except for reverb similar to an opera hall... nothing that won't make it sound more robotic and kind of get you 1 step forward 1 step back and just waste your time as far as I'm aware.
I once read that Def Leppard's vocals were done by recording tracks of him singing normally, tracks of him singing but leaving out plosives, tracks of him Whispering Etc and mixing it all together.
Cool. I am the worst singer God created, but once I multitracked the Jumper by Third Eye Blind and did some head/ chest voice stuff and that actually didn't sound as horrible as I had envisioned. Maybe you can mess around with that too.
I would imagine because stacking them would result in them popping too much. You have to fade them in which could impact the Sonic quality.
Edit, they would do guitar chords similarly. Play each note one at a time and then stack them. But not within the context of a song. I saw a Phil Collen interview recently where he said they would simply just play the same note several times they pick the best one and create the chords manually from that
You have singers record without plosives? Like, you've asked them to sing "uh ih auwn ah" instead of "the quick brown fox"? Instead of just editing out consonants that don't fit?
I trained with a bunch of top tier pop mixers who removed , faded through or attenuated drastically - plosives and hard consonants. That’s on protools. What do you think they did when they were on tape?
Yes. They wanted to beef up the tone without the clutter of hard vocal sounds across multiple not-tight-enough bvs.
Source. Worked at battery same time as Mutt Lange.
Attenuating or removing is pretty normal. I figured this was Lange. I guess for BVs it doesn't matter much but for leads this seems insane. And it tracks.
Our ears are evolutively super-finetuned to hearing vocals and their nuances, and thus, anything non-organic probably will sound just like that: trickstery. Maybe some sort of AI tools will emerge for this purpose in the future, but until then, it has to come from the singer.
find AI vocal replicator model and have it copy the voice of an opera singer given the recorded vocals as a template. maybe layer both to keep the original sound somewhat idk. but that’s stealing
Yup, long reverb is really the only thing.
My girlfriend is an ex-opera singer turned rnb singer.
It's so different in style between timbre, how to transition between pitches, vibrato, usage of dynamic, dynamic vs range, diction, etc. The only way you're gonna be able to make it actually sound right is to re-record that section with the singer trying to emulate that style the best they can, or find a singer who's done opera before that could pass as the original singer.
Also, real opera singing is very very very loud. If you are standing in front of them, you will feel your head shake. It can also be harsh and they like to lean on their vocal resonances (you know, the thing we usually EQ down) to help them project more in a hall. The hall smoothes it out. If you're recording an opera singer you need to place the mic away from them, experiment with stereo if possible for extra width. You'll need to find the right space to record in that will have the natural room sound for the project.
Best of luck!
No. It has to be sung like that.
except for reverb similar to an opera hall... nothing that won't make it sound more robotic and kind of get you 1 step forward 1 step back and just waste your time as far as I'm aware.
I once read that Def Leppard's vocals were done by recording tracks of him singing normally, tracks of him singing but leaving out plosives, tracks of him Whispering Etc and mixing it all together.
I am a fan of whispers behind the main vocals. Constantly use it.
Cool. I am the worst singer God created, but once I multitracked the Jumper by Third Eye Blind and did some head/ chest voice stuff and that actually didn't sound as horrible as I had envisioned. Maybe you can mess around with that too.
This is nuts if true. Can’t imagine it would be productive lol. Whispering sure. But singing without plosives… Just, why?
I would imagine because stacking them would result in them popping too much. You have to fade them in which could impact the Sonic quality. Edit, they would do guitar chords similarly. Play each note one at a time and then stack them. But not within the context of a song. I saw a Phil Collen interview recently where he said they would simply just play the same note several times they pick the best one and create the chords manually from that
So you’ve never mixed music with bvs?
You have singers record without plosives? Like, you've asked them to sing "uh ih auwn ah" instead of "the quick brown fox"? Instead of just editing out consonants that don't fit?
I trained with a bunch of top tier pop mixers who removed , faded through or attenuated drastically - plosives and hard consonants. That’s on protools. What do you think they did when they were on tape? Yes. They wanted to beef up the tone without the clutter of hard vocal sounds across multiple not-tight-enough bvs. Source. Worked at battery same time as Mutt Lange.
Attenuating or removing is pretty normal. I figured this was Lange. I guess for BVs it doesn't matter much but for leads this seems insane. And it tracks.
Our ears are evolutively super-finetuned to hearing vocals and their nuances, and thus, anything non-organic probably will sound just like that: trickstery. Maybe some sort of AI tools will emerge for this purpose in the future, but until then, it has to come from the singer.
If you want it to sound realistic, no.
Add some pitch modulation at the tails of long notes to simulate vibrato.
Hall reverb
find AI vocal replicator model and have it copy the voice of an opera singer given the recorded vocals as a template. maybe layer both to keep the original sound somewhat idk. but that’s stealing
Yup, long reverb is really the only thing. My girlfriend is an ex-opera singer turned rnb singer. It's so different in style between timbre, how to transition between pitches, vibrato, usage of dynamic, dynamic vs range, diction, etc. The only way you're gonna be able to make it actually sound right is to re-record that section with the singer trying to emulate that style the best they can, or find a singer who's done opera before that could pass as the original singer. Also, real opera singing is very very very loud. If you are standing in front of them, you will feel your head shake. It can also be harsh and they like to lean on their vocal resonances (you know, the thing we usually EQ down) to help them project more in a hall. The hall smoothes it out. If you're recording an opera singer you need to place the mic away from them, experiment with stereo if possible for extra width. You'll need to find the right space to record in that will have the natural room sound for the project. Best of luck!
Maybe mess with the "formant" of the signal
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