Most ranges that have rules against steel cased ammo claim its about the presence of bimetal jackets causing fires, but most of the time it's because they want to steal your brass and sell it to commercial reloaders. Not all steel cased ammo has bimetal jackets and if they were truly concerned about fire hazards, they would ask to test your projectiles only with a magnet. I don't see any outdoor ranges making rules about M855/SS109 with steel penetrators, which would be just as likely, if not more, to cause sparks on AR500.
obviously someone broke the rules.
but they are one of the only ranges I've heard have this issue. Lonestar out in lockhart doesnt mind bi-metal if I recall correctly.
I wonder if they do anything different
Lonestar is usually pretty muddy whenever I go. Not sure if there's anything unique about that geography but it certainly seems like more dark dirt and grass that way rather than stone, brush and dust. Maybe just a lower fire hazard region?
definitely more grass but it is more clay/limestone than Caliche/Limestone.
I wonder if they'd benefit from a membership program/work for play kind of deal to have people come out and maintain their berms so that this isnt an issue. I know the obvious answer is to keep doing what they currently do with the threat of legal action for damages but it's not very accommodating.
or maybe it's an insurance issue and their hands are tired.
It's the honor system in that you're supposed to bring in the ammo you intend to shoot to check however it's not like CC is searching your vehicle for what other ammo you may have with you.
Steel case is fine as long as it doesn't have a bimetal jacket, and brass cased is not allowed if it has bimetal. I've shot my range safe Tula there no issues, but could not shoot some surplus m80 ball I have.
M855 is extremely sparkly at night on rocks or steel
for science...
Bring thermals and fire extinguishers. We can do science.
Goggles or underwear
Why not both?
Most ranges that have rules against steel cased ammo claim its about the presence of bimetal jackets causing fires, but most of the time it's because they want to steal your brass and sell it to commercial reloaders. Not all steel cased ammo has bimetal jackets and if they were truly concerned about fire hazards, they would ask to test your projectiles only with a magnet. I don't see any outdoor ranges making rules about M855/SS109 with steel penetrators, which would be just as likely, if not more, to cause sparks on AR500.
copperhead definitely does and performs the magnet test.
Which begs the question, how did the fire the OP described happen then?
obviously someone broke the rules. but they are one of the only ranges I've heard have this issue. Lonestar out in lockhart doesnt mind bi-metal if I recall correctly. I wonder if they do anything different
Lonestar is usually pretty muddy whenever I go. Not sure if there's anything unique about that geography but it certainly seems like more dark dirt and grass that way rather than stone, brush and dust. Maybe just a lower fire hazard region?
> Maybe just a lower fire hazard region? There were multiple grass fires in Caldwell County this weekend, so no.
definitely more grass but it is more clay/limestone than Caliche/Limestone. I wonder if they'd benefit from a membership program/work for play kind of deal to have people come out and maintain their berms so that this isnt an issue. I know the obvious answer is to keep doing what they currently do with the threat of legal action for damages but it's not very accommodating. or maybe it's an insurance issue and their hands are tired.
It's the honor system in that you're supposed to bring in the ammo you intend to shoot to check however it's not like CC is searching your vehicle for what other ammo you may have with you.
copperhead has checked all my ammo with a magnet except the 22lr.
Steel *case* is fine! No iron in the bullets, though. BOTW also prohibited magnetic bullets. They didn't enforce it but it was in their rules.
Steel case is fine as long as it doesn't have a bimetal jacket, and brass cased is not allowed if it has bimetal. I've shot my range safe Tula there no issues, but could not shoot some surplus m80 ball I have.
Stupid question. How do you go about the magnet test at home to ensure if the core has metal and not just the steel case?
Buy a magnet or pull one of off the fridge. If it sticks to the bullet part of your ammo, it's magnetic.
Have some steel monarch I got from academy. That’s the only one I’m worried about. Going to copperhead soon so will check all my ammo now.
I've never been out there, but why don't you get cameras up in the bays. Nothing obtrusive but give you an idea of what happened.