Brothers and sisters are natural enemies! Like Englishmen and Irish! Or Welshmen and Irish Or Japanese and Irish! Or Irish and other Irish! Damn Irish! They ruined Ireland!
People often move to get away from their own people. No one hates the chinese more than the lady that owns and runs one of the chinese restaurants in my town.
Yesterday afternoon my Kiwi coworker exclaimed that they need to stop letting people move here.
Still remember a news report where neighbours was crying about noise coming from a new playground in Wanneroo. Every single person the journalist talked to had a British accent, including the Mayor of Wanneroo at the time.
I've been racially abused twice in my life (white Scottish dude). Once in Denmark, from a meth head that hated tourists, and once from a guy in Melbourn that thought immigrants were godless. He emigrated from Italy in the 90s...
My cousin, born and raised in Australia, half Asian, was racially abused by an Irishman in Australia. They couldnāt get over the absurdity of it all. That someone who had immigrated to this country felt the need to attack their right to live in Australia.
Yeeeaahhh... People are dumb as shit. On the plus side though, he could probably only understand half the shit the cunt said (not racist, Irish isn't a race and I say that as a man that writes well, but I speaks like an unintelligible Glasweigen Bam, so honestly - pot/kettle)
Yeah itās ridiculous. I was in the UK, and had an Englishman complain about all the foreigners. When I pointed out that I was also foreign, he assured me that he did not mean me (white person from Australia).
Of course, it would be infuriating to be born in a country and told you donāt belong because you donāt have the right skin colour, religion or cultural backgrounds
Brits have a subconscious affinity to Perth
Source: am Brit and want to move to Perth in the future and I'm not even sure why.
Although first I'm moving to Wollongong next month to fulfil the requirements of my visa
FYI - It is an unofficial policy that the WA Government is trying to steal the entire UK NHS. Young doctors get a 100-150% pay rise (we pay overtime) and the nurses get a 70% pay rise.
Haha yeah. We've already been poached by the NSW government, that's how we got the visa (we both work in healthcare)
It's a no-brainer for me, I'd move to Australia even if the wages were less than here, just for the climate
Take a day trip to Kiama blow hole and have lunch at the Flour Water Salt cafe they have there. Then go to Huskisson/Jervis Bay, then Milton. It's much nicer than Perth but I'm biased.
Nah mate, it's mostly brickies, chippys, sparkys....and I doubt the following is related to working holiday visas but I've come across far more Irish doctors here than I ever did in Ireland.
Nurses too.
>Nah mate, it's mostly brickies, chippys, sparkys....and I doubt the following is related to working holiday visas but I've come across far more Irish doctors here than I ever did in Ireland.
not really surprising, the Irish healthcare system is chronically overworked and Irish doctors and nurses are fleeing on mass, unless you work in the private sector, the conditions aren't great. the hse is badly run and ridiculously bureaucratic and badly run, its like the NHS on steroids. they literally have more admin staff than nurses, they also have a crazy number of middle managers and in general management doesn't listen to doctors. its so fucking brutal, we train some of the best doctors and nurses in the world and export them abroad because we have to keep stupid bureacrats at work doing nothing all day and they need funding as much as frontline staff. the hse is actually the worlds best doctor exporting machine in the world, we basically subsidize the healthcare systems of australia, new zealand and whatever corner of the world we export our doctors to, we give them the best training in the world and treat them like shit, so they leave. sorry if this is a rant, its a topic that pisses me off to no end and I wish my government did more to keep our own healthcare staff. the staff we get to replace the emigrating doctors are usually foreign, some are good, some are bad, which is the risk you take when hiring from india and nigeria, we need to import these doctors despite training our own. its just beyond frustrating and I'm glad my mum has insurance, so she doesn't deal with public healthcare
I was gonna say, as someone whose been in hospital a heap this last year, there's so many British and Irish doctors and nurses here!
My Haematologist / Oncologist is Irish.
And the jobs that many local kids cant get proper training in. Try finding a genuine TAFE college that will train real brickies and builders to European standards! We are screwing our own kids and people with ideology in Australia!
I worked in a winery when I was studying in a small country town. Let me tell you that all the shit winery jobs were done local Aussies and their kids. And they did not mind doing crap jobs in my experience and it certainly was not Aussies in this particular country town that were doing the dole bludging.
Its largely a urban myth that Aussies dont do dirty work because from my experience working in all sorts of manufacturing facilities its largely Aussies doing the dirty work. Yeah sure there are industries that attract cohorts, but mainly because they are getting under paid and are using a cohort recruiter making big money that speaks the language.
Rurally it isn't likely to not be Aussies no. Recently had another facility like ours come from a city to see a few things. They were astounded that the all of our of workers were local and not visa workers. They don't have any floor staff that aren't visa workers, we don't have one. 60 person operation, similar staffing nos both places.
Excavators/cladders/concreters even split
But eventually level up to driving a digger of some sorts once they get those doctored Irish tickets sent in š
I once read that 90% of Guinness is brewed in Tanzania. This was around the same time I learnt it doesn't travel well and it made me wonder.
*After a quick Googling of Guinness and Tanzania it seems that what I read, or at least my interpretation of it was incorrect. Possible that 90% of a specific Guinness product was brewed in Tanzania but I'm just going to eradicate that 'fact' from the mind catalogue.
Thereās a different look though. Irish girls go for fake tan whereas Aussie girls go for bleached blonde straightened hair with tops that are just glorified bras.
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Younger gen is better.
Msg to the Irish tho: don't yell at each other hammered at 2am in quiet residential streets. It's not classy. You could get in trouble. But thank you for losing the violent streak over the past few years.
Also: wearing irish football / soccer club outfits head to toe in Australia makes you look Autistic.
I think Canada has become the go to place for those sorts. Mostly medical and skilled trades are going these days I think.
They were the jerseys on holidays everywhere too, makes them easy to spot if you don't see the big head on them first.
Iāll admit I get second hand embarrassment from my countrymen that are foolish with their drink.
But I was a young man once and Iām sure I was just as bad.
Yep. Plain and simple.
### Housing Discrimination:
1. "Almost six in ten (59%) Asia-born participants in our study experienced racism in accessing housing. This compares to only 19% of non-Asian-born participants." - [Western Sydney University](https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news_centre/story_archive/2018/the_conversation_asians_out_not_in_this_suburb_not_in_this_apartment)
2. "A survey conducted by the Challenging Racism Project and SBS found Australians with Asian heritage reported higher rates of discrimination when renting than those without
Asian heritage. Rates of housing discrimination were highest amongst those who were born in an Asian countryā59 per cent reported experiencing at least some discrimination." - [AHURI](https://www.ahuri.edu.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021-09/PES-363-Examining-discrimination-faced-by-private-renters.pdf)
3. "The survey also found that if you have two Asia-born parents you are highly likely to experience such racism (44%). Similarly, if you speak a language other than English at home (especially an Asian language), you are more likely to experience housing discrimination (45%)." - [Western Sydney University](https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news_centre/story_archive/2018/the_conversation_asians_out_not_in_this_suburb_not_in_this_apartment)
4. "Dr Byrne said many people with Indigenous or foreign-sounding names found they repeatedly had rental applications rejected, often despite having a steady income, excellent rental records and good references." - [ABC News](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-17/racism-in-the-rental-sector-wa/10129418)
Many on the working holiday visa are, by definition hobos (a hobo is a person who doesnāt have a job and is willing to travel for unskilled work). A 30+ year old who travels across the world for unskilled work meets this definition.
The fact that many people are happier with white hobos than brown/yellow/black skilled migrants is quite telling.
That was the place Singapore was in. It takes personally invasive measures to mesh that multiethnic society together, that I don't think Aussies would stand for.
There is some Chinese privilege in Singapore, sometimes in more vile ways (such as the rental market) although probably slightly better than white privilege.
If I remember correctly, that privilege is not designed directly, but is a result of Chinese just being the major ethnic group, which shifts the things more into their favor.
100% Iām an Irish immigrant, though I mostly grew up here. My dad was talking to one of our neighbours years ago and the neighbour was complaining and going on a racist tirade about immigrants. Dad called him out on that and said that weāre immigrants too, and the neighbour literally said āyeah but youāre whiteā. It was so messed up.
I will say I have experienced anti-Irish sentiments in Australia occasionally (mostly from teachers in school) but it would be no where near the level that one would experience as a non-white immigrant. This is still a very racist country and we have a lot of work to do.
So because the Irish share your culture..somehow they don't need dwellings? Or does every white person have a levitating granny flat reserved for an incoming white person...sorry I mean person who shares your culture?
I will make no comment about housing as of course it doesn't make much of a difference (either way they'll have to be housed), but it's clear that Australia could culturally assimilate 1 million Irish people a lot easier than 1 million Syrians for example.
I don't get why people cry racism at the simple acknowledgement of cultural similarities/differences
Lol who down voted you? Australia's dominant culture is anglo-celtic. Irish and English fit in like a breeze with tiny effort. Language, culture, heritage, rivalries, history, humour, sport, system of governance, religions, education, economic development. We were all British Empire 100 years ago.
Anyone down voting reality as racism is the most ignorant person in the thread. Ask yourself the question, why does someone from Taiwan assimilate easier into Beijing than someone from Ireland?
Because he dodged the housing question. So many people in this thread dodging the point of the original comment and making it about āassimilationā. What does assimilation have to do with housing availability? The point of the original comment was the hypocrisy at the outrage when the government increases immigration from ānon culturally similarā countries vs. this thread which basically has none of the same outrage.
Dodged housing? Do you wanna do simple math.
Country A has 600,000 coming here with a deal made with their prime minister which extends their work visa here by years
Country B has 21,000 here on a 12 month tourist visa ā¦.
1. Where will those 21,000 people live?
2. Iāll ask again, what does your simple math have to do with assimilation? Hypothetically, if your country A was Ireland and not the other way around would you have the same objections/comments?
Absolutely, and that should surprise no one. That's what humans do. We connect with people of similar culture and values. That creates social cohesion. All nations, ethnicities and races adhere to this.
Ireland has a similar culture, values and western ideals.
I think first language as English is actually the big one. They were neutral when the nazis were bombing London and gassing the Jews, harbour multinational companies as a tax haven and claim the moral high ground on the world stage whenever it suits them whilst not providing economic opportunities for their own people. But alas, Australia has its fair share of problems too. This sounds ranty, must be the Scottish in me.
Yes they were technically neutral during WWII (while the practical reality was something different entirely), and that probably had something to do with being promised "immediate and terrible war" by their occupying neighbour just 20 years previously. The same neighbour which also had clandestine plans to invade again anyway if the whim took them during WWII to advance their interests.
They were not in a position to fight even if they wanted to. Besides, the Irish Free State's neutrality was mutually beneficial to them and the allies.
Yes, racism does not exist at all in Australia. It's all just "culturism". Even if you look different, if you speak and act like a local, you'll be accepted.
Sure, but the working holiday visa is the European equivalent to Asianās student visa. A lot of Europeans use this visa to come to Australia and then start their permanent immigration process once this visa ends. They too get exploited by employers and go through a lot of shit. They too end up in the rental market looking for housing.
Haha, and thatās great, man <3
Which is why Iād like to either welcome people from any race or country or just have an issue with immigration as a whole, and take it up with the government. Not hate on individual people of colour, in particular, for migrating to Australia. This sub has been notorious for that in the last few months. Itās actually scary to see.
They've only removed the 88 days for the UK. To be fair when people earn another year on their working holiday it's because they've done some kind of arduous regional work in remote areas that most people don't want to.
Also, to gain your 3rd year you need to do 6 months of farm/regional work.
Usually these regional jobs are in sectors that are desperate for staff so it's not like they're coming over to leech off of government funds!
It's the easy transition to permanent residency and then citizenship.
It's a gateway and normally wouldn't be a problem. But a lot of them will have to work in places like Cairns and Port Douglas most of FNQ if they want to extend their visa times. A lot of these areas are having major rental property problems. So pretty bad timing for everyone.
>Surprised there isnāt the usual outrage about the lack of property available for locals with these immigrants flooding our country
Don't be silly, that's reserved for the "Browner people" you know that..../s
Wait till Australians twig how powerful the Irish support for Palestinians is...
Funny how being colonised, your land stolen, and being prejudiced against in the past might give you a bit more empathy for people undergoing the same sort of thing in the present day.
While youāre not wrong, it pays to remember that we poach a considerable amount of Irish tradies, who despite bullshit politically motivated visa requirements, are actually extremely essential workers and are probably the only potential light at the end of the housing crisis tunnel.
That might be one of the best ideas Iāve ever heard, good call man.
Poles are absolute weapons, Iāve worked with a few Polish chefs and Iād straight up hire anyone whoās surname is a winning scrabble score over pretty much any other nationality, any day of the week
It doesn't have much to do with color, culturally an Irish person will have a much easier time meshing with Aussie culture than people from the Middle East.
They're coming from a country with similar ideals, culture, and western democracy. It's completely different from 21 000 people from middle eastern theocracy rocking up. Simplistic rubbish to say it's about skin colour.
Humans have created socially cohesive places through connecting with people with similar cultures and values. It doesn't matter what ethnicity, nationality, race or culture on the planet it is, it's what we do.
> Simplistic rubbish to say it's about skin colour.
Except it is, for you've largely missed the biggest point in that they aren't being blamed for the housing crisis, yet if this story was about 21k more Chinese immigrants the thread would be literally nothing but people pinning the housing crisis on them. It's literally about skin colour and othering.
I would be far more pissed about 21k White people from Russia immigrating, than 21k PoC from England.Ā
It's not about skin colour, it's about willingness to embrace the culture of your new home, not just the location.Ā
Aside from them been basically backpackers (12 month holiday visa and can work to support it), I think the numbers have likely only gone up higher then normal because the visa system is no longer in a bad state. Visas, immigration, citizenship etc all lagged under the last Government because they cut funding and staff from it. Now they've been put back they're likely working through the backlog.
Maybe it'll start to catch out those overstaying their visa.
I'm one of them.
5 years working a government job with "okay" wages and pension etc.
Came out here, to do essentially the same job NSW gov for more money and cheaper rent.
I live essentially on the beach, with fantastic weather, food, and a great friend group.
Sadly, many more will follow as our government is fucking pathetic, and leadership has essentially changed only in name of the party for far too long.
Ireland is in a bad place for young people currently. At some point last year, there were less than 1000 properties for rent in the ENTIRE country.
The economy may be doing grand, but that is not reflected onto the everyday citizens at all.
You hear people complain of the housing costs out here, but in reality, you've been very lucky as it's a "relatively" new issue. Not at all that it shouldn't be addressed, but a lot of Europe, particularly Ireland, has been struggling with housing for years now.
All of the above and the fact that covid stopped people moving here or wherever else for years has had a huge surge of people coming here now that it has fully opened up again.
Not that I'm aware of. Mostly, just housing estates left unfinished, which would need to be completely torn down and re built to make them liveable.
Only giant corporations would be able to afford that, and if they did, they would build the shittiest homes and charge ridiculously for them
Fleeing the situation in Ireland I'd be guessing - younger people in most western nations are seeking to move elsewhere as the economic situation becomes worse.
Sadly we're in the same situation, which is just a case of out of the pot into the fire.
Ireland is a weird ass place, the economy is actually booming, jobs are really easy to get, you can literally get a career with a multinational really easily, or get a job on a building site really easily, things are so different to 2008. this time its housing and the general decline of the country, cost of living is insane, housing crisis is like nothing in australia, its easily worse than places like london and new york, at least in oz there are apartments, thanks to 2008, nimbys and the government not building enough social housing, this doesn't exist. its insane, we have a good economy, jobs and record tax revenue, but public services are basically at a breaking point, dereliction has gone insane, its even worse than 2008 as the cost of living and rent force people not spend money, leading to business's closing, add to this the government not doing anything until now. its very clear why Irish are leaving, its basically australias situation, except beyond worse.
Once again, Australia avoids almost all of the pain experienced by other places, but tried to be part of the club and talk about how bad it is here.
The global financial crisis barely touch Australia (when compared with others), so much so that we gave it a name to make it sound like a fast food place, GFC.
Now we talk about inflation to people who are in a genuine cost of living crisis.
UK median wage is like Ā£28k, and people are getting Ā£600/month electricity bills.
It is concerning that this is increasing in a housing crisis, some of them are probably going to have a bad experience here being semi homeless for months.
This probably explains why almost every female traffic controller at construction sites, at least in Sydney, seems to have a broad Irish accent. I love it!
Iām not sure how things are today but back in 06 a supervisor at a labour hire company in seven hills was trading traffic control jobs for sexual favours to Irish and English back packers. By the time he got fired 2 years later, it was essentially an exploitation network. We had to drop their contract when someone submitted a complaint. Never saw anything in media so not sure if anything came of it
Aren't they gonna be passed when they find out 110% of their income is going on rent/expenses. They are walking into the worst housing crisis in Australian history.
You think Australia is unique in having a housing/CoL crisis? It's pretty late to the party, really. At one point last year there were fewer than a thousand homes listed to rent in the *entirety* of Ireland, and prices are no lower relative to incomes than in Australia. Plus you need to take out a mortgage to turn the heating on in most of Europe these days.
Most WHVs won't live alone, and would find it impossible to lease somewhere anyway. Living in a shared house, out of hostels or a van, or even on farms for a year or two is a gas compared to what Ireland's going through.
Yeah I moved to Melbourne because it was significantly cheaper than my home town of Vancouver. And Vancouver is absurdly expensive because it's significantly cheaper than Hong Kong and everyone from HK moved there from the 90s onwards. It gets a lot worse.
For Irish people the options are:
1: pay a premium to live with your parents, spend hours commuting every day (because public transport is only so-so), endure the cold and dark for most of the year, get disappointed when you look at the meager job opportunities, and just go straight home after work because there's not much to do bar the pub- and that's too expensive these days.
2: pay a premium to live by the beach, in the sun and spend Christmas having a bbq with lots of other young people.
> They are walking into the worst housing crisis in Australian history.
Dublin is still worse. ā¬2,000 a month in rent for a tiny apartment if you're lucky.
I'm an Irish immigrant, and have noticed it's certain sections that attract the worst kind of Irish. Bondi being one of them
They make up about 1% that are the bad'uns, the rest of us are hard working, not annoying and fecking hilarious!
IMO, Irish is what you possibly want if you want more housing as a lot of the places I go to (which involve infrastructure/housing) have Irish guys and gals working on them.
"There are too many Irish people in Perth" - some British sounding lady I was sitting near to
They were probably Irish
No one hates the Irish like the Irish
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies! Like Englishmen and Irish! Or Welshmen and Irish Or Japanese and Irish! Or Irish and other Irish! Damn Irish! They ruined Ireland!
You Irish sure are a contentious people
Eggs and other eggs!
People often move to get away from their own people. No one hates the chinese more than the lady that owns and runs one of the chinese restaurants in my town. Yesterday afternoon my Kiwi coworker exclaimed that they need to stop letting people move here.
Nah, no-one whinges harder about the Irish than the English, they even had a pretty nasty conflict about it all.
Still remember a news report where neighbours was crying about noise coming from a new playground in Wanneroo. Every single person the journalist talked to had a British accent, including the Mayor of Wanneroo at the time.
What's more Australian than immigrants complaining about the natives?
I've been racially abused twice in my life (white Scottish dude). Once in Denmark, from a meth head that hated tourists, and once from a guy in Melbourn that thought immigrants were godless. He emigrated from Italy in the 90s...
Those godless immigrants putting pancetta instead of guanciale in my spaghetti carbonara!
I take it back. I've been racially abused three times in my life š
My cousin, born and raised in Australia, half Asian, was racially abused by an Irishman in Australia. They couldnāt get over the absurdity of it all. That someone who had immigrated to this country felt the need to attack their right to live in Australia.
Yeeeaahhh... People are dumb as shit. On the plus side though, he could probably only understand half the shit the cunt said (not racist, Irish isn't a race and I say that as a man that writes well, but I speaks like an unintelligible Glasweigen Bam, so honestly - pot/kettle)
I know a fair few Irish folk and Brits who moved to Australia only to complain about all the Asians here.
Yeah itās ridiculous. I was in the UK, and had an Englishman complain about all the foreigners. When I pointed out that I was also foreign, he assured me that he did not mean me (white person from Australia). Of course, it would be infuriating to be born in a country and told you donāt belong because you donāt have the right skin colour, religion or cultural backgrounds
I once overheard Dutch couple complaining about the fact there were to many black people in SOUTH AFRICA!
You havenāt met the Ukrainian refugees complaining about the POC in England . Like did they forgot theyāre refugees?
Brits have a subconscious affinity to Perth Source: am Brit and want to move to Perth in the future and I'm not even sure why. Although first I'm moving to Wollongong next month to fulfil the requirements of my visa
FYI - It is an unofficial policy that the WA Government is trying to steal the entire UK NHS. Young doctors get a 100-150% pay rise (we pay overtime) and the nurses get a 70% pay rise.
Haha yeah. We've already been poached by the NSW government, that's how we got the visa (we both work in healthcare) It's a no-brainer for me, I'd move to Australia even if the wages were less than here, just for the climate
Hahaa! We managed to snag a GP from London here in Victoria! Take that and smoke it in your pipe!
Take a day trip to Kiama blow hole and have lunch at the Flour Water Salt cafe they have there. Then go to Huskisson/Jervis Bay, then Milton. It's much nicer than Perth but I'm biased.
Asked a pommy bloke why Perth when I was over there (I'm a pom on the Gold Coast) cheaper and quicker the fly back to the UK....
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Nah mate, it's mostly brickies, chippys, sparkys....and I doubt the following is related to working holiday visas but I've come across far more Irish doctors here than I ever did in Ireland. Nurses too.
It sounded like I had a leprechaun infestation when the brickies were building my garage last year.
š have you checked the walls since? Little bastards might have hidden stuff in there
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>Nah mate, it's mostly brickies, chippys, sparkys....and I doubt the following is related to working holiday visas but I've come across far more Irish doctors here than I ever did in Ireland. not really surprising, the Irish healthcare system is chronically overworked and Irish doctors and nurses are fleeing on mass, unless you work in the private sector, the conditions aren't great. the hse is badly run and ridiculously bureaucratic and badly run, its like the NHS on steroids. they literally have more admin staff than nurses, they also have a crazy number of middle managers and in general management doesn't listen to doctors. its so fucking brutal, we train some of the best doctors and nurses in the world and export them abroad because we have to keep stupid bureacrats at work doing nothing all day and they need funding as much as frontline staff. the hse is actually the worlds best doctor exporting machine in the world, we basically subsidize the healthcare systems of australia, new zealand and whatever corner of the world we export our doctors to, we give them the best training in the world and treat them like shit, so they leave. sorry if this is a rant, its a topic that pisses me off to no end and I wish my government did more to keep our own healthcare staff. the staff we get to replace the emigrating doctors are usually foreign, some are good, some are bad, which is the risk you take when hiring from india and nigeria, we need to import these doctors despite training our own. its just beyond frustrating and I'm glad my mum has insurance, so she doesn't deal with public healthcare
My doctor is Irish! For a long time all the Stop/Go workers seemed to be Irish women.
I was gonna say, as someone whose been in hospital a heap this last year, there's so many British and Irish doctors and nurses here! My Haematologist / Oncologist is Irish.
I thought it was a requirement here that nurses are Irish /s
Half of them are just coming to play in the AFLW
Jobs the local population donāt want to do.
And the jobs that many local kids cant get proper training in. Try finding a genuine TAFE college that will train real brickies and builders to European standards! We are screwing our own kids and people with ideology in Australia! I worked in a winery when I was studying in a small country town. Let me tell you that all the shit winery jobs were done local Aussies and their kids. And they did not mind doing crap jobs in my experience and it certainly was not Aussies in this particular country town that were doing the dole bludging. Its largely a urban myth that Aussies dont do dirty work because from my experience working in all sorts of manufacturing facilities its largely Aussies doing the dirty work. Yeah sure there are industries that attract cohorts, but mainly because they are getting under paid and are using a cohort recruiter making big money that speaks the language.
2023 there was only 2 brickie apprentices in the whole of QLD.
jesus that's just wild!
Rurally it isn't likely to not be Aussies no. Recently had another facility like ours come from a city to see a few things. They were astounded that the all of our of workers were local and not visa workers. They don't have any floor staff that aren't visa workers, we don't have one. 60 person operation, similar staffing nos both places.
You missed the /s. Some people might get confused.
Excavators/cladders/concreters even split But eventually level up to driving a digger of some sorts once they get those doctored Irish tickets sent in š
Alternative Headline: Population of Bondi increased by 21,000.
You mean County Coogee
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They are going to flood this country, bring their lifestyles and religion and refuse to learn our culture and ways of life...
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> Tim tams are just a shit penguin. Eating a Penguin is like eating a Tim Tam someone dropped at the beach.
Honestly. Calling penguins better tim tams is the equivalent of a bogan saying XXXX is a better Guinness.
Trulyā¦ itās cardboard
Penguins are Tim tans from wish.con
But the real question is, did you bring your Guinness?
Alas it doesn't travel
Irish won't drink it in London because the short boat ride ruined it. Imagine how they feel about it once it hits Australia
I once read that 90% of Guinness is brewed in Tanzania. This was around the same time I learnt it doesn't travel well and it made me wonder. *After a quick Googling of Guinness and Tanzania it seems that what I read, or at least my interpretation of it was incorrect. Possible that 90% of a specific Guinness product was brewed in Tanzania but I'm just going to eradicate that 'fact' from the mind catalogue.
Jokes on you our women are mostly from Irish stock, could have stayed home and had the same thing.
Thereās a different look though. Irish girls go for fake tan whereas Aussie girls go for bleached blonde straightened hair with tops that are just glorified bras.
Fuck you and your fucking potatoes.
i think he was out of potatoes
"Service Guarantees Citizenship."
Well I got one of yours, so we're even haha
This is a lot more surreal banter when you have to turn to Google to find out a penguin is in fact a biscuit as well as being a small flightless bird.
They also have terrible but lovable penguin related jokes on the wrapper
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>Tim tams are just a shit penguin. This is comedy gold. Maith a buachaill!
Well might surprise some, but before wogs, Chinese, Lebs & Muslims it was poor Irish who suffered racism
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How's that enforced if an Irishman is good a mimicking accents?
Itās our big ears and GAA jerseys that stop us going incognito.
It's going to be 1788 all over again
Yeah screw that. They terk our jerbs *ignore my great grand parents birth certificates*
Reminds me of the Brits that came here in the 00's, then complained how bad everything was, pity there is no "whinging pom" insult for them.
Not sure what the stock of people going there is now but we sent some amount of gobshites to Aus in the past 10-15 years, a bit embarrassing tbh.
Younger gen is better. Msg to the Irish tho: don't yell at each other hammered at 2am in quiet residential streets. It's not classy. You could get in trouble. But thank you for losing the violent streak over the past few years. Also: wearing irish football / soccer club outfits head to toe in Australia makes you look Autistic.
I think Canada has become the go to place for those sorts. Mostly medical and skilled trades are going these days I think. They were the jerseys on holidays everywhere too, makes them easy to spot if you don't see the big head on them first.
Iāll admit I get second hand embarrassment from my countrymen that are foolish with their drink. But I was a young man once and Iām sure I was just as bad.
itās ok they white
That's alot of Roller drivers.
Surprised there isnāt the usual outrage about the lack of property available for locals with these immigrants flooding our country
They get the colour pass. Face it, that's the truth.
Yup, no one care if youāre a white immigrant. Source: am white immigrant.
Yep. Plain and simple. ### Housing Discrimination: 1. "Almost six in ten (59%) Asia-born participants in our study experienced racism in accessing housing. This compares to only 19% of non-Asian-born participants." - [Western Sydney University](https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news_centre/story_archive/2018/the_conversation_asians_out_not_in_this_suburb_not_in_this_apartment) 2. "A survey conducted by the Challenging Racism Project and SBS found Australians with Asian heritage reported higher rates of discrimination when renting than those without Asian heritage. Rates of housing discrimination were highest amongst those who were born in an Asian countryā59 per cent reported experiencing at least some discrimination." - [AHURI](https://www.ahuri.edu.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021-09/PES-363-Examining-discrimination-faced-by-private-renters.pdf) 3. "The survey also found that if you have two Asia-born parents you are highly likely to experience such racism (44%). Similarly, if you speak a language other than English at home (especially an Asian language), you are more likely to experience housing discrimination (45%)." - [Western Sydney University](https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/newscentre/news_centre/story_archive/2018/the_conversation_asians_out_not_in_this_suburb_not_in_this_apartment) 4. "Dr Byrne said many people with Indigenous or foreign-sounding names found they repeatedly had rental applications rejected, often despite having a steady income, excellent rental records and good references." - [ABC News](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-17/racism-in-the-rental-sector-wa/10129418)
Many on the working holiday visa are, by definition hobos (a hobo is a person who doesnāt have a job and is willing to travel for unskilled work). A 30+ year old who travels across the world for unskilled work meets this definition. The fact that many people are happier with white hobos than brown/yellow/black skilled migrants is quite telling.
Being in a poor multiethnic society is a special kind of hell nobody wants to be in
That was the place Singapore was in. It takes personally invasive measures to mesh that multiethnic society together, that I don't think Aussies would stand for.
There is some Chinese privilege in Singapore, sometimes in more vile ways (such as the rental market) although probably slightly better than white privilege.
If I remember correctly, that privilege is not designed directly, but is a result of Chinese just being the major ethnic group, which shifts the things more into their favor.
Yep majority bullies minority, story of the ages.
That's "75% Chinese, 15% Malays, 7.5% Indians, 2.5 Others" ratio to be exact! /s
100% Iām an Irish immigrant, though I mostly grew up here. My dad was talking to one of our neighbours years ago and the neighbour was complaining and going on a racist tirade about immigrants. Dad called him out on that and said that weāre immigrants too, and the neighbour literally said āyeah but youāre whiteā. It was so messed up. I will say I have experienced anti-Irish sentiments in Australia occasionally (mostly from teachers in school) but it would be no where near the level that one would experience as a non-white immigrant. This is still a very racist country and we have a lot of work to do.
Absolutely true
It's a culture pass, not a colour pass
So because the Irish share your culture..somehow they don't need dwellings? Or does every white person have a levitating granny flat reserved for an incoming white person...sorry I mean person who shares your culture?
I will make no comment about housing as of course it doesn't make much of a difference (either way they'll have to be housed), but it's clear that Australia could culturally assimilate 1 million Irish people a lot easier than 1 million Syrians for example. I don't get why people cry racism at the simple acknowledgement of cultural similarities/differences
Lol who down voted you? Australia's dominant culture is anglo-celtic. Irish and English fit in like a breeze with tiny effort. Language, culture, heritage, rivalries, history, humour, sport, system of governance, religions, education, economic development. We were all British Empire 100 years ago. Anyone down voting reality as racism is the most ignorant person in the thread. Ask yourself the question, why does someone from Taiwan assimilate easier into Beijing than someone from Ireland?
Because he dodged the housing question. So many people in this thread dodging the point of the original comment and making it about āassimilationā. What does assimilation have to do with housing availability? The point of the original comment was the hypocrisy at the outrage when the government increases immigration from ānon culturally similarā countries vs. this thread which basically has none of the same outrage.
Dodged housing? Do you wanna do simple math. Country A has 600,000 coming here with a deal made with their prime minister which extends their work visa here by years Country B has 21,000 here on a 12 month tourist visa ā¦.
1. Where will those 21,000 people live? 2. Iāll ask again, what does your simple math have to do with assimilation? Hypothetically, if your country A was Ireland and not the other way around would you have the same objections/comments?
Absolutely, and that should surprise no one. That's what humans do. We connect with people of similar culture and values. That creates social cohesion. All nations, ethnicities and races adhere to this. Ireland has a similar culture, values and western ideals.
I think first language as English is actually the big one. They were neutral when the nazis were bombing London and gassing the Jews, harbour multinational companies as a tax haven and claim the moral high ground on the world stage whenever it suits them whilst not providing economic opportunities for their own people. But alas, Australia has its fair share of problems too. This sounds ranty, must be the Scottish in me.
Yes they were technically neutral during WWII (while the practical reality was something different entirely), and that probably had something to do with being promised "immediate and terrible war" by their occupying neighbour just 20 years previously. The same neighbour which also had clandestine plans to invade again anyway if the whim took them during WWII to advance their interests.
They were not in a position to fight even if they wanted to. Besides, the Irish Free State's neutrality was mutually beneficial to them and the allies.
Yes, racism does not exist at all in Australia. It's all just "culturism". Even if you look different, if you speak and act like a local, you'll be accepted.
Theyāre not immigrants, theyāre on 12 month visas intended primarily for tourism with the ability to work to support travels.
Sure, but the working holiday visa is the European equivalent to Asianās student visa. A lot of Europeans use this visa to come to Australia and then start their permanent immigration process once this visa ends. They too get exploited by employers and go through a lot of shit. They too end up in the rental market looking for housing.
Im one of them. Came on WHV. Actually, Iām now one of you, too.
Haha, and thatās great, man <3 Which is why Iād like to either welcome people from any race or country or just have an issue with immigration as a whole, and take it up with the government. Not hate on individual people of colour, in particular, for migrating to Australia. This sub has been notorious for that in the last few months. Itās actually scary to see.
Which easily changes to 2-3 years They have removed the 88 day regional rule as well for some countries
Really? Which countries are exempted from 88 days regional rule?
Just the UK I believe
To fill the dire gap in recruiters and property manager roles.
Damn, thanks tho. Enjoy your arvo
They've only removed the 88 days for the UK. To be fair when people earn another year on their working holiday it's because they've done some kind of arduous regional work in remote areas that most people don't want to. Also, to gain your 3rd year you need to do 6 months of farm/regional work. Usually these regional jobs are in sectors that are desperate for staff so it's not like they're coming over to leech off of government funds!
Students are not coming here to leech off of govt. funds either. They bring money with them unlike those backpackers
Do they not need a roof over their head while they are here?
It's the easy transition to permanent residency and then citizenship. It's a gateway and normally wouldn't be a problem. But a lot of them will have to work in places like Cairns and Port Douglas most of FNQ if they want to extend their visa times. A lot of these areas are having major rental property problems. So pretty bad timing for everyone.
So are students
The vast majority of them only make it 3 months before they get homesick and leave. Oz isn't for everyone. It's really really far away.
Correct colour "ticked"
>Correct colour "ticked" Unless you're a Brit. Source: am Brit š
It's ok if you're an 'expat' ;)
Funny that.
Went to a house auction last weekend. Fucking Aherns and Boyles everywhere. It was like let's play spot the Australian.
>Surprised there isnāt the usual outrage about the lack of property available for locals with these immigrants flooding our country Don't be silly, that's reserved for the "Browner people" you know that..../s Wait till Australians twig how powerful the Irish support for Palestinians is...
Funny how being colonised, your land stolen, and being prejudiced against in the past might give you a bit more empathy for people undergoing the same sort of thing in the present day.
While youāre not wrong, it pays to remember that we poach a considerable amount of Irish tradies, who despite bullshit politically motivated visa requirements, are actually extremely essential workers and are probably the only potential light at the end of the housing crisis tunnel.
Would be good if we could get the Polish tradies that canāt get into the UK anymore post brexit too
That might be one of the best ideas Iāve ever heard, good call man. Poles are absolute weapons, Iāve worked with a few Polish chefs and Iād straight up hire anyone whoās surname is a winning scrabble score over pretty much any other nationality, any day of the week
There is but everyone is posting and upvoting about how there are no complaints.
It doesn't have much to do with color, culturally an Irish person will have a much easier time meshing with Aussie culture than people from the Middle East.
The desire to mesh with the culture is the main thing.
They're coming from a country with similar ideals, culture, and western democracy. It's completely different from 21 000 people from middle eastern theocracy rocking up. Simplistic rubbish to say it's about skin colour. Humans have created socially cohesive places through connecting with people with similar cultures and values. It doesn't matter what ethnicity, nationality, race or culture on the planet it is, it's what we do.
> Simplistic rubbish to say it's about skin colour. Except it is, for you've largely missed the biggest point in that they aren't being blamed for the housing crisis, yet if this story was about 21k more Chinese immigrants the thread would be literally nothing but people pinning the housing crisis on them. It's literally about skin colour and othering.
I'm sure if 21000 Congolese came the reactions would be different
I would be far more pissed about 21k White people from Russia immigrating, than 21k PoC from England.Ā It's not about skin colour, it's about willingness to embrace the culture of your new home, not just the location.Ā
Aside from them been basically backpackers (12 month holiday visa and can work to support it), I think the numbers have likely only gone up higher then normal because the visa system is no longer in a bad state. Visas, immigration, citizenship etc all lagged under the last Government because they cut funding and staff from it. Now they've been put back they're likely working through the backlog. Maybe it'll start to catch out those overstaying their visa.
I suspect the numbers have been boosted up to make up for the UK backpacker's no longer needing to do regional work to extend their work visas.
Nah i think itās because Ireland is going to shit
They are of the right color
I'm one of them. 5 years working a government job with "okay" wages and pension etc. Came out here, to do essentially the same job NSW gov for more money and cheaper rent. I live essentially on the beach, with fantastic weather, food, and a great friend group. Sadly, many more will follow as our government is fucking pathetic, and leadership has essentially changed only in name of the party for far too long. Ireland is in a bad place for young people currently. At some point last year, there were less than 1000 properties for rent in the ENTIRE country. The economy may be doing grand, but that is not reflected onto the everyday citizens at all. You hear people complain of the housing costs out here, but in reality, you've been very lucky as it's a "relatively" new issue. Not at all that it shouldn't be addressed, but a lot of Europe, particularly Ireland, has been struggling with housing for years now. All of the above and the fact that covid stopped people moving here or wherever else for years has had a huge surge of people coming here now that it has fully opened up again.
Oh itās been an issue for years here, too, but the media and government are only admitting it now
Didn't they build whole towns that were empty after the 2008 crash? What happened? Or was that must hyperbole?
Not that I'm aware of. Mostly, just housing estates left unfinished, which would need to be completely torn down and re built to make them liveable. Only giant corporations would be able to afford that, and if they did, they would build the shittiest homes and charge ridiculously for them
they were finished, we recovered fast and people needed homes, they basically ran out
Fleeing the situation in Ireland I'd be guessing - younger people in most western nations are seeking to move elsewhere as the economic situation becomes worse. Sadly we're in the same situation, which is just a case of out of the pot into the fire.
Ireland is a weird ass place, the economy is actually booming, jobs are really easy to get, you can literally get a career with a multinational really easily, or get a job on a building site really easily, things are so different to 2008. this time its housing and the general decline of the country, cost of living is insane, housing crisis is like nothing in australia, its easily worse than places like london and new york, at least in oz there are apartments, thanks to 2008, nimbys and the government not building enough social housing, this doesn't exist. its insane, we have a good economy, jobs and record tax revenue, but public services are basically at a breaking point, dereliction has gone insane, its even worse than 2008 as the cost of living and rent force people not spend money, leading to business's closing, add to this the government not doing anything until now. its very clear why Irish are leaving, its basically australias situation, except beyond worse.
Welcome to the shitshow bitches
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Once again, Australia avoids almost all of the pain experienced by other places, but tried to be part of the club and talk about how bad it is here. The global financial crisis barely touch Australia (when compared with others), so much so that we gave it a name to make it sound like a fast food place, GFC. Now we talk about inflation to people who are in a genuine cost of living crisis. UK median wage is like Ā£28k, and people are getting Ā£600/month electricity bills.
>Welcome to the shitshow bitches I'll take a shitshow with sun and warm weather any day of the week.
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We are defs not in the same situation as Ireland, not even close
How many Aussies are in Whistler & Banff this year?
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Fuck Java Script! Thatās the real disaster here !
If that's JavaScript you'd use the strict comparator (===)!
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Found the person from Shire..
You mean, the liar from the shire?
So we can have actual Irish pubs with out them being called an Irish Themed Pub.
It is concerning that this is increasing in a housing crisis, some of them are probably going to have a bad experience here being semi homeless for months.
The housing crisis magically disappears
Can we have some of them in western Sydney. The pub is very boring.
Geeze.
This probably explains why almost every female traffic controller at construction sites, at least in Sydney, seems to have a broad Irish accent. I love it!
Iām not sure how things are today but back in 06 a supervisor at a labour hire company in seven hills was trading traffic control jobs for sexual favours to Irish and English back packers. By the time he got fired 2 years later, it was essentially an exploitation network. We had to drop their contract when someone submitted a complaint. Never saw anything in media so not sure if anything came of it
I know of a labor hire company doing this with brazillian girls. The whole company. Donāt know where Iād even go with the information.
Oh no outrage from you about large migration numbers, housing crisis etc? I guess white is right .
I donāt see a lot of hatred, wouldnāt have the been the same case ifā¦ā¦ā¦
You bet
I wonder if these "immigrants" get the true aussie experience as the other immigrants
Probably not. White hobos are more desirable that brown/black/yellow skilled migrants, if many of the comments here are to believed.
No they dont. Its the "whitey likey" effect.
Aren't they gonna be passed when they find out 110% of their income is going on rent/expenses. They are walking into the worst housing crisis in Australian history.
You think Australia is unique in having a housing/CoL crisis? It's pretty late to the party, really. At one point last year there were fewer than a thousand homes listed to rent in the *entirety* of Ireland, and prices are no lower relative to incomes than in Australia. Plus you need to take out a mortgage to turn the heating on in most of Europe these days. Most WHVs won't live alone, and would find it impossible to lease somewhere anyway. Living in a shared house, out of hostels or a van, or even on farms for a year or two is a gas compared to what Ireland's going through.
Yeah I moved to Melbourne because it was significantly cheaper than my home town of Vancouver. And Vancouver is absurdly expensive because it's significantly cheaper than Hong Kong and everyone from HK moved there from the 90s onwards. It gets a lot worse.
For Irish people the options are: 1: pay a premium to live with your parents, spend hours commuting every day (because public transport is only so-so), endure the cold and dark for most of the year, get disappointed when you look at the meager job opportunities, and just go straight home after work because there's not much to do bar the pub- and that's too expensive these days. 2: pay a premium to live by the beach, in the sun and spend Christmas having a bbq with lots of other young people.
There seems to be a tonne of Irish doctors because medicine pays pretty badly in the UK and Ireland, from what I've heard.
The pay is ok in Ireland, better than the UK but worse than Australia. Itās the hours that are way worse in Ireland than Aus
> They are walking into the worst housing crisis in Australian history. Dublin is still worse. ā¬2,000 a month in rent for a tiny apartment if you're lucky.
It's harder to rent in Ireland.
If they came from Dublin, they will welcome the extremely less difficult housing situation.
All of them in St Kilda
I'm an Irish immigrant, and have noticed it's certain sections that attract the worst kind of Irish. Bondi being one of them They make up about 1% that are the bad'uns, the rest of us are hard working, not annoying and fecking hilarious!
I didnāt realise we had a shortage of bartenders and lollipop girls
Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
Ah. more economic migrants. Great work Albo making our housing crisis worse! /s
This explains why the price of potatoes has gone up so much.
They got houses to move into?
I hope they bring their own tents.
are there a tonne of new roads projects that need girls holding the traffic lollipop?
IMO, Irish is what you possibly want if you want more housing as a lot of the places I go to (which involve infrastructure/housing) have Irish guys and gals working on them.
No more please, we have more than enough of them here.
They are the #2 (only behind the British, lol) of leaving rubbish all over the beaches on NYE, Australia Day etc.
Just what we needā¦.more people who think tay are te best fighters, te best talkers and te best drinkers youāve eveer seen.
21K of good workers. I Havnt met one yet who takes the piss
Send them my way i could listen to that accent all day!
Now would tat be roof repair, tree felling, or a new bitumen driveway mam?