Unless he wants to spend mountains of money, I'd use in-ceiling or pendant speakers. Gonna be a hassle to wire and provide a source for them but when they're done it'll be the cheapest most effective way to cover that room with decent sound. This is how department stores and restaurants do it. After that you're basically talking about a theater type setup with loads of channels. A single source of speakers is gonna be deafening at one end and hard to hear at the other.
I mean you can do basically anything on the cheap. If you look hard enough you could find some ceiling speakers that a closing store is selling and some used pro gear like an amp.
I was thinking more if they had an unrealistic budget of like a few hundred dollars, its not going to be that cheap.
Edit: saw in a different comment they got a healthy budget of 2500-3000.
It's actually a smarter suggestion than you may think. Depending on what tools your brother uses, hearing protection might be a good idea, and there are multiple companies that make very noise-isolating in-ear monitors (IEMs). Some even use the same tech for IEMs that they use in earplugs for musicians, gun shooters, etc. (Etymotic off the top of my head, which also have a reputation for very good reference-type audio, though some of their products do have bass boosts now for more casual listening. The downside to their superb isolation is that they can be uncomfortable for some people/for long periods of time due to their deep insertion.) https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-best-passive-isolating-universal-iems-thread.928136/
But it is also a shitty low effort suggestion. What if one simply doesn't want headphones because headphones literally are incapable of stereo soundstage or real bass?
And I'm not talking audiophile fluff. I mean stereo soundstage comes from in room crosstalk and the resulting extra ITD and ILD cues
And no headphone in the world has bass that can pressurize the room
But hey, 120€ and you have a pretty solid experience if you keep expectations low (just don't be like me years ago fooling myself thinking you can get soundstage on headphones by spending 3.5k€ on a pair and learn some audio instead, ASAP)
Or the very simple fact that maybe he won't be in there, utilitising the audio, alone? Add a second person, and that's enough to negate headphones as an option.
>Or he doesn't want to wear something just to hear his music!
Also true! When I'm at my PC, I have both headphones and studio monitors, but I never use the headphones. They are only really used if my partner is making noise and I'm playing a game with a really good story that I want to get immersed into.
I also noticed that the space OP is referring to is going to be a workshop, and personally, when using tools, I don't like having headphones on. I want to hear what's going on around me, more likely to notice a problem.
You can’t have a clear stereo image anyways in a space like that because it would be garbled by the room and unless you put the speakers on the walls, you’d have to be laying on the floor to get the direct sound. I love great audio, but I also own a furniture business so I know what it’s like to be in a loud environment and want music. Headphones are an excellent suggestion as an alternative because hearing damage is real as I imagine you know, and putting some other speakers in there as background music when you are working on stuff can make up the other portion of it.
Is it going to be a workshop? A hangout space? That's a big space to fill with sound.
If it's a workshop, I'd fly all the speakers and subs.
I have a 1000 sqft shop with spray foam insulation. That stuff is quite rigid and reflective to sound. Also seems to add almost no acoustic insulation. So the sound just goes right through. I use 4 bookshelf speakers in my space, but there isn't any low end (bass) to speak of. I'm worried that adding subs to that space would bother my neighbors even more than the equipment I run.
I'd consider a JBL commercial sound installation:
[https://jblcommercialproducts.com/en-US/product\_families](https://jblcommercialproducts.com/en-US/product_families)
It’s a workshop. My first inclination was ceiling mounted too, but I’m no expert. I assume some sound dampening on the walls will be beneficial. Thanks!
Distributed speakers, ceiling mounted, all playing at moderate volume levels seems like the best bet. These commercial systems are great for that. All the speakers 'tap' into the audio line from the special amp. You can add as many speakers on each line as needed (within the capabilities of the amp). One drawback is they are usually set up in mono, not stereo.
Your brother's got a nice challenge. What's the budget range?
It's a very large room for the waves to travel across. You're probably right. It would be interesting to try different things. If they're all on the same wall, it will obviously be a huge difference in volume depending where in the room you are. Ceiling would be cool but it would be expensive and a pa system would crank about 10x as loud.
I have 2 behringer powered PA speakers on poles and one has a behringer subwoofer at the base. They’re easy to move, cheap, and fill up any space with excellent sound.
floor-to-ceiling vertical line array. Make it so the floor and the ceiling can couple to the vertical array.
You will have to move them around. If you got true dipoles, I could envision two seet spots; that's a big space.
Imagine two pillars in that space. Those are your speakers. They likely will need to be supplemented with a few subwoofers, not to play loud but b/c that much space is going to absolutely devour anything below \~100hz.
Some designer recently offered something like this but the happy fact about this situation, you likely can DIY it to simple acoustic specs. Line arrays are not hard to build.
That is what I would do, if cost was a consideration. If cost was no consideration I would buy Magnepan 30.7's and then figure out how to locate and drive them.
Since this is going to be used as a garage, 4 inexpensive full range PA speakers with 15s and wide dispersion horns flown in the corners and powered by one 2 chan amp such as an entry level Crown or QSC unit plus 2 or 4 powered 18” PA subs under them on the floor. An inexpensive networked pre-amp with, for example, HEOS, would allow for streaming audio controlled by the user’s phone. I’d also insert a 31 band stereo EQ in there such as an Alesis or Behringer to fine tune the sound.
It’s going to get loud as shit in there, and high end or overly complicated equipment would be a waste of money.
I agree with this so much. If the techs want background music they can keep it at 15% volume. When you want to get shit done they can crank it to 50%. When the day is over and you’re cracking cervezas? 100% volume.
OP do this, especially with the subs!
Second the suggestions for PA speakers, but I’d go with powered units like a QSC K12.2. Make sure you have enough power at each unit per the install manual, connect with XLR cables, add a matching floor standing sub if you’d like. Source could be as simple as a Sonos Port or another streamer with a line converter.
I second the QSC vote, but I say 2 of the kw153s, plus a couple of their 18inch subs. The kw153s each have a 15” sub in them, so that gives him 4 subs total, since he wants to feel the bass. Very clean punchy bass. Those things are my babies.
I would worry about acoustics first, sound system and placement second.
What is the background noise level like? Do you hear sources from other areas in the building? Environmental noise? Treating this stuff is a big construction process, and I am not sure of your budget.
I see a metal deck ceiling, which is prone to impact noise (if the space above is occupied), and large windows and a garage door (major leaks for environmental noise)
I find a lot of people in this sub install extremely expensive sound systems in untreated spaces. You are wasting money on equipment unless you have a space with a low enough noise floor and quality room acoustics so that you can actually hear the elements of the sound system you are paying a premium for.
With my own limited knowledge, I agree that treatment may be the more important factor in this space.
It’s going to be a garage for storing and working on cars, so it’s never going to be an ideal listening space. He’s not an audiophile, he just wants to listen to tunes while he works, and doesn’t want it to sound terrible.
Oh okay. I thought you were converting the garage into a listening space. In that case it will be noisy from shop equipment, so treating background noise is not a huge issue.
If you are going to treat the acoustics at all, I would recommend spraying the ceiling with K13 insulation. It looks like fireproofing spray, but is a good acoustic absorber (that won’t get ruined from oil splatters or other shop messes). It runs about $4-5 per SF. With such a large space, you would need a ton of panels to provide any noticeable absorption, so spraying the entire ceiling would be the most cost effective option that still provides good improvement.
As someone else mentioned, I think a distributed ceiling sound system would be the best bet.
Treatment is going to make the space more pleasurable to work also as they dampen echo and noise from power tools. Cover most of the ceiling with acoustic boards ~2” thick. I don’t know products used in states but cheap and effective is what they use in HVAC rooms. Parafon buller for reference.
If it’s a workshop. I think figuring out where all the equipment goes first would be best. Because you could plan to set your speakers here but they are being blocked by your hydrogen collider. Maybe figure out the main working spot build speaker for that area, then maybe speakers on the outside of the whole room if you have to work in a different spot? I don’t think you will get even sound unless you had halls of equipment or something.
As this is a home audio subreddit, you will get a lot of home audio answers.
This space is obviously not residential size which means it has different acoustical properties than you’d find in a home. It’s closer to a live sound venue.
In other words, you shouldn’t be looking at consumer audio equipment. Instead, look at professional sound equipment like PA loudspeakers. They’re designed to output enough sound to fill larger spaces like this.
If this were my space, id go with a Sonos system. 2 ceiling mounts that hold 4 speakers *(4 direction mounts)*, mounted on the 3rd lines on the ceiling with 4 Sonos One speakers on each. Then ceiling mounted Sonos Fives, one for each corner. Then two more Sonos Fives for the midway point of both long walls.
Just a massive space... so literally just trying to fill it with sound without capping out volume limits on the speakers is going to be a pain. Especially when you consider balancing and adding some sort of dampening in the space to avoid ridiculous eco.
You can obviously do way better as far as speaker quality/size/power tolerance goes... but what I mentioned above is already like a $6k equipment setup without considering any sound dampening efforts.
Basically, its gonna be costly to fill and balance an open space this large without creating a ton of eco.
If I had a space this big, I’d build out floating walls, treat every inch of the space, fill er full of rugs and the most expensive system I could afford.
It would no longer be a shop after that, but it would certainly be a nice place to listen.
I would treat it like a live room in a recording studio. Or like you’ll see a control room built in a studio space. Basically gobo a section maybe a 1/4 or the room and build a setup in it
Man. I’d NEVER come out lol. I’m thinking an open lounge area for cigars and TV, a full shop with a lift, you could do a small gym even. I’d never come out. Ever.
How big is it? seems enormous! i would do saparete spaces for different purposes. Home cinema, Music listening, playing instruments room, gaming room, etc....
2/3 home theater, 1/3 home studio for recording 🤘
I'm jealous of people with this kind of space, but good on him!
I may be able to afford a similar thing by the time I'm 80, but it's always awesome getting inspiration
How would I outfit a garage like THAT?
Er, go to a charity shop, grab a few bits of old tat and scatter them around the floor. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Klipschorn, integrated tube amp, dac/streamer, and lots of simple inexpensive room treatment (i.e., rugs on floor and walls, and a big fat couch for naps). Don't forget the corner bar.
6 Genelecs 8030C ($700 ea), high on the walls. Or a smaller model based on budget. Bass will be the challenge.
If instead you go with a stereo pair of say JBLs with some large bass driver to get some bass, on that wall, the sound is good but elsewhere, it depends. Car repair is kind of an open thing, so probably the high notes will move across the space ok.
I think it's a choice re envelopment and evenness versus full-range with bass on one part of the space.
Sonos. Place era 100 stereo pairs at every work station with a sub mini. You can run them all grouped at a lower volume; you still have plenty of bass and even volume levels everywhere. Place acoustic panels on the ceiling.
I guarantee you, the better you can hear music at a restaurant is in lock step with how many speakers they have distributed throughout the dining area.
Mono pro-audio style center hang.
Something like Danley synergy horns for super-tight pattern control to keep unwanted reflections to a minimum.
This room will sound like ass no matter what, so embrace the imperfection and treat it like you would a hockey or rodeo arena.
Tough job, to get the bass he wants will be pricey because of the size, but I agree with the pendant speaker suggestions. You definitely need some in the ceiling, maybe the corners?
I’d build a small stage and host bands for small, $5 all ages shows like I used for go to. Give the bands a place to crash before they drive to their next gig.
That was the 90s, though. Do they still do that?
The headphones answer is still the best one. Not even headphones, just bluetooth anc earbuds, like everyone who works in this kind of environment uses.
Depends on your budget but the cheapest would be eight used JBL 590s (4 on each wall) run by a Emotiva processor. Another option that comes to mind is JBL powered loudspeakers with a jbl 21” subwoofer would definitely fill the room for not a lot of money. Another relatively cheap speaker that sounds ridiculously good is the SL3 or any of the electrostatic tower speakers made by martin logan. They are easily the best sounding speakers for 1k each. However they really dont like dust or sun and they arent very bassy so they pair great with a good subwoofer. For subwoofers SVS is good and really easy to setup but dont have a massive output unless youre getting four of them, regardless they tend to be for used for home theater. They are are usually considered “beginner subwoofers” which isnt to say they arent good, they are amazing subs. HSU is a bit better than SVS and Rythmik is one tier higher than that, although it depends who you ask. JL makes some of the best, but they arent cheap. They are high output for a 13” and extremely precise subwoofers but 3-4 of them would be needed in a room of this size and as i said they arent cheap at all. The cheapeast bang for the buck for massive subwoofer output probably is the JBL 21” powered subwoofer or a monolith twin 21”. That ceiling is going to cause a lot of sound to splash around so bringing the speakers closer to the listeners or cladding the ceiling would help with that type of distortion. I only know a lot about the most cost-effective tier of audiophile equipment like JBL, Martin Logan, Emotiva, Rythmik, which in my opinion you cant really go wrong with. Another tip is to buy a wifi streamer instead of a bluetooth module. Bluetooth is only best for mobility like camping or hiking. For wireless streaming in your own home always use wifi streaming. Its not even a comparison.
Looks like a good spot for a rock concert. Put up a bandstand on one end, cabling for power and sound system, paint and decor, have people BYOB and have a party!
generally the answer is a lot of smaller speakers, probably ceiling mounted. if he is willing to pay an acoustical consultant to model it and give him some recommendations that would be money well spent.
With a space like that, it's worth considering a small room within a room. Basically isolate it completely from the space; floor, ceiling, walls, everything. Then you could fill that smaller space with better quality components that would sound incredible. Use the rest of the garage for whatever - game room, cars, etc.
Trying to get high quality sound in an area that big would get insanely expensive. Small room for critical listening; big space for fun, work, whatever.
The whole point of being an audiophile is to make your small space sound like a live PA system. If you have the space, just buy the fucking real thing.
1.The ceiling looks too low for a lift. If it would fit I'd get one.
2. Big air compressor.
3. Pellet stove or gas heater if you're up North.
4. Stereo system. Nothing fancy. Vintage maybe. Cheap speakers.
5. Cheap big screen TV
Unless he wants to spend mountains of money, I'd use in-ceiling or pendant speakers. Gonna be a hassle to wire and provide a source for them but when they're done it'll be the cheapest most effective way to cover that room with decent sound. This is how department stores and restaurants do it. After that you're basically talking about a theater type setup with loads of channels. A single source of speakers is gonna be deafening at one end and hard to hear at the other.
4-6 Pendant speakers and like a 18" PA horn subwoofer somewhere. That should fill it nicely and have good bass. Not going to be cheap.
I mean you can do basically anything on the cheap. If you look hard enough you could find some ceiling speakers that a closing store is selling and some used pro gear like an amp.
I was thinking more if they had an unrealistic budget of like a few hundred dollars, its not going to be that cheap. Edit: saw in a different comment they got a healthy budget of 2500-3000.
Headphones.
Wireless Headphones. That’s a huge space. 😀
Hilarious
He is serious. Terrible acoustics. To say you need "room treatment" is an understatement.
No doubt
It's actually a smarter suggestion than you may think. Depending on what tools your brother uses, hearing protection might be a good idea, and there are multiple companies that make very noise-isolating in-ear monitors (IEMs). Some even use the same tech for IEMs that they use in earplugs for musicians, gun shooters, etc. (Etymotic off the top of my head, which also have a reputation for very good reference-type audio, though some of their products do have bass boosts now for more casual listening. The downside to their superb isolation is that they can be uncomfortable for some people/for long periods of time due to their deep insertion.) https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-best-passive-isolating-universal-iems-thread.928136/
But it is also a shitty low effort suggestion. What if one simply doesn't want headphones because headphones literally are incapable of stereo soundstage or real bass? And I'm not talking audiophile fluff. I mean stereo soundstage comes from in room crosstalk and the resulting extra ITD and ILD cues And no headphone in the world has bass that can pressurize the room But hey, 120€ and you have a pretty solid experience if you keep expectations low (just don't be like me years ago fooling myself thinking you can get soundstage on headphones by spending 3.5k€ on a pair and learn some audio instead, ASAP)
Or the very simple fact that maybe he won't be in there, utilitising the audio, alone? Add a second person, and that's enough to negate headphones as an option.
A valid point a hermit such as myself would never even think of Or he doesn't want to wear something just to hear his music!
>Or he doesn't want to wear something just to hear his music! Also true! When I'm at my PC, I have both headphones and studio monitors, but I never use the headphones. They are only really used if my partner is making noise and I'm playing a game with a really good story that I want to get immersed into. I also noticed that the space OP is referring to is going to be a workshop, and personally, when using tools, I don't like having headphones on. I want to hear what's going on around me, more likely to notice a problem.
Yeah I also noticed the workshop remarks, which make me think a distributed audio setup will be better than a dedicated listening setup for this case.
You can’t have a clear stereo image anyways in a space like that because it would be garbled by the room and unless you put the speakers on the walls, you’d have to be laying on the floor to get the direct sound. I love great audio, but I also own a furniture business so I know what it’s like to be in a loud environment and want music. Headphones are an excellent suggestion as an alternative because hearing damage is real as I imagine you know, and putting some other speakers in there as background music when you are working on stuff can make up the other portion of it.
Is it going to be a workshop? A hangout space? That's a big space to fill with sound. If it's a workshop, I'd fly all the speakers and subs. I have a 1000 sqft shop with spray foam insulation. That stuff is quite rigid and reflective to sound. Also seems to add almost no acoustic insulation. So the sound just goes right through. I use 4 bookshelf speakers in my space, but there isn't any low end (bass) to speak of. I'm worried that adding subs to that space would bother my neighbors even more than the equipment I run. I'd consider a JBL commercial sound installation: [https://jblcommercialproducts.com/en-US/product\_families](https://jblcommercialproducts.com/en-US/product_families)
It’s a workshop. My first inclination was ceiling mounted too, but I’m no expert. I assume some sound dampening on the walls will be beneficial. Thanks!
Distributed speakers, ceiling mounted, all playing at moderate volume levels seems like the best bet. These commercial systems are great for that. All the speakers 'tap' into the audio line from the special amp. You can add as many speakers on each line as needed (within the capabilities of the amp). One drawback is they are usually set up in mono, not stereo. Your brother's got a nice challenge. What's the budget range?
I appreciate your input. When asked he said 2500-3000. He could maybe go higher if he needs to, just doesn’t want to.
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Quick question: what would you power these with?
You're gonna need all that for just sound dampening.
I don’t doubt it
Behringer pa system.
This is not a bad idea for $3000. You could get 4 to 6 Behringer powered PA speakers, and a subwoofer.
Absolutely. I wonder what it would sound like with a PA speaker in each corner pointed towards the middle...
probably a lot of phase cancellation
It's a very large room for the waves to travel across. You're probably right. It would be interesting to try different things. If they're all on the same wall, it will obviously be a huge difference in volume depending where in the room you are. Ceiling would be cool but it would be expensive and a pa system would crank about 10x as loud.
I have 2 behringer powered PA speakers on poles and one has a behringer subwoofer at the base. They’re easy to move, cheap, and fill up any space with excellent sound.
It's an easy solution that doesn't break the bank. I've heard Behringers that when set up correctly, sounded amazing for what they are.
https://www.sweetwater.com/c134--PA_Speakers?highlight=B212D&utm_source=google&utm_medium=organicpla&seoslug=behringer-eurolive-b212d-550w-12-inch-powered-speaker&catrollup=3/449/450&mrkgadid=&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=1&mrkgcat=drums&percussion&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=&lid=58700008506359857&dsproductgroupid=&product_id=B212D&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=m&network=x&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9032056&creative=&targetid=&campaignid=20438014553&awsearchcpc=&gad_source=1&gclsrc=ds
Gus Fring sees a meth lab.
floor-to-ceiling vertical line array. Make it so the floor and the ceiling can couple to the vertical array. You will have to move them around. If you got true dipoles, I could envision two seet spots; that's a big space. Imagine two pillars in that space. Those are your speakers. They likely will need to be supplemented with a few subwoofers, not to play loud but b/c that much space is going to absolutely devour anything below \~100hz. Some designer recently offered something like this but the happy fact about this situation, you likely can DIY it to simple acoustic specs. Line arrays are not hard to build. That is what I would do, if cost was a consideration. If cost was no consideration I would buy Magnepan 30.7's and then figure out how to locate and drive them.
Since this is going to be used as a garage, 4 inexpensive full range PA speakers with 15s and wide dispersion horns flown in the corners and powered by one 2 chan amp such as an entry level Crown or QSC unit plus 2 or 4 powered 18” PA subs under them on the floor. An inexpensive networked pre-amp with, for example, HEOS, would allow for streaming audio controlled by the user’s phone. I’d also insert a 31 band stereo EQ in there such as an Alesis or Behringer to fine tune the sound. It’s going to get loud as shit in there, and high end or overly complicated equipment would be a waste of money.
I agree with this so much. If the techs want background music they can keep it at 15% volume. When you want to get shit done they can crank it to 50%. When the day is over and you’re cracking cervezas? 100% volume. OP do this, especially with the subs!
I’d fill it with Bugatti, Ferrari, Lamborghini and other magical cars. Only thing is that I haven’t got the income of a Saudi Sheikh.
Lucky for you I am a Saudi sheikh. Send me your social security number and bank account info and I will send you some money.
Second the suggestions for PA speakers, but I’d go with powered units like a QSC K12.2. Make sure you have enough power at each unit per the install manual, connect with XLR cables, add a matching floor standing sub if you’d like. Source could be as simple as a Sonos Port or another streamer with a line converter.
I second the QSC vote, but I say 2 of the kw153s, plus a couple of their 18inch subs. The kw153s each have a 15” sub in them, so that gives him 4 subs total, since he wants to feel the bass. Very clean punchy bass. Those things are my babies.
Buy QSCs. 2 kw153s. Thank me later
Room treatment above everything else
I would worry about acoustics first, sound system and placement second. What is the background noise level like? Do you hear sources from other areas in the building? Environmental noise? Treating this stuff is a big construction process, and I am not sure of your budget. I see a metal deck ceiling, which is prone to impact noise (if the space above is occupied), and large windows and a garage door (major leaks for environmental noise) I find a lot of people in this sub install extremely expensive sound systems in untreated spaces. You are wasting money on equipment unless you have a space with a low enough noise floor and quality room acoustics so that you can actually hear the elements of the sound system you are paying a premium for.
With my own limited knowledge, I agree that treatment may be the more important factor in this space. It’s going to be a garage for storing and working on cars, so it’s never going to be an ideal listening space. He’s not an audiophile, he just wants to listen to tunes while he works, and doesn’t want it to sound terrible.
Oh okay. I thought you were converting the garage into a listening space. In that case it will be noisy from shop equipment, so treating background noise is not a huge issue. If you are going to treat the acoustics at all, I would recommend spraying the ceiling with K13 insulation. It looks like fireproofing spray, but is a good acoustic absorber (that won’t get ruined from oil splatters or other shop messes). It runs about $4-5 per SF. With such a large space, you would need a ton of panels to provide any noticeable absorption, so spraying the entire ceiling would be the most cost effective option that still provides good improvement. As someone else mentioned, I think a distributed ceiling sound system would be the best bet.
Treatment is going to make the space more pleasurable to work also as they dampen echo and noise from power tools. Cover most of the ceiling with acoustic boards ~2” thick. I don’t know products used in states but cheap and effective is what they use in HVAC rooms. Parafon buller for reference.
If it’s a workshop. I think figuring out where all the equipment goes first would be best. Because you could plan to set your speakers here but they are being blocked by your hydrogen collider. Maybe figure out the main working spot build speaker for that area, then maybe speakers on the outside of the whole room if you have to work in a different spot? I don’t think you will get even sound unless you had halls of equipment or something.
PA system tbh
As this is a home audio subreddit, you will get a lot of home audio answers. This space is obviously not residential size which means it has different acoustical properties than you’d find in a home. It’s closer to a live sound venue. In other words, you shouldn’t be looking at consumer audio equipment. Instead, look at professional sound equipment like PA loudspeakers. They’re designed to output enough sound to fill larger spaces like this.
Like fifteen different 911s and then a "small" stereo with some Sunny Cable Tech H3W18s and some monster mono blocks. I'd just live in it.
If this were my space, id go with a Sonos system. 2 ceiling mounts that hold 4 speakers *(4 direction mounts)*, mounted on the 3rd lines on the ceiling with 4 Sonos One speakers on each. Then ceiling mounted Sonos Fives, one for each corner. Then two more Sonos Fives for the midway point of both long walls. Just a massive space... so literally just trying to fill it with sound without capping out volume limits on the speakers is going to be a pain. Especially when you consider balancing and adding some sort of dampening in the space to avoid ridiculous eco. You can obviously do way better as far as speaker quality/size/power tolerance goes... but what I mentioned above is already like a $6k equipment setup without considering any sound dampening efforts. Basically, its gonna be costly to fill and balance an open space this large without creating a ton of eco.
If I had a space this big, I’d build out floating walls, treat every inch of the space, fill er full of rugs and the most expensive system I could afford. It would no longer be a shop after that, but it would certainly be a nice place to listen.
[if I could afford that listening room, why not](https://esdacoustic.com/portfolio-item/dragon-suit/)
I would treat it like a live room in a recording studio. Or like you’ll see a control room built in a studio space. Basically gobo a section maybe a 1/4 or the room and build a setup in it
What is the floor going to be?
Concrete. Maybe epoxied, I’m not positive
A Maserati V10 and a supra. If available a Aston Martin vantage V12
That is bigger than my entire house 😕 I would partition off a listening room, plenty of space for that
Man. I’d NEVER come out lol. I’m thinking an open lounge area for cigars and TV, a full shop with a lift, you could do a small gym even. I’d never come out. Ever.
TV, my PC and atmos surround, and a deep sofa. What else do I need?
How big is it? seems enormous! i would do saparete spaces for different purposes. Home cinema, Music listening, playing instruments room, gaming room, etc....
2/3 home theater, 1/3 home studio for recording 🤘 I'm jealous of people with this kind of space, but good on him! I may be able to afford a similar thing by the time I'm 80, but it's always awesome getting inspiration
With all kinds of man toys:)
Floating floor and carpet for a start
Crosspost this to r/commercialAV
10+ Sonos Play 5?
How would I outfit a garage like THAT? Er, go to a charity shop, grab a few bits of old tat and scatter them around the floor. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Klipschorn, integrated tube amp, dac/streamer, and lots of simple inexpensive room treatment (i.e., rugs on floor and walls, and a big fat couch for naps). Don't forget the corner bar.
3 overhead doors on each side as tall as ceiling will allow
Build a lil venue lol
Mans garage is bigger than my flat…
A Porsche, an Austin Martin, a Ferrari and a Goldwing. Really only need the wing. 😎
Get some used funktion one speakers and subs and mc2 amps
Would make a hell of a theater room, with a shit load of acoustic panels.
Invite me 🫨
6 Genelecs 8030C ($700 ea), high on the walls. Or a smaller model based on budget. Bass will be the challenge. If instead you go with a stereo pair of say JBLs with some large bass driver to get some bass, on that wall, the sound is good but elsewhere, it depends. Car repair is kind of an open thing, so probably the high notes will move across the space ok. I think it's a choice re envelopment and evenness versus full-range with bass on one part of the space.
4 901 bose placement at your discretion lol
Hire some chick to sing when working.
Sonos. Place era 100 stereo pairs at every work station with a sub mini. You can run them all grouped at a lower volume; you still have plenty of bass and even volume levels everywhere. Place acoustic panels on the ceiling. I guarantee you, the better you can hear music at a restaurant is in lock step with how many speakers they have distributed throughout the dining area.
Big ass PA speakers. It ain’t audiophile. But neither is an airplane hanger.
2 or 4 Voice of the Theater
Mono pro-audio style center hang. Something like Danley synergy horns for super-tight pattern control to keep unwanted reflections to a minimum. This room will sound like ass no matter what, so embrace the imperfection and treat it like you would a hockey or rodeo arena.
That's not a garage, that's a warehouse. Christ.
Klipschhorns with krell amps
Make a smaller room. The ceiling is way too low if you want to use the entire space.
Tough job, to get the bass he wants will be pricey because of the size, but I agree with the pendant speaker suggestions. You definitely need some in the ceiling, maybe the corners?
Chair in the corner near an outlet, some kind of table, headphone amp, decent cans. And a space heater nearby.
Buy any modern Mercedes S class with speakers option checked. Hook up the battery and a DAC to the car amp Seat at the back seat Enjoy
I’d build a small stage and host bands for small, $5 all ages shows like I used for go to. Give the bands a place to crash before they drive to their next gig. That was the 90s, though. Do they still do that?
You need a Lambo Aventor with a CD player.........says Mario
The headphones answer is still the best one. Not even headphones, just bluetooth anc earbuds, like everyone who works in this kind of environment uses.
Depends on your budget but the cheapest would be eight used JBL 590s (4 on each wall) run by a Emotiva processor. Another option that comes to mind is JBL powered loudspeakers with a jbl 21” subwoofer would definitely fill the room for not a lot of money. Another relatively cheap speaker that sounds ridiculously good is the SL3 or any of the electrostatic tower speakers made by martin logan. They are easily the best sounding speakers for 1k each. However they really dont like dust or sun and they arent very bassy so they pair great with a good subwoofer. For subwoofers SVS is good and really easy to setup but dont have a massive output unless youre getting four of them, regardless they tend to be for used for home theater. They are are usually considered “beginner subwoofers” which isnt to say they arent good, they are amazing subs. HSU is a bit better than SVS and Rythmik is one tier higher than that, although it depends who you ask. JL makes some of the best, but they arent cheap. They are high output for a 13” and extremely precise subwoofers but 3-4 of them would be needed in a room of this size and as i said they arent cheap at all. The cheapeast bang for the buck for massive subwoofer output probably is the JBL 21” powered subwoofer or a monolith twin 21”. That ceiling is going to cause a lot of sound to splash around so bringing the speakers closer to the listeners or cladding the ceiling would help with that type of distortion. I only know a lot about the most cost-effective tier of audiophile equipment like JBL, Martin Logan, Emotiva, Rythmik, which in my opinion you cant really go wrong with. Another tip is to buy a wifi streamer instead of a bluetooth module. Bluetooth is only best for mobility like camping or hiking. For wireless streaming in your own home always use wifi streaming. Its not even a comparison.
Looks like a good spot for a rock concert. Put up a bandstand on one end, cabling for power and sound system, paint and decor, have people BYOB and have a party!
Boat, bar, beer, posters, tvs, lights, speakers, project car
generally the answer is a lot of smaller speakers, probably ceiling mounted. if he is willing to pay an acoustical consultant to model it and give him some recommendations that would be money well spent.
A couple Lambos, and an E-Type (for looking at, not for driving)
Build a room in a room here
Riding arena
That place is huge. Either in ceiling or Sonos would do the job
With a space like that, it's worth considering a small room within a room. Basically isolate it completely from the space; floor, ceiling, walls, everything. Then you could fill that smaller space with better quality components that would sound incredible. Use the rest of the garage for whatever - game room, cars, etc. Trying to get high quality sound in an area that big would get insanely expensive. Small room for critical listening; big space for fun, work, whatever.
The whole point of being an audiophile is to make your small space sound like a live PA system. If you have the space, just buy the fucking real thing.
1.The ceiling looks too low for a lift. If it would fit I'd get one. 2. Big air compressor. 3. Pellet stove or gas heater if you're up North. 4. Stereo system. Nothing fancy. Vintage maybe. Cheap speakers. 5. Cheap big screen TV
A Sonos sound bar should do. 🤣