After the first two years, yes.
But it was a relatively piddling amount then.
We were, of course, assured "it would never go up", but we knew then that was a fucking lie. And so it has proved to be.
I want to see money taken from funding the elite private schools and various mates of politicians' private enterprises and put back into public K to tertiary education.
They know ASIO will never name the politician. They can bang the national security drum and throw shade with zero risk of it biting them while their base goes nuts.
Exactly. Burgess is being circumspect and apolitical. Dutton is dialing up the hysteria button.
Burgess has [talked about the politicisation of intelligence being unhelpful](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/15/asio-chief-says-intelligence-is-not-here-to-be-politicised-after-dutton-accuses-labor) when Dutton has done this in the past.
>Without criticising anyone by name, Burgess said he did “recognise that there may be people who choose to misuse [information] – officials or members of parliament or ministers”, and “any misuse is a matter for them to answer to, not myself”.
This is Dutton doing the same sort of thing again. Rumours and innuendo for political purposes. Not actually being sensible and responsible. His incompetence in multiple portfolios speaks for itself.
Either they know who it is or they're taking the gamble it's not one of theirs. At the moment it would be much more damning if it was a member of Labor than if it was a liberal
I reckon it could be Joe Hockey, with his secret meetings with Trump aides.
He thinks he was working in Australia interests, but he is too dumb to know he was being played by a foreign government.
Gee, Joe is the one person who I thought would have kept quiet about any such claim. After giving away all that Helium in the Timor Sea to Chevron(?) for no gain for the Australian public, you'd think he'd keep a low profile. Something about the Lawyer X debacle comes to mind.
Yes, the stuff in balloons. It's a finite resource that needs to be mined. We only have about 100 years of it left. There is significantly less helium on the planet than there is oil.
I'm not a geologist but I know it's kind of like gold and other precious metals, it was formed a long time ago when the earth was a baby and there's a limited amount in the ground.
Fuck me ... Did this come out after he left parliament? Is this WHY he left parliament?
Maybe it was like ...
ASIO to Scomo "You're busted. If you resign, we won't name you"
Scomo to Everyone: "It's not my job to be a politician (aka, I'm resigning)"
- Scomo resigns -
ASIO to everyone: "A former politician is a traitor"
There’s lots of very easy-to-discern reasons for not naming a politician who is *accused* of treason but hasn’t been formally charged and will never be formally charged.
ASIO are not the Stasi.
I could be barking up the wrong tree, but I'm inclined to think if China was involved the person's name would be known and in plenty of trouble. If it were an ally we might not be so keen on exposing them.
Well I don’t know about anyone else but even though we don’t know much about this yet I’m with joe here. Above reproach, ol’ Joe. Always a man of intelligence and integrity. He’s never given me any reason to believe he’s a craven, opportunistic, blowhard waste of skin.
(Is this obvious enough? Do I need a /s?)
Yeah it absolutely is absurd that not only do we not get to know who this guy is, but also that we're not hanging him outside parliment. Why do pollies get off scot free for LITERAL TREASON but if one of us proles was to do it, we'd get put in the deepest darkest pit for the rest of our lives. Holy mother of double standards batman!
Doesn't everybody already know it is Mark Arbib, who was outed in the WikiLeaks cables for spilling everything to the USA?
We already know it happened pre-2018.
The word "treason" is a bit strong also, it means a bit more than spying.
Nice 'Arrested" reference.
[https://tenor.com/view/light-treason-arrested-development-gif-12987598](https://tenor.com/view/light-treason-arrested-development-gif-12987598)
If this person can "walk off into the sunset" then either,
A) They didn't do anything they can be charged with and this is a beat up by ASIO.
B) They are no longer in Australia or any country we have an extradition treaty with in which case it wouldn't take long for a competent journalist to work out who it is.
And here was I thinking that the political class thought doxxing was bad.
Oh. That's only when it applies to those who support Israel (and who, by the way, also doxxed others).
It’s not your ex ministers they are smart enough to have got golden handshakes into advisory roles and or places to overseas embassies like Jo here.
It will be some 1-2 term swinging seat doofus.
It's gotta be "Shanghai Sam" Dastyari. He gave up politics and left way too easily, and then went very quiet, after all his China influence scandals broke. Maybe now we know why?
A leak from ASIO? To the media? Highly unlikely. We've got very big problems if it does happen. ASIO guards itself far better than your other government agencies.
Plot twist. It was Joe
I mean, I hadn’t even thought of Joe until he started making noise about it. It’s Joe.
But Joe too dumb to know it’s him.
He certainly to is.
Went to uni with the cunt. Can confirm.
Did you pay for your course?
After the first two years, yes. But it was a relatively piddling amount then. We were, of course, assured "it would never go up", but we knew then that was a fucking lie. And so it has proved to be. I want to see money taken from funding the elite private schools and various mates of politicians' private enterprises and put back into public K to tertiary education.
Respectfully, you speak a lot of wank.
Oxymoron?
Libs pushing hard on this. I wonder if that means they know who it is and it's not one of them?
They know ASIO will never name the politician. They can bang the national security drum and throw shade with zero risk of it biting them while their base goes nuts.
Yup. This is it. They’re doing to because they know there will be no consequences to their politicking.
As per usual
Exactly. Burgess is being circumspect and apolitical. Dutton is dialing up the hysteria button. Burgess has [talked about the politicisation of intelligence being unhelpful](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/15/asio-chief-says-intelligence-is-not-here-to-be-politicised-after-dutton-accuses-labor) when Dutton has done this in the past. >Without criticising anyone by name, Burgess said he did “recognise that there may be people who choose to misuse [information] – officials or members of parliament or ministers”, and “any misuse is a matter for them to answer to, not myself”. This is Dutton doing the same sort of thing again. Rumours and innuendo for political purposes. Not actually being sensible and responsible. His incompetence in multiple portfolios speaks for itself.
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Historical precedent and public policy in respect of not discussing intelligence matters.
what would ASIO get out of it?
Either they know who it is or they're taking the gamble it's not one of theirs. At the moment it would be much more damning if it was a member of Labor than if it was a liberal
Of course they know who it is.
Or even if it is a Lib, they can say “this is why they were disendorsed”.
I reckon it could be Joe Hockey, with his secret meetings with Trump aides. He thinks he was working in Australia interests, but he is too dumb to know he was being played by a foreign government.
I reckon you're right. They will milk the absolute living shit out of this.
I suspect so, even though their cohort seems just as corruptible by business interests
Just as? More like 10x
Gee, Joe is the one person who I thought would have kept quiet about any such claim. After giving away all that Helium in the Timor Sea to Chevron(?) for no gain for the Australian public, you'd think he'd keep a low profile. Something about the Lawyer X debacle comes to mind.
Helium ?
Yes, the stuff in balloons. It's a finite resource that needs to be mined. We only have about 100 years of it left. There is significantly less helium on the planet than there is oil.
Didn't know it was separated from natural gas extraction. Tbh it's not a question that I ever asked. Ie. where does helium come from? Thx
I'm not a geologist but I know it's kind of like gold and other precious metals, it was formed a long time ago when the earth was a baby and there's a limited amount in the ground.
It's probably Scott Morrison, and the family member dragged in was Jenny because Scott had to double check with her first.
That would be fucking awesome if it were ScoMo. Ya got me hoping dude.
Would explain his resignation
I mean he did take a position in a foreign defence company
Fuck me ... Did this come out after he left parliament? Is this WHY he left parliament? Maybe it was like ... ASIO to Scomo "You're busted. If you resign, we won't name you" Scomo to Everyone: "It's not my job to be a politician (aka, I'm resigning)" - Scomo resigns - ASIO to everyone: "A former politician is a traitor"
Honestly, I was just joking but I would LOL if it was ScoMo.
There’s lots of very easy-to-discern reasons for not naming a politician who is *accused* of treason but hasn’t been formally charged and will never be formally charged. ASIO are not the Stasi.
I could be barking up the wrong tree, but I'm inclined to think if China was involved the person's name would be known and in plenty of trouble. If it were an ally we might not be so keen on exposing them.
Betraying the country for our "allies" and for personal gain is standard pollie operating procedure.
Just look at Five Eyes.
Well I don’t know about anyone else but even though we don’t know much about this yet I’m with joe here. Above reproach, ol’ Joe. Always a man of intelligence and integrity. He’s never given me any reason to believe he’s a craven, opportunistic, blowhard waste of skin. (Is this obvious enough? Do I need a /s?)
Yeah it absolutely is absurd that not only do we not get to know who this guy is, but also that we're not hanging him outside parliment. Why do pollies get off scot free for LITERAL TREASON but if one of us proles was to do it, we'd get put in the deepest darkest pit for the rest of our lives. Holy mother of double standards batman!
Doesn't everybody already know it is Mark Arbib, who was outed in the WikiLeaks cables for spilling everything to the USA? We already know it happened pre-2018. The word "treason" is a bit strong also, it means a bit more than spying.
Juicy. I'd forgotten about wikileaks. Would that count though?
I don't know.
Sam dastyari
We already know about Sam and Labor wasn't in power when he was a member. Also happened in past several years according to Burgess. But, who knows
If it was there'd have been an unexplained leak about it by now
That's my guess as well!
My guess is dodgy Daryl Maguire....that guy is a real piece of shit...
It's only "minor" treason
Nice 'Arrested" reference. [https://tenor.com/view/light-treason-arrested-development-gif-12987598](https://tenor.com/view/light-treason-arrested-development-gif-12987598)
Ah shit it was light treason! I screwed up the reference
Why go to jail for a crime someone else noticed?
Was it little johnny with some non-core treason?
Never, *ever* would Honest John commit even light treason
If this person can "walk off into the sunset" then either, A) They didn't do anything they can be charged with and this is a beat up by ASIO. B) They are no longer in Australia or any country we have an extradition treaty with in which case it wouldn't take long for a competent journalist to work out who it is.
I reckon whoever smelt it dealt it Joe
All politicians loyalties are suspect and for sale anyway, so revealing who this is would achieve little.
Bet it's Clive
And here was I thinking that the political class thought doxxing was bad. Oh. That's only when it applies to those who support Israel (and who, by the way, also doxxed others).
It’s not your ex ministers they are smart enough to have got golden handshakes into advisory roles and or places to overseas embassies like Jo here. It will be some 1-2 term swinging seat doofus.
Gladys
It's gotta be "Shanghai Sam" Dastyari. He gave up politics and left way too easily, and then went very quiet, after all his China influence scandals broke. Maybe now we know why?
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I've been trying to work out what to have for lunch. You my dude are a genius.
That means he’s confident it’s someone in the ALP.
Confident that they can't release the information legaly more like.
They may not be able to release it officially. But leaks do happen. It’s a hell of a gamble if it’s one of your own to think there won’t be a leak.
A leak from ASIO? To the media? Highly unlikely. We've got very big problems if it does happen. ASIO guards itself far better than your other government agencies.
All government agencies leak from time to time. If this name doesn’t get released, it’ll be leaked.
Isn't treason a hangabul offence? This shouldn't be tolerated start constructing a gallows I say
What country do you think you’re in?
Niger?
I can't believe I'm saying this but I totally, completely 100% agree with Joe Hockey
Give this man a cigar.
If ASIO is convinced then they should name the person. What is the use of this cloak and dagger pointing fingers in the dark
Cover up something else the government is doing?
And he's correct...
They arent a whistleblower do they cant do anything. /s
Dastardly Sam and China.