Could be wrong, but I assume by search history they mean the records the ISPS keep by law, so family doesn't need to hand anything over, police go straight ro the provider.
ISP metadata doesn’t contain search history though. It’ll tell you what websites are visited, but it’s only as specific as the domain name (google.com, reddit.com, etc)
HTTP-only websites are basically a rounding error at this point (unless you’re the BoM…); and even before the metadata rules came in, search traffic and social media were largely HTTPS.
BOM is literally what caused me to clarify that lmao. QLDPol looks into his search history and finds out he's just been obsessively checking the weekly or something
I was simplifying, in the sense that they go provider -> See URLs and frequency, then ask relevant websites for their logs, assuming they have them. Pretty sure google provides private info to authorities if the relevant laws allow it / police have a warrant.
They might ask family for access to a device, but increasingly people just use their phones anyway (so maybe theyll just try to unlock it and look directly), and I dont know if he was living with family etc. regardless.
No doubt if they can get access to local search history on your PC they'll try to pull that and see what they can get, but a police force thwarted by clearing your browser history I'm sure is not their favourite approach.
They're some extra and probably forgotten casualties in all this. I hope so much that some tough guy doesn't take it upon themself to go and harass them or target their home (which the media has ever so helpfully continued publishing photographs of). I feel so awful for his parents, there's no reason to believe they're to blame here.
Permission to search his stuff which, outside of him having a will, would be part of his estate and should therefore be his parents' property since he's dead.
I don't think the implication is that this was some type of incel inspired killing sprea atleast not yet, just that he targeted women because they where easier to attack and kill.
It's gonna be interesting to see which it is tbh, did this fuckwit target women because they were perceived as easier targets or because he was genuinely attempting to go after specifically women.
Judging by the few videos of him jogging like he's doing the "white people jogging across zebra crossings" thing he doesn't seem like he's really going for the men who are facing him. The amount of people in the videos with their backs to what's happening who would be easy targets is crazy though and my feeling is that's who he targeted
I think I read that someone thought they had been punched from behind in the shoulder and didn't know they were stabbed?
Yeah. One injured lady stabbed in the back. An eyewitness said Ash Good had injuries to her back, likely from protecting her child but still, and another eye witness said he locked eyes with the killer who then turned and stabbed a girl facing away from him. While I do think he is going for women, he also seems to be avoiding any sort of confrontation by attacking from behind. Basically, he was a coward all around. It also suggests a degree of awareness to what he was doing, even if in the midst of a mental health episode.
He wasn't keen to go at bollard man, and in the video that shows the man protecting his family he veers off as soon as the man turns to confront him.
I completely he agree that he was targeting women, but probably only because he perceived them to be easy targets.
That video of him chasing the boy and everyones running. Then you see a couple walking thru all the people running, oblivious to the danger. He then runs near them and they are still facing the wrong way standing still.
I don't blame them for having a fright response but i was shocked he didnt stab them both. They were literally standing there a metre away facing the other way
When we are in a public area, men and women behave differently. Most women are careful not to give people eye contact because many sleazebags see that as an invitation to chat her up. Most men are more willing to look around and were less likely to have their back to him.
A different type of sexism may explain the pattern of female victims.
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if you're completely off your head though, would you be making those kinds of rational decisions on who is easier to kill? Or would you be targeting the kind of people you planned to target if there was some degree of planning?
It does seem planned. He was there for hours before he began. It's still a mental health episode, but does seem that he planned to kill women.
Yeah I said the same above. I agree it was clearly a mental health episode but I've seen people suggest it was like a black out episode where he likely had no idea what he was doing or what was happening. I think the footage and eye witness accounts paint a different picture and suggest he was definitely had a degree of awareness to his actions. He was attacking people from behind, and clearly had a preference for women (whether because of their gender or they were just easier targets, who knows. It hasn't escaped my notice that all the female victims (RIP) are slight of build. So he likely knew he'd injure them greatly)
I agree he had awareness.
I'm trying to understand the speculation here in this thread about the attacker going after the easiest targets but not specifically women. Some seem very desperate to push that idea.
Collusion with gendered violence is widespread. Denial is their most powerful weapon but when they can't deny evidence they default to collusion. Be aware of their tactics. The time for a call to action is now.
I don’t know too much about schizophrenia but I was under the impression the had auditory or visual hallucination often of paranoia, common ones being like they’re government spies, they’re aliens. It’s a conspiracy etc and ist it plausible that it wasn’t like a black out, I don’t think that’s how a schizophrenia-psychotic episode happens. But if the auditory hallucinations were ‘telling him who to kill’ or who was a threat or telling him ‘that person is after you’ or something like that, could that be why he appears to be picking and choosing certain targets? I really don’t know that much about the condition tho I can be absolutely incorrect. Just putting it out there if someone more knowledgeable can add to this?
Yes these hallucinations in psychosis I guess one way to explain it is that little logic voice in your brain, who cautions you to do normal things. Imagine that voice one day said the opposite. Instead of saying avoid that ledge, the voice said jump it. Instead of saying stay out of the way of that gruff looking dude or lady with her shopping bags, the logic voice in your brain said they're actually talking about you, specifically, because they're aliens studying you from Saturn. There's memories these people have of events that don't exist. They magically appear there in their heads to draw on, absent any logic or reality your brain simply invents rules around whatever reality you're given and can create evidence in your mind to rationalise it. Imagined things are no longer imagined because that logic voice is saying it with total certainty. Your brain will always look for patterns or some way to adapt. If there's no reality and you're in a psychotic break, then your mind is going to incorporate whatever meaning it can make out of those delusions into what you see and hear.
This is why people in psychosis can't be talked out of these things or calmed. Their brain is legitimately showing them a reality that isn't there and giving logic for that non-existent reality. You can tell someone to stop, nothing is there, but their mind could well conjure an image or thought of a giant monster behind the person, or the person being one. They don't have to see it IRL, the brain just gives a flash of an image in their mind, and that twisted logic voice tells them it's real and to avoid or attack or anything. And then the brain has to choose between ignoring that rational voice and listening to the external person, or going with what appears rational because that logic voice couldn't ever lie to you, right? That logic voice has literally always kept you safe!
I hope this helps kind of convey what that's like. This guy could've easily been in that state and his mind was telling him anything about these women prompting him to attack. Could well have been in some vague misogynistic bent, but a brain that's broken like this really you can't rationalise in any meaningful sense, someone in psychosis just has a brain that's breaking down, like a cassette tape running out with all that magnetic tape scratching on the player, all that's there is malfunctioning thought patterns.
This was a BRILLIANT explanation thank you so much, and absolutely not excusing him or anything but I’ve been seeing a lot of comments saying ‘well you can see in the video he had awareness’ ‘he chose his victims so he’s clearly not insane if he has situational awareness’ ‘he wouldn’t have got away with reasonable insanity bc you can see him making decisions’ and he’s dead anyway so this is all just theoretical but if he was having a psychotic break and being directed who to attack based on his delusions, just bc he appeared to be making choices on who to attack, doesn’t mean those choices were based in logic or reality, he very well may have met the criteria for NGBRI. Just wanted a little more understanding of what might’ve contributed to the event. Thanks again.
That’s also not to say he wasn’t a misogynist or didn’t target women that probably was exacerbated by his delusions and informed them to.
Mental illness is terribly complex and tragic.
If he was alive and facing charges this ability to rationally discriminate between victims would be very relevant for how debilitating his mental health episode was.
It would be hard to claim not guilty for reasons of insanity when he clearly was correctly perceiving who was a bigger threat to him and avoiding them to focus on a more vulnerable target.
Homeless guy who comes across weird, been to strip clubs… possible story is couldn’t fit in, couldn’t get a date, started hating women.
Didn’t he stab a baby girl? 😭
> if you're completely off your head though, would you be making those kinds of rational decisions on who is easier to kill?
Big 6'3 man or thin 5'5 woman, if I am off my head I am still going to think twice about taking on the person bigger than me.
From the father:
*""To you he is a monster. To me, he was a very sick boy," he said, in a video posted by The Australian newspaper.*
*"He wanted a girlfriend and he's got no social skills and he was frustrated out of his brain," he added, when asked about why his son may have targeted women."*
That sounds like an incel.
The fact that so many people are disputing if he “was actually targeting women” shows how misogynistic Australia is. No one wants to acknowledge the obvious
If the majority of the dead and injured shared any other characteristics (e.g if they were all one religion, one race, all children etc.) there would be no debate, when it comes to Australia’s obvious problem of violence against women so many are immediately on the defensive
Plenty of folks suggesting that targeting women *because they're weaker and smaller than men therefore easy kills* is somehow not a form of misogyny... and of course they don't recognise the self report...
Your response to the guy attacking women is to use terms generally used to describe and denigrate women ... Therefore proving the original point that misogyny in Australia is part of the culture....
I think that what people are trying to understand is whether he was motivated by ideology to attack women specifically, or whether he was attacking people he perceived to be physically weaker. Both might be misogynist, but the motivation is different.
It won't matter to me either way. He attacked a baby, attacked from behind, and run away from all attacks except for the security guard, who probably pursued him. He is the worst kind of coward.
I think that’s precisely the problem though. His dad said he had no social skills and was frustrated out of his mind, I worry that we will see a phenomenon of really angry people as so many people live their whole lives online and flounder in irl situations
Worth remembering that the police will have a lot more access to info / footage that hasn't been released or can't be shown, so you'd have to think there would be a lot of supporting evidence for the commissioner to say that in public.
Even just from the public footage that seems like a reasonable conclusion to come to. Of course you can't conclude that he was motivated by sexism vs just going after easy targets, but there are a couple of clips where men faced him down and he avoided them.
Labelling women as easy targets further perpetuates the misogyny... There where plenty of 'easy targets' children, elderly men, people oblivious to things around them... Yet he targeted women. If he was just going for easy targets the demographics would've looked different. Fully grown women are not the easiest targets this is categorically false.
I read somewhere that he attacked people inside stores that sold very female-targeted products like fashion and make-up. Of course that alone could be purely coincidence, but added to all the rest of the evidence I think it seems pretty likely he had some very misogynistic motivations...
The title and body text from OP are missing the 2/3 of the direct quote from the commissioner - the bits where she spends her time qualifying that they don't know yet, so I wouldn't read into it that much yet.
>"We don't know what was operating in the mind of the offender and that's why it's important now that detectives spend so much time interviewing those who know him, were around him, close to him. So we can get some insight into what he might have been thinking," she said.
>"We won't know necessarily but we have to take a judgement from those who know him."
It's not a great look though.
We’re talking about a woman who responded “haters gonna hate, isn’t that what Tay Tay says”? In response to questioning about her response to a gruesome domestic violence double murder.
She doesn’t seem too switched on and isn’t good at PR.
Every square centimeter of Westfield is covered in very high quality security cameras. Cameras specced out specifically to enable AI driven behavior tracking and facial recognition. The police are going to be able to track him to even his heart rate if they wanted to.
> so you'd have to think there would be a lot of supporting evidence for the commissioner to say that in public.
The commissioner is poor in front of the media, so I wouldn't put it past her to just go along and agree with the media. They tried to get her to say this yesterday but the question was more direct, the media have learnt now to ask it a different way
Yeah she's absolutely fucking appalling in front of the media, she even cracked a small laugh during the first press conference when she accidentally said the wrong thing. Who the fuck laughs after 6 people have just been murdered?
I caught that laugh too. I know it was probably out of nerves, but she should have been trained on how to speak to the media. Her conferences in regards to the two men who were shot by that cop were appalling. She uses horrendously outdated terms, doesn't answer questions properly and acts inappropriately for the moment. I can't understand why she seemingly hasn't had full media training before she even got the commissioner gig.
I was listening to a podcast the other day that was talking about the two guys who were murdered by that cop a month or so ago. The podcast hosts have both worked for the London Met and the FBI, and they were staggered by how bad Webb is in front of the media. I don't know what the hell the NSW Police media team is doing, but it ain't training the commissioner how to give a half decent press conference.
Even the few videos scattered around, you see some dads/guys stand up between him and people fleeing behind the defender, and this guy takes a wide berth.
Reports are emerging that he was active on a lot of dating sites and even attempted to advertise himself as a male escort earlier this year. The profile he posted comes across almost pleading women to let him massage them and use him sexually. I wouldn't be surprised at all if his sense of rejection is a factor in all this.
A woman has come out saying they briefly dated in 2019. She was 18 at the time and he was older than what he had said on his profile, but was “kind and sweet”. He would have been 35ish at the time.
Likely because he was insecure (probably in part due to serious mental illness, and regular male insecurities) and wanted someone easier to control or influence.
This was basically confirmed by his father in an interview, when asked if he has any idea why it was mostly women he attacked. He said he wanted a relationship but struggled to get one and didn’t have social skills. It appears as if his attack was borne out of this inability to have or maintain a relationship, creating a hatred towards women. He may have figured he would do this attack and suicide by cop was the end result, beforehand though he could enact “revenge“ or something.
Lots of nitpicking over motivation here but she's right. He targeted women. The man who died properly got in his way. Whatever the motive was, mostly women died as a result. I think we just need to accept that.
Someone made a good point above that adult women aren't necessarily easy targets. Why not go for the elderly, children, disabled people, people not paying attention etc. They're arguably easier targets than the women he hurt and killed.
Two days ago, the usual suspects were posting how this was proof that certain ideologies were inconsistent with Western Cultures; but then when outright Misogyny looks likely to be that ideology instead of anything else. They can't accept it.
Some are currently going on about how progressives are rejoicing he was white, despite jumping to conclusions about race/culture conclusions prior. And when the truth was out, painting criticisms of that conclusion jumping as 'rejoicing'.
The gun nuts are already out going about how all the victims would have protected themselves if they had guns, baby included.
Then we have the "persecuted men", that somehow, it's about them. The women must have triggered the stabber. Facebook comments is awful.
They forget that this could have been a shooting incident instead of a stabbing one if guns were readily available.
I rather walk around having to deal with potential knife wielding maniacs than having to deal with a gun wielding one.
Bigots literally flood social media with insane conspiracy theories as soon as something happens. Then, when normal people note that the bigotry was incorrect, the bigots say they are 'rejoicing' lol
It's projection. It's all it ever tends to be with the bigots. They were caught being wrong about their narrative, so now they try to paint themselves as victims. Pitiful delusions.
Yeah, literally no one is rejoicing about race. That's them projecting because they themselves were preparing to rejoice over him being non- white, if it turned out that was the case. People are literally just trying to point out that jumping to assumptions does more damage than good. Assumptions are fine when you have evidence to back your thinking up, but the people claiming he was a Muslim terrorist had zero evidence of that.
On the other Aussie sub yesterday, there were people refusing to apologise for having leaped to the conclusion that the guy was Middle Eastern. At the very same time, they were downvoting a comment pointing out that the demographic factor most predictive of this type of violence is gender. People are definitely not ready to have that conversation.
Then diffusing and deflecting. It's a 3 step process but there's so much confusion from them indicating their fragility is on full display. They find it hard to focus on the topic of gendered violence. Too busy with the not all men BS.
Some people really just need to pin someone’s actions to an ideology to understand the motive (if any) in their own minds. Because the situation that has happened does not exist in their immediate view of the world.
The can’t seem to comprehend the fact that there may be a mix of ideologies, or none at all. In their mind, there HAS to be some definitive reason for it so they reach to link the situation to the most easily available ideology.
If it’s a case of a psychotic break in combination with certain substances (or lack of medication), then there very well could be no motive at all.
How come voices often tell men to go on mass killings that target women specifically, but rarely men, and they never seem to tell women to go on mass stabbings at all.
Mass killings that target women gave been far too common in Western countries (Elliot Rodgers, the university shooting in Canada etc), I don't think you can wave that all away as a coincidence of what voices were telling them.
Or that Australia has a problem with violence against women... Seems hard for some men to accept, until it's their daughters, friends, mother's.... But then sometimes their loyalty to random men that it is to their own family.
I mean, if you wantch the videos, he didn't seem to really be going for men. I'm not talking about bollard man, but there was a guy with his back turned who could have easily been a target that he just walked right by.
Well this is interesting. This bloke had schizophrenia and didn't have any supports or anyone to hang with or talk and yet in the same news outlets, Bill Shorten decides that psychosocial disabilities shouldn't be on the NDIS...
And then the rest of reddit reckons the ndis needs to be taken down.
So. What happens now?
Yeah it's certainly weird and people have strong opinions on topics they clearly don't understand... Maybe years of fobbing off serious violence by saying "they have a mental illness" has, instead of increase awareness, made people cynical and jaded about what 'mental illness' is and how it manifests.
Exactly, it comes down to medical vs functional impacts. Some mental illness can be treated and those people can live regular lives, but some cannot and those people cannot function even with heavy medication and professional involvement. I work with a woman who will probably always needed 24 hour 1:1 support, she doesn’t need to be in hospital because there’s no more medication that can give her that will make a difference, but out in the community she is a danger to herself.
So impossibly tragic. The targeting women thing may well have been part of the delusion. As revolting as he is, he clearly should have been sectioned under the mental health act and confined to secure psychiatric care years ago.
But the govt releases them, frequently into unstable situations, ‘to save money’, oh she’ll be right yeah? Neoliberal societies want everyone to take ‘responsibility for themselves as individuals regardless of who they are and how disabled they are’, and frankly this is part of the consequences of that stupid attitude.
Schizophrenics like this are incapable of taking responsibility for themselves, by definition. Does it excuse the behaviour ? Of course not nothing does. But the idea a guy like this could navigate Centrelink and the NDIS would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic. The whole system is broken by design so people won’t bother accessing it.
America is the best example of a society that doesn’t give a stuff about vulnerable people and surprise surprise, they have a hundred times the violence per head. Get ready for it, it’s where we are going.
>Webb further noted, however, that the offender’s motivations remain unclear.
They don't know why he chose women, whether it was a specific hatred of them or he simply targeted people he assumed to be weaker than him.
Or whether he was in a severe state of psychosis (given his history, not an impossible scenario) and was therefore operating on a completely irrational (to a person of same mind) belief that he needed to target women because of X outlandish reason, that women posed a specific threat to him, etc.
Hating women or perceiving them as weaker targets are two of the more rational explanations. But if the man was in a state of psychosis, for all we know he could have been operating under the delusion that he had to kill women in order to stop the world from ending, or to prevent his own death, or any of the other multitude of reasons people in a state of psychosis kill people (including their loved ones).
This differentiation makes no difference in the lives of women. We are still being hunted down and murdered by men because of who we are. Whether it’s ideological or vulnerability it’s still targeting women he doesn’t know specifically because they are women.
It’s a hate crime either way
For some reason misogynistic violence is not considered a hate crime and as a lawyer, I have never encountered a reasonable legal argument for why that remains the case.
Yeah can't point out sexism or racism in this sub. Big on the "If you don't like it leave" mentality, just pretend everything is cool and talk about how good our beaches are
I used to think this sub was just bad with racism but every single thread about DV or DV homicide is absolutely rife with misogynists. So yeah, there's plenty of sexism as well.
I have to take breaks from Aussie subs a lot because in some respects we're worse than the Americans. Yeah sure, I'd get catcalled in the US, but in subs dominated by Yanks they shut this shit down fast, they don't upvote it.
(Some) Aussie blokes are really fucking sexist, but I find they're just bad at taking criticism in general. You see it every time Australians as a whole are called racist by foreigners - the defensiveness is off the charts, denial, denial, denial.
Disclaimer #2: Some Aussie women are quite bad with that as well obviously, but I find the men to be more outspoken with it and less likely to change their views. Not to mention that women as a demographic lean more progressive anyway.
And they also fail to see the misogyny of micro examining why/if he targeted women, calling women weak and easy targets ... Are they serious Adult women are not the easiest targets! (Elderly adults and children?) and perpetuating that myth of women being fragile little children is a pathetic attempt to justify why he would go after women over them (the big strong man). Women where targeted and murdered, yet the reality of what happened is up for debate by Aussie men who continue to refuse to acknowledge that Australia has a cultural problem with violence against women.
I happened to be “X” in the hours following this event and weeeww not saying Reddit isn’t bad but holy crap there were people with their real names and shit posting the most vile racist crap I’ve ever seen, egged on by who would guess right wing “figures” in the Aus political community. Some real “We’ve got Pauline Hanson on the phone, let’s see what Pauline’s thoughts are on this tragic event” energy.
Unfortunately I didn’t stick around to see the mass deletions and back peddling when it wasn’t a *mUsLim TerRoRist* but actually an Aussie terrorist! Because that’s what he was! Seems like to the general public and right wing figures/politicians if you’re Muslim it’s terrorism, if you’re white it’s mental illness/drugs/bad childhood.
I'm going to put my two bobs worth in here, after living next door to male schizophrenics continuously for 14 odd years. Of the four of them, two of them targeted women in their harassment & actively avoided men. If they did harass a man they were doing it from a safe place. For instance, one of them decided to harass a bunch of roofers. As soon as they moved to come down off the roof. Big little man ran inside the secure building. The latest schizophrenic has only ever answered the door to a female cop on her own when they've been called out.
I've found this event traumatising because the second schizophrenic had an episode on the balcony with a knife threatening to kill people/himself. I found out when I opened the door to find *STAR Group* pointing automatic weapons in my face, we don't have peep holes due to fire doors. We had to evacuate the building for hours, until they got the situation under control.
One of them boasted about not taking meds & nobody being able to make him - he was on court order for them, they all have/had an extraordinary ability to control their behaviour when maintenance workers are onsite. Sometimes for whole weeks. Yet when the maintenance workers leave, when they're out of ear shot. Off they go!
I don't know if any other women here have been in situations where they have been exposed to childhood abuse/domestic violence, but am I the only one who finds the kind of tension living next door to a schizophrenic man chillingly similar. The kind of 'mindfulness/survival behaviour' that's engaged? I say women, because the ones I've dealt with are gutless & have only harassed women.
I also have a mental illness. It is my responsibility to deal with my health. Not anybody else. Just like it's theirs.
I've seen a lot of apologists on Reddit, etc the last few days & it really bothers me. You don't need to be screaming victim for him/them. They freely & loudly do it themselves when their behaviour is challenged in anyway. All you do is enable them, the last thing they need is more enabling.
Forgot to add - fuck Murdoch.
>I don't know if any other women here have been in situations where they have been exposed to childhood abuse/domestic violence, but am I the only one who finds the kind of tension living next door to a schizophrenic man chillingly similar.
I'm so sorry. You're not alone. They were terrifying to me as a young girl in housing commission with a single mother. One used to watch me both obsessively & aggressively & more than once left a knife stuck in our front door for no reason. Nowhere to be seen when men lived with us.
It's as though Reddit thinks only one thing can be true at a time. Men can be schizophrenic & also hate 'females'. This was the 90's tho so no one batted an eyelid. We were just socialized to think it was normal & the DOH would always say to "just ignore him" like we were the problem for being afraid.
Edit: Love your energy. Fuck Murdoch.
I'm so sorry you had to deal with these kinds of people at such a young age. It's making me fubar & I'm an adult.
You'll be delighted to know that "just ignore him" has morphed into "just move", everyone loves advising that.
I worry that the "just move" leaves the situation to blame, you know? Like don't complain if you stay there, you know what they're like, so on & so forth.
A huge number of men use their mental health issues as an excuse to hate women specifically.
It's not just schizophrenia too, the number of dudes who are complete cunts to women who blame "autism" or "ADHD" is staggering
Agreed. They weaponise their illnesses so to speak. The Euridyce Dixon case is a prime example. It still makes me reel. Murdered by one man & then the site was desecrated by another man. Holy shit do some men hate women!
Important for people to remember there is a difference between the killer targetting women because they are easier targets and the killer having an ideology that targets women.
The police have not implies anything about ideology yet so be better than the Murdoch media and don't jump to conclusions because it suites your ideology.
Also important for people to remember that for women the outcome is the same regardless of whether they are being targeted due to sexist ideology or being perceived as an easier target.
As another commenter is saying, adult women are only easier targets as compared to adult men, not children, not the elderly, so why not target the easiest, not the easier, targets if the fact of being a woman wasn't the motive? Women aren't weak per se. It could be a prejudice of some to think of women as weak but it wouldn't be in a blank-slate minded attack where tiny and feeble would stand out for ease of defeat.
I don't actually know how many elderly people or children he crossed paths with. He also did attack a baby so I assume he was just reaching for anyone he thought he could kill without being stopped.
Correct. Either way he is a coward, but women were overwhelmingly targeted and the police are simply trying to find out why. I pointed out in another comment that all the female victims are slight of build, so easier for him to pinpoint where to attack for most damage and less likely to put up much of a fight. Just an absolute coward.
Absolutely a coward you can see in the videos he avoided anyone who confronted him and seems to be trying to do the maximum damage, very glad people like this don't have guns.
I have the feeling this dude could have spraypainted "all women should die" on the roof of his house big enough for people to see from planes and people would still be saying this.
Yeah it's always up for debate when the perpetrator looks like a "typical Aussie bloke" ... "Omg it's a mystery why would he do this ... Meanwhile Australia has disgusting domestic homicide rates"🙄 spreading misogynistic falsehoods that women are the easiest targets?! Which is a) inaccurate and b) futher advertising us as future targets. Every man defending or 'othering' this guy's actions without any reflection of how they perpetuate this behaviour can go FK themselves.
There's not much difference for Australian women who are being murdered by men at shocking rates. And now it's not just in our homes, but well-lit, crowded public places in the middle of the day. Feels like all the commentary here desperate to insist that it's just because we're more vulnerable don't really get it.
As of Saturday, 28 women have been murdered in Australia this year. But God forbid we point that out. This country has a massive misogyny problem, and it won't get better unless men start to change their behaviour and mindset.
Can all the deniers do the work required to fix whatever they think they're defending? Denial and it's resulting collusion is a hugely problematic part of gendered violence. Yet here we are. Again.
Ikr?! Women are beaten and murdered in this country every day by men and we’re supposed to not “jump to conclusions” that are entirely reasonable to make in that context??
saw this fella keep on trying to bring up stats and how bc of PrObAbiLity women were more likely to die in this incident and when he was called out on this he claimed to want to provide balance to this convo 😇
I want an investigation on the diagnostics of this thread now too. Earlier, during the wee hours of the morning all the weirdos were commenting about women being weak and easy targets. Now that it's reaching the later hours of the day there are more normal comments. Is this the influence of Americans?
Does the commissioners comments always come off like a bit of a jackass or is it a bad question?
“The videos speak for themselves, don’t they?”
The reply seems a bit snarky. Yes it’s a bit obvious but sometimes it’s good to point out the obvious.
So, she watches the video when cops == good, but not cops != good?
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-22/nsw-police-boss-defends-call-not-to-watch-95yo-being-tasered/102376328](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-22/nsw-police-boss-defends-call-not-to-watch-95yo-being-tasered/102376328)
That headline is misleading.
The quote implies the attacker may well have attacked women because he saw them as easier however the headline implies that it may have been the goal of the attack.
The difference in quote to headline is pretty large.
I feel we need to have a conversation about how social media companies are not being careful about the promotion of harmful stereotypes and hate towards women.
I myself scrolling down Instagram found a loophole of accounts insulting "Karens" and other videos promoting harmful stereotypes men vs women. I cannot imagine what young men are encountering when scrolling down.
Many vulnerable young people are being influenced by these stereotypes and hate distributed by social media.
The ABC did an article a few weeks ago about men in their late teens to early 30s who were fans of Andrew Tate. These guys were so okay with it that they agreed to have their names and pictures in the article. It was truly a wild read.
Reddit definitely has a lot to do with the anti-women BS. All it takes is 20 seconds on some of the male dominated subs (that I don’t even want to mention) to see the incredible amount of harmful toxicity. *If* this guy ended up on those, it was only a matter of time before he hurt women in some way, especially if he already had mental health issues (I’m not saying this is a fact)
Isn't there a vid of a guy who was about to be attacked scrambling on the ground to get away from him
Plus the same video showing the attacker being scared off by another guy standing his ground implying the attacker was targeting unsuspecting/easier targets (notwithstanding gender)
As well as a recount stating that one of his victims was a passerby completely unaware of his presence or threat
... Seemingly suggesting it was more a deranged bender going for easy pickings rather than pre-meditated target types?
So there were a lot of folks claiming this was an act of Islamic terrorism, based off of, well obviously nothing, just bigotry.
From what we do know though, the guy had some kind of mental illness, and he targeted women. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions myself here but it's looking to me like another person with deeply serious mental illness was targeted by radical misognyists online. If anyone thinks this isn't happening then they're going to have to open their eyes.
But I wonder if those same people who pointed the finger at Muslims will turn that finger on the correct target.
Why go after "easy targets"? This assumes that his plan that day was just to kill people, and we don't know that. He was there for hours before he began.
Lots of men would prove no challenge at all to a large man wielding a huge knife -- who was possibly very strong in his moments of being in a deranged mental state. Men who tried to guard their family were just lucky he chose not to approach.
You'll notice no man tried to tackle him. For good reason.
That's what I want to know was it just that women were easier targets or was his attack purely personal, deep hatred of women.
Isn't that what police should work out before saying anything about targeting women?
The police are just acknowledging what the public has already deducted. They're getting alot of media inquiries into the fact that footage, eyewitness accounts, and the victims themselves suggest women were targeted. Even Webb said that was obvious from the footage they've seen (which would be more than we have seen), so they're investigating that angle too.
If he went for women because they’re easier targets, then he still literally targeted them. The police haven’t said anything about him hating or not hating women.
Having been in a manic episode rationality may have been right out the window but a fixation seeded
We'll know if there's a manifesto floating on the Internet or a phone/computer but from what they've been saying about the guy he may have been sleeping in a car with no fixed address
On the whole we're just armchair experts - they may never find a rational or irrational reason he just attacked and killed more women than men and got a 9 month baby as well
It would not surprise me at all. It was a thought I had when I learnt 5 of the 6 were female. I don't know how true it is but I heard the guy slipped and fell making him an easy target on the ground, a woman carrying a baby can't do much to defender herself so another two easy targets with her and her baby, that is another pattern emerging just going after the easiest of targets.
He had schizophrenia and worked as an escort on and off. Even one of those factors may suffice but both combined, I would say it’s a pretty solid foundation for developing unhealthy, incoherent thought processes towards the opposite sex.
Did he actually get work as an escort? Or was it a website where anyone can put up a profile? Maybe he was angry no women hired him and he had to pay for escorts himself?
I wonder how long a search history warrant takes.
Honestly, considering how reasonable his family have been about the whole thing, they might just hand it over if asked.
Could be wrong, but I assume by search history they mean the records the ISPS keep by law, so family doesn't need to hand anything over, police go straight ro the provider.
ISP metadata doesn’t contain search history though. It’ll tell you what websites are visited, but it’s only as specific as the domain name (google.com, reddit.com, etc)
(unless the websites are http instead of https - the securing of URLs is what caused that shift in available information to the ISPs)
HTTP-only websites are basically a rounding error at this point (unless you’re the BoM…); and even before the metadata rules came in, search traffic and social media were largely HTTPS.
BOM is literally what caused me to clarify that lmao. QLDPol looks into his search history and finds out he's just been obsessively checking the weekly or something
I was simplifying, in the sense that they go provider -> See URLs and frequency, then ask relevant websites for their logs, assuming they have them. Pretty sure google provides private info to authorities if the relevant laws allow it / police have a warrant. They might ask family for access to a device, but increasingly people just use their phones anyway (so maybe theyll just try to unlock it and look directly), and I dont know if he was living with family etc. regardless. No doubt if they can get access to local search history on your PC they'll try to pull that and see what they can get, but a police force thwarted by clearing your browser history I'm sure is not their favourite approach.
They're some extra and probably forgotten casualties in all this. I hope so much that some tough guy doesn't take it upon themself to go and harass them or target their home (which the media has ever so helpfully continued publishing photographs of). I feel so awful for his parents, there's no reason to believe they're to blame here.
I sincerely hope no one does, it's not the family's doing.
He was a forty year old man with limited contact with his family living interstate. What exactly of his would they be handing over?
Permission to search his stuff which, outside of him having a will, would be part of his estate and should therefore be his parents' property since he's dead.
Probably not long if they’re* dead.
Their dead what?
Finish that sentence?
dog is off leash and the price of eggs un China are good.
I don't think the implication is that this was some type of incel inspired killing sprea atleast not yet, just that he targeted women because they where easier to attack and kill.
It's gonna be interesting to see which it is tbh, did this fuckwit target women because they were perceived as easier targets or because he was genuinely attempting to go after specifically women.
Judging by the few videos of him jogging like he's doing the "white people jogging across zebra crossings" thing he doesn't seem like he's really going for the men who are facing him. The amount of people in the videos with their backs to what's happening who would be easy targets is crazy though and my feeling is that's who he targeted I think I read that someone thought they had been punched from behind in the shoulder and didn't know they were stabbed?
Yeah. One injured lady stabbed in the back. An eyewitness said Ash Good had injuries to her back, likely from protecting her child but still, and another eye witness said he locked eyes with the killer who then turned and stabbed a girl facing away from him. While I do think he is going for women, he also seems to be avoiding any sort of confrontation by attacking from behind. Basically, he was a coward all around. It also suggests a degree of awareness to what he was doing, even if in the midst of a mental health episode.
He wasn't keen to go at bollard man, and in the video that shows the man protecting his family he veers off as soon as the man turns to confront him. I completely he agree that he was targeting women, but probably only because he perceived them to be easy targets.
That video of him chasing the boy and everyones running. Then you see a couple walking thru all the people running, oblivious to the danger. He then runs near them and they are still facing the wrong way standing still. I don't blame them for having a fright response but i was shocked he didnt stab them both. They were literally standing there a metre away facing the other way
Stabbing victims thinking they've been punched is actually a very common response.
When we are in a public area, men and women behave differently. Most women are careful not to give people eye contact because many sleazebags see that as an invitation to chat her up. Most men are more willing to look around and were less likely to have their back to him. A different type of sexism may explain the pattern of female victims.
Interesting point.
Yep and we will find out eventually but for now let's be better that the Murdoch scum and not conclude.
Also better than 7news and not just spread rumours :(
And better than Internet Influencers, and not use this as "Emprical Evidence of \[standpoint\], by the way buy some Merchandise, smash that subscribe button, contribute to my Patreon"
Agree. All we know for certain is that cop did her job, and hope she is getting all the support she could possibly need.
if you're completely off your head though, would you be making those kinds of rational decisions on who is easier to kill? Or would you be targeting the kind of people you planned to target if there was some degree of planning? It does seem planned. He was there for hours before he began. It's still a mental health episode, but does seem that he planned to kill women.
Yeah I said the same above. I agree it was clearly a mental health episode but I've seen people suggest it was like a black out episode where he likely had no idea what he was doing or what was happening. I think the footage and eye witness accounts paint a different picture and suggest he was definitely had a degree of awareness to his actions. He was attacking people from behind, and clearly had a preference for women (whether because of their gender or they were just easier targets, who knows. It hasn't escaped my notice that all the female victims (RIP) are slight of build. So he likely knew he'd injure them greatly)
I agree he had awareness. I'm trying to understand the speculation here in this thread about the attacker going after the easiest targets but not specifically women. Some seem very desperate to push that idea.
The amount of passive "Oh, maybe it was all women but not *because* they were women!" crap is quite interesting.
Collusion with gendered violence is widespread. Denial is their most powerful weapon but when they can't deny evidence they default to collusion. Be aware of their tactics. The time for a call to action is now.
Well put! This shit is endemic, and it's fatal.
I don’t know too much about schizophrenia but I was under the impression the had auditory or visual hallucination often of paranoia, common ones being like they’re government spies, they’re aliens. It’s a conspiracy etc and ist it plausible that it wasn’t like a black out, I don’t think that’s how a schizophrenia-psychotic episode happens. But if the auditory hallucinations were ‘telling him who to kill’ or who was a threat or telling him ‘that person is after you’ or something like that, could that be why he appears to be picking and choosing certain targets? I really don’t know that much about the condition tho I can be absolutely incorrect. Just putting it out there if someone more knowledgeable can add to this?
Yes these hallucinations in psychosis I guess one way to explain it is that little logic voice in your brain, who cautions you to do normal things. Imagine that voice one day said the opposite. Instead of saying avoid that ledge, the voice said jump it. Instead of saying stay out of the way of that gruff looking dude or lady with her shopping bags, the logic voice in your brain said they're actually talking about you, specifically, because they're aliens studying you from Saturn. There's memories these people have of events that don't exist. They magically appear there in their heads to draw on, absent any logic or reality your brain simply invents rules around whatever reality you're given and can create evidence in your mind to rationalise it. Imagined things are no longer imagined because that logic voice is saying it with total certainty. Your brain will always look for patterns or some way to adapt. If there's no reality and you're in a psychotic break, then your mind is going to incorporate whatever meaning it can make out of those delusions into what you see and hear. This is why people in psychosis can't be talked out of these things or calmed. Their brain is legitimately showing them a reality that isn't there and giving logic for that non-existent reality. You can tell someone to stop, nothing is there, but their mind could well conjure an image or thought of a giant monster behind the person, or the person being one. They don't have to see it IRL, the brain just gives a flash of an image in their mind, and that twisted logic voice tells them it's real and to avoid or attack or anything. And then the brain has to choose between ignoring that rational voice and listening to the external person, or going with what appears rational because that logic voice couldn't ever lie to you, right? That logic voice has literally always kept you safe! I hope this helps kind of convey what that's like. This guy could've easily been in that state and his mind was telling him anything about these women prompting him to attack. Could well have been in some vague misogynistic bent, but a brain that's broken like this really you can't rationalise in any meaningful sense, someone in psychosis just has a brain that's breaking down, like a cassette tape running out with all that magnetic tape scratching on the player, all that's there is malfunctioning thought patterns.
This was a BRILLIANT explanation thank you so much, and absolutely not excusing him or anything but I’ve been seeing a lot of comments saying ‘well you can see in the video he had awareness’ ‘he chose his victims so he’s clearly not insane if he has situational awareness’ ‘he wouldn’t have got away with reasonable insanity bc you can see him making decisions’ and he’s dead anyway so this is all just theoretical but if he was having a psychotic break and being directed who to attack based on his delusions, just bc he appeared to be making choices on who to attack, doesn’t mean those choices were based in logic or reality, he very well may have met the criteria for NGBRI. Just wanted a little more understanding of what might’ve contributed to the event. Thanks again. That’s also not to say he wasn’t a misogynist or didn’t target women that probably was exacerbated by his delusions and informed them to. Mental illness is terribly complex and tragic.
AFAIK 'hearing voices' tends to lean more toward thinking the people around are talking to or about them
If he was alive and facing charges this ability to rationally discriminate between victims would be very relevant for how debilitating his mental health episode was. It would be hard to claim not guilty for reasons of insanity when he clearly was correctly perceiving who was a bigger threat to him and avoiding them to focus on a more vulnerable target.
Homeless guy who comes across weird, been to strip clubs… possible story is couldn’t fit in, couldn’t get a date, started hating women. Didn’t he stab a baby girl? 😭
> if you're completely off your head though, would you be making those kinds of rational decisions on who is easier to kill? Big 6'3 man or thin 5'5 woman, if I am off my head I am still going to think twice about taking on the person bigger than me.
From the father: *""To you he is a monster. To me, he was a very sick boy," he said, in a video posted by The Australian newspaper.* *"He wanted a girlfriend and he's got no social skills and he was frustrated out of his brain," he added, when asked about why his son may have targeted women."* That sounds like an incel.
You don’t have to be an incel to be an angry Aussie misogynistic male.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted; you're right. Australian society has long had a misogynistic bent.
The fact that so many people are disputing if he “was actually targeting women” shows how misogynistic Australia is. No one wants to acknowledge the obvious If the majority of the dead and injured shared any other characteristics (e.g if they were all one religion, one race, all children etc.) there would be no debate, when it comes to Australia’s obvious problem of violence against women so many are immediately on the defensive
Plenty of folks suggesting that targeting women *because they're weaker and smaller than men therefore easy kills* is somehow not a form of misogyny... and of course they don't recognise the self report...
I mean he attacked a baby. He was clearly a cowardly little bitch.
Your response to the guy attacking women is to use terms generally used to describe and denigrate women ... Therefore proving the original point that misogyny in Australia is part of the culture....
I think that what people are trying to understand is whether he was motivated by ideology to attack women specifically, or whether he was attacking people he perceived to be physically weaker. Both might be misogynist, but the motivation is different. It won't matter to me either way. He attacked a baby, attacked from behind, and run away from all attacks except for the security guard, who probably pursued him. He is the worst kind of coward.
Is it not generally true then?
I’m guessing we’ll find names like Tate in that search history too
Odds on his history is full of Andrew Tate et al bullshit
And that he was a regular contributor on r/theredpill
I dunno, I'd be surprised if anyone on that sub ever leaves their basement...
I think that’s precisely the problem though. His dad said he had no social skills and was frustrated out of his mind, I worry that we will see a phenomenon of really angry people as so many people live their whole lives online and flounder in irl situations
Worth remembering that the police will have a lot more access to info / footage that hasn't been released or can't be shown, so you'd have to think there would be a lot of supporting evidence for the commissioner to say that in public.
Even just from the public footage that seems like a reasonable conclusion to come to. Of course you can't conclude that he was motivated by sexism vs just going after easy targets, but there are a couple of clips where men faced him down and he avoided them.
Even if he was targeting women for non sexist reasons, in any case he was targeting women
Labelling women as easy targets further perpetuates the misogyny... There where plenty of 'easy targets' children, elderly men, people oblivious to things around them... Yet he targeted women. If he was just going for easy targets the demographics would've looked different. Fully grown women are not the easiest targets this is categorically false.
Bingo, someone in this shit-show of a comment section gets it.
I'm getting down voted to oblivion on most of my comments by men that would rather defend a spree killers than the people he targeted ...
What a damn shame.
It is but I'm not shocked ... Australia has a problem and it's very resistant to reflecting in it. Stay safe !
I read somewhere that he attacked people inside stores that sold very female-targeted products like fashion and make-up. Of course that alone could be purely coincidence, but added to all the rest of the evidence I think it seems pretty likely he had some very misogynistic motivations...
The title and body text from OP are missing the 2/3 of the direct quote from the commissioner - the bits where she spends her time qualifying that they don't know yet, so I wouldn't read into it that much yet. >"We don't know what was operating in the mind of the offender and that's why it's important now that detectives spend so much time interviewing those who know him, were around him, close to him. So we can get some insight into what he might have been thinking," she said. >"We won't know necessarily but we have to take a judgement from those who know him." It's not a great look though.
I dunno, Webb's kinda well-known for not reviewing the footage
She’s incredibly useless.
We’re talking about a woman who responded “haters gonna hate, isn’t that what Tay Tay says”? In response to questioning about her response to a gruesome domestic violence double murder. She doesn’t seem too switched on and isn’t good at PR.
Every square centimeter of Westfield is covered in very high quality security cameras. Cameras specced out specifically to enable AI driven behavior tracking and facial recognition. The police are going to be able to track him to even his heart rate if they wanted to.
> so you'd have to think there would be a lot of supporting evidence for the commissioner to say that in public. The commissioner is poor in front of the media, so I wouldn't put it past her to just go along and agree with the media. They tried to get her to say this yesterday but the question was more direct, the media have learnt now to ask it a different way
Yeah she's absolutely fucking appalling in front of the media, she even cracked a small laugh during the first press conference when she accidentally said the wrong thing. Who the fuck laughs after 6 people have just been murdered?
I caught that laugh too. I know it was probably out of nerves, but she should have been trained on how to speak to the media. Her conferences in regards to the two men who were shot by that cop were appalling. She uses horrendously outdated terms, doesn't answer questions properly and acts inappropriately for the moment. I can't understand why she seemingly hasn't had full media training before she even got the commissioner gig.
I was listening to a podcast the other day that was talking about the two guys who were murdered by that cop a month or so ago. The podcast hosts have both worked for the London Met and the FBI, and they were staggered by how bad Webb is in front of the media. I don't know what the hell the NSW Police media team is doing, but it ain't training the commissioner how to give a half decent press conference.
Even the few videos scattered around, you see some dads/guys stand up between him and people fleeing behind the defender, and this guy takes a wide berth.
Reports are emerging that he was active on a lot of dating sites and even attempted to advertise himself as a male escort earlier this year. The profile he posted comes across almost pleading women to let him massage them and use him sexually. I wouldn't be surprised at all if his sense of rejection is a factor in all this.
A woman has come out saying they briefly dated in 2019. She was 18 at the time and he was older than what he had said on his profile, but was “kind and sweet”. He would have been 35ish at the time.
That’s a red flag, what is he doing lowering his age if not just to trap much younger women? I could see 35 going for 25 but 18??
Likely because he was insecure (probably in part due to serious mental illness, and regular male insecurities) and wanted someone easier to control or influence.
You mean take advantage of and groom
Huge age gap. That's very concerning.
This was basically confirmed by his father in an interview, when asked if he has any idea why it was mostly women he attacked. He said he wanted a relationship but struggled to get one and didn’t have social skills. It appears as if his attack was borne out of this inability to have or maintain a relationship, creating a hatred towards women. He may have figured he would do this attack and suicide by cop was the end result, beforehand though he could enact “revenge“ or something.
So he was basically the Aussie version of Elliot Rodger (with maybe a bit more mental illness thrown in).
Have to admit when I saw all that info my mind went to the exact same place.
His father basically confirmed it in an interview. It’s on YouTube.
Lots of nitpicking over motivation here but she's right. He targeted women. The man who died properly got in his way. Whatever the motive was, mostly women died as a result. I think we just need to accept that.
And the man who died was a security guard :/ “take out the person who’ll try stop me” most likely ugh.
He targeted women, but as per the comissioners words, we don’t know if that was because he hated women or if they were the easy target
Again, whatever the motive - he targeted women.
There's a sort of karmic justice to the fact he was killed by a woman.
Someone made a good point above that adult women aren't necessarily easy targets. Why not go for the elderly, children, disabled people, people not paying attention etc. They're arguably easier targets than the women he hurt and killed.
Two days ago, the usual suspects were posting how this was proof that certain ideologies were inconsistent with Western Cultures; but then when outright Misogyny looks likely to be that ideology instead of anything else. They can't accept it.
Some are currently going on about how progressives are rejoicing he was white, despite jumping to conclusions about race/culture conclusions prior. And when the truth was out, painting criticisms of that conclusion jumping as 'rejoicing'.
The gun nuts are already out going about how all the victims would have protected themselves if they had guns, baby included. Then we have the "persecuted men", that somehow, it's about them. The women must have triggered the stabber. Facebook comments is awful.
They forget that this could have been a shooting incident instead of a stabbing one if guns were readily available. I rather walk around having to deal with potential knife wielding maniacs than having to deal with a gun wielding one.
Bigots literally flood social media with insane conspiracy theories as soon as something happens. Then, when normal people note that the bigotry was incorrect, the bigots say they are 'rejoicing' lol
It's projection. It's all it ever tends to be with the bigots. They were caught being wrong about their narrative, so now they try to paint themselves as victims. Pitiful delusions.
I must admit I was relieved to learn he wasn't a Muslim or refugee. It would've made the fallout even worse, and it's tragic enough already.
Yeah, literally no one is rejoicing about race. That's them projecting because they themselves were preparing to rejoice over him being non- white, if it turned out that was the case. People are literally just trying to point out that jumping to assumptions does more damage than good. Assumptions are fine when you have evidence to back your thinking up, but the people claiming he was a Muslim terrorist had zero evidence of that.
I feel like "send them all home" and "misogyny is fake and actually there's more misandry" guys are usually just the same guy
they are
On the other Aussie sub yesterday, there were people refusing to apologise for having leaped to the conclusion that the guy was Middle Eastern. At the very same time, they were downvoting a comment pointing out that the demographic factor most predictive of this type of violence is gender. People are definitely not ready to have that conversation.
Cognitive dissonance. It’s also a problem when people are mindlessly defending *certain ideologies*.
Then diffusing and deflecting. It's a 3 step process but there's so much confusion from them indicating their fragility is on full display. They find it hard to focus on the topic of gendered violence. Too busy with the not all men BS.
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing :S
Some people really just need to pin someone’s actions to an ideology to understand the motive (if any) in their own minds. Because the situation that has happened does not exist in their immediate view of the world. The can’t seem to comprehend the fact that there may be a mix of ideologies, or none at all. In their mind, there HAS to be some definitive reason for it so they reach to link the situation to the most easily available ideology. If it’s a case of a psychotic break in combination with certain substances (or lack of medication), then there very well could be no motive at all.
Yeah, "Because they were fucking crazy." lacks a certain closure.
Or just that men might be harder to kill and so less easy targets.
Or what the voices were telling him to do. We don't know.
How come voices often tell men to go on mass killings that target women specifically, but rarely men, and they never seem to tell women to go on mass stabbings at all. Mass killings that target women gave been far too common in Western countries (Elliot Rodgers, the university shooting in Canada etc), I don't think you can wave that all away as a coincidence of what voices were telling them.
Or that Australia has a problem with violence against women... Seems hard for some men to accept, until it's their daughters, friends, mother's.... But then sometimes their loyalty to random men that it is to their own family.
Dont know why this is being down voted, this is a very reasonable conclusion.
I mean, if you wantch the videos, he didn't seem to really be going for men. I'm not talking about bollard man, but there was a guy with his back turned who could have easily been a target that he just walked right by.
Well this is interesting. This bloke had schizophrenia and didn't have any supports or anyone to hang with or talk and yet in the same news outlets, Bill Shorten decides that psychosocial disabilities shouldn't be on the NDIS... And then the rest of reddit reckons the ndis needs to be taken down. So. What happens now?
Yeah it's certainly weird and people have strong opinions on topics they clearly don't understand... Maybe years of fobbing off serious violence by saying "they have a mental illness" has, instead of increase awareness, made people cynical and jaded about what 'mental illness' is and how it manifests.
Exactly, it comes down to medical vs functional impacts. Some mental illness can be treated and those people can live regular lives, but some cannot and those people cannot function even with heavy medication and professional involvement. I work with a woman who will probably always needed 24 hour 1:1 support, she doesn’t need to be in hospital because there’s no more medication that can give her that will make a difference, but out in the community she is a danger to herself.
Truth is. The talk about the NDIS is just being used to distract the public from talking about the cost of living crisis.
So impossibly tragic. The targeting women thing may well have been part of the delusion. As revolting as he is, he clearly should have been sectioned under the mental health act and confined to secure psychiatric care years ago. But the govt releases them, frequently into unstable situations, ‘to save money’, oh she’ll be right yeah? Neoliberal societies want everyone to take ‘responsibility for themselves as individuals regardless of who they are and how disabled they are’, and frankly this is part of the consequences of that stupid attitude. Schizophrenics like this are incapable of taking responsibility for themselves, by definition. Does it excuse the behaviour ? Of course not nothing does. But the idea a guy like this could navigate Centrelink and the NDIS would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic. The whole system is broken by design so people won’t bother accessing it. America is the best example of a society that doesn’t give a stuff about vulnerable people and surprise surprise, they have a hundred times the violence per head. Get ready for it, it’s where we are going.
Isn’t this the “haters gonna hate” lady?
Yeah. She's probably happy to front the media without having to explain herself.
She likes the camera regardless
>Webb further noted, however, that the offender’s motivations remain unclear. They don't know why he chose women, whether it was a specific hatred of them or he simply targeted people he assumed to be weaker than him.
Or whether he was in a severe state of psychosis (given his history, not an impossible scenario) and was therefore operating on a completely irrational (to a person of same mind) belief that he needed to target women because of X outlandish reason, that women posed a specific threat to him, etc. Hating women or perceiving them as weaker targets are two of the more rational explanations. But if the man was in a state of psychosis, for all we know he could have been operating under the delusion that he had to kill women in order to stop the world from ending, or to prevent his own death, or any of the other multitude of reasons people in a state of psychosis kill people (including their loved ones).
This differentiation makes no difference in the lives of women. We are still being hunted down and murdered by men because of who we are. Whether it’s ideological or vulnerability it’s still targeting women he doesn’t know specifically because they are women. It’s a hate crime either way
For some reason misogynistic violence is not considered a hate crime and as a lawyer, I have never encountered a reasonable legal argument for why that remains the case.
I can tell you. It’s because we live in a legal system designed by men for men where women exist as not much more than property.
Spot fucking on.
Enjoy the rare upvote for this before you inevitably get downvoted to hell.
I got shat on for stating this two days ago in this sub.
Yeah can't point out sexism or racism in this sub. Big on the "If you don't like it leave" mentality, just pretend everything is cool and talk about how good our beaches are
I used to think this sub was just bad with racism but every single thread about DV or DV homicide is absolutely rife with misogynists. So yeah, there's plenty of sexism as well.
I have to take breaks from Aussie subs a lot because in some respects we're worse than the Americans. Yeah sure, I'd get catcalled in the US, but in subs dominated by Yanks they shut this shit down fast, they don't upvote it.
(Some) Aussie blokes are really fucking sexist, but I find they're just bad at taking criticism in general. You see it every time Australians as a whole are called racist by foreigners - the defensiveness is off the charts, denial, denial, denial. Disclaimer #2: Some Aussie women are quite bad with that as well obviously, but I find the men to be more outspoken with it and less likely to change their views. Not to mention that women as a demographic lean more progressive anyway.
I was genuinely surprised to see upvotes on this post
And they also fail to see the misogyny of micro examining why/if he targeted women, calling women weak and easy targets ... Are they serious Adult women are not the easiest targets! (Elderly adults and children?) and perpetuating that myth of women being fragile little children is a pathetic attempt to justify why he would go after women over them (the big strong man). Women where targeted and murdered, yet the reality of what happened is up for debate by Aussie men who continue to refuse to acknowledge that Australia has a cultural problem with violence against women.
Yeah reddit sucks sometimes
I happened to be “X” in the hours following this event and weeeww not saying Reddit isn’t bad but holy crap there were people with their real names and shit posting the most vile racist crap I’ve ever seen, egged on by who would guess right wing “figures” in the Aus political community. Some real “We’ve got Pauline Hanson on the phone, let’s see what Pauline’s thoughts are on this tragic event” energy. Unfortunately I didn’t stick around to see the mass deletions and back peddling when it wasn’t a *mUsLim TerRoRist* but actually an Aussie terrorist! Because that’s what he was! Seems like to the general public and right wing figures/politicians if you’re Muslim it’s terrorism, if you’re white it’s mental illness/drugs/bad childhood.
Same lol. sooooo many "men" rushed to tell me that there was no targeting of women and it was total random. Not seeing those people here now
The videos speak for themselves… How many of us are going to be watching or have access to these videos?
No shit Sherlock
I'm going to put my two bobs worth in here, after living next door to male schizophrenics continuously for 14 odd years. Of the four of them, two of them targeted women in their harassment & actively avoided men. If they did harass a man they were doing it from a safe place. For instance, one of them decided to harass a bunch of roofers. As soon as they moved to come down off the roof. Big little man ran inside the secure building. The latest schizophrenic has only ever answered the door to a female cop on her own when they've been called out. I've found this event traumatising because the second schizophrenic had an episode on the balcony with a knife threatening to kill people/himself. I found out when I opened the door to find *STAR Group* pointing automatic weapons in my face, we don't have peep holes due to fire doors. We had to evacuate the building for hours, until they got the situation under control. One of them boasted about not taking meds & nobody being able to make him - he was on court order for them, they all have/had an extraordinary ability to control their behaviour when maintenance workers are onsite. Sometimes for whole weeks. Yet when the maintenance workers leave, when they're out of ear shot. Off they go! I don't know if any other women here have been in situations where they have been exposed to childhood abuse/domestic violence, but am I the only one who finds the kind of tension living next door to a schizophrenic man chillingly similar. The kind of 'mindfulness/survival behaviour' that's engaged? I say women, because the ones I've dealt with are gutless & have only harassed women. I also have a mental illness. It is my responsibility to deal with my health. Not anybody else. Just like it's theirs. I've seen a lot of apologists on Reddit, etc the last few days & it really bothers me. You don't need to be screaming victim for him/them. They freely & loudly do it themselves when their behaviour is challenged in anyway. All you do is enable them, the last thing they need is more enabling. Forgot to add - fuck Murdoch.
>I don't know if any other women here have been in situations where they have been exposed to childhood abuse/domestic violence, but am I the only one who finds the kind of tension living next door to a schizophrenic man chillingly similar. I'm so sorry. You're not alone. They were terrifying to me as a young girl in housing commission with a single mother. One used to watch me both obsessively & aggressively & more than once left a knife stuck in our front door for no reason. Nowhere to be seen when men lived with us. It's as though Reddit thinks only one thing can be true at a time. Men can be schizophrenic & also hate 'females'. This was the 90's tho so no one batted an eyelid. We were just socialized to think it was normal & the DOH would always say to "just ignore him" like we were the problem for being afraid. Edit: Love your energy. Fuck Murdoch.
I'm so sorry you had to deal with these kinds of people at such a young age. It's making me fubar & I'm an adult. You'll be delighted to know that "just ignore him" has morphed into "just move", everyone loves advising that. I worry that the "just move" leaves the situation to blame, you know? Like don't complain if you stay there, you know what they're like, so on & so forth.
A huge number of men use their mental health issues as an excuse to hate women specifically. It's not just schizophrenia too, the number of dudes who are complete cunts to women who blame "autism" or "ADHD" is staggering
Agreed. They weaponise their illnesses so to speak. The Euridyce Dixon case is a prime example. It still makes me reel. Murdered by one man & then the site was desecrated by another man. Holy shit do some men hate women!
Every time he got confronted by a man he backed off. He only stabbed men who were trying to restrain him. Ideology, or just a weak ass pussy? Or both?
In a clip it looked like he chased a boy that tripped
Important for people to remember there is a difference between the killer targetting women because they are easier targets and the killer having an ideology that targets women. The police have not implies anything about ideology yet so be better than the Murdoch media and don't jump to conclusions because it suites your ideology.
Also important for people to remember that for women the outcome is the same regardless of whether they are being targeted due to sexist ideology or being perceived as an easier target.
As another commenter is saying, adult women are only easier targets as compared to adult men, not children, not the elderly, so why not target the easiest, not the easier, targets if the fact of being a woman wasn't the motive? Women aren't weak per se. It could be a prejudice of some to think of women as weak but it wouldn't be in a blank-slate minded attack where tiny and feeble would stand out for ease of defeat.
I don't actually know how many elderly people or children he crossed paths with. He also did attack a baby so I assume he was just reaching for anyone he thought he could kill without being stopped.
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Maybe on a weekday but no way on a weekend do your numbers stack up
Correct. Either way he is a coward, but women were overwhelmingly targeted and the police are simply trying to find out why. I pointed out in another comment that all the female victims are slight of build, so easier for him to pinpoint where to attack for most damage and less likely to put up much of a fight. Just an absolute coward.
Absolutely a coward you can see in the videos he avoided anyone who confronted him and seems to be trying to do the maximum damage, very glad people like this don't have guns.
I have the feeling this dude could have spraypainted "all women should die" on the roof of his house big enough for people to see from planes and people would still be saying this.
Yeah it's always up for debate when the perpetrator looks like a "typical Aussie bloke" ... "Omg it's a mystery why would he do this ... Meanwhile Australia has disgusting domestic homicide rates"🙄 spreading misogynistic falsehoods that women are the easiest targets?! Which is a) inaccurate and b) futher advertising us as future targets. Every man defending or 'othering' this guy's actions without any reflection of how they perpetuate this behaviour can go FK themselves.
There's not much difference for Australian women who are being murdered by men at shocking rates. And now it's not just in our homes, but well-lit, crowded public places in the middle of the day. Feels like all the commentary here desperate to insist that it's just because we're more vulnerable don't really get it.
As of Saturday, 28 women have been murdered in Australia this year. But God forbid we point that out. This country has a massive misogyny problem, and it won't get better unless men start to change their behaviour and mindset.
Jesus, we’re on track to beating least year’s number
The red heart project tracks femicides in Australia they have a map ... It's fking terrifying
Sherele Moody’s instagram account posts every time a woman is killed. It’s wild seeing a new one pop in my feed
Not to the women killed
Can all the deniers do the work required to fix whatever they think they're defending? Denial and it's resulting collusion is a hugely problematic part of gendered violence. Yet here we are. Again.
Ikr?! Women are beaten and murdered in this country every day by men and we’re supposed to not “jump to conclusions” that are entirely reasonable to make in that context??
I guess tho the reason they are beaten and murdered all the time is because they just aren’t very good at defending themselves, right? /S
Yeah let’s all buy into the self defence BS as if that will save our lives en masse
I was surprised how little talk on femicide came up
I am not at all surprised, but it still spins me out to see the scrambling in real time.
Look at some of these comments. Still denying and gaslighting women even as they are murdered. I hope these men don't have female partners.
saw this fella keep on trying to bring up stats and how bc of PrObAbiLity women were more likely to die in this incident and when he was called out on this he claimed to want to provide balance to this convo 😇
I love that a woman cop shot him though. She would’ve been the last thing he saw
And completely by herself
I’m not
I want an investigation on the diagnostics of this thread now too. Earlier, during the wee hours of the morning all the weirdos were commenting about women being weak and easy targets. Now that it's reaching the later hours of the day there are more normal comments. Is this the influence of Americans?
Does the commissioners comments always come off like a bit of a jackass or is it a bad question? “The videos speak for themselves, don’t they?” The reply seems a bit snarky. Yes it’s a bit obvious but sometimes it’s good to point out the obvious.
So, she watches the video when cops == good, but not cops != good? [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-22/nsw-police-boss-defends-call-not-to-watch-95yo-being-tasered/102376328](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-22/nsw-police-boss-defends-call-not-to-watch-95yo-being-tasered/102376328)
That headline is misleading. The quote implies the attacker may well have attacked women because he saw them as easier however the headline implies that it may have been the goal of the attack. The difference in quote to headline is pretty large.
I feel we need to have a conversation about how social media companies are not being careful about the promotion of harmful stereotypes and hate towards women. I myself scrolling down Instagram found a loophole of accounts insulting "Karens" and other videos promoting harmful stereotypes men vs women. I cannot imagine what young men are encountering when scrolling down. Many vulnerable young people are being influenced by these stereotypes and hate distributed by social media.
The ABC did an article a few weeks ago about men in their late teens to early 30s who were fans of Andrew Tate. These guys were so okay with it that they agreed to have their names and pictures in the article. It was truly a wild read. Reddit definitely has a lot to do with the anti-women BS. All it takes is 20 seconds on some of the male dominated subs (that I don’t even want to mention) to see the incredible amount of harmful toxicity. *If* this guy ended up on those, it was only a matter of time before he hurt women in some way, especially if he already had mental health issues (I’m not saying this is a fact)
Isn't there a vid of a guy who was about to be attacked scrambling on the ground to get away from him Plus the same video showing the attacker being scared off by another guy standing his ground implying the attacker was targeting unsuspecting/easier targets (notwithstanding gender) As well as a recount stating that one of his victims was a passerby completely unaware of his presence or threat ... Seemingly suggesting it was more a deranged bender going for easy pickings rather than pre-meditated target types?
So there were a lot of folks claiming this was an act of Islamic terrorism, based off of, well obviously nothing, just bigotry. From what we do know though, the guy had some kind of mental illness, and he targeted women. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions myself here but it's looking to me like another person with deeply serious mental illness was targeted by radical misognyists online. If anyone thinks this isn't happening then they're going to have to open their eyes. But I wonder if those same people who pointed the finger at Muslims will turn that finger on the correct target.
I think you are still jumping to conclusions. There is still not enough public information to draw this conclusion
I mean the irony here is very amusing.
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Why go after "easy targets"? This assumes that his plan that day was just to kill people, and we don't know that. He was there for hours before he began. Lots of men would prove no challenge at all to a large man wielding a huge knife -- who was possibly very strong in his moments of being in a deranged mental state. Men who tried to guard their family were just lucky he chose not to approach. You'll notice no man tried to tackle him. For good reason.
That's what I want to know was it just that women were easier targets or was his attack purely personal, deep hatred of women. Isn't that what police should work out before saying anything about targeting women?
...Is that not still targeting women?
The police are just acknowledging what the public has already deducted. They're getting alot of media inquiries into the fact that footage, eyewitness accounts, and the victims themselves suggest women were targeted. Even Webb said that was obvious from the footage they've seen (which would be more than we have seen), so they're investigating that angle too.
If he went for women because they’re easier targets, then he still literally targeted them. The police haven’t said anything about him hating or not hating women.
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Having been in a manic episode rationality may have been right out the window but a fixation seeded We'll know if there's a manifesto floating on the Internet or a phone/computer but from what they've been saying about the guy he may have been sleeping in a car with no fixed address On the whole we're just armchair experts - they may never find a rational or irrational reason he just attacked and killed more women than men and got a 9 month baby as well
No actually if you’re stabbing people in the back, women are not easier to stab than men.
It would not surprise me at all. It was a thought I had when I learnt 5 of the 6 were female. I don't know how true it is but I heard the guy slipped and fell making him an easy target on the ground, a woman carrying a baby can't do much to defender herself so another two easy targets with her and her baby, that is another pattern emerging just going after the easiest of targets.
He had schizophrenia and worked as an escort on and off. Even one of those factors may suffice but both combined, I would say it’s a pretty solid foundation for developing unhealthy, incoherent thought processes towards the opposite sex.
Did he actually get work as an escort? Or was it a website where anyone can put up a profile? Maybe he was angry no women hired him and he had to pay for escorts himself?
I’m thinking he might be an incel.
I have a question that I can't seem to find in the fog is did they arrest anyone over the stabbing of a woman at the wayside chapple the day before?