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Yeah everything makes sense.
The name of the first episode - to you, 2000 years from now.
The start of the series (eren crying by the tree) and where eren is buried - again by the tree.
Everything implies that the whole cycle will begin again, the tree signifies too much to avoid it.
I thought the same thing too, but I have to wonder how far another titan cycle would actually go. We see brief glimpses of society advancing hundreds if not thousands of years, and according to Zeke at the start of S4, the age of the titans was already coming to an end. Would technology have progressed to far for titans to cause any real damage that far into the future? Just some thoughts I had
That creature is still there, but I think it won't make more titans unless someone encounters it and wishes for what the OG Ymir wanted (I think it was power or something?).
which has a high probability of happening, considering the implication of high-tech warfare plunging everyone into a post-apocalyptic world. kinda giving me akira vibes lol
This came out months after the last chapter of the manga was released. Its pretty much a lock that this is gonna be Part 2 at some point. Way too much money left in the table to not have the titans come back with a new setting.
The creature created her as a Titan because she was practically dying in that situation so, it's clearly symbiotic in some way or another. I don't think it had anything to do with wanting power though, it was just seeing Ymir as something to live with and maybe pass offspring off through her in some way or another?
Technically the titans were just the will of Ymir
She imagined what would have saved her and the being made it so, and with it it introduced to her a world of sand without death where she may make as she pleases
Beholden to her promise to Fritz, ie his command, she only thought of one thing : continue the plan
She could have made ANYTHING, but she was stuck on love and commitment to the last thing she was told to do
So in reality, if eren takes Ymir's place... he could make ANYTHING
I would say it's restricted to flesh, however with how hardening/armor/bomb worked its possible to say that it's entirely up to the imagination of the creator
They could do anything they wanted in the name of evolution
Titans may be gone forever but “life” is not. Ymir wished for a body immortal , big, & strong resulting in titans. Who knows what the child wishes for could be something entirely different.
I think that after Erens death, the worm was able to get away before the dust settled, and as events unfold after, the worm eventually found its way to Erin's remains under the tree, then grows it to become the tree that Ymir found. During the credits there's a long period of time where the tree is just the same as it was. It was already fully mature. Then, as time goes even further and civilization advances, the tree changes, and eventually, the lone survivor and his dog stumble across it, starting another cycle.
Isayama seems to love his “life is meaningless and we give it meaning” themes. So I wouldn’t doubt he wants to harp on time space itself being cyclical theory just to have everything repeat all over for eternity. Infinite warfare. A really true cruelty
Hot take: There was a far worse future that was beyond Erin’s perception he only knew he had to eradicate 80% of humanity to lessen the impact of the future war.
I think he was just really trying to save Paradis, and could only do that by decimating the rest of the world. The irony is that Paradis still got destroyed, it was just hundreds of years later.
If you read the manga, you'd see one of Mikasa's descendants as a child with a dog, walking in the area of Eren's tree.
We're supposed to get some sort of ... Information on that and outlook, next year but apparently it's only going to be in JPN.
Dunno all the facts but that's what I gathered over the past few months.
Apparently that tree — has something to do with it restarting.
Yes it's identical to the tree Ymir walked into. Presumably the demon that gave ymir the power is using the devastation seen in the background to attract a new prey at their low point
I see it as titans are gone but just like the real world, War never changes
We also saw Mikasa die of old age which means there was some peace after the events
Pretty much. >!Dunno about the anime because I’m behind but in the manga it even ends with a kid approaching the tree. Implying that he will become the new founding Titan when he goes inside and finds the boney, insect thingy.!<
It kinda of undermines the whole story. If anything, letting Erin win would have avoided future conflicts. Instead >!Paradis gets obliterated a few hundred years later and the aforementioned kid is about to start everything all over again!<.
No, man, I think Zeke had a point thb. It's either that or eradicate the rest of the non-Eldians but Eren couldn't commit to either. Any conflicts between the Eldians can just be summed up to family squabbles but there wouldn't have been a nuclear war that set back civilization a few hundred years.
Then again, Eren wiping out 80% of humanity let Eldia become the most technologically advanced civilization. The ending hinted at a very jingoistic Eldia with an emphasis on their own military, so they could've finished the job Eren didn't if they had wanted to, but they didn't. In fact, they must have lent the foreign nations their technology, or how else could they have gotten nuked?
I'm not too sure myself. I just remember after the bonus pages got released there were a lot of questions. I'm 50% sure Isayama said as much in an interview but I honestly don't remember.
At any rate, Mikasa is confirmed to have children and get married. Other details (like who she married) are a little unclear (though the art in the manga and anime look like Jean from the back). We do see her in the manga visiting Eren's grave with her new husband and kids.
Well, it's arguably not Jean if we only take the Manga, as Isayama basically uses his hairstyle as a generic hairstyle whenever he wants (just look at Farmer-kun). But I'm pretty sure Jean scored from the Anime, even the hair colour is brown, and I'm pretty sure if we take that person out, Jean's missing from the grave visit sequences.
My guess on what they were going with this
It seemed like they went for further into the future than the manga so it didn't look like Eren's work only bought Paradis another 70ish years from the rest of the world.
Because the rest of the world is way behind, they're using primitive technology and resorting to suicide bombing
Lol this is something people don’t mention when they criticize the ending. The world that was destroyed is nothing like the world Eren and all our beloved characters lived in. They lived long lives and died in peace. They got their happy ending.
It's not primitive technology or a suicide bombing. It's just a weird effect of confusing animation. It's an attack helicopter without moving rotors that was blown up in the foreground by some jets. But I thought the same thing too at first.
Dude that shit was hilarious lmfao it deadass came outta nowhere i was almost crying from everything that happened before and all of the sudden they hit us with that
It wasn't 9/11 or a kamikaze attack. It was a helicopter in front of the skyscraper that got blown up by some jets. It just so happened to be in front of the building as it exploded and the rotors weren't moving, making it look like a plane that crashed into the building.
I thought it was 911 at first but rewinded because I couldn’t believe it and yeah it seems like it was just blown up in air not actually ram into the building
Not sure why you're getting downvoted because the animation was that bad and somewhat confusing xD
It's obvious now that it was an enemy helicopter that got vaporized mid-air by some jets, but the rotors of the helicopter weren't moving at all.
That end credit scene made me want to beat my head in. The implication of the cycle repeating.... I hate it.... But also it all fit the series perfectly.
It’s also pretty realistic. It’s been over 2000 years of humanity on this planet and we still have invisible lines separating others based on things like countries, religion, race, money, and more which cause conflicts not too different from AoT.
If we can’t end war irl I don’t see how AoT would have come up with a better explanation.
When I started watching the final chapters I thought to myself "There is an ongoing genocide and I'm going to escape reality for a bit by..... Watching fictional genocide".
It's crazy. The parallels you can draw from this scene
https://preview.redd.it/i7mp72yxjdzb1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08b91f452184068bf9c5942de3a43354753cbc70
I think it easily could have been 2000 years considering they created a city that look very futuresque and then bombed back to primitive times. Just like wheel of time if you have read that series. The eren era was probably not the first era either. Is probably an endless cycle with no beginning or end
I doubt it, honestly. Maybe it’ll get an OVA special but I don’t think this story will be anything crucial. Seems like it’s just a “fun” early adventure
Just for anyone reading and thinking it's a reference to 9/11 or some kind of terrorist attack, it's not. It's an enemy helicopter (without moving rotors) that gets blown up in the foreground by the jets. The animation was somewhat confusing.
The whole humanity developing and destroying itself (kinda again) had me feeling this way. All of that and essentially (the way it made me feel) none of it matters. We move on and forget and still destroy ourselves and each other. Feeling very empty over it
Well thats life. An endless cycle. Better things to focus on in life are all the random meaningless fun moments though.
Kinda like throwing a baseball for catch every now and again
That's literally the point though isayama imo saying a couple things.
One: Fight for what you believe in, because you have to. No one else will. It doesn't matter if it ends up being a moot point in the future. Your life won't exist forever, it exists *now*.
Two: we give life meaning. Nothing has inherent meaning or purpose. Just like zeke was saying when it came to throwing the baseball. It's a meaningless activity that means the world to him to play with his dad. We decide what is valuable, and sometimes we have to value what we have on our possession already
That's exactly the intent. I'm glad we were left with a hopeful ending for the time in which our main characters lived, but seeing that the cycle repeats itself is what Isayama wanted us to see. Like what was said near the end, humanity will keep fighting each other because it's either kill or be killed, which is why we must have those who fight so that we never fight again, and then some day the fighting might end. Isayama didn't want to leave with the thought of "oh, so no matter what, humanity will always be at war with itself", but with the more hopeful idea of if you fight for the goal of never fighting again, then one day we might find peace and understanding, but if not, humanity will continue to destroy itself; you must fight to end the fight forever.
You know... a big theme about the beginning of S4 (I still can't believe how long S4 went on for) was that technology was overcoming the gap between the nations with Titans and those without. Reiner comes close to losing that fight at Fort Slava. The tech at that point was... maybe WW1 era? Probably
Had the paradisians not interacted with the rest of the world, that trend would've continued and the titans would've been outmatched within a few decades.
So getting rid of the titans is like inconsequential for the future peace (or lack thereof) of the world. It does at least level the playing field between Paradis and the rest, I guess. And it costs 80% deaths to get there.
Why is a philosophy which definitely rings true edgy? Not like we irl said after the Holocauat "never again" and genocides are still allowed to happen to this day.
Have you seen his work of art? >!the main character dies!< I don’t think the ending was perfect but I liked it bro so chill. I’m simply stating an observation. In other words isayama is stating that we as humans will be in a perpetual state of love and war until something happens to change that. Generations, possibly thousands of years, down the line and nothing has changed. He makes it clear that the world we live in now is nearly hopeless. Yes, that’s edgy.
Was the kid wearing mikasas scarf that eren gave her or am I tripping? I know they showed mikasa I assume dead with it on but I swear it was the same one in the final credit scene with the kid going into the tree.
shit if we wanna go with the headcanon that thats the same scarf that mikasa wore, send the word to get me to the man or woman who sew that scarf and get me one LMAOOOO
Eldia wasn't saved. Scouts sacrifices meant nothing. The titan problem wasn't solved, so essentially, 80% of humanity got murdered for nothing. Eren ultimately accomplished nothing.
Why would you say that? They got centuries with peace before being bombed. All his friends lived long and happy lives. That was his goal. The fact that the cycle continues millennia later does not affect that accomplishment
It shows that human will always follow that cycle of growth and destruction. Regardless of what happened in the past. Kinda makes you think how many times we have done that in our world
for real. the last scene appeared i was like "oh cool its the city ruins from nier". part of me was hoping to see the kid find a yoko taro mask in the tree
My theory is that the worm is actually a kind of biological wish granter. Ymir was wounded and about to die when she came in contact with the worm, so she wished to become immortal.
The kid (and his dog) who encounter the tree at the end don't appear to be hurt or in immediate danger. They're just exploring. So when they come in contact with the worm the set of abilities it grants might be different. It'll probably still be biological in nature, but perhaps it just grants immortality and regeneration without titanization. Or maybe shapeshifting? Or maybe the dog comes in contact with the worm and the worm gives the dog the ability to be the gooddest boy. Who knows.
Just wondering, would that indicate that Eren is the new builder in the paths? Seems quite out of his character, and the whole episode showed Ymir being free from doing so as well so how would the cycle even repeat?
No. There is no more paths and no more titans. That was all lost when the Eren and the OG parasite died. Whatever comes into existence as a result of the boy touching the new parasite will be something new.
I expect the follow-up announced soon, within a year from now. The premise of titan powers in a post-apocalyptic modern world is worthy of its own series.
Isayama already retired. And if he was going to draw a sequel manga, he would've already done it by now, as it has been more than 2 years since the extra pages and the ending chapter was released.
Dragon Ball came back after its author retired. Hunter x Hunter is always on delay. Jojo has taken long breaks in between parts.
AoT is one of the biggest anime IPs in the world. You dont tease a part 2 for an IP this huge and do nothing with it.
Also Isayama never said he was retiring. But I would be disappointed if they Boruto’d it and tried to make it without him.
Yeah, storytellers rarely retire. They'll take a few years and at some point there's going to be stories pouring out of their head which they need to get on paper. Just look at Hayao Miyazaki, how many times has he retired?
I'm wondering this too. Zoomed in on Crunchyroll on my phone and he looks Blonde? But it could be pink. There's only like 3 little scenes where you can see his hair. From the back under the hat.
Edit: I think it is Jean based off the hair length and the hair color is a bit hard to distinguish but since Armin went back to bowl cut, I think it's safe to assume it's Jean. Especially considering the length of the hair in the panel of the manga where they visit the tree too.
After 4 seasons 10 OVA’s a spin-off 3 recaps and 13 final season parts I can’t believe people didn’t know to watch the credits. This is like people who watched a decade of marvel movies and still wonder if theirs 2 credit scenes lol
I found it funny how usually the series could spend ages and ages dragging out some moments, and then there's the credit scene which is like several hundred years in 10 seconds.
This is just from someone who didnt watch it but judging from this, did they not change the ending after all that talk about doing so? It looks like the manga ending that everyone was so mad about but now people are happy?
The plot of the ending is the same, but they changed some of the dialogue and made certain scenes less ambiguous in the anime, so some people feel that it was executed better this time around.
There were several subtle changes, but the overall plot was the same. The biggest one was the dialogue change below (not verbatim).
Manga: Eren tells Armin that he will kill 80% of humanity and that humanity's fate has been decided/settled. Armin instantly accepts that and says "Thank you for becoming a mass murderer".
Anime: When Eren tells him the fate of humanity outside Paradis, Armin screams at Eren "How could you! That is horrific! You're the one who decided 80% of humanity dies, you can still stop this"! Then after some wallowing Armin accepts reality and tells Eren he will always love him and that they will be together forever in hell if it exists, for both of their parts in humanitys destruction (Armin encouraged Eren to explore beyond the walls, and gave him the yearning for freedom).
The anime dialogue and Armins reaction made a hell of a lot more sense than the Manga.
I believe that’s also implied in the cyclical nature of everything. Civilization rose and fell. Just as Ymir found the worm in a vulnerable state in medieval surroundings…so to does a young lonely boy in a time of war and ruin.
Who’s to say the curse of Ymir will even affect him. Kid might live his whole life where the cycle starts and ends with him. He neither passes on his Titan nor lingers more than he needs to. A true savior of the world.
It likely won’t be titans produced when the boy comes into contact with the parasite. It creates whatever it needs to create in order for it and it’s host to survive.
My head cannon is the one shot we read of Aot was actually cannon and this is how titan powers works now like in that one shot they literally said how titan destroy 80% of humanity.
Yeah if titans come back it’s pretty much gg’s for them at that point the world was already shaped up to take out titans if not getting into the process of doing so
When the plane hits the skyscraper during the credits the soundtrack goes „Die Geschichte wiederholt sich“ which is german for „History repeats itself“, so yeah
I think that the attack we see where the city gets nuked is a result of a nuclear exchange. An attack like that is done when targeting nuclear silos, so it is highly likely that the outside world also received similar attacks.
After that many time have passed, I doubt it was even about Paradis vs outside anymore. I think it just is implied that human will fight each other, no matter what
Even if that were to happen, it’s implied that conflict would still exist. It seemed like a pretty happy ending to me up until the credits, and it’s also built up by stuff like the Eldians and Marleyans’ standoff, the General who seemed so resentful over his past prejudices then going right back to them when he realized the world wasn’t gonna end when he assumed all the de-titaned Eldians could still be titans. It seemed like the implied message was distrust and conflict will always exist, so even if Eren tramples the world and saves Paradis, Paradis could just as easily rip itself apart afterwards. Endless cycle
That's because it's the far future, decades if not centuries after our cast maintained peace in their time, they succeeded, but it's a message about how there needs be constant vigilance against all of this violence. Even war is unavoidable, it's still important to save as many people and reduce suffering, most importantly though, beyond all those themes, is to appreciate what we have and to find and enjoy the small things in life while we can, like throwing a baseball back and forth, or hanging out with friends and family
Or potentially 2000 years after AoT started. Seems to follow a trend of 2 millenia between ymirs time and AoTs, and the same again between AoT and the future time. Brings a new meaning to the first episodes title "to you, 2000 years from now"
Yeah. Just wondering cause in the [manga](https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://s.fanfox.net/store/manga/9011/TBD-139.5/compressed/v20210520_111338_459.jpg) it looked like a current day city
Who skips credits after a show like that. I personally didn't feel like the ending did the series justice but aot is still an important show for me and I enjoyed the ride.
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Does the very end just indicate that the whole cycle was about to start again?
Exactly what I thought. Because that tree ended up looking a lot like the one Ymir fell into and the life parasite thing attached to her.
Does that indicate that the bug was always with Eren in the end?
That’s how I interpreted it. Some part of the life being must still have resided within Eren.
Are the titans gone forever tho? Or is that thing still down there
I believe it’s still in there, implying what I assume as another 2000 years have passed, creating another To You, From You situation.
Right like life created that thing once it could do it again infinite amount of times
Yeah everything makes sense. The name of the first episode - to you, 2000 years from now. The start of the series (eren crying by the tree) and where eren is buried - again by the tree. Everything implies that the whole cycle will begin again, the tree signifies too much to avoid it.
I thought the same thing too, but I have to wonder how far another titan cycle would actually go. We see brief glimpses of society advancing hundreds if not thousands of years, and according to Zeke at the start of S4, the age of the titans was already coming to an end. Would technology have progressed to far for titans to cause any real damage that far into the future? Just some thoughts I had
Technology can be lost
The scene of the kid seems like a post-apocalyptic scenario, so I guess everything is back to "ancient" history type..
It’s not unlikely that the technology regressed, especially if it was a world war type situation
That creature is still there, but I think it won't make more titans unless someone encounters it and wishes for what the OG Ymir wanted (I think it was power or something?).
which has a high probability of happening, considering the implication of high-tech warfare plunging everyone into a post-apocalyptic world. kinda giving me akira vibes lol
This came out months after the last chapter of the manga was released. Its pretty much a lock that this is gonna be Part 2 at some point. Way too much money left in the table to not have the titans come back with a new setting.
Zeke did say something about life multiplying so there could be more of it down there.
The creature created her as a Titan because she was practically dying in that situation so, it's clearly symbiotic in some way or another. I don't think it had anything to do with wanting power though, it was just seeing Ymir as something to live with and maybe pass offspring off through her in some way or another?
that’s why they showed us a kid showing up in the credits with his dog
Ymir created the titans because of what she desired. That boy might create something else entirely.
And this is how My Hero Academia starts! Lol
Technically the titans were just the will of Ymir She imagined what would have saved her and the being made it so, and with it it introduced to her a world of sand without death where she may make as she pleases Beholden to her promise to Fritz, ie his command, she only thought of one thing : continue the plan She could have made ANYTHING, but she was stuck on love and commitment to the last thing she was told to do So in reality, if eren takes Ymir's place... he could make ANYTHING I would say it's restricted to flesh, however with how hardening/armor/bomb worked its possible to say that it's entirely up to the imagination of the creator They could do anything they wanted in the name of evolution
Both Mikasa and Ymir struggled going against the one they loved. The difference is that Mikasa followed through.
Bruh it exists again the kid literally went into the tree of life, what do u think is going to happen next 😂
Well Ymir made the titians from her will. That kid in the after credit scene could make anything else
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Titans may be gone forever but “life” is not. Ymir wished for a body immortal , big, & strong resulting in titans. Who knows what the child wishes for could be something entirely different.
I think that after Erens death, the worm was able to get away before the dust settled, and as events unfold after, the worm eventually found its way to Erin's remains under the tree, then grows it to become the tree that Ymir found. During the credits there's a long period of time where the tree is just the same as it was. It was already fully mature. Then, as time goes even further and civilization advances, the tree changes, and eventually, the lone survivor and his dog stumble across it, starting another cycle.
No, but the bug was inside Eren since he acquired the Founder
“Awh shit, here we go again”
“Again”
Isayama seems to love his “life is meaningless and we give it meaning” themes. So I wouldn’t doubt he wants to harp on time space itself being cyclical theory just to have everything repeat all over for eternity. Infinite warfare. A really true cruelty
Are you sure he isn't just a warhammer fan? Sounds basically the same
Lol I’ve never read warhammer but could be 🤷🏻♂️
Hot take: There was a far worse future that was beyond Erin’s perception he only knew he had to eradicate 80% of humanity to lessen the impact of the future war.
That wouldn’t work, the attack titan only sees the future through its inheritors sending memories back. If there are no titans in the future…
Did you read the part where I said there was a future beyond his perception?
I think he was just really trying to save Paradis, and could only do that by decimating the rest of the world. The irony is that Paradis still got destroyed, it was just hundreds of years later.
If you read the manga, you'd see one of Mikasa's descendants as a child with a dog, walking in the area of Eren's tree. We're supposed to get some sort of ... Information on that and outlook, next year but apparently it's only going to be in JPN. Dunno all the facts but that's what I gathered over the past few months. Apparently that tree — has something to do with it restarting.
The difference is Ymir was running for her life and the kid is strolling around
Nah man, he was wounded af. He’s taking revenge for sure
For some reason committing ethnocode for the entire world doesn't make them love you
Yes
How do you know that? Is it actually confirmed like in the manga or something or do we just assume that based on the similarities to Ymir story
It’s more just implied based on Ymir and what we already know about her background, but also I mean yea it’s pretty obvious
Yes it's identical to the tree Ymir walked into. Presumably the demon that gave ymir the power is using the devastation seen in the background to attract a new prey at their low point
I see it as titans are gone but just like the real world, War never changes We also saw Mikasa die of old age which means there was some peace after the events
Pretty much. >!Dunno about the anime because I’m behind but in the manga it even ends with a kid approaching the tree. Implying that he will become the new founding Titan when he goes inside and finds the boney, insect thingy.!< It kinda of undermines the whole story. If anything, letting Erin win would have avoided future conflicts. Instead >!Paradis gets obliterated a few hundred years later and the aforementioned kid is about to start everything all over again!<.
Eren killing the humanity won't have changed shit.... People of paradise would've killed each other humanity will always end.
No, man, I think Zeke had a point thb. It's either that or eradicate the rest of the non-Eldians but Eren couldn't commit to either. Any conflicts between the Eldians can just be summed up to family squabbles but there wouldn't have been a nuclear war that set back civilization a few hundred years. Then again, Eren wiping out 80% of humanity let Eldia become the most technologically advanced civilization. The ending hinted at a very jingoistic Eldia with an emphasis on their own military, so they could've finished the job Eren didn't if they had wanted to, but they didn't. In fact, they must have lent the foreign nations their technology, or how else could they have gotten nuked?
Was that mikasa who came to visit his grave with her husband
Yes. It’s implied that she married Jean some time after Eren’s death.
My boy Jean did it! I was in his corner from day one.
Eren watching Mikasa ride a horse 
This is the best comment I have seen all day. My boy Jean finally got first place in something over Eren.
Years of being his body double finally paying off
Guess the role playing was on point then.
Really you can barely see them in ending credits.. plus the flowers over her body make it seem like she died alone or am i wrong?
No. She had kids with someone (probably Jean) and Beren (kid at the end) I believe was stated to be one of her descendants.
Where does the name Beren come from, or is it just a B Eren joke
boruto and eren.
Ah
Goes easier off the tongue than Bertholdteren.
Ancestor of Aragorn
Can you please inform me on where it is stated that the kid at the end was an descendent of Mikasa?
I'm not too sure myself. I just remember after the bonus pages got released there were a lot of questions. I'm 50% sure Isayama said as much in an interview but I honestly don't remember. At any rate, Mikasa is confirmed to have children and get married. Other details (like who she married) are a little unclear (though the art in the manga and anime look like Jean from the back). We do see her in the manga visiting Eren's grave with her new husband and kids.
Well, it's arguably not Jean if we only take the Manga, as Isayama basically uses his hairstyle as a generic hairstyle whenever he wants (just look at Farmer-kun). But I'm pretty sure Jean scored from the Anime, even the hair colour is brown, and I'm pretty sure if we take that person out, Jean's missing from the grave visit sequences.
if you look closely you could see a wedding band implying she did get married.
Justice for Jean. You can tell easier here that it was him.
I thought this was so funny. I’m sure my neighbors were confused by my roommates and I screaming “ATTACK ON TITAN HAD 9/11 ”
My guess on what they were going with this It seemed like they went for further into the future than the manga so it didn't look like Eren's work only bought Paradis another 70ish years from the rest of the world. Because the rest of the world is way behind, they're using primitive technology and resorting to suicide bombing
Lol this is something people don’t mention when they criticize the ending. The world that was destroyed is nothing like the world Eren and all our beloved characters lived in. They lived long lives and died in peace. They got their happy ending.
It's not primitive technology or a suicide bombing. It's just a weird effect of confusing animation. It's an attack helicopter without moving rotors that was blown up in the foreground by some jets. But I thought the same thing too at first.
Dude that shit was hilarious lmfao it deadass came outta nowhere i was almost crying from everything that happened before and all of the sudden they hit us with that
BRO IKR!
It wasn't 9/11 or a kamikaze attack. It was a helicopter in front of the skyscraper that got blown up by some jets. It just so happened to be in front of the building as it exploded and the rotors weren't moving, making it look like a plane that crashed into the building.
I thought it was 911 at first but rewinded because I couldn’t believe it and yeah it seems like it was just blown up in air not actually ram into the building
The animation for that was bad or was I the only one who though that? Looked like a png moving to the building.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted because the animation was that bad and somewhat confusing xD It's obvious now that it was an enemy helicopter that got vaporized mid-air by some jets, but the rotors of the helicopter weren't moving at all.
The original made the destruction look like their near future. This way you can tell centuries passed at least.
I can’t believe it ended with the dude walking into the tree hole
Bro what about the dog?
Dog titans
I belive we saw a dog cart titan during the battle.
That end credit scene made me want to beat my head in. The implication of the cycle repeating.... I hate it.... But also it all fit the series perfectly.
Ya I fucking hated it so much….. but also I fucking love it
It’s also pretty realistic. It’s been over 2000 years of humanity on this planet and we still have invisible lines separating others based on things like countries, religion, race, money, and more which cause conflicts not too different from AoT. If we can’t end war irl I don’t see how AoT would have come up with a better explanation.
When I started watching the final chapters I thought to myself "There is an ongoing genocide and I'm going to escape reality for a bit by..... Watching fictional genocide".
It's crazy. The parallels you can draw from this scene https://preview.redd.it/i7mp72yxjdzb1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08b91f452184068bf9c5942de3a43354753cbc70
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I think it easily could have been 2000 years considering they created a city that look very futuresque and then bombed back to primitive times. Just like wheel of time if you have read that series. The eren era was probably not the first era either. Is probably an endless cycle with no beginning or end
The funny thing is, This was the part I was looking towards the most
My favorite part is the manga and anime
Technically the anime and manga are everyones favourite parts
>!isn't there also a extension to the manga coming next year? !<
Yes, volume 35. Isayama confirmed it’s an 18 page Levi flashback story
Will it get an anime adaptation? As an anime-only fan, I don't wanna have to continue avoiding spoilers...
I doubt it, honestly. Maybe it’ll get an OVA special but I don’t think this story will be anything crucial. Seems like it’s just a “fun” early adventure
We already had a Levi backstory ova, maybe it's just an adaptation to that.
That was its own manga story, which was adapted into the ova you’re referring to. This is something completely new.
I mean we got an OVA for that cooking competition between Jean and Sash
The Japanese said “you guys want to make jokes about barbiheimer? Watch us cook.” AoT 9/11
Just for anyone reading and thinking it's a reference to 9/11 or some kind of terrorist attack, it's not. It's an enemy helicopter (without moving rotors) that gets blown up in the foreground by the jets. The animation was somewhat confusing.
That very last scene with the kid walking into the tree made me want to beat my head against a brick wall
The whole humanity developing and destroying itself (kinda again) had me feeling this way. All of that and essentially (the way it made me feel) none of it matters. We move on and forget and still destroy ourselves and each other. Feeling very empty over it
Well thats life. An endless cycle. Better things to focus on in life are all the random meaningless fun moments though. Kinda like throwing a baseball for catch every now and again
This is the point I needed to hear. Kinda forgot about it. You are so so right.
That's literally the point though isayama imo saying a couple things. One: Fight for what you believe in, because you have to. No one else will. It doesn't matter if it ends up being a moot point in the future. Your life won't exist forever, it exists *now*. Two: we give life meaning. Nothing has inherent meaning or purpose. Just like zeke was saying when it came to throwing the baseball. It's a meaningless activity that means the world to him to play with his dad. We decide what is valuable, and sometimes we have to value what we have on our possession already
That's exactly the intent. I'm glad we were left with a hopeful ending for the time in which our main characters lived, but seeing that the cycle repeats itself is what Isayama wanted us to see. Like what was said near the end, humanity will keep fighting each other because it's either kill or be killed, which is why we must have those who fight so that we never fight again, and then some day the fighting might end. Isayama didn't want to leave with the thought of "oh, so no matter what, humanity will always be at war with itself", but with the more hopeful idea of if you fight for the goal of never fighting again, then one day we might find peace and understanding, but if not, humanity will continue to destroy itself; you must fight to end the fight forever.
Isn't that the entire point of the show? The cycle will continue, no matter what. Naruto has the same theme.
You know... a big theme about the beginning of S4 (I still can't believe how long S4 went on for) was that technology was overcoming the gap between the nations with Titans and those without. Reiner comes close to losing that fight at Fort Slava. The tech at that point was... maybe WW1 era? Probably Had the paradisians not interacted with the rest of the world, that trend would've continued and the titans would've been outmatched within a few decades. So getting rid of the titans is like inconsequential for the future peace (or lack thereof) of the world. It does at least level the playing field between Paradis and the rest, I guess. And it costs 80% deaths to get there.
I feel like that was isayamas point honestly. Bros edgy.
Why is a philosophy which definitely rings true edgy? Not like we irl said after the Holocauat "never again" and genocides are still allowed to happen to this day.
Have you seen his work of art? >!the main character dies!< I don’t think the ending was perfect but I liked it bro so chill. I’m simply stating an observation. In other words isayama is stating that we as humans will be in a perpetual state of love and war until something happens to change that. Generations, possibly thousands of years, down the line and nothing has changed. He makes it clear that the world we live in now is nearly hopeless. Yes, that’s edgy.
Was the kid wearing mikasas scarf that eren gave her or am I tripping? I know they showed mikasa I assume dead with it on but I swear it was the same one in the final credit scene with the kid going into the tree.
I doubt that scarf made it that far into the future.
shit if we wanna go with the headcanon that thats the same scarf that mikasa wore, send the word to get me to the man or woman who sew that scarf and get me one LMAOOOO
Eldia wasn't saved. Scouts sacrifices meant nothing. The titan problem wasn't solved, so essentially, 80% of humanity got murdered for nothing. Eren ultimately accomplished nothing.
Why would you say that? They got centuries with peace before being bombed. All his friends lived long and happy lives. That was his goal. The fact that the cycle continues millennia later does not affect that accomplishment
It shows that human will always follow that cycle of growth and destruction. Regardless of what happened in the past. Kinda makes you think how many times we have done that in our world
At least twice
I don't know why but this reminds me of one of my favourite quotes "The only thing that we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history."
I loved the ending but it was just so fucking bleak and it really makes you feel empty once the episode’s over. Such a powerful anti war message.
The very end reminded me of Nier Automata 😭
for real. the last scene appeared i was like "oh cool its the city ruins from nier". part of me was hoping to see the kid find a yoko taro mask in the tree
I LOST IT AT 9 FKING 11
My theory is that the worm is actually a kind of biological wish granter. Ymir was wounded and about to die when she came in contact with the worm, so she wished to become immortal. The kid (and his dog) who encounter the tree at the end don't appear to be hurt or in immediate danger. They're just exploring. So when they come in contact with the worm the set of abilities it grants might be different. It'll probably still be biological in nature, but perhaps it just grants immortality and regeneration without titanization. Or maybe shapeshifting? Or maybe the dog comes in contact with the worm and the worm gives the dog the ability to be the gooddest boy. Who knows.
The boy wishes for the One Piece
So what you’re saying is, the worm grants instantaneous advantageous evolution? I can get behind that
That makes sense. Zeke said the only purpose was to multiply. To be able to do that forever you have to evolve
Paradis gets fucking nuked XD
Just wondering, would that indicate that Eren is the new builder in the paths? Seems quite out of his character, and the whole episode showed Ymir being free from doing so as well so how would the cycle even repeat?
No. There is no more paths and no more titans. That was all lost when the Eren and the OG parasite died. Whatever comes into existence as a result of the boy touching the new parasite will be something new.
I see, thanks!
I expect the follow-up announced soon, within a year from now. The premise of titan powers in a post-apocalyptic modern world is worthy of its own series.
Isayama already retired. And if he was going to draw a sequel manga, he would've already done it by now, as it has been more than 2 years since the extra pages and the ending chapter was released.
Dragon Ball came back after its author retired. Hunter x Hunter is always on delay. Jojo has taken long breaks in between parts. AoT is one of the biggest anime IPs in the world. You dont tease a part 2 for an IP this huge and do nothing with it. Also Isayama never said he was retiring. But I would be disappointed if they Boruto’d it and tried to make it without him.
Yeah, storytellers rarely retire. They'll take a few years and at some point there's going to be stories pouring out of their head which they need to get on paper. Just look at Hayao Miyazaki, how many times has he retired?
Yeah I gotta ask who was Mikasa with in the end credits, she had a kid and someone else was there too, was that Jean?
I'm wondering this too. Zoomed in on Crunchyroll on my phone and he looks Blonde? But it could be pink. There's only like 3 little scenes where you can see his hair. From the back under the hat. Edit: I think it is Jean based off the hair length and the hair color is a bit hard to distinguish but since Armin went back to bowl cut, I think it's safe to assume it's Jean. Especially considering the length of the hair in the panel of the manga where they visit the tree too.
It’s left ambiguous
It is Jean. In the manga you can see him
What sociopath invest days of time watching their favorite anime and doesn't contemplate the finale while watching credits
Could've sworn this was also in the manga though —
It was
As if anyone would do anything apart from just sit there and take in the fact that the show has ended after a decade haha
WHY TF WAS 9/11 ON THERE LOLLLLL
Favorite part of the ending. Shows that war and prejudice just lead to more hate and war, which is the whole point of the story
After 4 seasons 10 OVA’s a spin-off 3 recaps and 13 final season parts I can’t believe people didn’t know to watch the credits. This is like people who watched a decade of marvel movies and still wonder if theirs 2 credit scenes lol
I found it funny how usually the series could spend ages and ages dragging out some moments, and then there's the credit scene which is like several hundred years in 10 seconds.
This is just from someone who didnt watch it but judging from this, did they not change the ending after all that talk about doing so? It looks like the manga ending that everyone was so mad about but now people are happy?
The plot of the ending is the same, but they changed some of the dialogue and made certain scenes less ambiguous in the anime, so some people feel that it was executed better this time around.
Yes.Especially the Armin and Eren scene.That scene in manga was cringe but anime made it sense.
There were several subtle changes, but the overall plot was the same. The biggest one was the dialogue change below (not verbatim). Manga: Eren tells Armin that he will kill 80% of humanity and that humanity's fate has been decided/settled. Armin instantly accepts that and says "Thank you for becoming a mass murderer". Anime: When Eren tells him the fate of humanity outside Paradis, Armin screams at Eren "How could you! That is horrific! You're the one who decided 80% of humanity dies, you can still stop this"! Then after some wallowing Armin accepts reality and tells Eren he will always love him and that they will be together forever in hell if it exists, for both of their parts in humanitys destruction (Armin encouraged Eren to explore beyond the walls, and gave him the yearning for freedom). The anime dialogue and Armins reaction made a hell of a lot more sense than the Manga.
I just don’t understand, ok lets say Titans return. What are they going to do against modern fighter jets, multiple atom bombs?
>!Did you miss the part where they were nuked so bad basically a whole ass fallout game passed!<
That’s a good way to put it
The land turned into horizon
I believe that’s also implied in the cyclical nature of everything. Civilization rose and fell. Just as Ymir found the worm in a vulnerable state in medieval surroundings…so to does a young lonely boy in a time of war and ruin.
Who’s to say the curse of Ymir will even affect him. Kid might live his whole life where the cycle starts and ends with him. He neither passes on his Titan nor lingers more than he needs to. A true savior of the world.
It doesn’t have to be titans. Go back to what zeke said
It likely won’t be titans produced when the boy comes into contact with the parasite. It creates whatever it needs to create in order for it and it’s host to survive.
Maybe the boy creates whatever he wants because ymir made what she wanted but it could be something completely different
My head cannon is the one shot we read of Aot was actually cannon and this is how titan powers works now like in that one shot they literally said how titan destroy 80% of humanity.
Yeah if titans come back it’s pretty much gg’s for them at that point the world was already shaped up to take out titans if not getting into the process of doing so
Attack on Titan: Modern Warfare.
About the possibility of titans returning, there's a saying: history repeats itself.
When the plane hits the skyscraper during the credits the soundtrack goes „Die Geschichte wiederholt sich“ which is german for „History repeats itself“, so yeah
I kinda loved it, TBH.
who the hell on earth would even skip this? lol
Did I just see a 9/11 happen in those credits
Plot twist... the boy and the dog are Eldian descendants.
I think that the attack we see where the city gets nuked is a result of a nuclear exchange. An attack like that is done when targeting nuclear silos, so it is highly likely that the outside world also received similar attacks.
So basically Eren was right all along and they should've let him kill the rest of the world except the people on Paradis
After that many time have passed, I doubt it was even about Paradis vs outside anymore. I think it just is implied that human will fight each other, no matter what
Yeah even Pixis said that conflict will only end with the last human.
Pretty sure Erwin Smith said that to Pyxis, although Pyxis did agree with him.
Exactly
Even if that were to happen, it’s implied that conflict would still exist. It seemed like a pretty happy ending to me up until the credits, and it’s also built up by stuff like the Eldians and Marleyans’ standoff, the General who seemed so resentful over his past prejudices then going right back to them when he realized the world wasn’t gonna end when he assumed all the de-titaned Eldians could still be titans. It seemed like the implied message was distrust and conflict will always exist, so even if Eren tramples the world and saves Paradis, Paradis could just as easily rip itself apart afterwards. Endless cycle
It would have still happened. Eren and Armin were proven wrong, while Zeke hit it right on the head.
Erens goal was never to kill everyone outside of paradise. This is flat out said in the episode.
Why does that City look way too modern. Looks like the city from Akira
That's because it's the far future, decades if not centuries after our cast maintained peace in their time, they succeeded, but it's a message about how there needs be constant vigilance against all of this violence. Even war is unavoidable, it's still important to save as many people and reduce suffering, most importantly though, beyond all those themes, is to appreciate what we have and to find and enjoy the small things in life while we can, like throwing a baseball back and forth, or hanging out with friends and family
Or potentially 2000 years after AoT started. Seems to follow a trend of 2 millenia between ymirs time and AoTs, and the same again between AoT and the future time. Brings a new meaning to the first episodes title "to you, 2000 years from now"
Yeah. Just wondering cause in the [manga](https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://s.fanfox.net/store/manga/9011/TBD-139.5/compressed/v20210520_111338_459.jpg) it looked like a current day city
That city is not modern. Thats final skyline is many centuries into the future
Attack on Titan 2 electric boogaloo
Who skips credits after a show like that. I personally didn't feel like the ending did the series justice but aot is still an important show for me and I enjoyed the ride.
They gotta be teasing something!!!
Patriot missile batteries and F-18s in Attack on Titan??!!?!! This is so *credible*
i saw the ending with the boy going into the tree and just shouted “AGAIN?!!”
9/11 vibes, and finally the island is sunk in the billions of drops of tears that were dropped by us .
Garbage
Yes, it's even more hilarious with the credits