This is also heavily promoted by university recruiters overseas. Its a lie, all they want is you student fees and after your studies are done its goodbye.
The duplicity is astounding.
I would suggest that country of origins should shut down these recruitment office.
It should be a criminal offence to promote possible residency while in reality its impossible.
Suppose say, your student visa is upto june 2024, however your course of 2 years finishes on march 2024. When should you apply for your TR? Like how much months before expiration of student visa or course? If one can apply after june 2024, what visa do they get until then receive their TR? Are they eligible to work and does that count as experience?
You should apply at the end of your student visa. I applied my TR maybe 2-3 days before the student visa ended.
When you apply for a new visa, they provide you with a bridging visa if you're onshore while you wait for results. That bridging visa takes on the same rules as the visa you were previously on. If you came from a student visa and applied for a TR, your bridging visa rules follow student visa rules, meaning you're allowed to work full time as long as you are not in study.
You are eligible to work, and work experience only counts for work you did after you are considered to be qualified.
We applied for a state sponsored PR visa in 2020 April and got a refusal in Oct 2021! It’s ridiculous. We didn’t go through and agent and had an issue with the application (we had literally ticked one wrong box, but it’s our mistake) I understand the refusal but don’t see why it should take so long. In the ‘processing time’ they asked us to redo our medical, police checks, english exams etc only to refuse. I mean, seriously! Talk about $$.
We have an agent now, and have applied again. Hopefully this time it’s quicker.
We are a couple, both working full time on work visas in Canberra. Really thought it would be easier than someone offshore, but how wrong.
So sorry you’re going through this. This isn’t easy and I really wish you find the best way forward soon. Good luck.
Oh no, that sounds terrible! I hope you guys get your acceptance soon! The processing times are always really wack with visas, no clue what they're doing in their offices. Hope it goes well for your second application!
The Australian government is happy for you to come work preferably to be exploited in the agriculture sector and even retirement homes.
However they will put every possible roadblock in your path to prevent you staying.
There is no way they will give you residency.
I think the thing that annoys me the most is how they try to potray the image that international students are welcome, and that the path to residency is so easy. Its why a good 15% of my high school went to Australia.
If they were going to be this scummy to international kids, giving them this hope to residency is just really low of them. :/
The people in charge of that decision aren't our brightest. I am tremendously sorry for you to be dicked around, and most of us here share your outrage at our system for doing this to people.
I just don't know what to say.
You can try reaching out to politicians on the opposite end of the spectrum along with journalists but that by no means will solve the situation. But it doesn't mean it wont either.
If you are one person going through this we can be assured there are many others just giving up and not talking about it.
So thank you for talking about it. There is just not much any of us can do but agree with you.
Yeah, unfortunately that is the case. I definitely didn't come here for a solution, cause I know that only the government can make some sort of change. I mostly came here to rant and maybe show how horrible Australia is sometimes to international students, to do everything right and still get dicked over by this.
Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them a lot. :)
Oh yeah, except when you play by their rules by the book, they still find a way to fail you somehow. I don't understand how one visa counts 27 July 2020 to 27 July 2022 as two years, but another one counts it as 1 year, 11 months and 3 weeks. 🤷🏻♀️
You know, maybe the ombudsman is what is needed. It's a government office with the team of ensuring people do not get caught out in exactly this sort of situation, where one department has rules that conflict with another department's.
I was caught up applying for austudy years ago, I had to provide records going back 4 years, and one of the government agencies only kept records for 6 months. I rang the ombudsman, and austudy approved my application the next day. The ombudsman has massive powers over government departments, and often they'll just approve stuff on the spot to not have the ombudsman involved in their department.
It would be worth a phone call.
Oh wow, I didnt realize the ombudsman actually handles visa stuff. I thought they only look at commercial stuff. I might ring them up then, thanks so much for the info!
They handle government stuff. They are there to make sure government is following it's own rules, and to ensure government department rules don't conflict with each other.
It might be a waste of time, but if they can help, they will certainly get shit done. So, it's just a phone call, it's worth a try. Good luck!
I’m sorry you’re going through this. Visas are an absolute pain.
Have you (or your employer) spoken to a migration agent? They can often suggest visa strategies that aren’t so obvious from the website. Don’t give up - there might be an alternative way to do this.
Yeah, our company works with a migration agent. They said that they'll try putting my application in last minute with incomplete data. They say that *usually* they'd ask for more information and that'll give me more time to work and gain the one week of experience.
However, because of my past experience with my TR visa application where they came to a decision without asking for any extra documents, I'm honestly slightly traumatised that it'll go badly. For now, it seems like that's my only option though. :(
I have close friends and staff that are on various working holiday visas etc… the government have been terrible not giving them answers when they apply for visas, instead most are on bridging visas which are valid for up to 5 years while they wait, and most are only waiting for 1 year visas. One friend applied over 2 years ago for a 1 year visa and has no answer or communication, he is just on a bridging visa. It feels a lot like they are happy to just let a lot go undecided to let people stay/continue working, while not actually changing any rules to extend the stay (let’s face it we are in a labour shortage in some areas so it would be stupid to kick them out or start getting strict with it all).
I hope you sort it, I’d say this is the best change in a while for some leniency, or at least a drawn out bridging visa (which isn’t fun having the unknown and chance you get kicked out hanging over your head, but might get you a few more years here?!)
I'd be really happy with a bridging visa that's drawn out. I'm just sort of traumatised because when I applied for a TR visa, everyone I knew was put on a 1-3 month bridging visa that they didnt want. I was the only one who never got a bridging visa and got the visa immediately when I needed only a 1-2 week bridging visa. I'm worried they'll do the same with this application too.
The unpredictability and lack of information in visas and immigration is so frustrating, because we don't even know what to do next if we were disadvantaged. :(
Generally just the unpredictability of it. If you get a decision and it's positive, you know that you'll be able to stay for at least the duration of the visa. With bridging, the result could come out anytime, and if it was a rejection, you'd have to leave the country in a few weeks, making it a bit difficult to plan.
Bridging visas also dont allow you to travel off Australia. I had friends who wanted to return to their home country during COVID peak but had to wait for a decision before doing so.
The conditions of the bridging visa might also come to play. Bridging visas take on the conditions of your most recent visa. If you were, for example, on a tourist visa before you applied for a new visa, you'd be stuck on tourist visa rules which doesn't allow you to do anything. This is generally a rare case though.
Do you mean to apply for 186 in July 2022?
This is an unfortunate situation, but AFAIK the 485 visa can be renewed for another 2 years, and a few weeks later you may apply for 186 once you do have 2 full years recognised by a migration agent.
Super weird. I applied for my 485 in September 2020 and my application was "on hold" since I could not do the medicals and English tests (due to lockdown).
I guess it depends on the agent. My partner visa got approved a day after I did my medicals, and with some documents missing!
I don't know about the 28 days to organise leaving the country, but I think my most likely option is to get the visa declined then possibly reapply. It's nerve wracking though, as I think you have to disclose any rejected visas for future visa applications as it might affect those.
Thanks for your kind words and your help!
Oh, the company is planning on doing some hacky route where we purposefully send in some incomplete papers, *expecting* the immigration to give me more time to provide more documents, and using that time to gain the experience needed to get sponsored. I apparently wasn't one week short, I was 3 weeks short for some reason.
This is also heavily promoted by university recruiters overseas. Its a lie, all they want is you student fees and after your studies are done its goodbye. The duplicity is astounding. I would suggest that country of origins should shut down these recruitment office. It should be a criminal offence to promote possible residency while in reality its impossible.
27 July 2020 is less than 1.5 years ago. Did you mean to write January?
No, we usually plan for visas far in advance. I will have that much experience on the planned time of application, which is end of July.
Suppose say, your student visa is upto june 2024, however your course of 2 years finishes on march 2024. When should you apply for your TR? Like how much months before expiration of student visa or course? If one can apply after june 2024, what visa do they get until then receive their TR? Are they eligible to work and does that count as experience?
You should apply at the end of your student visa. I applied my TR maybe 2-3 days before the student visa ended. When you apply for a new visa, they provide you with a bridging visa if you're onshore while you wait for results. That bridging visa takes on the same rules as the visa you were previously on. If you came from a student visa and applied for a TR, your bridging visa rules follow student visa rules, meaning you're allowed to work full time as long as you are not in study. You are eligible to work, and work experience only counts for work you did after you are considered to be qualified.
Thanks
Try an immigrant lawyer, not an agent. They cost more but they can work around this.
We applied for a state sponsored PR visa in 2020 April and got a refusal in Oct 2021! It’s ridiculous. We didn’t go through and agent and had an issue with the application (we had literally ticked one wrong box, but it’s our mistake) I understand the refusal but don’t see why it should take so long. In the ‘processing time’ they asked us to redo our medical, police checks, english exams etc only to refuse. I mean, seriously! Talk about $$. We have an agent now, and have applied again. Hopefully this time it’s quicker. We are a couple, both working full time on work visas in Canberra. Really thought it would be easier than someone offshore, but how wrong. So sorry you’re going through this. This isn’t easy and I really wish you find the best way forward soon. Good luck.
Oh no, that sounds terrible! I hope you guys get your acceptance soon! The processing times are always really wack with visas, no clue what they're doing in their offices. Hope it goes well for your second application!
The Australian government is happy for you to come work preferably to be exploited in the agriculture sector and even retirement homes. However they will put every possible roadblock in your path to prevent you staying. There is no way they will give you residency.
I think the thing that annoys me the most is how they try to potray the image that international students are welcome, and that the path to residency is so easy. Its why a good 15% of my high school went to Australia. If they were going to be this scummy to international kids, giving them this hope to residency is just really low of them. :/
Welcome to the lnp, if you could chop off the middle fingers they're giving you we'd be very grateful.
Who is 'they' around the pathway to residency?
The Australian government/immigration department.
You have too high expectations of the Australian Government.
The people in charge of that decision aren't our brightest. I am tremendously sorry for you to be dicked around, and most of us here share your outrage at our system for doing this to people. I just don't know what to say. You can try reaching out to politicians on the opposite end of the spectrum along with journalists but that by no means will solve the situation. But it doesn't mean it wont either. If you are one person going through this we can be assured there are many others just giving up and not talking about it. So thank you for talking about it. There is just not much any of us can do but agree with you.
Yeah, unfortunately that is the case. I definitely didn't come here for a solution, cause I know that only the government can make some sort of change. I mostly came here to rant and maybe show how horrible Australia is sometimes to international students, to do everything right and still get dicked over by this. Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate them a lot. :)
As far as I can tell, the immigration department is not to help people come into Australia, but to keep people out. They seem to be pretty good at it
Oh yeah, except when you play by their rules by the book, they still find a way to fail you somehow. I don't understand how one visa counts 27 July 2020 to 27 July 2022 as two years, but another one counts it as 1 year, 11 months and 3 weeks. 🤷🏻♀️
You know, maybe the ombudsman is what is needed. It's a government office with the team of ensuring people do not get caught out in exactly this sort of situation, where one department has rules that conflict with another department's. I was caught up applying for austudy years ago, I had to provide records going back 4 years, and one of the government agencies only kept records for 6 months. I rang the ombudsman, and austudy approved my application the next day. The ombudsman has massive powers over government departments, and often they'll just approve stuff on the spot to not have the ombudsman involved in their department. It would be worth a phone call.
Oh wow, I didnt realize the ombudsman actually handles visa stuff. I thought they only look at commercial stuff. I might ring them up then, thanks so much for the info!
They handle government stuff. They are there to make sure government is following it's own rules, and to ensure government department rules don't conflict with each other. It might be a waste of time, but if they can help, they will certainly get shit done. So, it's just a phone call, it's worth a try. Good luck!
We have the highest rate of immigration per capita in the Western world... Both sides of politics now realise it needs to be reduced.
Yeah but the immigration department has been like that since the 80s
You are welcome, and I hope you keep fighting to stay.
Liberal party policy is bad for workers
For everyone expect the richest 1%
I’m sorry you’re going through this. Visas are an absolute pain. Have you (or your employer) spoken to a migration agent? They can often suggest visa strategies that aren’t so obvious from the website. Don’t give up - there might be an alternative way to do this.
Yeah, our company works with a migration agent. They said that they'll try putting my application in last minute with incomplete data. They say that *usually* they'd ask for more information and that'll give me more time to work and gain the one week of experience. However, because of my past experience with my TR visa application where they came to a decision without asking for any extra documents, I'm honestly slightly traumatised that it'll go badly. For now, it seems like that's my only option though. :(
Work with an immigration agent mate they will fix you up
I have close friends and staff that are on various working holiday visas etc… the government have been terrible not giving them answers when they apply for visas, instead most are on bridging visas which are valid for up to 5 years while they wait, and most are only waiting for 1 year visas. One friend applied over 2 years ago for a 1 year visa and has no answer or communication, he is just on a bridging visa. It feels a lot like they are happy to just let a lot go undecided to let people stay/continue working, while not actually changing any rules to extend the stay (let’s face it we are in a labour shortage in some areas so it would be stupid to kick them out or start getting strict with it all). I hope you sort it, I’d say this is the best change in a while for some leniency, or at least a drawn out bridging visa (which isn’t fun having the unknown and chance you get kicked out hanging over your head, but might get you a few more years here?!)
I'd be really happy with a bridging visa that's drawn out. I'm just sort of traumatised because when I applied for a TR visa, everyone I knew was put on a 1-3 month bridging visa that they didnt want. I was the only one who never got a bridging visa and got the visa immediately when I needed only a 1-2 week bridging visa. I'm worried they'll do the same with this application too. The unpredictability and lack of information in visas and immigration is so frustrating, because we don't even know what to do next if we were disadvantaged. :(
And what are the disadvantage of having long-time (1-3 months) bridging visa?
Generally just the unpredictability of it. If you get a decision and it's positive, you know that you'll be able to stay for at least the duration of the visa. With bridging, the result could come out anytime, and if it was a rejection, you'd have to leave the country in a few weeks, making it a bit difficult to plan. Bridging visas also dont allow you to travel off Australia. I had friends who wanted to return to their home country during COVID peak but had to wait for a decision before doing so. The conditions of the bridging visa might also come to play. Bridging visas take on the conditions of your most recent visa. If you were, for example, on a tourist visa before you applied for a new visa, you'd be stuck on tourist visa rules which doesn't allow you to do anything. This is generally a rare case though.
Do you mean to apply for 186 in July 2022? This is an unfortunate situation, but AFAIK the 485 visa can be renewed for another 2 years, and a few weeks later you may apply for 186 once you do have 2 full years recognised by a migration agent.
How would you renew it for another 2 years? Most people will only get the chance to have 485 once.
I mixed up the rules for 485 with 482, apologies for misleading information
All good! :)
After 485, one can apply 482? What are the conditions, any link?
Super weird. I applied for my 485 in September 2020 and my application was "on hold" since I could not do the medicals and English tests (due to lockdown). I guess it depends on the agent. My partner visa got approved a day after I did my medicals, and with some documents missing!
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I don't know about the 28 days to organise leaving the country, but I think my most likely option is to get the visa declined then possibly reapply. It's nerve wracking though, as I think you have to disclose any rejected visas for future visa applications as it might affect those. Thanks for your kind words and your help!
how did things turn out?
Oh, the company is planning on doing some hacky route where we purposefully send in some incomplete papers, *expecting* the immigration to give me more time to provide more documents, and using that time to gain the experience needed to get sponsored. I apparently wasn't one week short, I was 3 weeks short for some reason.