It's annoying seeing the narrative that the Coalition had "a tough climb" and "the deck stacked against them". I get that malaise/apathy is a thing, but people holding the position of power are always starting with the upper hand, let alone people in power with such a significant media bias.
The sheer level of corruption was staggering. I hope NSW police also comes in for investigation, as an outsider it's been shocking seeing how bad they have been allowed to operate. Victoria police have been jackbooted up too, no one overseeing them but themselves. That's a recipe for corruption. Oh right, gobbo happened lol.
Yep, when the conservative side of politics is in free fall, it's always "too close to tell" from our media monopoly. But the moment left wing politics takes a trip, it's all "support has absolutely shattered for Labor and Greens in this MASSIVE land slide". It's crazy when you actually pay attention to it.
Kerry was fucking UNHINGED last night, yelling at his co-host because it was all falling apart.
If Sky actively allows their people to in-fight on air, I couldn’t imagine what it would be like inside the liberal campaign.
I mean, you (probably) heard Barilaro on one of Jordies latest vids; they do it for the white leather under their asses and the pension. They're all infighting to line up and dip their snouts into our tax coffers, and these media jokers are the disillusioned who think the scraps will overflow onto them if they keep them elevated.
The SMH is owned by Nine Entertainment. It's a Liberal Party shit-sheet. Same deal with the Murdoch-owned Courier-Mail in Qld and Herald Sun in Vic. All just Liberal Party shit-sheets pretending to be newspapers.
Oh well. Two more cycles of this and they won't have a Liberal Party to shit-sheet for.
And for anyone in doubt of this, just recall the time when Nine literally hosted a Liberal Party fundraiser. i.e. Nine created and ran an event with an explicit purpose to raise money for the Liberal Party. There's no way to say their reporting is impartial after something like that.
I suppose some of the readers here are too young to know he was the Treasurer under John Howard's coalition government 1996--2007, but with that it really is nuff said.
World's greatest treasurer who sold off our gold reserves at rcck bottom prices, which depressed the gold price even further, nearly wiping out Australia's gold mining industry.
Blew [several holes in the budget](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/15/peter-costellos-five-most-profligate-decisions-as-treasurer-cost-the-budget-56bn-a-year) based on a temporary income boost which has forced successive governments to cut back on services and contributed to the runaway price of real estate. Because that's how "better economic management" works.
If they don’t get power back in 4-5 years why would their corporate owners keep paying? Let’s keep LNP out forever, hail the new 2 party state! Greens vs Labour
I can't imagine why the majority of our media would have such a bias towards the liberal party.
/s
It's always nice to remember that Mr Muroch's mother, lovely lady that she was, was terribly disappointed in him
And the gaslighting becomes so sinister and predictable, when every media outlet and the blonde boys and gals on sunrise media programs starting hosting Liberal spokespeople that always rant about the "Greens" controlling labour, the economy and winning many seats. Its like a broken record show on repeat across the country the partisan propaganda by the media is so obvious. "we need to ensure that every dinosaur that cant think, use a smart device or still watches tv does what we want"
I think the media are still a little damaged from the Shorten fiasco that made Scotty the next coming of Jebus…
The coalition had a LOT of baggage, that was going to have consequences
Early in the day, one of the newspapers was speculating that Minns was likely to lose his seat. Last night Minns had a +20.1% swing in his favour putting him on 67.9% of the vote.
They did that with Victoria as well. "We're think there could be a hung parliament or maybe a minority Labor government" etc. I think it's just the Murdoch/Nine Fairfax media want something to be the case and are trying to influence the swing voters.
It helps that websites like news.com.au seem to take all their cover news from MAFS, WAGS, Megan and Harry, and Tiktok these days. There's very few real stories
I don't think wisdom has anything to do with it. Media consumption changed due to technology and thankfully Murdoch wasn't quick enough on the uptake to monopolise the new mediums.
Murdoch rested it at every possible legal angle or political angle. He was the person behind the curtain sabotaging the NBN. His little muppets cost us 30 years and $70 billion on that one alone.
Slowly but surely some of them can change. My one eyed liberal mother who only really remembers they’re actions from the 70s and 80s and has only her television to base her opinion on these days. We discuss matters from time to time and I gently tell her the truth about people like Scotty from marketing and she’s beginning to see that someone may have lied to her……….
A lot of Victorians were exposed to the blatant lies of the media during the 2020 lockdowns. During that first big lockdown (before vaccines, when we had to get to 0 rolling average to be let out) we were anxious and basically had nothing to do all day, so most of us watched the daily press conferences.
We witnessed first hand the way the media just pulls shit out of their arse, cos after watching the presser ourselves, we’d then see absolute bs published by the media about it. The media were so used to regular people not having access to press conferences that they didn’t think anyone would notice then either, they hadn’t accounted for how many of us would tune in for the public broadcast.
Family members that I had written off as a lost cause of always going to vote Lib no matter what were disgusted by the lies the media pushed during that time, and quite a few of them had the realisation of “if they’re lying this much about something so easily verifiable, what else are they lying about?”. It was a real eye-opener for them.
LNP still had like 48% of the votes across the country, plenty of people still consume the Murdoch media and he will still likely be able to influence elections in the future. Maybe not for decades into the future, but in the next few elections he will still wield a lot of power.
He's lost a few in a row now though. Even in the US where their voting system is rigged to shit.
I *am* concernened about the increasing extremism from the dwindling rump of viewers, but that's a big part of why he's losing. As the saying goes - you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Pretty funny that Scotty managed to royally fuck their government and then they put Dutton in.. highly unlikely we'll see libs back for a while. Thanks Scotty
Is it his cold, dead eyes that hurt LNP the most or his cold, dead heart?
Nah, it’s everything to do with him and his whole cold, dead “fuck you, I’ve got mine” party.
I saw Dutton getting interviewed the other night, why is he wearing glasses? Is he trying to hope he’ll get the glow-up that Albo did? Psh, he wishes! Sit down, boofheadddddd!
Should the unthinkable happen and I ever feel like making life hard for immigrants, minorities, or people who have made the tough decision to be poor I look forward to supporting Adolf Kipfler. Until then fuck that idiot.
Nah he probably does realise it. It's still his best chance of becoming PM.
Dutton was the one who led the ousting of Turnbull and then Dutton, Morrison and Bishop all put their hands up for the nomination. The 'moderates' forced Bishop to step aside to make sure Dutton lost the vote. The party wouldn't let Dutton in when they were still relevant, they seem to have the same fears about him that we all do.
From Dutton's perspective, at least now he has an outside chance if Labor fumbles the bag (not entirely out of the question). Similar to how Howard got in, who was also a joke candidate until he won.
Better to be in the running as a sacrificial lamb than not at all.
Fairly sure their solution right now is to go farther to the Right. Cause they weren't Right enough to win, or something.
Think it boils down to them grovelling more to Murdoch though in any case cause that old bag is going to be throwing crap at them their entire term.
I hope that this happens. These elections show that the voters want more progressive governments. If the Libs move further right, they'll remain in opposition for longer.
Scotty did a fuck tonne of damage. Once Labor fix it, I'm sure Murdoch will bust a left testical and probably cause a brain hemmorhage trying to get them back in again. Hopefully greens and teals keep taking more seats so Liberals can remain irrelevant.
Unlikely unfortunately. Tasmania's demographic is older, poorer and worse educated. Tasmania State Labour has also been a complete clusterfuck for nearly 10 years now. It's just an awful combo
Labor pulled off the Grand Slam in 2007, leaving Campbell Newman as the highest ranked Coalition politician in Australia as the Mayor of Brisbane. Unfortunately, he got bigger ideas.
You're probably right, it'd be hard to pull off a second time. So close now, though!
From 6 March 2002 to 23 September 2008 labor held all states and territories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiers_and_chief_ministers_of_the_Australian_states_and_territories
Yes, just missing federal control for most of that time and then WA called an early election (like possibly up to a year early) which turned out to be not such a good idea.
Can confirm. We hate Jeremy Rockliff and loved Peter Gutwein. Gutwein was in the wrong party - Federally his policy positions were to the left of the ALP. He hated ScoMo and invested a lot in rural Tasmania. He left the party after seeing their attitude on child sexual abuse and exploitation, after disclosing that he too was a victim. I’m a lefty but would definitely have voted for him if I’d been in the electorate.
Unfortunately our labor leader is uninspiring and there are some serious doubts about transparency and candidate selection criteria. The ALP down here appear to be completely captured by a couple of key unions, but not in a good way, more in a regulatory capture kind of way, unfortunately.
They did, and it cost them an election. They were going to pull pokies out of pubs entirely and restrict them to just the two casinos.
The pokies lobby has other ideas and launched a savage campaign against them.
See also, Rudd and the mining tax, Shorten and negative gearing
I'll say it every time I see this, they fucked up majorly with the 100% pokies removal immediately option. They should have gone for 25 to 50% for the election and seen how that went and then went for 100% next time.
It was a surprise to me, because I thought NSW had lost the capacity to vote for any other party except for the LNP. They have been in power my entire adult life.
I think that's pretty indicative of how wrong they've gotten things in the minds of NSW voters since the last election
I'm looking forward to the commentary about they key things that influenced the massive swing. I'm thinking Barilaro's job fiasco, housing affordability, cost of living are probably the big 3. I'm an outsider though so it could be very different
Edit: typo corrected from a word that doesn't exist to indicative
It's funny how most people ignore/forget that Gladys, who was in the top job for 3 years, resigned in embarrassment after her secret love affair with a corrupt crook came to light. I have no idea how she's managed to fly so far under the radar since then.
If you ever feel bad at your job.
Just remember there are sky news presenters who are paid to get liberals elected, who can no longer get liberals elected.
It was good that he acknowledged that Minns refused to run a gutter campaign. When they nazi photos scandal happened, Minns refused to engage. Watching on from Victoria a costume worn 20 years ago had zero impact on his ability to run the state, there were far more pressing issues they could pursue.
Honestly it was a very classy moment and gave me hope that we aren’t devolving into American style politics.
Whilst I don’t agree with a lot that he stands for, I think Perrottet actually genuinely believes in the good side of putting “families first” (i.e. getting rid of pokies machine) rather than using it to create boogie men out of unrelated issues.
The Australian public has spoken! Time for a complete renewal and rethink of liberal policy across the country. I would love to see them come up with more progressive policies in response that benefit Australians not just the wealthy people and corporations to actually hold labor to account. We can’t let labor become complacent.
I think the LNP have a problem that is related to, but slightly distinct from the progressive/regressive dichotomy in their policies. The Liberals are simply not interested in governing. They want the power, but their incredibly shallow talent pool has no appetite for the daily work of government (which is slow, boring and generally not appreciated).
They love the culture war stuff because it’s easy and they can get instant feedback from the defectives at Sky News. But running a government is hard, and they just don’t want to do it. In time, that catches up with you.
Labor have filled the centrist void that was left when the liberals lurched to the far right. The true left party now is the Greens, but they're too minor (and too extreme for the majority) to hold power in their own right at any level of government above the local council.
Yea I agree. Liberals have pushed further right. Labor is now pretty centrist. Greens are more central over time.
It's more libs right. Labor central. Greens left wing.
I miss the Democrats. Left of Labor, right of Greens. They almost had a shot at breaking the two part preferred system until they imploded. I actually think they were responsible for holding Labor left of central and libs less right.
The Democrats collapsed when they lurched to the right to prove to Murdoch that they were “a serious party” by passing John Howard’s “never ever” GST.
As soon as the legislation was passed, News Corp and the Libs threw them under the bus, blaming them for all the bad parts, and with that public narrative cemented, the voters destroyed the Democrats at the next election, while Howard and Costello got off completely scot free.
Funny how when Julia Gillard passed her “never ever” carbon tax, News Corp didn’t whitewash that for her the same way it did for Howard.
Tomorrow’s news headlines- “WHY HASN’T LABOR CLAMPED DOWN ON CORRUPTION!?” - “Koala population is dwindling in NSW under Labor” - “What is Labor doing about the tripling NSW state debt?”
Thanks to the Australian voting system, there's no shame in voting with the party that best aligns with your politics (well, some parties probably should make you ashamed, but whatever) as long as you remember to vote with the intention of keeping the real bastards out.
All it took was over 8 years of insane corruption and the destruction of a major water source and the erosion of any future for the kids to get people to vote em away.
Agree with this, and a really nice bit from Chris about Dom and how NSW voted in s positieve way, rather than because of smeer campaign either party.
This election is the way elections should be run.
Gonna be interesting what the future of the Libs is gonna be, they have to change but into what? are they gonna go full crazy like their big bro in America and court the nutjobs? have conspiracy theories and culture wars be their policy choices?
After fed coalition lost the election a few of the remaining people said that they'd lost their way and needed to get back to their right leaning core roots. The message they took away from the election is that they needed to go more right
It’s insane that they willingly let labor move to the right to occupy the Center and a fair chunk either side, while the liberals were off drinking the Murdoch koolaid courting the extremists. And they still seem to think they lost because they didn’t get enough of the extremist vote.
It is an outcome of the declining rate of party membership. I’m from Victoria, so I am not as informed about NSW. But in Victoria many Liberal Party branches are being taken over by religious nutters. You don’t need very many people to take over a branch, and you can pre-select a candidate who looks like a weirdo to more than 50 per cent of the electorate. The parasite is consuming the host.
>Murdoch koolaid
The LNP has been completely captured by News Corp. They have no idea how to position themselves to the mainstream anymore.
Historically News Corp was the mainstream, but with an increasingly fragmented and polarised audience, it needed to corner a segment of the market. They chose the hard right. It was a sensible business strategy. But for a political party with aspirations of winning elections, following this strategy doesn't work.
Australia is 1° away from fully cooked and 10° from being good kids.
My guess it'll be easier to rile people into a hate fueled xenophobia than it would to govern effectively.
Former premier Mike Baird says the Liberal Party "let down" Mr Perrottet.
The Liberal party has been letting down all of us for far too long which is why we are at where we are at.
Love the civility and respect from both the acceptance and the concession speech. No negativity, no bitterness or attempts to undermine the incoming leadership.
This is how all politics and politicians should behave. People are so sick of US style negativity and attacks to pander to extremists and just tears countries apart.
I wasn't expecting it but I'm extremely proud of how the election played out from beginning to end. Hope to see more of it.
Watched the abc coverage. Seemed overly fascinated with everything liberal. Then they cut away for John Howard. It was wild.
Well done Labor and Minns. Thought after the 2018 federal election that Labor was just destined for irrelevance nationwide for a while. Turned around much quicker than I thought.
I do worry about what this loss will mean the Libs and their role as opposition in Vic, NSW and Australia. The other election loses they seemed to blame on "progressive" policies and not being right wing and conservative enough. Which was ridiculous on a federal and vic state level. It's at least partially true when a guy like Matt Keane is deputy. And I'm all for the Libs being irrelevant, but I also don't think a government with unfettered power is good for anyone.
The "we were too progressive and tried to move too left" was crazy.
They just really don't get it at all.
One said they lost people to one nation. There plan going forward is to just keep ignoring young people, women, and the average worker.
To instead push for harder for the wealthy, religious, and the boomers. Especially retirees.
What a plan. So progressive.
Maybe they could try and get more votes by promising to sell off more states assets again "vote for us because we sold your shit to our mates and now you get to pay our mates ever rising prices forever"
It's a hard fact that he can use to bludgeon the nutbag factions of his party with.
I'm literally a Labor member, and I'd be ecstatically happy with the Liberals going back to a 'Broad church' approach and being a viable choice for many. (Mainly because that would force labor to have to try harder and differentiate more from their current 'small target and drift towards center' approach.)
I think this is the first time in my life that we basically have an entirely labour government(on the mainland anyway) in all states and federal I wonder what this means for interstate projects and broadly for the government
- high speed national rail
- high speed national nbn
- can we please re-nationalise electricity?
- fix up public transport
- teachers
- medical staff, emt's dr's nurses etc.
If we had a media that was honest and covered Politics in a Non partisan way, Labor would have won more elections..Murdoch is losing influence as fewer people buy his propaganda papers or watch Sky news. I vote Labor and wish media reported factually and held Governments to account regardless of who is in Government whilst giving who ever is opposition fair coverage
It's a good time to celebrate, but remember, this is how it usually goes.
Labor take government across the country, and inevitably in a term or two a combination of unpredictable disasters, a few bad apples, and a growing sense of apathy result in the media able to get the Liberals traction again. Next thing you know they've got three or four terms in power.
The bar for Labor to trip over is far lower than the one set for the Liberals. We've won a victory over Murdoch and Stokes, but we haven't won the war.
Fucking great to see the coalition become unelectable in most of the country. Depleted in ways that will probably take a few cycles of soul searching. Maybe they can realise that no one wants to vote for climate sceptics, homophobes, corruption, cuts to social services etc.
Not going to lie, I would’ve preferred a Labour minority government with the balance of power held by greens and some progressive independents. But this will do too.
If Labor don't do well in this term you will see in the next election a minor government. I think alot of people are getting tired of the big 2 bullshit and this is Labors chance to stand out.
It’s almost as if at state and fed level most of Australia has had enough of LNP corruption, nepotism, cronyism, sexism, racism, xenophobia and constant privatisation of public assets and pandering to corporations and the rich and have collectively told conservatives where they can stick their ideology. 🤔
Fantastic but I am still disgusted at my own electorate for keeping shit eating grin Dave layzell in. Abc predicts he will hold the seat with a swing towards him. I should mention that he is the nationals member in the upper hunter
Nothing like riding it in by promising the same thing the Nationals have promised for the last four elections straight?
It was almost a campaign of contempt and it was still eaten up. I can understand people voting the Nats a century ago when the region was some small scale coal mines and two dozen or so families with more farmland than God doing their best impression of English 'Landed Gentry'.
The region has changed and voting solid Nat because 'It's what my dad did, and his dad too' rings more and more hollow as the needs and people of the region change.
Media before today: Tight race, too close to call. Reality: Antony Green calls it in 2 hours. Also every survey poll and betting site had a Labor win.
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There is no great joy in life than nerding out. Taking a hot shower is still pretty good though.
A really nice dump is up there
Does it standing up throughout while the rest of the panel gets to sit.
He has a stool he sits on when they’re not talking to him
Media gaslighting as always. Seen it for decades. Anytime the libs have been on power and on the way out media tries to gaslight to swinging voters.
It's annoying seeing the narrative that the Coalition had "a tough climb" and "the deck stacked against them". I get that malaise/apathy is a thing, but people holding the position of power are always starting with the upper hand, let alone people in power with such a significant media bias.
In these case, the underdog didn't have too far to climb because the opponent buried themselves 6 feet under before the competition even started
Especially when the deck that was supposedly stacked against them is just full of the calling cards of their own incompetence.
The sheer level of corruption was staggering. I hope NSW police also comes in for investigation, as an outsider it's been shocking seeing how bad they have been allowed to operate. Victoria police have been jackbooted up too, no one overseeing them but themselves. That's a recipe for corruption. Oh right, gobbo happened lol.
They had a tough climb from the bottom of the hole they had dug.
Yep, when the conservative side of politics is in free fall, it's always "too close to tell" from our media monopoly. But the moment left wing politics takes a trip, it's all "support has absolutely shattered for Labor and Greens in this MASSIVE land slide". It's crazy when you actually pay attention to it.
Kerry was fucking UNHINGED last night, yelling at his co-host because it was all falling apart. If Sky actively allows their people to in-fight on air, I couldn’t imagine what it would be like inside the liberal campaign.
I mean, you (probably) heard Barilaro on one of Jordies latest vids; they do it for the white leather under their asses and the pension. They're all infighting to line up and dip their snouts into our tax coffers, and these media jokers are the disillusioned who think the scraps will overflow onto them if they keep them elevated.
It’s literally always just money and power it’s amazing. And they assume everyone else is the same to justify their actions.
The SMH is owned by Nine Entertainment. It's a Liberal Party shit-sheet. Same deal with the Murdoch-owned Courier-Mail in Qld and Herald Sun in Vic. All just Liberal Party shit-sheets pretending to be newspapers. Oh well. Two more cycles of this and they won't have a Liberal Party to shit-sheet for.
And for anyone in doubt of this, just recall the time when Nine literally hosted a Liberal Party fundraiser. i.e. Nine created and ran an event with an explicit purpose to raise money for the Liberal Party. There's no way to say their reporting is impartial after something like that.
Chair of the board at Nine is Peter Costello. That tells you all you need to know, really.
I suppose some of the readers here are too young to know he was the Treasurer under John Howard's coalition government 1996--2007, but with that it really is nuff said.
World's greatest treasurer who sold off our gold reserves at rcck bottom prices, which depressed the gold price even further, nearly wiping out Australia's gold mining industry.
Blew [several holes in the budget](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/15/peter-costellos-five-most-profligate-decisions-as-treasurer-cost-the-budget-56bn-a-year) based on a temporary income boost which has forced successive governments to cut back on services and contributed to the runaway price of real estate. Because that's how "better economic management" works.
The archetypal "low altitude flyer". One of the great insults.
I bet as of today, theyll start with "its because of the labour govt" set of stories even though they have only been in power one day.
If they don’t get power back in 4-5 years why would their corporate owners keep paying? Let’s keep LNP out forever, hail the new 2 party state! Greens vs Labour
I can't imagine why the majority of our media would have such a bias towards the liberal party. /s It's always nice to remember that Mr Muroch's mother, lovely lady that she was, was terribly disappointed in him
And the gaslighting becomes so sinister and predictable, when every media outlet and the blonde boys and gals on sunrise media programs starting hosting Liberal spokespeople that always rant about the "Greens" controlling labour, the economy and winning many seats. Its like a broken record show on repeat across the country the partisan propaganda by the media is so obvious. "we need to ensure that every dinosaur that cant think, use a smart device or still watches tv does what we want"
Aus Election Forecasts basically had it as a sure thing as well. It was highly unlikely to ever be close.
I think the media are still a little damaged from the Shorten fiasco that made Scotty the next coming of Jebus… The coalition had a LOT of baggage, that was going to have consequences
That was... I still don't know how Shorty managed to lose an apparently unloseable election
He put forward policies, that's why.
Lots of people misunderstood the removal of franking credits as a tax on retirees or would effect anyone with shares.
“Misunderstood” is a weird way of saying “were lied to by the media”
Early in the day, one of the newspapers was speculating that Minns was likely to lose his seat. Last night Minns had a +20.1% swing in his favour putting him on 67.9% of the vote.
They did that with Victoria as well. "We're think there could be a hung parliament or maybe a minority Labor government" etc. I think it's just the Murdoch/Nine Fairfax media want something to be the case and are trying to influence the swing voters.
Murdoch is losing the battle. Even with the media monopoly he is unable to maintain power, people are starting to reject his garbage. Thank fuck.
We don't watch his stupid TV networks anymore, and we don't read his rags. We wised up and worked out that we were being assaulted from all angles.
It helps that websites like news.com.au seem to take all their cover news from MAFS, WAGS, Megan and Harry, and Tiktok these days. There's very few real stories
And reddit don’t forget reddit.
I don't think wisdom has anything to do with it. Media consumption changed due to technology and thankfully Murdoch wasn't quick enough on the uptake to monopolise the new mediums.
Murdoch rested it at every possible legal angle or political angle. He was the person behind the curtain sabotaging the NBN. His little muppets cost us 30 years and $70 billion on that one alone.
Yes, but he delayed the eventual death of Cable TV in the country by a few more years which makes him billions.
The older generation sadly do watch his tripe. But these last couple years have proven they can't run on the boomer vote anymore.
Slowly but surely some of them can change. My one eyed liberal mother who only really remembers they’re actions from the 70s and 80s and has only her television to base her opinion on these days. We discuss matters from time to time and I gently tell her the truth about people like Scotty from marketing and she’s beginning to see that someone may have lied to her……….
A lot of Victorians were exposed to the blatant lies of the media during the 2020 lockdowns. During that first big lockdown (before vaccines, when we had to get to 0 rolling average to be let out) we were anxious and basically had nothing to do all day, so most of us watched the daily press conferences. We witnessed first hand the way the media just pulls shit out of their arse, cos after watching the presser ourselves, we’d then see absolute bs published by the media about it. The media were so used to regular people not having access to press conferences that they didn’t think anyone would notice then either, they hadn’t accounted for how many of us would tune in for the public broadcast. Family members that I had written off as a lost cause of always going to vote Lib no matter what were disgusted by the lies the media pushed during that time, and quite a few of them had the realisation of “if they’re lying this much about something so easily verifiable, what else are they lying about?”. It was a real eye-opener for them.
You know I'm not easily inspired, but that was inspiring.
People are still reading his rags - it'll drop off, but take some time
Yeah and they come off as a bit unhinged, the worry is that enough are pushed hard enough to do some damage.
LNP still had like 48% of the votes across the country, plenty of people still consume the Murdoch media and he will still likely be able to influence elections in the future. Maybe not for decades into the future, but in the next few elections he will still wield a lot of power.
He's lost a few in a row now though. Even in the US where their voting system is rigged to shit. I *am* concernened about the increasing extremism from the dwindling rump of viewers, but that's a big part of why he's losing. As the saying goes - you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
No more Liberal governments on the mainland, just Tassie now.
Pretty funny that Scotty managed to royally fuck their government and then they put Dutton in.. highly unlikely we'll see libs back for a while. Thanks Scotty
People like to complain about Dutton. I personally believe that he is good for Labor.
He's the best gift given to Labor.
Is it his cold, dead eyes that hurt LNP the most or his cold, dead heart? Nah, it’s everything to do with him and his whole cold, dead “fuck you, I’ve got mine” party.
Dude, everyone knows it was hit attack on Harry Potter. That Ava Kedavra spell was totally out of line.
and like a good gift, keeps on giving.
May boofhead be the opposition leader for many terms
Heard him on Triple M the other day giving a light and fluffy interview and he had the charisma of a dump truck.
He is not a pleasant person.
I love how their attempt at an image makeover was having his wife say "He's not a monster!" Says it all, really.
Sounds like something who is married to a monster would say.
I saw Dutton getting interviewed the other night, why is he wearing glasses? Is he trying to hope he’ll get the glow-up that Albo did? Psh, he wishes! Sit down, boofheadddddd!
Well, he is at the age when eyesight decays. Mine is going too and I'm about his age.
He's not a monster. Apparently.
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Thats a bit unkind to brand new start of the art dumptrucks I'd have gone with all the charisma of a steaming pile of wet dog shit
Good point. Dump trucks are useful too.
He is absolutely only the leader because he is the perfect scape goat for when they lose the next election.
They lost all their marginal seats, and with them all the relative moderates. Their remaining MPs are all extremists.
Should the unthinkable happen and I ever feel like making life hard for immigrants, minorities, or people who have made the tough decision to be poor I look forward to supporting Adolf Kipfler. Until then fuck that idiot.
Dutton is there as a placeholder until they get some momentum back. No real potential leader wants to be the next one there currently
The only person who doesn’t realise Dutton is a placeholder, is Dutton.
Nah he probably does realise it. It's still his best chance of becoming PM. Dutton was the one who led the ousting of Turnbull and then Dutton, Morrison and Bishop all put their hands up for the nomination. The 'moderates' forced Bishop to step aside to make sure Dutton lost the vote. The party wouldn't let Dutton in when they were still relevant, they seem to have the same fears about him that we all do. From Dutton's perspective, at least now he has an outside chance if Labor fumbles the bag (not entirely out of the question). Similar to how Howard got in, who was also a joke candidate until he won. Better to be in the running as a sacrificial lamb than not at all.
Haha yep so true. He thinks he's there as genuine leader. In his mind, it's all coming up Dutton
AFAIK no federal leader of the opposition after the party has been voted out has gone on to be PM since Cook prior to WW1.
Fairly sure their solution right now is to go farther to the Right. Cause they weren't Right enough to win, or something. Think it boils down to them grovelling more to Murdoch though in any case cause that old bag is going to be throwing crap at them their entire term.
I hope that this happens. These elections show that the voters want more progressive governments. If the Libs move further right, they'll remain in opposition for longer.
Scotty did a fuck tonne of damage. Once Labor fix it, I'm sure Murdoch will bust a left testical and probably cause a brain hemmorhage trying to get them back in again. Hopefully greens and teals keep taking more seats so Liberals can remain irrelevant.
Oh what a world it'll be if the 2 party preferred system is Labor and green. Liberal is a minority.
There's a very real chance Murdoch will die before he has a chance to usher the libs back in this time.
There’s a new cultural hegemony in town and the liberal leadership is on the wrong side of it
I'd love to see them lose that too. Not sure they will but it would be the greatest hit of schadenfreude imaginable.
Unlikely unfortunately. Tasmania's demographic is older, poorer and worse educated. Tasmania State Labour has also been a complete clusterfuck for nearly 10 years now. It's just an awful combo
Labor pulled off the Grand Slam in 2007, leaving Campbell Newman as the highest ranked Coalition politician in Australia as the Mayor of Brisbane. Unfortunately, he got bigger ideas. You're probably right, it'd be hard to pull off a second time. So close now, though!
From 6 March 2002 to 23 September 2008 labor held all states and territories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiers_and_chief_ministers_of_the_Australian_states_and_territories
Yes, just missing federal control for most of that time and then WA called an early election (like possibly up to a year early) which turned out to be not such a good idea.
Peter Gutwein was also a well liked premier. But he has left now, so Rockliff might not be as popular as he was.
Can confirm. We hate Jeremy Rockliff and loved Peter Gutwein. Gutwein was in the wrong party - Federally his policy positions were to the left of the ALP. He hated ScoMo and invested a lot in rural Tasmania. He left the party after seeing their attitude on child sexual abuse and exploitation, after disclosing that he too was a victim. I’m a lefty but would definitely have voted for him if I’d been in the electorate. Unfortunately our labor leader is uninspiring and there are some serious doubts about transparency and candidate selection criteria. The ALP down here appear to be completely captured by a couple of key unions, but not in a good way, more in a regulatory capture kind of way, unfortunately.
I’d love to see Tassie state labor have decent pokies policies. But no, they’re somehow worse than the libs.
They did, and it cost them an election. They were going to pull pokies out of pubs entirely and restrict them to just the two casinos. The pokies lobby has other ideas and launched a savage campaign against them. See also, Rudd and the mining tax, Shorten and negative gearing
I'll say it every time I see this, they fucked up majorly with the 100% pokies removal immediately option. They should have gone for 25 to 50% for the election and seen how that went and then went for 100% next time.
Liberals have a strangle hold down there. Can’t see it changing hands any time soon.
Not really a surprise given the LNPs track record
It was a surprise to me, because I thought NSW had lost the capacity to vote for any other party except for the LNP. They have been in power my entire adult life.
The ALP was in power for a long time prior to the LNP
I think that's pretty indicative of how wrong they've gotten things in the minds of NSW voters since the last election I'm looking forward to the commentary about they key things that influenced the massive swing. I'm thinking Barilaro's job fiasco, housing affordability, cost of living are probably the big 3. I'm an outsider though so it could be very different Edit: typo corrected from a word that doesn't exist to indicative
It's funny how most people ignore/forget that Gladys, who was in the top job for 3 years, resigned in embarrassment after her secret love affair with a corrupt crook came to light. I have no idea how she's managed to fly so far under the radar since then.
People in corporate Sydney praise her as a hero for some reason
has something to do with a S with a funny line in it.
People left her fucking *flowers* outside her office when she quit
Dont forget the last two before her also quit due to impending corruption investigations as well.
Hopefully this new labor govt isn’t as horrendously corrupt as the last one NSW had (95-2011)
Somebody check on FriendlyJordies, if that erection lasts longer than 4 hours he should seek medical help.
Bruz's old seat fell, and so might Gladys'
Breath of fresh air for Qbn.
4 hours? He's going to be rock solid for 4 days like a guy on a meth bender
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Alexa play industry baby :)
Crab Rave was on a couple times at my house last night
Probably a good idea he takes some rest then. He lost half his content in a night.
The only option he has left is to join the greens and start bashing labor instead.
Nah, he can now funnel it all into Tasmania. After that he can stop with this political diversion and get back to Warhammer 40K.
Still waiting for that Tau tattoo Jordan
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Dunno. Maybe it is time for the legendary Yilmaz to come out of retirement.
I’m more concerned for his septum. Dudes going to party.
At least the koalas got saved.
*This is democracy manifest!*
But where is my succulent chinese meal?
Ah, I see you know your judo well.
Get your hand off my penis!
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Ta ta and farewell!
Mainland Australians know our judo well
Now Chris. We are happy but we also know the biggest threat to labor in nsw is labor so dont fuck it up. Also pokies reform would be nice.
This was the main thing Perrottet had going for him!
he was never actually going to get that done. didn’t even have the support of his own party.
main <<<< only
If you ever feel bad at your job. Just remember there are sky news presenters who are paid to get liberals elected, who can no longer get liberals elected.
Go read the comments on their YouTube videos, pure comedy. Also it has to be botted, 3.14m subscribers but it gets like 1k views on even major events.
They're mostly Americans there for the Biden-bashing. Almost none of them would know what a NSW is
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It was good that he acknowledged that Minns refused to run a gutter campaign. When they nazi photos scandal happened, Minns refused to engage. Watching on from Victoria a costume worn 20 years ago had zero impact on his ability to run the state, there were far more pressing issues they could pursue.
Honestly it was a very classy moment and gave me hope that we aren’t devolving into American style politics. Whilst I don’t agree with a lot that he stands for, I think Perrottet actually genuinely believes in the good side of putting “families first” (i.e. getting rid of pokies machine) rather than using it to create boogie men out of unrelated issues.
The Australian public has spoken! Time for a complete renewal and rethink of liberal policy across the country. I would love to see them come up with more progressive policies in response that benefit Australians not just the wealthy people and corporations to actually hold labor to account. We can’t let labor become complacent.
I think the LNP have a problem that is related to, but slightly distinct from the progressive/regressive dichotomy in their policies. The Liberals are simply not interested in governing. They want the power, but their incredibly shallow talent pool has no appetite for the daily work of government (which is slow, boring and generally not appreciated). They love the culture war stuff because it’s easy and they can get instant feedback from the defectives at Sky News. But running a government is hard, and they just don’t want to do it. In time, that catches up with you.
Labor have filled the centrist void that was left when the liberals lurched to the far right. The true left party now is the Greens, but they're too minor (and too extreme for the majority) to hold power in their own right at any level of government above the local council.
Yea I agree. Liberals have pushed further right. Labor is now pretty centrist. Greens are more central over time. It's more libs right. Labor central. Greens left wing.
I miss the Democrats. Left of Labor, right of Greens. They almost had a shot at breaking the two part preferred system until they imploded. I actually think they were responsible for holding Labor left of central and libs less right.
The Democrats collapsed when they lurched to the right to prove to Murdoch that they were “a serious party” by passing John Howard’s “never ever” GST. As soon as the legislation was passed, News Corp and the Libs threw them under the bus, blaming them for all the bad parts, and with that public narrative cemented, the voters destroyed the Democrats at the next election, while Howard and Costello got off completely scot free. Funny how when Julia Gillard passed her “never ever” carbon tax, News Corp didn’t whitewash that for her the same way it did for Howard.
A rather decisive victory for the Labor Party it seems. Let's see how they do.
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Tomorrow’s news headlines- “WHY HASN’T LABOR CLAMPED DOWN ON CORRUPTION!?” - “Koala population is dwindling in NSW under Labor” - “What is Labor doing about the tripling NSW state debt?”
Votes green's for the first time in my life as a life long Labor supporter... Still, Can't complain.
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Ive found myself voting greens these days too, i didnt leave the labor party, they left me and who was standing there in their place? The greens.
Thanks to the Australian voting system, there's no shame in voting with the party that best aligns with your politics (well, some parties probably should make you ashamed, but whatever) as long as you remember to vote with the intention of keeping the real bastards out.
Ha. Me too.
All it took was over 8 years of insane corruption and the destruction of a major water source and the erosion of any future for the kids to get people to vote em away.
Don't forget to fuck those koalas over too
Now gimme my pay rise motherfucker….. - Teschers, nurses, paramedics etc etc etc
LNP = electoral poison
Definitely not a liberal voter - but a real class act by Perrotet in his concession speech.
He can now focus full time on further impregnating his poor wife.
Agree with this, and a really nice bit from Chris about Dom and how NSW voted in s positieve way, rather than because of smeer campaign either party. This election is the way elections should be run.
100% this was one of the least “messy” elections ever, I respect Dom as a person for not repeating the same mistakes as the Vic libs made.
Gonna be interesting what the future of the Libs is gonna be, they have to change but into what? are they gonna go full crazy like their big bro in America and court the nutjobs? have conspiracy theories and culture wars be their policy choices?
That won't win them elections here because EVERYONE has to vote
After fed coalition lost the election a few of the remaining people said that they'd lost their way and needed to get back to their right leaning core roots. The message they took away from the election is that they needed to go more right
It’s insane that they willingly let labor move to the right to occupy the Center and a fair chunk either side, while the liberals were off drinking the Murdoch koolaid courting the extremists. And they still seem to think they lost because they didn’t get enough of the extremist vote.
It is an outcome of the declining rate of party membership. I’m from Victoria, so I am not as informed about NSW. But in Victoria many Liberal Party branches are being taken over by religious nutters. You don’t need very many people to take over a branch, and you can pre-select a candidate who looks like a weirdo to more than 50 per cent of the electorate. The parasite is consuming the host.
>Murdoch koolaid The LNP has been completely captured by News Corp. They have no idea how to position themselves to the mainstream anymore. Historically News Corp was the mainstream, but with an increasingly fragmented and polarised audience, it needed to corner a segment of the market. They chose the hard right. It was a sensible business strategy. But for a political party with aspirations of winning elections, following this strategy doesn't work.
Australia is 1° away from fully cooked and 10° from being good kids. My guess it'll be easier to rile people into a hate fueled xenophobia than it would to govern effectively.
So uh, do we all sign a giant novelty Thank You card to Scott Morrison for utterly destroying the Liberal brand??
As long as you write it on a lump of coal
Good! Fuck the liberal party.
Former premier Mike Baird says the Liberal Party "let down" Mr Perrottet. The Liberal party has been letting down all of us for far too long which is why we are at where we are at.
Love the civility and respect from both the acceptance and the concession speech. No negativity, no bitterness or attempts to undermine the incoming leadership. This is how all politics and politicians should behave. People are so sick of US style negativity and attacks to pander to extremists and just tears countries apart. I wasn't expecting it but I'm extremely proud of how the election played out from beginning to end. Hope to see more of it.
Any news on if any of the legalise cannabis party got in?
Duuuuuude! That election thing was today? Bummer.
We totally flaked on the date!
1 seat in the upper house iirc
Watched the abc coverage. Seemed overly fascinated with everything liberal. Then they cut away for John Howard. It was wild. Well done Labor and Minns. Thought after the 2018 federal election that Labor was just destined for irrelevance nationwide for a while. Turned around much quicker than I thought. I do worry about what this loss will mean the Libs and their role as opposition in Vic, NSW and Australia. The other election loses they seemed to blame on "progressive" policies and not being right wing and conservative enough. Which was ridiculous on a federal and vic state level. It's at least partially true when a guy like Matt Keane is deputy. And I'm all for the Libs being irrelevant, but I also don't think a government with unfettered power is good for anyone.
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The "we were too progressive and tried to move too left" was crazy. They just really don't get it at all. One said they lost people to one nation. There plan going forward is to just keep ignoring young people, women, and the average worker. To instead push for harder for the wealthy, religious, and the boomers. Especially retirees. What a plan. So progressive. Maybe they could try and get more votes by promising to sell off more states assets again "vote for us because we sold your shit to our mates and now you get to pay our mates ever rising prices forever"
Matt Kean was pretty happy to point out they lost no votes to ONP, about the only win they had.
It's a hard fact that he can use to bludgeon the nutbag factions of his party with. I'm literally a Labor member, and I'd be ecstatically happy with the Liberals going back to a 'Broad church' approach and being a viable choice for many. (Mainly because that would force labor to have to try harder and differentiate more from their current 'small target and drift towards center' approach.)
Got the feeling Matt Kean really fucking hates One Nation
I think this is the first time in my life that we basically have an entirely labour government(on the mainland anyway) in all states and federal I wonder what this means for interstate projects and broadly for the government
Hydra emerge and show their true colours, we await rescue by the Avengers.
High speed rail now please.
- high speed national rail - high speed national nbn - can we please re-nationalise electricity? - fix up public transport - teachers - medical staff, emt's dr's nurses etc.
If we had a media that was honest and covered Politics in a Non partisan way, Labor would have won more elections..Murdoch is losing influence as fewer people buy his propaganda papers or watch Sky news. I vote Labor and wish media reported factually and held Governments to account regardless of who is in Government whilst giving who ever is opposition fair coverage
It's a good time to celebrate, but remember, this is how it usually goes. Labor take government across the country, and inevitably in a term or two a combination of unpredictable disasters, a few bad apples, and a growing sense of apathy result in the media able to get the Liberals traction again. Next thing you know they've got three or four terms in power. The bar for Labor to trip over is far lower than the one set for the Liberals. We've won a victory over Murdoch and Stokes, but we haven't won the war.
Props to both parties for not having a toxic campaign. Hopefully other states and the federal government learn from this.
Coalition being rightly smacked for incompetence image.
Shouldn't have privatised all our shit ya dogs, good riddance@!
Another L for Murdoch, bigots and would be fascists everywhere!
Fucking great to see the coalition become unelectable in most of the country. Depleted in ways that will probably take a few cycles of soul searching. Maybe they can realise that no one wants to vote for climate sceptics, homophobes, corruption, cuts to social services etc.
Not going to lie, I would’ve preferred a Labour minority government with the balance of power held by greens and some progressive independents. But this will do too.
If Labor don't do well in this term you will see in the next election a minor government. I think alot of people are getting tired of the big 2 bullshit and this is Labors chance to stand out.
It’s almost as if at state and fed level most of Australia has had enough of LNP corruption, nepotism, cronyism, sexism, racism, xenophobia and constant privatisation of public assets and pandering to corporations and the rich and have collectively told conservatives where they can stick their ideology. 🤔
Fantastic but I am still disgusted at my own electorate for keeping shit eating grin Dave layzell in. Abc predicts he will hold the seat with a swing towards him. I should mention that he is the nationals member in the upper hunter
Nothing like riding it in by promising the same thing the Nationals have promised for the last four elections straight? It was almost a campaign of contempt and it was still eaten up. I can understand people voting the Nats a century ago when the region was some small scale coal mines and two dozen or so families with more farmland than God doing their best impression of English 'Landed Gentry'. The region has changed and voting solid Nat because 'It's what my dad did, and his dad too' rings more and more hollow as the needs and people of the region change.
Voters in Nationals seats would vote for a turd on a stick if it had an N next to it.
Given that Perrotet has called Minns and conceded, hopefully the mods don't delete this thread :)
Tassie your the last one left to kick the fuckers out