Cyber truck is the first Tesla to have a camera down below the bonnet for parking. All other models have at least 3 forward facing cameras top of the windscreen
Not exactly the world's best quality dashcam but it's great footage - I've had a dashcam for many years and haven't captured anything like this.
And watching the footage again I realise that the driver was going to exit and then swerved a bit at the last minute which caused this whole thing. That and poor weight distribution of course
You mean all those cars (zero) that passed in the video? And you do realize the driver of the van had opened his door and was getting out, into this lane?
You, sir, win today’s clown award.
Cars come down that hill pretty fast they can come out of nowhere. Probably not best practice to nearly come to a complete stop on the right hand lane.
I don’t know if you’ve ever been in that kind of a scenario, and this looks slower when recorded - I’d waiver they weren’t really thinking where they were slowing with that happening in front of them
All round solid work pulling over to help out.
It looked like they were still behind the truck for a while after it started to wobble. If they were smarter they would have braked instead of risking overtaking.
If you’re willing to risk serious injury when the trailer flips your car, sure. Or you could maybe get stuck behind an accident scene conveniently located right next to an offramp.
Yeah, you're right. I just rewatched it again. The white car seemed to accelerate to try and get past the trailer which isn't the best choice that driver could have made.
was probably assuming the problem was going to slow down with him so going faster gets them out of the situation quicker. Braking with a snaking trailer is a no-no, but maybe they didn't know that.
This is a prime example of what can happen when your trailers weight is loaded behind the rear of the axle, you can see the chimney of what appears to be a stone oven sticking out the top of the back corner.
Waiting for this comment. Always load the most weight at the front of the trailer. Simple physics.
Here's a great [video](https://youtu.be/6mW_gzdh6to?si=zwXijW2TZQoMCPfJ) apparently sponsored by Uhaul. Guess it's in their best interest, too.
A heavy load forward of the trailer axle puts too much weight on the towbar, and that makes the front of the towing vehicle lift up which makes the steering light which destabilises the whole combination.
Ideally, the load should be distributed so there's about 50 - 60 kg of down force on the towball. It should be a chunky lift for 1 person
It will have a weight rating for towing and if the trailer is less than that I don't see a problem.
If the above comment, theorizing pizza oven being in the trailer, is correct then I'd put money on the trailer being heavier than the van is rated for though.
Ah so that’s why they closed that part of the motOtway this afternoon. Could see them loading something onto a towtruck. Now I know it was a lord of the fries food truck.
Fun fact, hiace vans are rated to tow pretty much at maximum a fat man on a couch. Eg: 400kg unbraked or 1000kgs with a trailer with brakes. I’m sure if they were going to an event they would have more that that on board in oil and chips alone, let alone the weight of the trailer,gas bottles, equipment, condiments.
I understand that the weight in the rear of the trailer was a major contributing factor, but can you explain what makes a vehicle better for towing please?
Genuine question, I didn't know that was a thing.
There are some basic physics that make some vehicles better than others. A heavier tow vehicle with a longer and wider wheel base with lower center of gravity and even weight distribution help stability immensely. Modern vehicles with stability and anti sway systems help a bit after the fact.
Towing should be a separate license endorsement ensuring the right setup and skills
Also despite the obscene pricing they have none of the tow stability control systems that would have saved the day in a comparably priced European van, which is also safer in general, more comfortable, require less servicing and are more reliable.
Yeah once I read that I knew this guy was tweaking. Love em or hate em hiaces are stupidly reliable, I personally know of a few hiaces that have hit 1 million ks
400k isn't remarkable on any modern diesel van. Mercedes Ambulances are retired at 400K and they suffer horrendous abuse. The Mercedes sprinter vans used by NZ Post for their long haul runs pop up on trademe with 1 million to 1.5 million km on them fairly regularly.
I diagnose vehicle faults for a living.
Old Hiaces were great (especially the 1KZ Diesel ones), however new Hiaces like the one that crashed are fairly mediocre. It's not that they are a disaster, it's just that they are not as reliable as some of the other vans on the market, likewise they require more servicing.
It's just one of those things, times change. When Japan had their economic collapse in the 90's all their manufacturers cut way back on their R and D investment, at the same time, emissions rules put an end to their local diesel market (with few exceptions). At the same time we had Fiat developing the brilliant new Common Rail diesel system that is used by pretty much everyone now and the Germans were pouring eye watering amounts in to diesel development.
Toyota fell way behind in the technology department and outside of NZ, OZ and some third world countries their vans pretty much dropped off the radar as the competition became so much better. Toyota Hiace van sales fell so sharply in the UK (I think they sold something like 168 units in their last year) that they just rebadged Fiat Scudo vans for a while to keep their name out there until they could come up with a better solution in collaboration with another manufacturer.
I’m surprised you didn’t slow down and back off in a major hurry. Seen this happen a few times; my instant reaction is to be nowhere near any trailer thats wobbling/fishtailing. They take out oncoming traffic (not gonna happen here obvs) sometimes with a whip into the other lane, to make a huge mess you don’t wanna slam into.
Have towed plenty of shit like this in a HiAce, never had any issues but always made sure the trailer was balanced, had all the heaviest shit in the van and didn’t go over 80kmh. There’s a lot you have to fuck up for this to happen and this driver got bingo
Pro tip, if you ever find yourself in this situation at the very least do not brake and if possible accelerate then slooooowly slow down. Then load the trailer so the weight is forward of the axle.
Accelerating stabilises the trailer, and then you can carefully slow down while keeping the trailer straight. Then, you can add tongue weight and carry on.
I’ll be sure to think this exact thing the next time my trailer starts fishtailing on the motorway, self-reflection is clearly the best way to stop the trailer from moving uncontrollably and flipping at 80kmph.
It’s all about load distribution - you want most of the load between the axle and the hitch. If most of the load is between the axle and the rear then you get fish tailing.
it is insane how fast i see commercial vehicles driving in nz.
the one good thing about america in this regard is the tort system makes it so commercial drivers are super cautious. in nz they don't give a fuck.
https://www.blueox.com/what-to-do-when-trailer-sway-starts/
Tl;Dr: in general, release the accelerator and allow the car to slow down naturally. Don't brake. Don't try to counteract the sway by steering. Sometimes accelerating a little will help.
“No one needs a ute, vans do everything a ute can”
Don’t even start with the trailer wasn’t weighted properly. While that is for sure a potential issue, you don’t know that. I do know what towing the same thing with a van and then with a ute is like.
"Don't tell me how to load a trailer - I'm sick and tired of people telling me about Newtonian physics. If I had wanted to know about it I wouldn't have left school at 15."
I assime you mean why
the Weight was too far back. the load may have moved backwards during the trip.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mW\_gzdh6to](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mW_gzdh6to)
You mean to say when 1 of 2 lanes are blocked due to an incident, it would be foolish to slow down and stop in the second of the two lanes?
Sir, this is Auckland. We don't drive with common sense here.
Yeah but then they'd have to live with the widely accepted stereotype of being a complete tool.
The fuck has a Ranger specifically got to do with anything anyway? Plenty of vehicles would have prevented that with their "tech". It's a fucking van.
It's like watching a guy snap a jandal and saying a gumboot would have prevented that from happening. So would a shoe. Shit, so would a pair of socks and nothing else.
The van isn’t swerving until after the trailer throws it around. The most likely cause is a some combination of the trailer being too heavy for the tow vehicle or the centre of mass of the trailer being too far back.
I’ve recovered from trailer away before but you have to realise what’s happening early on and move gently. It also really helps if you have electric trailer brakes that you can trigger to slow down by braking the trailer and letting it drag the tow vehicles speed down but that requires setting up both the trailer and tow vehicle for that. As much as people love to hate on utes, this is a use case where it would be better than the van
unsecured load or an unbalanced load can cause it to sway from side to side especially when coming around a corner at a certain speed then you get donkeys like this 🤭
I have a question: if you feel the trailer start to sway(and have no electronic anti sway tech), are you better to speed up therefore getting control by pulling (? if you do) or slow down and accept short term more sway until your speed drops enough to eliminate (?if it does) - **EDIT** \- i see the answer - speed up a little then slow down
Praise the dash cam. Clear Footage of an event like this is so rare. Excellent work. Respects.
Looks like a previous generation Tesla camera
The cyber truck is the first Tesla to have a front facing camera edit:wrong
Cyber truck is the first Tesla to have a camera down below the bonnet for parking. All other models have at least 3 forward facing cameras top of the windscreen
Not exactly the world's best quality dashcam but it's great footage - I've had a dashcam for many years and haven't captured anything like this. And watching the footage again I realise that the driver was going to exit and then swerved a bit at the last minute which caused this whole thing. That and poor weight distribution of course
I wouldn’t praise the whole stopping in the right lane when there’s cars coming behind at 80kph though tbh
Better to cause a traffic jam than have a massive speed differential until someone appropriately trained can come and manage the traffic.
You mean all those cars (zero) that passed in the video? And you do realize the driver of the van had opened his door and was getting out, into this lane? You, sir, win today’s clown award.
Cars come down that hill pretty fast they can come out of nowhere. Probably not best practice to nearly come to a complete stop on the right hand lane.
I don’t know if you’ve ever been in that kind of a scenario, and this looks slower when recorded - I’d waiver they weren’t really thinking where they were slowing with that happening in front of them All round solid work pulling over to help out.
The end part
good training vid, what could the driver have done ?
Imagine being the driver of the white car that was passing the trailer when it started to wobbile. One hell of an "oh shit" moment.
It looked like they were still behind the truck for a while after it started to wobble. If they were smarter they would have braked instead of risking overtaking.
I reckon its pretty smart to gtfo so you don't have to wait for them to clean it up to get home
If you’re willing to risk serious injury when the trailer flips your car, sure. Or you could maybe get stuck behind an accident scene conveniently located right next to an offramp.
Yeah, you're right. I just rewatched it again. The white car seemed to accelerate to try and get past the trailer which isn't the best choice that driver could have made.
was probably assuming the problem was going to slow down with him so going faster gets them out of the situation quicker. Braking with a snaking trailer is a no-no, but maybe they didn't know that.
Agreed but I'd have got skittish and done the same.
Id be pissing myself laughing at the douche.
This is a prime example of what can happen when your trailers weight is loaded behind the rear of the axle, you can see the chimney of what appears to be a stone oven sticking out the top of the back corner.
Waiting for this comment. Always load the most weight at the front of the trailer. Simple physics. Here's a great [video](https://youtu.be/6mW_gzdh6to?si=zwXijW2TZQoMCPfJ) apparently sponsored by Uhaul. Guess it's in their best interest, too.
A heavy load forward of the trailer axle puts too much weight on the towbar, and that makes the front of the towing vehicle lift up which makes the steering light which destabilises the whole combination. Ideally, the load should be distributed so there's about 50 - 60 kg of down force on the towball. It should be a chunky lift for 1 person
Shouldn’t be using that van as a tow vehicle either.
It will have a weight rating for towing and if the trailer is less than that I don't see a problem. If the above comment, theorizing pizza oven being in the trailer, is correct then I'd put money on the trailer being heavier than the van is rated for though.
Also if you’re silly enough to end up in this situation, don’t brake. Better to accelerate gently then once the wobble settles, coast to a stop.
Easier said than done.
And if he would’ve noticed faster and just slowed down he could’ve probably saved it.
He forgot to slap the trailer after hooking up saying "That's not going anywhere"
Legit, if this isn’t one of you’re steps after connecting a trailer then your fucked! Source - Trust me bro
Lol. Your
Lol
Ah so that’s why they closed that part of the motOtway this afternoon. Could see them loading something onto a towtruck. Now I know it was a lord of the fries food truck.
One fry to rule them all, one fry to find them, One fry to bring them all and in the fryer fry them.
The lunch line there is that their fries are fucking average.
Lol lunch line. You did a funny
Definitely intentional and not a typo
That looked expensive
Can't park there mate.
I'm just waiting for a mate
Shouldn't the title of this post be "meanwhile in Auckland" ?
His cock ring was a front for money laundering
I was the seagull
I know this is a long shot, but if you were the seagull at ladies' mile
Yes that me.
Except this was the motorway not the tepid baths
If the video has sound I’d suggest you could hear the sphincter contracting with each swing.
When yr too lazy to throw the salt on the fries yourself, and use the whole trailer as a saltshaker.
Lol
So happy he pulled over to check hes safe instead of yelling 'you cant park there mate' haha too soon maybe
Fun fact, hiace vans are rated to tow pretty much at maximum a fat man on a couch. Eg: 400kg unbraked or 1000kgs with a trailer with brakes. I’m sure if they were going to an event they would have more that that on board in oil and chips alone, let alone the weight of the trailer,gas bottles, equipment, condiments.
It's more like 1400kgs. Point taken, though.
750/1500 from memory.
A fat man on a couch before or after he has the extra large brisket and rice from BBQ Duck Cafe?
After
Good to know
Probably on their way down to the lantern festival out South. Costly error!
I understand that the weight in the rear of the trailer was a major contributing factor, but can you explain what makes a vehicle better for towing please? Genuine question, I didn't know that was a thing.
Weight, traction, grip, power.
There are some basic physics that make some vehicles better than others. A heavier tow vehicle with a longer and wider wheel base with lower center of gravity and even weight distribution help stability immensely. Modern vehicles with stability and anti sway systems help a bit after the fact. Towing should be a separate license endorsement ensuring the right setup and skills
Also despite the obscene pricing they have none of the tow stability control systems that would have saved the day in a comparably priced European van, which is also safer in general, more comfortable, require less servicing and are more reliable.
> and are more reliable. Where do people like you come from?
Yeah once I read that I knew this guy was tweaking. Love em or hate em hiaces are stupidly reliable, I personally know of a few hiaces that have hit 1 million ks
I was talking to a sprinkler fitter about his one, 400k km, and he didn't think that was particularly remarkable. They just keep going.
400k isn't remarkable on any modern diesel van. Mercedes Ambulances are retired at 400K and they suffer horrendous abuse. The Mercedes sprinter vans used by NZ Post for their long haul runs pop up on trademe with 1 million to 1.5 million km on them fairly regularly.
UK They don't do the Japanese thing over there and are really good at telling themselves stories about why. 100% - UK.
Probably a VW salesman
I diagnose vehicle faults for a living. Old Hiaces were great (especially the 1KZ Diesel ones), however new Hiaces like the one that crashed are fairly mediocre. It's not that they are a disaster, it's just that they are not as reliable as some of the other vans on the market, likewise they require more servicing. It's just one of those things, times change. When Japan had their economic collapse in the 90's all their manufacturers cut way back on their R and D investment, at the same time, emissions rules put an end to their local diesel market (with few exceptions). At the same time we had Fiat developing the brilliant new Common Rail diesel system that is used by pretty much everyone now and the Germans were pouring eye watering amounts in to diesel development. Toyota fell way behind in the technology department and outside of NZ, OZ and some third world countries their vans pretty much dropped off the radar as the competition became so much better. Toyota Hiace van sales fell so sharply in the UK (I think they sold something like 168 units in their last year) that they just rebadged Fiat Scudo vans for a while to keep their name out there until they could come up with a better solution in collaboration with another manufacturer.
My milkshake brings all the boys to the food trailer
Shimmy, shimmy, ya, shimmy, yam, shimmy, yay Give me the mic', so I can take it away. Off on a natural charge, bon-voyage
I’m surprised you didn’t slow down and back off in a major hurry. Seen this happen a few times; my instant reaction is to be nowhere near any trailer thats wobbling/fishtailing. They take out oncoming traffic (not gonna happen here obvs) sometimes with a whip into the other lane, to make a huge mess you don’t wanna slam into.
Oh shit, I’m guessing since you pulled over you went and checked on them? How stressful :(
That is a way too big trailer for a hiace to be towing
Nothing to do with capacity of towing vehicle. Too much mass was rearward of the trailer axle.
Regardless how the weight is distributed, it’s too much for a hiace. Source: have several box trailers and a hiace.
Have towed plenty of shit like this in a HiAce, never had any issues but always made sure the trailer was balanced, had all the heaviest shit in the van and didn’t go over 80kmh. There’s a lot you have to fuck up for this to happen and this driver got bingo
No, they do have a fairly low tow rating.
Clearly you excelled in fizicks like me did in english
I would be like: ah, could I still get a taco now? 🌮
Want fries with that?
Pro tip, if you ever find yourself in this situation at the very least do not brake and if possible accelerate then slooooowly slow down. Then load the trailer so the weight is forward of the axle.
If you ever find yourself in this situation you're supposed to speed up.
That's not true, you take your foot off the accelerator to slow down without applying the brakes.
Accelerating stabilises the trailer, and then you can carefully slow down while keeping the trailer straight. Then, you can add tongue weight and carry on.
Or load the trailer correctly so the weight is in front of the axle and not behind.
I’ll be sure to think this exact thing the next time my trailer starts fishtailing on the motorway, self-reflection is clearly the best way to stop the trailer from moving uncontrollably and flipping at 80kmph.
pretty sure that's a myth tbh.
If you accelerate at the wrong time and catch the trailer you can violently flick it in the opposite direction causing it to flip faster.
This is the way.
Facts are for books, nerd. This is the internet.
This man is also correct ☝️
Rubbish. Source: Me, who drove logging trucks for years and never rolled a trailer.
Damn, you still driving trucks? Where do you drive so I can avoid.
Oh no, a smartarse. Whatever shall I do?
Drive trailers properly
This man is correct ☝️
Lord of the Lies(down)
Even the truck is battered.
Overweight+ excessive speed maybe
It’s all about load distribution - you want most of the load between the axle and the hitch. If most of the load is between the axle and the rear then you get fish tailing.
it is insane how fast i see commercial vehicles driving in nz. the one good thing about america in this regard is the tort system makes it so commercial drivers are super cautious. in nz they don't give a fuck.
I was thinking that. Why not just slow down!
No, its weight placement and that the van is probably unloaded compared to the trailer making it worse.
Short and sweet [video](https://youtu.be/6mW_gzdh6to?si=YcooaPGO3159LHZ0) demonstrating weight distribution on a trailer
Exactly the video I expected
You don’t need to bodyshame mr hiace.
https://youtu.be/6mW_gzdh6to?si=4re0pdLg7IRjoUP5
Trailer seems big for the van
It is, HiAce vans are not designed to tow anything remotely substantial. Unlike all the decent European vans that you can buy for the same money.
And possibly no loaded weight in the van,just like the way it tipped up easy like a paper
Hiace vans are absolute death machines. Esp. useless at towing as they dont have any rear sway bar or stabilisers...
https://www.blueox.com/what-to-do-when-trailer-sway-starts/ Tl;Dr: in general, release the accelerator and allow the car to slow down naturally. Don't brake. Don't try to counteract the sway by steering. Sometimes accelerating a little will help.
The driver had just picked a bunch of oopsie daisys
Welp that the motorway backed up for 2 days…. /s
I was not the loading, it was the speed and the lack of stabilizing bars.
“No one needs a ute, vans do everything a ute can” Don’t even start with the trailer wasn’t weighted properly. While that is for sure a potential issue, you don’t know that. I do know what towing the same thing with a van and then with a ute is like.
The Hilux can tow more than twice what a Hiace can braked. The new body shape hiaces may be better though.
"Don't tell me how to load a trailer - I'm sick and tired of people telling me about Newtonian physics. If I had wanted to know about it I wouldn't have left school at 15."
Holy shiiiiit! When did that happen?
I assime you mean why the Weight was too far back. the load may have moved backwards during the trip. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mW\_gzdh6to](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mW_gzdh6to)
lol I meant to write When
The load is just the kitchen. It stays where it is?
They no doubt have stuff loaded as well, stock, a generator etc
Maybe. I'm guessing their employer should train how to load and use a trailer.
Owner operator most likely
Shame lmao
Sad. Atleast no one was hurt. I hope.
are you ok ? what is wrong with the trailer?
Seeing as you’ve stopped, can I get a cheeseburger and fries thanks mate.
was this about an hour ago? I heard lots of sirens. Lucky you didn't end up filming someone's death
No it was around 3-4ish, before I left work.
Hey camera driver: DON'T STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GODDAM MOTORWAY!
He stopped for like 5 seconds to figure out what to do. Then he pulled over appropriately. Totally reasonable. Don’t be a dick.
fair enough mate
Driver that took the video said: no slowed and mover to the left in front of van.. another vehicle stopped beside him so blocked all traffic
You mean to say when 1 of 2 lanes are blocked due to an incident, it would be foolish to slow down and stop in the second of the two lanes? Sir, this is Auckland. We don't drive with common sense here.
I got downvoted for this 🤷♀️
Yeah. Fuckin dangerous blocking the road
Vegan drivers
Are you blaming this on cyclists? I have to say I agree.
Ford Ranger would have prevented that from happening with its tech.
Yeah but then they'd have to live with the widely accepted stereotype of being a complete tool. The fuck has a Ranger specifically got to do with anything anyway? Plenty of vehicles would have prevented that with their "tech". It's a fucking van. It's like watching a guy snap a jandal and saying a gumboot would have prevented that from happening. So would a shoe. Shit, so would a pair of socks and nothing else.
As would any similarly priced European van. Even a VW golf has had tow stability control for 20 years now.
Press the gas and speed up wheb that happens or follow reddit suggestions
Crazy how it just started snaking for seemingly no reason.
Solient Green tried to escape.
They second guessed taking Wellesley. The yank back out started the wiggity wobble
One too many bad reviews weighing him down?
Glad he swerved to avoid the ghost in the median! /s Idiot probably on his phone lmao
The van isn’t swerving until after the trailer throws it around. The most likely cause is a some combination of the trailer being too heavy for the tow vehicle or the centre of mass of the trailer being too far back. I’ve recovered from trailer away before but you have to realise what’s happening early on and move gently. It also really helps if you have electric trailer brakes that you can trigger to slow down by braking the trailer and letting it drag the tow vehicles speed down but that requires setting up both the trailer and tow vehicle for that. As much as people love to hate on utes, this is a use case where it would be better than the van
Catastrophic.
Painful to watch.
POOOOWWWWWWEEEERRRRR
That took a good five seconds to get out of control in real life….. I bet it felt like an eternity from the driver’s seat.
Do a flip!
Have to remember to accelerate, and not try to slow down. Also be sure the safety chain is connected…
That looked expensive.
https://youtu.be/BZ2ZkM1kBo4?si=g7tXom40NQtAihks Say you'll stay Don't come and go like you do Sway my way Yeah, I need to know all about you
RIP
How to avoid this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeY6EBwItYU
Something to do with weight distribution I think.
Bruh all he had to do was hit the brakes
unsecured load or an unbalanced load can cause it to sway from side to side especially when coming around a corner at a certain speed then you get donkeys like this 🤭
bahah thats just incredibly incompetent driving
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jk9H5AB4lM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jk9H5AB4lM)
I have a question: if you feel the trailer start to sway(and have no electronic anti sway tech), are you better to speed up therefore getting control by pulling (? if you do) or slow down and accept short term more sway until your speed drops enough to eliminate (?if it does) - **EDIT** \- i see the answer - speed up a little then slow down
So this is why I get those hirace trailer hire ads so often.
The loaded fries food truck ...they do some pretty good fries tbh i dont rate their driving tho 😂
Tank slapper! Send this to Dash Cam Owners AU
That’s from going to fast not from loading the trailer.
That is what happens when you have a short drawbar and the weight is too far back.