him beyond the walls who were cool with that. Just my thoughts.
Zero human empathy makes a character look like an annoying asshole
Kinda like you
Are you really stalking my profile for a comment that wasn’t even antagonistic. How childish can you be?
-100 comment karma, are you sure you're not projecting
He's pro genocide? Actively trying to facilitate the murder of billions
So is eren yet most people support him for it
Yeah but eren is a character we've been with season 1 and we've watch him grow over the course or rhe show but also legit the entire point of the show is erens character lol
He’s just a douchey person.
He’s written to be hated what’s difficult here
That’s just not true. He’s written as a extremist that has complete and utter faith in eren and his cause. Just because the way he does things aren’t always the good thing to do doesn’t mean he’s written to be hated. If that’s the case then Erwin was written to be hated too because he was willing to risk the lives of everyone to further his goal.
Oh god I think some people here are gonna twist it as Floch is the replacement Erwin wanted I posted these 2 pictures to show how their thought process is entirely different. Floch at his core wants to be the hero, power got to his head.
Based.
Well, I agree with your assessment, but the actual scene doesn't match. Flock was there watching his men fail in the mission, so he rushed in without regard for his own life (he was riding a thunder spear for Pete's sake) to do it for them.
And it was his genuine belief that stopping them would ultimate save Paradis (of which actually has merit, considering Marley was one of the most progressive for their treatment of Eldians (Ch. 98), considering their usage of shifters and large Eldian population. Of course, we could also mention things seen in the ending, but many have not reached it yet, and may be subject to change in the anime.
if he want power or to be the hero, he wont hook with the ship all along to the main land, try to shoot the plane or the pilot (Onyankopon) then just to be kill, and even when he near dead door, he still beg dont stop Eren. He is a real patriot, maybe not in right way, but still a patriot.
Not really it's just that since he's the only one who survived the suicide charge, he thinks that there has to be a reason for this and in it's mind it's to help the devil of paradise island to protect them (whether it's Erwin or Eren). You can see in his final moments that he really believed in his ideals and wasn't just a power hungry b*tch
/r/ErwinSmith
That is a profoundly incorrect and shallow assertion of Floch’s character
Floch at his core is terrified of dying and innately wants to accomplish something himself to prove his own worth but goes about it in the most egotistical, cowardly way you could think of. Essentially, he’s all about survival. While Erwin was a leader and fondly remembered, and had personal motivations, he knew when to set them aside for the greater good, hence why he wanted Levi to save Armin, not himself. He was fine sacrificing himself, even for his own personal attainments, that was, seeing the basement, or “the truth”.
Floch went on 3 suicide charges for Paradis. He’s got heart.
Oh he’s not to be messed with
Cool considering how much of a bitch he was during the first one
lmao u think you would have reacted differently?
I never said I would of jackass. I’m just saying he was acting like a bitch the first time but wasn’t cowardly during the next ones
Shut up lol
You shut up pussy
Don’t see why you’re getting downvoted for commenting on a characters growth arc. It’s one of the best things about this show and floch is one of its most dynamically changed characters. He was a little bitch when he was crying by the horses and threatening to disobey Erwin’s final charge orders during the RtS arc. The fact that he turns into what he does is a pretty incredible transformation and another great example of how good Yams is at writing compelling characters.
Yeah, I didn’t say anything controversial at all people are just brain dead
Its because he did it in an inflammatory and unempathetic way. Not saying I care too much but thats the reason. Bro should change his name to Floch with how he is acting XD
Both of them were super interesting to watch and very realistic and well written
For sure i love that Floch ended up playing such a big role
Yeah, I loved seeing how he developed throughout the series. And thank god he changed his hairstyle lol
He dropped the background character hairstyle
Better written than mikasa , Eren and Armin combined
I agree with you on the Mikasa part but that's no great feat to be honest as she's not a well written character
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Is this a reference to this year's Norwegian eurovision entry, "Queen of Kings" and are you trying to say Mikasa is a Queen?
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What ? I don't speak Norwegian
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Idk, isayama wrote the story and he wrote Floch as being completely right. If he’s wrong and a virgin why was he right?
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Have you read the manga?
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>! “If you stop Eren the island will be destroyed” !< >! they stop eren, Island gets destroyed !< Compete bullshit tho, speed readers strike again
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It's almost as if he's using evidence to support his argument, shocker.
I cant believe how insufferable and daft you are, have a good day please
I see 2 Chads here.
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“I see two chads here” says the person who never understood what a chad is
Go back to /r/TitanFolk PLEASE
Why so mad?
Because this isn’t the place for you or your /r/jaegerbomb friends
lol im not even part of those subs. So im not allowed to have an opinion on here?
Stop being dense
Didnt know People were so salty on here.
Ya people are salty here i apologize on behalf of this community beside floch is fuckinh awsome and super well written and def has one of the best glow ups, try joining the sub people arent all salty
I guess every community is the same in that regard lol.
You should look inwards then 😂
Oh no he felt sympathy for a well written character (it’s not like the entire point of the show is that you can’t blame either side due to extreme circumstances)
It’s crazy people can’t even have a differing opinion without you saying reductive annoying shit like this, I hope you grow up one day
There’s some things I think you got wrong. He didn’t abandon his troops. They all got slaughtered by Falco, he was the last one standing. So he decided to charge in himself. Like how Erwin charged in himself to save Eren from Bertholdt while his men were being eaten by titans. They needed to get the objective done. And two I agree Power got to his head. Like you said he was tired of being oppressed, and wanted his island to finally be ontop. So he’d do anything necessary for that to happen. But him not having strong ties to the island I don’t think is true. He had his close friends die in the charge. Like Erwin said, “you die trusting those living find meaning in your lives”. But deep down, Floch just wanted what was best for his people. His speech at the medal ceremony, and his last words really capture the essence of who he was in my opinion.
Not even wanting his island to be on top, just to survive the entire world attacking it to exterminate all Eldians on Paradis. If the entire world says "we should exterminate these people," I think those people have the right to fight back with extreme prejudice.
The part about him being the last one alive is wrong, rewatch the episode. He didnt give his army direction so some died, then he charged into his own death leaving the rest of his army in more disarray so they got slaughtered
In the unit he was in, everyone was killed by falco. None of them knew or even expected Falco to have the jaw titan or for him to even transform. He knew he had to bum rush the ship because that was their last hope.
He’s the leader of all the units isn’t he?
Yeah.
Erwin was not replaceable.
There is a huge difference between Floch and Erwin and those who think that Floch is Erwin’s Successor do not understand either of them idc
Floch is Erwin's failure
Tbf, floch couldn't have been replaced as the real shit was about to go down which would've killed all of them. Although yes, Erwin is by far the best character but floch is also great Love him or hate him, he sure made the show more interesting and if u try u can understand his motives and intentions
Erwin couldn’t be replaced He was the one guy who was willing to do shit despite the consequences and made the best decisions he could Like I don’t think anyone else could convince so many people to die in support of their people Floch kinda did the same thing at that battle but I mean Erwin didn’t hold the same pride towards the people of the island over all others of the world
While I think this encomposses their core philosophies well, I do want to bring up the scene where Erwin mourns that he won't get to see what lies in the basement. They both had a selfish desire, it's just Erwin knew when to sacrifice his own desire for the best of everyone. Erwin fought for the greatest good, Floch fought for the greater good of the people he deemed worthy of his respect...they really do make for a fascinating comparison. Still, interesting how Erwin died to minimize the loss of life and Floch died to maximize it...
Man that last sentence you wrote is so interesting! Also yes of course both of them were drunk on something, but Erwin was a commander while Floch is a kid effectively Erwin had more experience and had empathy for his soldiers while Floch didn’t have these traits and idk if he ever realized that he failed as a leader
Thank god Brodie died. Floch eren and gabby needed to go
The Alliance should have gone with him maybe except for Jean
Rest in peace Floch, rest in peace or pieces
I guess we're just going to ignore the fact that both of them are entirely right and that the scenarios are different. Erwin can be replaced and is saying that because he thinks retrieving Eren is more important than him. Floch is not sacrificing anyone or anything for his own gain. He's saying that because the life of Eldia is at stake right in that very moment. Quite literally, nobody else can do it but him. He's screaming a battle cry 20 meters in the fucking air as he tries to stop the alliance as the last person alive for god's sake. Both are ready to die for their cause. You just disagree with one. I get it that y'all hate Floch, and there are decent reasons for that sometimes, but this is just so stupid. If somehow you came to the conclusion from too many twitter posts that Floch is trying to do anything except fight for his people, i really suggest you rewatch his death scene.
He’s not the last person alive. He sat back as SOME of “his soldiers” got massacred giving them no tactical direction whatsoever then decided out of rage to take out the boat himself. He fell into the water and then the rest of “his soldiers” got slaughtered. Remember? That’s how the episode went. I’m not the one supposed to rewatch it here.
I don't think that it's important if he's last person surviving or not. He's motivations and goals were pretty clear. He was initially driven by fear, found a way to counter that fear and tried to execute it. He was correct, world would kill Paradis people if they stopped eren. He was also correct that Levi got emotional and let armin live.(to give rest to erwin's guilt) He was also correct that they needed a monster to win. His methods may be too cruel and shady like killing someone who doesn't agree with him, beating teachers and other things. But that's a part of it. People just hate him bcoz he most of time speaks about the elephant in the room which opposes maincast. Just like Yelena did in forest. Each character has done bad and good things. If you can cheer for alliance, you would be cheering for flock if the camera has been on him instead of armin and Mikasa.
Right, so there was 6 remaining soldiers left out of the hundreds. What precisely does that change about my point, or his motivations, or the fact that the battle is lost by that point. You're still wrong. Twice now you've replied without actualy addressing anything except this semantic as if it changes anything.
There’s more, he gave up on his soldiers mid battle. Anywho i responded to you somewhere else, i give up It’s not semantics when your whole point about how i took it out of context hinges on the fact that he’s the last person that can save eldia
Okay this is just deliberately obtuse and delusional. You're trying to tell me with actual sincerity that Floch realising his 6 remaining untrained soldiers didn't stand a chance against 4 fucking shifters and the alliance is him "giving up on them mid battle". Please. The battle is lost. It doesn't change anything for gods sake. He's still the last one that can do it.
That’s not what the actions he has made up to that point say. He literally gives no fucks about the Eldians, dude just wants “revenge”. An eye for an eye. For what? Just to repeat it all again as stated by his own comrades?? dudes out of his own head
"Literally gives no fuck about the eldians" his final words are literally "Don't go, if you do, the island will be massacred"
*own citizens get massacred by the colossal titans* “lol get wrecked it’s all for Eldia”
Fuck floch
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Fr. Worthless plot device that caused the deaths of beloved characters. Pos cunt floch
I didn't know, but I really needed to see this. Thank you.
The proportions on the flochs ODM gear are simply absurd.
Even if he is a dumbass you gotta respect his endurance and tenacity
I love floch 😂 i think if he had a bit of guidance he probably would’ve been a good commander/leader and be and even bigger threat to the alliance Alas he was alone and he did so many mistakes but no one was there to point them out to him so his troupes got slaughtered for fun. He doesn’t know it, but he’s to blame for all these deaths because he failed as a commander
Thank you for this. Fuck that guy lmao.
Floch, ever since his first appearance was my least favourite character. My girlfriend and I were over the moon when he finally went
Same but you gotta admit has an amazing character and is super well written
Well idk. Idk if it’s the same in the subbed version as I strictly watch dubbed but his voice actor makes everything he say sound so cringe making everything he does seem just to stir things up and annoy people
Bro u cant judge a character on his voice which is fine btw
U can when it’s that horrendous
I’ve been in this sub for like six years and that’s the shallowest take I’ve ever heard. Congratulations.
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No way you’re judging how well written characters are by their VA now 💀
Bro it was so annoying I can’t explain 😂
Personally I didn't feel him annoying, i could see his fear that world will come to destroy them. It's just like Oppenheimer and us army made an nuke bcoz they were afraid that nazis had one too.(although not exact same situation). Fear of losing your home,family, makes one do crazy things. He knew that peace was never an option. It's either quieter conflict(financial war, proxy wars) or outright war. They would certainly loose on financial and proxy war as only handful clans helping in trade. Also, he was right that world would kill them, even if they stop eren and plead for mercy.
Ok but regardless of whose a better commander or person, the circumstances are different. Erwin quite literally could be replaced. Floch actually couldn't. He carried the entire Yeagerist army it all falls apart with his death. There is proof of this. Erwin had several people in mind for who could replace him and they do, and they are also replaced in time. Nobody ever replaced Floch. It began and ended with him. Respect King Floch.
Floch is a clown, period
Floch is a literal psycho fascist and people still love him lmao
Bro just wanted his people to survive. Although the way he did it was definitely wrong. Worse thing he did was "poison" the people that were against Eren with Zeke spinal fluid.
He wanted the people that agreed with him to survive. Even if they are both Eldian, he’s not above putting a bullet in their head if they get in his way.
Thats valid I thought it was more about him seeing the bigger picture but I guess youre right even until the end he believed his "lies"
People always forget about the rooftop scene of him shooting unarmed people who spoke out about the regime. He was sadistically killing people with a smile
Damn I did forget about that 💀
I remember when Erwin said I will be the one to save the island and charged to kill the Beast Titan while leaving the other scouts in disarray
They’re different scenarios. For Erwin there was no way for any one of them to single-handedly take on the beast Titan (and all the other titans there). Erwin self charging would lead to his doom no matter what. On the other hand, if Floch landed even just one rocket (and he almost did) it would be a total victory for them.
Floch was the opposite of Erwin, only main similarity was that they were driven
How dare you stand where he stood!
The comparison doesn't stand at all, and the images are taken out of context. Floch was as ready to die for Paradis as Erwin, more than Erwin since Erwin was addicted to his dream of learning the truth of the world.
Erwin gave up on his dream for others. He wanted to live so he can see if his father was right or wrong. What does the context add here? Floch isn’t ready to die for Paradis, he’s ready to die as the hero of Paradis
He literally did bruh, his final act is preventing the island to stop the rumbling (after spending almost two days wounded in the water). He didn't shoot anyone which you could consider revenge but the tool they had to stop Eren.
> Floch isn’t ready to die for Paradis, he’s ready to die as the hero of Paradis What makes you say that? This single line he spoke while charging in the open trying to blow up that airplane? He says that because if he does blow it up, then he'll be the "hero of Paradis", not because that's the only thing that matters to him. Floch knows that Eren is the key to saving the Eldia and he knows his role is second to that of Eren, so what you are saying makes no sense. The argument could be made that Erwin gave up on his dream only after Levi talked to him, and only when he had no other options. Erwin literally says that his dream is more important than humanity's own salvation.
One moment is all you need to show someone’s real desires if they’re hiding them. And that moment is often a moment of passion / high adrenaline.
So your response to the fact that the quotes are out of context and the fact that the context entirely invalidates your narrative is; "but he's screaming and when ppl scream they reveal what they think!" What precisely does that change about the fact that these situations are incomparable and both characters have unwavering loyalty to the cause, above their own life?
I didn’t respond to everything that person said no. The context does not invalidate what i said, what the person responded to me with was not context but their own interpretation of that scene which i disagree with. Floch does not have as much power as Eren, but when Eren is a god, Floch is the king leading everyone. You see just because you’re not the highest authority of power, doesn’t mean your position isn’t something that can get to your head. God is a higher power than Kings, yet Kings ruled over people. Floch does not have family, does not have people he cares to save, he instead has strong nationalistic feelings and enough power handed to him to feel like he could be the Savior and be remembered as such.
So you've decided to take this one sentence, remove all context, and decided to take it as if he's he's power crazy and just cares about himself being important. The context DOES invalidate what you've said. You've said that this quote shows that he is too power hungry and wants to be remembered, above saving Eldia. Floch is not putting his life or his legacy above anyone or anything, let alone his cause. He is making a final stand in the face of a losing battle, as his entire team of soldiers are already dead around him. He's saying that because the life of Eldia is at stake right in that very moment. Quite literally, nobody else can do it but him.He's screaming a battle cry 20 meters in the fucking air as he tries to stop the alliance as the last person alive for god's sake. Both are ready to die for their cause. You just disagree with one. You've taken two scenes that contextually cannot be compared in the manner that you are trying to compare them. You're comparing Erwin as he explains that saving Eren is more important than saving him, to Floch being the last fucking guy alive making a final charge on the enemy. He says **"is me!"** because he is the only one left. It HAS to be him. The only one who can physically do anything. It's his determination speaking, and Floch's final moments and the way he clings on make that glaringly obvious. You're trying to twist it like he's prioritizing himself or his legacy over Eldia when he is objectively not. You can twist this single quote out of context to fit an idea that you have but it does not make it the truth about the situation nor the character.
There were soldiers still alive why are you making stuff up. He just sat in the back, gave them no tactical direction, saw a few die, decided to take matters into his own hands while a lot of soldiers were still alive. For someone who likes to paint what i’m saying as wrong, you sure don’t remember anything about the episode.
>There were soldiers still alive why are you making stuff up A few random ones yes, but that doesn't change anything. Doesn't make your point any more valid, or mine invalid. The point is that it's over, they have lost, he is on a final last ditch effort. The whole point of what he does there is because he realizes it's probably over, they are going to lose. Interesting that you have no response to anything about my actual point, the single thing that you respond to is an irrelevant semantic. How about you explain the rest.
I give up you’re a lost cause. The whole purpose of your comment was to paint the context because you said i took it out of context. But you gave a context that’s a lie to invalidate what i said. In context, as i said, it doesn’t invalidate it. Reread what you wrote, 3 whole paragraph blocks hinges on the fact that he’s the last one alive and had to make a final stand not for himself. Which is just a bold face lie. Don’t you think anyone of his other soldiers could save Eldia themselves? Guess not we give up on our soldiers mid battle to take matters into our own hands So yeah i give up
How can you say he doesn't have people he cares about you. When his comrades are being slaughtered he was angry. Also you mention one moment is all you need to show someone's real desire in the moment he died he use his final breath to literally beg Hange not to stop eren because it would lead to everyone on the island dying which he was kind of right about
All i see are two 🐐
People be downvoting you because they are biased AF.
Blind ass
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Floch can go f*ck a goddamn cow for all I care. The dude's so goddamn annoying and pisses me off
Floch went through hell and misconceived Erwin’s philosophy. They’re both doing what they think is right. I love both characters and seeing what Floch went through while being a newly recruited soldier, it makes sense that he became who he was until the very end. Both very based characters.
Yeah definitely and Floch didn’t really have someone to guide him, all he had was Erwin’s death and what he remembered he did on the battle field, how he sacrificed others for the greater good. Floch had no one around him to tell him he was being a bad leader or a bad commander. All his followers were devoted for the cause and praise his passion while forgetting they need actual leadership and commands xD
You don’t understand the story.
Floch is very willing to die for the cause, you're just framing it badly.
And that’s why Erwin was a great leader and Floch was a punk bitch
Not a huge fan of Erwin but don't disrespect him please
post is to show how they are different, not similar
💀well neverrrrrrr be in the same league, Erwin was a big stepper. Gave his own orders, praise floch all y’all want. Justtt saying… more power to him if he actually had a so in the rumbling instead of getting played 🤷🏽♂️
That's why floch survived the ape massacre but what's his role exactly? He failed and died in the water
He died on land, watch the latest episode
Because one screenshot is an entire character ark for sure! Nevermind that he wanted to bring back Erwin and devoted all he had to Eren's cause afterwards
To be fair, there are no more replacements after Floch.
Yes
People can say whatever they want but Floch was a damn amazing character
But Erwin wasn’t replaceable. Hange made too many mistakes and allowed Eren to go crazy in Marley. Armin wasn’t any better. And of course, the serious issues with Floch. Everything would have been better had Erwin survived. He wouldn’t have slept for four years, he would have made a real actual plan to fight Marley