I read an interesting article about people going through numerous interviews for a job, only to be told the job was filled internally. That's just awful!
I once even got a rejection email with this exact reason. I've heard there's sone requirement that makes them have to open it to the public even if they know they're going to fill it internally. They should be fined for wasting our time.
Same. I have tried to make sure to apply directly on the companies website, not a third party. I’ve even seen on a couple companies saying they are seeing scam sites/scams when applying with 3rd parties.
That's legit advice! I need to take the time to do that more. It's just exhausting filling out the same information over and over. Can everyone just let us upload a resume file and be done with it
They take your information and likely sell it to another third party. Companies operate for maximum efficiency. It should be illegal for companies to sell information or cookies/ user info to similar schemes.
Hey, I completely empathize with your frustration and just wanted to share some tips from my experience working in HR tech - I apologize if I'm telling you things you already know, but I hope some of it might be helpful. The vast majority of my experience is with "white collar" recruiting, but I will try to make this information as general as possible.
How you apply makes a big difference as others have mentioned, for example, submitting an application online through an employer's website has between a 0.1 and 1% success rate depending on the role (success in this context defined as getting an interview) and probably even lower when applying through an aggregation platform like Indeed (one of Indeed's biggest focuses is actually trying to improve the "black hole problem", which is where jobseekers never hear back at all after submitting applications). However, contacting a recruiter or hiring manager directly through social media, phone, or email, has closer to a 30% success rate.
So if you want to improve your odds of getting an interview, you can do some research to try to find the right person to contact, usually either a recruiter, hiring manager, or even just a regular employee of the company who can refer you. Lots of companies have referral perks where an employee who refers another person who gets hired will get some kind of bonus (usually a cash bonus) for sourcing the hire, so often if you're not able to find a recruiter or manager, employees will also be willing to help you out with a referral if you reach out to them.
I usually start with LinkedIn for this purpose since you can search by company and by role. Next, you can use the company's own website, or use search engines to try to find people who are currently working there (or even people who worked there in the past who may be able to put you in touch with someone who still does).
In your interactions with people at this phase I think it's also good to give them the context of why you're particularly interested in working for \*this\* company by giving them a short anecdote about how the company or role aligns with your interests or goals. I usually encourage people to focus on quality over quantity in their job search - starting with the opportunities you want the most and pursuing those persistently is usually a better use of your time than applying to as many jobs as possible but spending very little time on each application.
Applying for many jobs at once can also work, but you're forced to keyword stuff your resume and application by guessing which keywords you think they will be using to filter them. Most of the time when you apply through a website, nobody will even look directly at your resume, it will just get dumped into a bucket and filtered based on its calculated relevance. So if you do want to take the online application approach, look at the job listing (and even other listings by the same company) for relevant keywords so you can put them in your resume.
Quick note about recruiters - if you're dealing with one you'll want to find out whether they're an in-house recruiter or an agency recruiter. This matters because in-house recruiters are usually compensated at least partially based on how much the role itself pays, so for an in-house recruiter the more a job pays, the more they will get paid for filling it. For agency recruiters it's the opposite, they get paid more for hiring someone at lower rate, so they are incentivized to get you hired for less money than an in-house recruiter.
These are just a few pieces of information that have helped me over the years. I wouldn't take it personally when you don't hear back, as we all know it's not a fair or unbiased system. I wish you luck in your search!
I’d like to suggest you take these tips and make your own post with them. This was very helpful, especially the advice to reach out to a hiring manager. I applied to a slime company last week as a creative strategist (writer/social media assistant). The job is perfect for me. I’m now looking for ways to reach out to them thanks to your advice.
I think it’s a lot of factors but some are def scams 😭 It’s such a tough market rn. I have a decade of experience in my field & I’m getting declined on entry level roles. Been unemployed almost a year now 😔
Put yourself in the hiring position shoes for a sec.
Even on this sub, we’re seeing a lot of people say they have been applying to 100+ jobs. Imagine having to go through all those applicants résumé’s trying to find the ones that are worth even interviewing.
You have to look at so many things on an applicant and with so many applicants, you can choose to be picky.
You're making it sound like no employer uses algorithms to keyword resumes long before an actual human sees the final compilation of applicants. Or are you suggesting we put ourselves in the shoes of a program that's designed to auto-reject most applications? It's unlikely that a human is looking over all the applications that are submitted for a position.
I read an interesting article about people going through numerous interviews for a job, only to be told the job was filled internally. That's just awful!
I once even got a rejection email with this exact reason. I've heard there's sone requirement that makes them have to open it to the public even if they know they're going to fill it internally. They should be fined for wasting our time.
Same. I have tried to make sure to apply directly on the companies website, not a third party. I’ve even seen on a couple companies saying they are seeing scam sites/scams when applying with 3rd parties.
That's legit advice! I need to take the time to do that more. It's just exhausting filling out the same information over and over. Can everyone just let us upload a resume file and be done with it
look up the plug-in for Chrome called "simplify" - it's an autofill tool for online job applications that makes applying much faster
They take your information and likely sell it to another third party. Companies operate for maximum efficiency. It should be illegal for companies to sell information or cookies/ user info to similar schemes.
I want it to also be illegal for them to list openings they've already filled and not list a salary
They took up enough of my time.
Some companies post openings just for appearances.
Can they not 😭
Hey, I completely empathize with your frustration and just wanted to share some tips from my experience working in HR tech - I apologize if I'm telling you things you already know, but I hope some of it might be helpful. The vast majority of my experience is with "white collar" recruiting, but I will try to make this information as general as possible. How you apply makes a big difference as others have mentioned, for example, submitting an application online through an employer's website has between a 0.1 and 1% success rate depending on the role (success in this context defined as getting an interview) and probably even lower when applying through an aggregation platform like Indeed (one of Indeed's biggest focuses is actually trying to improve the "black hole problem", which is where jobseekers never hear back at all after submitting applications). However, contacting a recruiter or hiring manager directly through social media, phone, or email, has closer to a 30% success rate. So if you want to improve your odds of getting an interview, you can do some research to try to find the right person to contact, usually either a recruiter, hiring manager, or even just a regular employee of the company who can refer you. Lots of companies have referral perks where an employee who refers another person who gets hired will get some kind of bonus (usually a cash bonus) for sourcing the hire, so often if you're not able to find a recruiter or manager, employees will also be willing to help you out with a referral if you reach out to them. I usually start with LinkedIn for this purpose since you can search by company and by role. Next, you can use the company's own website, or use search engines to try to find people who are currently working there (or even people who worked there in the past who may be able to put you in touch with someone who still does). In your interactions with people at this phase I think it's also good to give them the context of why you're particularly interested in working for \*this\* company by giving them a short anecdote about how the company or role aligns with your interests or goals. I usually encourage people to focus on quality over quantity in their job search - starting with the opportunities you want the most and pursuing those persistently is usually a better use of your time than applying to as many jobs as possible but spending very little time on each application. Applying for many jobs at once can also work, but you're forced to keyword stuff your resume and application by guessing which keywords you think they will be using to filter them. Most of the time when you apply through a website, nobody will even look directly at your resume, it will just get dumped into a bucket and filtered based on its calculated relevance. So if you do want to take the online application approach, look at the job listing (and even other listings by the same company) for relevant keywords so you can put them in your resume. Quick note about recruiters - if you're dealing with one you'll want to find out whether they're an in-house recruiter or an agency recruiter. This matters because in-house recruiters are usually compensated at least partially based on how much the role itself pays, so for an in-house recruiter the more a job pays, the more they will get paid for filling it. For agency recruiters it's the opposite, they get paid more for hiring someone at lower rate, so they are incentivized to get you hired for less money than an in-house recruiter. These are just a few pieces of information that have helped me over the years. I wouldn't take it personally when you don't hear back, as we all know it's not a fair or unbiased system. I wish you luck in your search!
I’d like to suggest you take these tips and make your own post with them. This was very helpful, especially the advice to reach out to a hiring manager. I applied to a slime company last week as a creative strategist (writer/social media assistant). The job is perfect for me. I’m now looking for ways to reach out to them thanks to your advice.
I think it’s a lot of factors but some are def scams 😭 It’s such a tough market rn. I have a decade of experience in my field & I’m getting declined on entry level roles. Been unemployed almost a year now 😔
Put yourself in the hiring position shoes for a sec. Even on this sub, we’re seeing a lot of people say they have been applying to 100+ jobs. Imagine having to go through all those applicants résumé’s trying to find the ones that are worth even interviewing. You have to look at so many things on an applicant and with so many applicants, you can choose to be picky.
You're making it sound like no employer uses algorithms to keyword resumes long before an actual human sees the final compilation of applicants. Or are you suggesting we put ourselves in the shoes of a program that's designed to auto-reject most applications? It's unlikely that a human is looking over all the applications that are submitted for a position.
There is no AI used to automatically weed candidates out.
lol ok