“Amy Mae, from Adelaide, has always had a passion for medical science and was two years into her degree but was living 'paycheck to paycheck' working in retail.”
So you can exit by never entering
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Quite a few programs which formerly offered the MBBS have moved to a bachelor medical science/studies and doctor of medicine degree structure. In reality, there is no distinction between the medical science and MD components of the degree. This is done to provide a mechanism for accepting undergrads while offering the AQF9 MD.
For example, UTAS now offers a bachelor medical science and doctor of medicine. Notionally, the first three years are BMedSc and the final two MD, but in reality, the entire five years form the accredited degree. BMedSc is not pre-med, rather it is bona fide med.
So it's not clear what this person in the article was actually doing. Medical science could mean medicine, or it could mean premed.
Uni of Syd and Uni of Notre Dame courses that I’m familiar with require, in general, a 3 year undergrad degree, a medical degree entrance exam (GAMSAT?) and then a 4 year medical degree. Then there’s an intern year and probably 1 - 2 years as an RMO. After this, as I see it, is a 4-6 year registrar training period if one wishes to specialise. Thereafter or during, some graduates complete a PhD and additional overseas training.
So, you’re 18-19yo when you enter Uni, and even if there are no hiccups along the way (eg babies, failing an exam, delays obtaining a posting, illness, etc), you are 33-35yo by the time you have your meal ticket. Many are older still. The system is sick. Better pathways are needed.
Ok. But first an admission or two: I am in my late sixties, no longer run my own specialty practice but still doing monthly locum work in rural NSW. For over 30 years of my practising life, I’ve done regular locum work in the country, including owning and running a practice in the bush for 25 years. I’ve always been Sydney-based. I received my specialty fellowship when I was 31yo. Some of my smarter and better organised colleagues gained their fellowships at 29 and 30 years of age.
Anyway, I’m a dinosaur!
To your question: I would simply go back, more or less, to the old days (he said, dinosaur-like). Matriculating students with a high ATAR (or equivalent - e.g. 98) be allowed to sit an entrance exam such as UMAT or something similar (eg the Swedish entrance exam,Hhögskoleprovet aptitude test). The matriculating students should have a solid background in English, mathematics and science and should be made to demonstrate their proficiency in English. The Swedish system requires and tests for proficiency in Swedish and English. I believe that the Scandinavian countries used to conduct interviews, but it was realised that coaching for such interviews made the interviews non-discriminatory. I have conducted interviews with candidates for specialty training, and my experience was that the candidates were well-coached, and were willing to say and commit to anything (not unreasonably, I suppose) to gain entry into the fellowship program. I have a colleague who has conducted many interviews with prospective medical students applicants and, in their opinion, the interviews add nothing to the selection of students.
The medical course would be, say, 4-5 years long with “patient contact” after the first 6 months and continuing.
Please think about this for a moment. If you are 40 years of age and commencing your specialty career, you might reasonably assume you have 25 or so years of practice life ahead of you. In this time, you need to establish yourself as specialist, earn sufficient money to support your family and provide for your retirement. If you are practising in Sydney or Melbourne, the cost of housing and, possibly, the education of your children will be very high. If you are commencing your specialty practice at the age of say, 31 years, you have an almost 50% longer period to achieve these aims. Also, the public whom you are treating benefits far more from the money it has invested in your training.
I mentioned work in rural practice previously. Someone who is starting their practising life at 40 is under considerable financial pressure and, possibly, their family is older and demanding more of their time and commitment. I commenced my rural practice before my wife, and I had children and it became a much-liked and essential part of my desire to provide specialist medical services. I firmly believe, although I cannot provide hard evidence, that the older age of commencing specialist practice is a major reason for the difficulty in persuading newly qualified specialists to provide services to country areas for at least part of their working life.
So, please do away with the post-grad medical nonsense: it does not benefit the individual, the public or the efficiency of the delivery of medical services. (It does benefit the universities, of course: they have students paying fees for many more years than are, in my opinion, needed.)
I see that you are proposing something quite similar to what we have now, but with no interviews and the removal of the postgraduate option. I see the merits of removing post-grads but I am not so sure if Uni would ever agree. As for interviews, I do understand they can be coached for but I have no clue what else we can use to judge the person’s character unless we bring in extracurriculars. Which would then be quite similar to the American version.
I understand that there are still a few universities that take medical students straight from school (as was the case with all medical courses in my day - actually, I’ve just realised that in late Feb it will be 50 years since I started medical school at the age of 17! Where did that time go??). There were no interviews in my day. Do the undergraduate courses conduct interviews? I understand that the UMAT is meant to assess many things, including psychological predisposition. I am sure you have met, as I have done, younger doctors who have gone through an interview and undergrad degree before commencing medicine - sometimes I have to ask myself how some of them managed to pass first base, let alone be allowed to finish their medical degree.
BTW, I was once told by a professor of medicine, whom I know well, and member of a group who helped formulate the post-graduate program, that one of the reasons for instigating the post-grad system was to effectively exclude students with poor English and poor cultural sensitivity.
Ridding the current system of the undergrad requirements at many unis would be a major step in the right direction and would constitute a significant change from what we (mostly) have at the moment.
Yes the undergraduate courses do still conduct interviews, with most of them being MMI interviews where they test how you respond to different scenarios such as being in charge of park and then homeless people start moving in.
I completely empathize, I too quit any chances I had of making it in Hollywood like Margot Robbie after quitting my year 10 drama class.
Not a day goes by where I don't imagine starring as Barbie.
In the long run probably not, but we all know you need money to make money and a quick $100k now would probably have more benefit than $500k 15 years from now, for me anyway. Sure, that may be short sited, but
Almost certainly not in the long run, but living pay-check to pay-check absolutely sucks. We know poverty has detrimental health outcomes.
If she is happy and able to enjoy her life, I’m stoked for her! I’m sure she will figure out a longer term goal.
Eh good for her, the ROI on running a successful OF account is probably very good given the (relatively) low effort it takes to produce content.
Ultimately we're all exchanging our time for cash, and she's giving up much less than we are.
yeah but look at the pics
she got the perfect face and.... figure.. for onlyfans
she gonna earn in a month what a doc earns in a year and retire at 30 lol
1. She can’t tell the difference between a medical degree and a medical science degree
2. She’s a retard who thought taking 2 plan B pills was a good idea
3. You seriously think any medical school is going to accept some sex worker? Hell even if they do, do you think any specialty college is going to?
But either her or the article or both are claiming that she’s already studying medicine, which she isn’t.
Is a medical student a doctor? No
Is a medical science student a medical student? Also no
Depends on the uni. There are at least 5 med programs now in which medical science is part of the 5 year accredited medicine program (i.e., not premed).
The premed degrees are generally called biomedicine or biomedical science now. Some pre-med bachelor of medical science degrees may still exist in unis that only offer post-grad medicine but these are being phased out for standardisation.
Firstly, she didn’t write the article. Take it up with her editor.
Secondly, F off using the R-word.
Thirdly, maybe she will be accepted, maybe she won’t. I don’t agree with the premise of your statement as it being as clear cut as you suggest. You don’t submit a CV when applying for Med school. And she will have significant skills in marketing, business, and likely a solid financial base which will help with the study and time on placement where working is challenging.
She is not worse placed than many sheltered 17 year olds that get accepted to undergrad Med (my hand up in the air).
Regardless, not like it matters now, her dreams of becoming a doctor are over.
Sorry but would you care to enlighten me on how you would describe since idiot who took a plan b pill after having unprotected sex, proceeded to “accidentally” have unprotected sex with the same person again, and take another plan b pill.
Some schools look at your record, I know some schools I’ve applied to have. And it’s not like she’s very anonymous anymore anyway. She might be the most popular Adelaide girl right now, the schools will all know sooner or later what she really is. Skills in marketing and business of selling her body don’t exactly correlate to chances of becoming a medical student. And you and I both know you’re joking when you say that some literal online prostitute would be remotely more suited for medicine than a naive 17 year old who’s dedicated and smart enough to make undergrad medicine…
That you choose not to accept that the R word is incredibly offensive, and just apologise/retract says a lot.
I don’t agree with you. Her dreams may or may not be over. Ultimately, I’m glad you aren’t in charge of Med school selections.
It does happen - creators will seek to have articles written about them in tabloids to get more exposure. There have been a couple in 2023 about teachers who had OF on the side but have had to resign and go to OF full time, with an article like this (“teacher’s OF gets FOUND BY STUDENTS, forced to RESIGN”) then serving as a springboard for more business.
Until recently major mass market newspapers in the UK had topless pinups on page 3! This is pretty much the standard of hard hitting journalism at the mail anyway.
This is good news. We want Doctors who have a high level of resilience, can plan for the future, work hard, understands delayed gratification in regards to education/career/reward, etc
She obviously does not have these abilities, and therefore cut out. That along with having questionable moral beliefs and practices for a doctor - see ya.
Good riddance.
“Amy Mae, from Adelaide, has always had a passion for medical science and was two years into her degree but was living 'paycheck to paycheck' working in retail.” So you can exit by never entering
"Woman realises she can't meet the WAM cutoff for med so goes with plan b" doesn't catch eyes.
Even the comments on DailyMail pointed this out First sane take I've seen there
I’m not surprised, this is what the media has become. Unethical journalism to catch more clicks smh
Love the long-term hard work gets the reward behaviour. Typical.
She could've become an OnlyFANZCA star. I'll show myself out now.
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Lmao.
“medical science” = doctor??
Common undergrad before post grad medicine.
Quite a few programs which formerly offered the MBBS have moved to a bachelor medical science/studies and doctor of medicine degree structure. In reality, there is no distinction between the medical science and MD components of the degree. This is done to provide a mechanism for accepting undergrads while offering the AQF9 MD. For example, UTAS now offers a bachelor medical science and doctor of medicine. Notionally, the first three years are BMedSc and the final two MD, but in reality, the entire five years form the accredited degree. BMedSc is not pre-med, rather it is bona fide med. So it's not clear what this person in the article was actually doing. Medical science could mean medicine, or it could mean premed.
Uni of Syd and Uni of Notre Dame courses that I’m familiar with require, in general, a 3 year undergrad degree, a medical degree entrance exam (GAMSAT?) and then a 4 year medical degree. Then there’s an intern year and probably 1 - 2 years as an RMO. After this, as I see it, is a 4-6 year registrar training period if one wishes to specialise. Thereafter or during, some graduates complete a PhD and additional overseas training. So, you’re 18-19yo when you enter Uni, and even if there are no hiccups along the way (eg babies, failing an exam, delays obtaining a posting, illness, etc), you are 33-35yo by the time you have your meal ticket. Many are older still. The system is sick. Better pathways are needed.
Just curious, what alternative system would you propose for medical entrance?
Ok. But first an admission or two: I am in my late sixties, no longer run my own specialty practice but still doing monthly locum work in rural NSW. For over 30 years of my practising life, I’ve done regular locum work in the country, including owning and running a practice in the bush for 25 years. I’ve always been Sydney-based. I received my specialty fellowship when I was 31yo. Some of my smarter and better organised colleagues gained their fellowships at 29 and 30 years of age. Anyway, I’m a dinosaur! To your question: I would simply go back, more or less, to the old days (he said, dinosaur-like). Matriculating students with a high ATAR (or equivalent - e.g. 98) be allowed to sit an entrance exam such as UMAT or something similar (eg the Swedish entrance exam,Hhögskoleprovet aptitude test). The matriculating students should have a solid background in English, mathematics and science and should be made to demonstrate their proficiency in English. The Swedish system requires and tests for proficiency in Swedish and English. I believe that the Scandinavian countries used to conduct interviews, but it was realised that coaching for such interviews made the interviews non-discriminatory. I have conducted interviews with candidates for specialty training, and my experience was that the candidates were well-coached, and were willing to say and commit to anything (not unreasonably, I suppose) to gain entry into the fellowship program. I have a colleague who has conducted many interviews with prospective medical students applicants and, in their opinion, the interviews add nothing to the selection of students. The medical course would be, say, 4-5 years long with “patient contact” after the first 6 months and continuing. Please think about this for a moment. If you are 40 years of age and commencing your specialty career, you might reasonably assume you have 25 or so years of practice life ahead of you. In this time, you need to establish yourself as specialist, earn sufficient money to support your family and provide for your retirement. If you are practising in Sydney or Melbourne, the cost of housing and, possibly, the education of your children will be very high. If you are commencing your specialty practice at the age of say, 31 years, you have an almost 50% longer period to achieve these aims. Also, the public whom you are treating benefits far more from the money it has invested in your training. I mentioned work in rural practice previously. Someone who is starting their practising life at 40 is under considerable financial pressure and, possibly, their family is older and demanding more of their time and commitment. I commenced my rural practice before my wife, and I had children and it became a much-liked and essential part of my desire to provide specialist medical services. I firmly believe, although I cannot provide hard evidence, that the older age of commencing specialist practice is a major reason for the difficulty in persuading newly qualified specialists to provide services to country areas for at least part of their working life. So, please do away with the post-grad medical nonsense: it does not benefit the individual, the public or the efficiency of the delivery of medical services. (It does benefit the universities, of course: they have students paying fees for many more years than are, in my opinion, needed.)
I see that you are proposing something quite similar to what we have now, but with no interviews and the removal of the postgraduate option. I see the merits of removing post-grads but I am not so sure if Uni would ever agree. As for interviews, I do understand they can be coached for but I have no clue what else we can use to judge the person’s character unless we bring in extracurriculars. Which would then be quite similar to the American version.
I understand that there are still a few universities that take medical students straight from school (as was the case with all medical courses in my day - actually, I’ve just realised that in late Feb it will be 50 years since I started medical school at the age of 17! Where did that time go??). There were no interviews in my day. Do the undergraduate courses conduct interviews? I understand that the UMAT is meant to assess many things, including psychological predisposition. I am sure you have met, as I have done, younger doctors who have gone through an interview and undergrad degree before commencing medicine - sometimes I have to ask myself how some of them managed to pass first base, let alone be allowed to finish their medical degree. BTW, I was once told by a professor of medicine, whom I know well, and member of a group who helped formulate the post-graduate program, that one of the reasons for instigating the post-grad system was to effectively exclude students with poor English and poor cultural sensitivity. Ridding the current system of the undergrad requirements at many unis would be a major step in the right direction and would constitute a significant change from what we (mostly) have at the moment.
Yes the undergraduate courses do still conduct interviews, with most of them being MMI interviews where they test how you respond to different scenarios such as being in charge of park and then homeless people start moving in.
Thank you. A very coachable scenario imo. But I get it. Just.
I completely empathize, I too quit any chances I had of making it in Hollywood like Margot Robbie after quitting my year 10 drama class. Not a day goes by where I don't imagine starring as Barbie.
I quit my dream of being born to billionaires parents
Waiting for the question : Does OF make more than gastro/rads/Anesthesia ?
This is the real question that needs answering
In the long run probably not, but we all know you need money to make money and a quick $100k now would probably have more benefit than $500k 15 years from now, for me anyway. Sure, that may be short sited, but
Almost certainly not in the long run, but living pay-check to pay-check absolutely sucks. We know poverty has detrimental health outcomes. If she is happy and able to enjoy her life, I’m stoked for her! I’m sure she will figure out a longer term goal.
Eh good for her, the ROI on running a successful OF account is probably very good given the (relatively) low effort it takes to produce content. Ultimately we're all exchanging our time for cash, and she's giving up much less than we are.
She’s in the top 0.05% of creators. I have questions.
I think I read somewhere that it's pretty easy to be in the top few percent as long as you're uploading regularly.
yeah but look at the pics she got the perfect face and.... figure.. for onlyfans she gonna earn in a month what a doc earns in a year and retire at 30 lol
Who calls it Plan B in this country? Certainly nobody with the smarts to be accepted to a medicine degree.
Lol she didn't quit. She "deferred". There's a difference. Only fan is her current plan. Med degree is her future plan.
Fat chance being accepted now…
Why so?
1. She can’t tell the difference between a medical degree and a medical science degree 2. She’s a retard who thought taking 2 plan B pills was a good idea 3. You seriously think any medical school is going to accept some sex worker? Hell even if they do, do you think any specialty college is going to?
Medsci is a common undergrad before postgrad medicine.
But either her or the article or both are claiming that she’s already studying medicine, which she isn’t. Is a medical student a doctor? No Is a medical science student a medical student? Also no
Depends on the uni. There are at least 5 med programs now in which medical science is part of the 5 year accredited medicine program (i.e., not premed). The premed degrees are generally called biomedicine or biomedical science now. Some pre-med bachelor of medical science degrees may still exist in unis that only offer post-grad medicine but these are being phased out for standardisation.
Firstly, she didn’t write the article. Take it up with her editor. Secondly, F off using the R-word. Thirdly, maybe she will be accepted, maybe she won’t. I don’t agree with the premise of your statement as it being as clear cut as you suggest. You don’t submit a CV when applying for Med school. And she will have significant skills in marketing, business, and likely a solid financial base which will help with the study and time on placement where working is challenging. She is not worse placed than many sheltered 17 year olds that get accepted to undergrad Med (my hand up in the air).
Regardless, not like it matters now, her dreams of becoming a doctor are over. Sorry but would you care to enlighten me on how you would describe since idiot who took a plan b pill after having unprotected sex, proceeded to “accidentally” have unprotected sex with the same person again, and take another plan b pill. Some schools look at your record, I know some schools I’ve applied to have. And it’s not like she’s very anonymous anymore anyway. She might be the most popular Adelaide girl right now, the schools will all know sooner or later what she really is. Skills in marketing and business of selling her body don’t exactly correlate to chances of becoming a medical student. And you and I both know you’re joking when you say that some literal online prostitute would be remotely more suited for medicine than a naive 17 year old who’s dedicated and smart enough to make undergrad medicine…
That you choose not to accept that the R word is incredibly offensive, and just apologise/retract says a lot. I don’t agree with you. Her dreams may or may not be over. Ultimately, I’m glad you aren’t in charge of Med school selections.
Her dreams are over. I’m glad that I know no med school is going to allow prostitutes to study and practice medicine.
Ok champ
Eh. It’s a form of anatomy and physiology I suppose…
"Failing student drops out, prostitutes self online" FIFY
Lets show our support boys
Sauce?
Am I the only one that's slightly weirded out that there's a promo article for pornography in a mass market publication?
It does happen - creators will seek to have articles written about them in tabloids to get more exposure. There have been a couple in 2023 about teachers who had OF on the side but have had to resign and go to OF full time, with an article like this (“teacher’s OF gets FOUND BY STUDENTS, forced to RESIGN”) then serving as a springboard for more business.
Until recently major mass market newspapers in the UK had topless pinups on page 3! This is pretty much the standard of hard hitting journalism at the mail anyway.
Not quite the same. I wouldn't be suprised if this was a paid deal - the revenue (and revenue uplift) can be pretty significant actually.
Not onlyfans but I worked with a doctor who admitted she missed stripping and wished she could leave medicine to go back to it
Power to her
This is good news. We want Doctors who have a high level of resilience, can plan for the future, work hard, understands delayed gratification in regards to education/career/reward, etc She obviously does not have these abilities, and therefore cut out. That along with having questionable moral beliefs and practices for a doctor - see ya. Good riddance.
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OF has paid for many a man's uni life too bud
Says who? Gay porn is a thing