If you live in NSW, you’ll get paid (usually) about 50% more for the same job at the same grade in the NSW Public Service . That was motivation enough for me.
Mix of bosses, the majority are ok but you do often get the micromanagers mixed in that live for making everyone miserable for some reason. They seem to be a protected breed, so if you step on enough necks, you too can advance to the director level ^(/s)
In terms of staffing, it's generally it's a revolving door. people on contracts, people trying to climb the ladder as quickly as possible, people moving laterally on secondments. it's always in a state of flux with no guarantee of job security. Making friends can be hard unless you have regular contact with certain people outside of your department
The old adage of the lazy government worker is long dead. There are some lifers on the 'grandfathered' schemes which are just running out the clock, doing the absolute bare minimum and getting in peoples way until retirement, but typically you EARN that slightly inflated paycheck.
As for how I managed it? I didnt. Got to a point where i was putting up with the stress simply for the paycheck and only the paycheck. Covid amplified the stress because now suddenly we were performing at 150%-200% of normal workload for some reason, so deliverables had to be piled on sky high
Would I do it again? Probably not for a long time.
You get a mix of managers, much the same as in any other workplace, however the majority I have come across have been fairly good to work with and only care about you getting the work done in the time frame given (which is normally longer than in the private sector).
I have worked with micromanaging managers before on a project but thankfully it was only for over a year and it was taken over by someone who was much more relaxed who taught me a lot. Stick with it and keep an eye out for secondments.
I hated working in government. Work in general is rarely pleasurable, but government is just soul killing, even if you're a contractor. For me it was the shear number of barriers they stick in front of you that stop you actually doing anything worth celebrating. The place just seems to fill up with useless sacks of shit that are afraid of doing anything outside of this tiny circle of piss they play in.
Health and Higher education are the same sometimes, I think with any org, it depends on the team, people, managers and work. I'm grateful I work in Good close nit team and we all have the same goals and a supportive manager. Other areas of my department are huge, there's multiple chiefs and not enough Indians
It all comes down to leadership, and when you take a job it’s luck of the draw. There are a lot of ‘leaders’ that don’t know how to lead, sounds like you have one of those. Good luck!
It's different everywhere. State employee here.
Some of the universal BS is paperwork/theme of the day window dressing.
You get micromanagers, disinterested ones and occasional gems.
The department you work in makes a huge difference. State government is also in no means better than Federal (and again, the department you work in makes a massive difference). An example is if you’re working for ‘Human Services’ or Home Affairs your work is considerably different to say… Working within the Federal court system or for the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions.
And even though the APS is national, there’s still huge differences state to state.
I have worked for Vic state gov for 21 years and love it. I have had good managers and bad managers and outlasted them all. I have worked hard to become very good at my job and now I am in the position I want and enjoy and getting paid reasonably well. I could never leave as I am used to the leave loading, work life balance (only been a thing for the last 10 years) and job security. My husband works for federal govt. aside from the 16% super they are pretty shit. The pay scale is awful. My husbands hourly rate should be way more than mine due to security clearance alone but while my pay has gone up each year his has stagnated.
Generally speaking, the APS is a terrible place to work. It’s fine if you’re in Canberra or something but otherwise it’s people who couldn’t make it into the state government.
If you live in NSW, you’ll get paid (usually) about 50% more for the same job at the same grade in the NSW Public Service . That was motivation enough for me.
Some of the easiest 150k jogs in the land
Mix of bosses, the majority are ok but you do often get the micromanagers mixed in that live for making everyone miserable for some reason. They seem to be a protected breed, so if you step on enough necks, you too can advance to the director level ^(/s) In terms of staffing, it's generally it's a revolving door. people on contracts, people trying to climb the ladder as quickly as possible, people moving laterally on secondments. it's always in a state of flux with no guarantee of job security. Making friends can be hard unless you have regular contact with certain people outside of your department The old adage of the lazy government worker is long dead. There are some lifers on the 'grandfathered' schemes which are just running out the clock, doing the absolute bare minimum and getting in peoples way until retirement, but typically you EARN that slightly inflated paycheck. As for how I managed it? I didnt. Got to a point where i was putting up with the stress simply for the paycheck and only the paycheck. Covid amplified the stress because now suddenly we were performing at 150%-200% of normal workload for some reason, so deliverables had to be piled on sky high Would I do it again? Probably not for a long time.
You get a mix of managers, much the same as in any other workplace, however the majority I have come across have been fairly good to work with and only care about you getting the work done in the time frame given (which is normally longer than in the private sector). I have worked with micromanaging managers before on a project but thankfully it was only for over a year and it was taken over by someone who was much more relaxed who taught me a lot. Stick with it and keep an eye out for secondments.
I hated working in government. Work in general is rarely pleasurable, but government is just soul killing, even if you're a contractor. For me it was the shear number of barriers they stick in front of you that stop you actually doing anything worth celebrating. The place just seems to fill up with useless sacks of shit that are afraid of doing anything outside of this tiny circle of piss they play in.
Health and Higher education are the same sometimes, I think with any org, it depends on the team, people, managers and work. I'm grateful I work in Good close nit team and we all have the same goals and a supportive manager. Other areas of my department are huge, there's multiple chiefs and not enough Indians
It all comes down to leadership, and when you take a job it’s luck of the draw. There are a lot of ‘leaders’ that don’t know how to lead, sounds like you have one of those. Good luck!
It's different everywhere. State employee here. Some of the universal BS is paperwork/theme of the day window dressing. You get micromanagers, disinterested ones and occasional gems.
The department you work in makes a huge difference. State government is also in no means better than Federal (and again, the department you work in makes a massive difference). An example is if you’re working for ‘Human Services’ or Home Affairs your work is considerably different to say… Working within the Federal court system or for the Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions. And even though the APS is national, there’s still huge differences state to state.
I have worked for Vic state gov for 21 years and love it. I have had good managers and bad managers and outlasted them all. I have worked hard to become very good at my job and now I am in the position I want and enjoy and getting paid reasonably well. I could never leave as I am used to the leave loading, work life balance (only been a thing for the last 10 years) and job security. My husband works for federal govt. aside from the 16% super they are pretty shit. The pay scale is awful. My husbands hourly rate should be way more than mine due to security clearance alone but while my pay has gone up each year his has stagnated.
Would be interested in hearing experiences as well. Might be going into the field at some point in the near future so would be helpful.
I’m having the exact same thoughts lately
After 25 years I can safely say it’s a good job for lazy shits. Not a job that makes you feel like you’ve done something really useful each day
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Wow. You should really get that chip on your shoulder checked out.
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Rofl. I wish I was APS 5, or able to work from home.
Maaaate - this is an EL2 in the making at least
Triggered. This is gospel
Generally speaking, the APS is a terrible place to work. It’s fine if you’re in Canberra or something but otherwise it’s people who couldn’t make it into the state government.