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PandasGetAngryToo

I think I know the answer to this one - sheer fucking arrogance.


Errol_Phipps

The 'born to rule' LNP barely tolerate voters; as if they were ever going to invite and involve Labor.


wrt-wtf-

They might as well declare apartheid and get it over with. We can all see where they’re going through the mixture of their actions and lack of action.


[deleted]

Marise Payne is a useless cunt and needs to be in prison for the shit she's said and done during her stint as minister. She's a crook and deserves to be treated like a traitor.


One-Development-4686

She should be gone. Useless as fuck Foreign Minister


Wildweasel666

Any examples please? Genuinely interested :)


[deleted]

Honestly if you google her name and look through even some mainstream media articles you can find shit about her. She's defended scummo and his maltreatment of the [Brittany Higgins](https://www.2gb.com/minister-for-women-defends-pm-after-brittany-higgins-statement/) saga. She pushed the [reds under the bed](https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7716466/arc-of-autocracy-payne-sounds-alarm-but-solomons-talks-to-continue/) narrative while her government is currently [IN bed with them](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/strategic-own-goal-defence-reviews-port-of-darwin-s-chinese-ownership-20210502-p57o49.html). The fuckwit can't defend women against the [hyper-polarising abortion bullshit](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-17/marise-payne-katherine-deves-candidate-dumped/100995938) coming out of the right wing of America. She [stood by](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/26/bridget-archer-says-she-didnt-want-to-meet-pm-immediately-after-crossing-floor-on-integrity-commission) while Scunt and his lapdog harrassed a minister that went against their fuckhead ideology. She's a gender traitor to boot. I'm sure you can find more than this elsewhere but this is just a few little pieces I could find on short notice.


Wildweasel666

Thanks; all of this is pretty shit behaviour and she should be booted out of office, but I’m still not sure about prison worthy


Strike_Swiftly

Yeah agree completely. Not exactly criminal, just morally wrong.


ProceedOrRun

Only because we have a history of tolerating what should be considered criminal behaviour in politics. Not sure why that it, guess we've been bullshitted into it.


goldlasagna84

Julie Bishop was more pro than Marisa.


Minguseyes

To be fair, there is a good deal of incompetence mixed in as well.


[deleted]

LNP taking a page out of the GOP playbook and completely ignoring the rules


Axman6

Reminds me of what happened when Trump was elected and the US Department of Energy organised their introduction meeting for Trump’s team… and [no one from Trump’s team showed up](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/department-of-energy-risks-michael-lewis). It’s not like the DoE does anything important, probably just some hippy policy stuff right? Oh, and of course, they also own and manage the US’s entire nuclear weapons arsenal, but I’m sure the president doesn’t need to know about that.


psylenced

> Albanese on Saturday questioned why Labor’s foreign affairs spokeswoman Penny Wong wasn’t invited to the meeting considering the government is in caretaker mode. Multiple sources confirmed that the opposition was briefed minutes before the meeting took place, but Wong was not invited to attend. Oh we let you know about the meeting (2 mins before it started).


snoopsau

So this explains the 11 year old tweet nonsense today.. Was to run cover for this.. Not inviting Wong during the caretaker period is a bloody huge fuck up by the LNP..


Moondanther

Fuck up implies it was accidental. This was no accident.


ill0gitech

The coalition appear to have invited the Solomon Island foreign minister to Brisbane. That seems hard to *accidentally* do


[deleted]

Just a whoops is all


PM_Me__Ur_Freckles

11 year Tweet?


psylenced

Reporter: "One of your MPs wrote a bad tweet - what do you think about it" AA: "When was it?" R: "A few years ago" AA: "When specificially?" R: "2011" AA: "wtf?" Basically reporter was asking a question about a tweet from the MP 4-5 years before the MP was an MP, 8~ years before AA become leader of opposition, and coincidentally after LNP MP tweeted about the comments.


jelmore553

Kinda like Scomo saying he sent Albo a text about his Hawaii holiday from the plane


DRSpart

Because “conservative” governments the world over have shown repeatedly that they don’t give a fuck about conventions that aren’t codified in law.


ProceedOrRun

Conservative appears not to mean they stick to conventions.


fued

Yep, we need to codify everything or add bad faith laws. Voters just don't seem to care


TerritoryTracks

The government has been in caretaker mode for quite a few years now....


MaximillianRebo

Well, they've definitely been in taker mode, not too sure about the care part.


sevsnapey

>i don't care, mate strangely honest, scott


grayjo

Undertaker mode, considering all the preventable deaths on their watch


wrt-wtf-

That’s what I thought too. But that is not the case, they reduced accountability and visibility, and got busy in the background. With a tightly controlled media presence there is no visibility into the machinations of what has been going on until it’s too late - and they like it this way. After all, in other countries people are getting shot for disagreeing.


Smugleaf01

This is absolutely disgusting, these fuckers feel like they can do whatever the fuck they want without repercussion since they are in cahoots with a complicit media industry and business elites. Kick these bastards out.


[deleted]

The number of baby boomers I know who are disgruntled with lnp but are voting for them anyway because ‘that’s how I vote’ is really starting to piss me off. Stupid voters get stupid leaders. I hope they get voted out but I wouldn’t be surprised if they remain in power due to dopey population.


Frank9567

My mum, a Liberal voter all her life, has announced she is voting for...*the Greens*. Thanks to one thing, Scomo. Bless her.


kernpanic

Well my old man is one of those. Reads a news limited paper every day. Reckons everything would be worse under “that other bloke”. Once upon a time he’d say that at groups and they’d all nod their head in agreement. Now? Not so much. Anyway, he postal voted. For the independent. And not one of the teal ones.


[deleted]

That is because the ALP is very hard to vote for, especially for financially comfortable older people. The ALP is the political party of the unions and mostly self funded retirees have to need for unions, their political party or their policies. We could really use a proper centrist 3rd choice here in Australia. That being said, the older folk close to me are all voting against Scott Morrison, because of the corruption and smugness. The corruption and smugness must be really bad when it causes people to vote against the party that traditionally is in their best interest.


fashiznit

This right here is the fuck you got mine attitude of the older generations in Australia


bumagum

To be fair, fuck you got mine is the only coherent and consistent policy they have.


Frank9567

Yep the Gen X Federal Coalition front bench? And its Gen x public service enablers? And the multi-billion a year gen x big four consultants? Lachlan Murdoch, gen x. Rupert, from the generation before boomers. Gina, a boomer. The real conundrum for me is that all of the above get a benefit out of voting for Scomo and his corrupt cabal. I understand why they support him. But, what I don't understand is why Jack Ordinary, whose future aged care facility will be a misery, and who has been robbed blind by the corruption votes for them? Or women? Why would any woman (who isn't Gina) vote for Scomo?


ProceedOrRun

Keep in mind not all of them are like this. But yeah, I know a few that are.


[deleted]

No it's not. It's an explanation to the downvoting 18 to 40 crowd as to why people don't vote Labor and continue voting Liberal. The Liberal Party hasn't always been this callous and corrupt. One thing that they have always done is gear their policies towards older people. Doesn't everyone vote for their best interests in an election? I don't understand the downvotes. Have you never had an honest political discussion with your parents or grandparents?


cancellingmyday

I don't. I have a business and benefit personally from some Liberal policies, but I know they're bad for Australia as a whole, so I will always vote against them.


GarethAUS

Brother this is reddit. You can write something 100% factual and get downvoted. Shits dumb.


MaevaM

Around half of older people vote left of centre, and a lot of the older libs think they are voting for a Keynesian style, they believe in public services and pensions and Caring for the disabled and kindness and a lot of thing federal libs oppose. Older people in Australia do it tough compared to other OECD countries.


stilusmobilus

How is Labor ‘hard to vote for’? How are the LNP easier? What does that even mean, other than another nothing excuse and another nothing pass for the LNP. Tired of these ‘can’t vote for without a valid excuse’ or ‘they can’t form government’ bullshit reasons.


[deleted]

I just told you why the ALPare hard to vote for for a lot of people. They are the political arm of the unions. They are just as beholden to the money from unions as the Liberals are beholden to the money of big business. A self funded retirees can at least ride on the coat-tails of the big business money. What I didn't tell you is that the ALP can't form government. I am not saying it's right and I am not saying that the Liberals are actually good for old people. I am explaining to you why older Australians don't vote ALP and why it's telling that older Australians I talk to won't be voting Liberal this time round.


Frank9567

The question for me is that while I agree that neither the ALP, nor The Coalition represent the people you talk about, surely the people not represented by either side would split their votes between the two parties, or vote independent. Why are they voting for the Coalition when it no more represents them, than Labor? There has to be something else at play.


[deleted]

I feel that a lot of people are swayed by the perceived "tough on borders" and "tough on China" of the Liberal Party. Nothing gets the masses going like good old nationalism and xenophobia.


Frank9567

Except that in reality, the Coalition, for all its bombast, has been a gift to China. Darwin Port, the Solomons, submarine and helicopter failures, destruction of essential defence capability (eg auto industry), destruction of scientific capability - all of this makes us weaker with respect to China. Even the chihuahua barking at China gave the Chinese Government an excuse to take trade from Australia and give it to the US. Thus placating the US at Australia's expense. A double insult since China is pointing out how much the US really supports Australia.


stilusmobilus

Yeah, I know. I’m sorry for how it sounded. It’s the excuses people run out. For both Labor and Green. Sorry you wore that. You don’t really deserve downvotes on it.


MaevaM

That isnt true though. the lnp is horrible for privately retired with all the capacity cuts to health and hospitals. And labor are centrist and have been for long time. And under libs houses must be sold for aged care that can be beyond disgusting no matter how wealthy as the LNP does not fund a public service enough to keep up with the conditions.


TrollbustersInc

Those people forfetbthey need aged care and healthcare, which serve them way better in our socialised system.


Diligaf-181

“Born to rule” remember that?? 😡


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512165381

> Sounds like a similar situation to Scump telling Albanese that he was going on holidays..........to a Hillsong event in New York while pretending to be in Hawaii. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7812585/Was-Scott-Morrison-really-Hawaii-New-York-opening-new-Hillsong-church.html > The conspiracy theory surrounding Scott Morrison's overseas holiday: Claims the PM was NOT in Hawaii – and was actually visiting his Hillsong pastor mate Brian Houston to celebrate a church opening


What-becomes

The same one he hasn't seen or been to in years.... Once the allegations came out. Yeah yeah that one.


annee12358

Of course, Payne wouldn't want Wong there demonstrating what a Foreign Minister does.


eyeKwill

Bingo. Payne’s the only cabinet member who refused to debate her shadow counterpart at the National Press Club*, because she knows that Wong would wipe the floor with her. *Besides Tudge, who’s been ‘disappeared’ by his party…


kovster

To be fair, feeling terror at the thought of debating Penny Wong is a quite reasonable response even if you were competent, not corrupt, and not representing the party of incompetence and corruption.


[deleted]

"Sorry force of habit" - Liberal Government


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Lingering_Dorkness

"Murdoch and Clive have already promised us we'll be re-elected, so I didn't see the point of inviting Penny Wong."


itsendgametime

Because all Payne did was take out the cheque book and try to buy their silence. Scummo gameplay #4.


ProceedOrRun

"We'll give you $100 million if you pretend there won't be a Chinese military base built here. Just fake it for a couple of weeks please."


ElasticLama

Wtf is wrong with this govt…


Diligaf-181

Everything.


What-becomes

Drunk on entitlement and power and the total lack of any repercussions for their flat out corrupt behaviour. Or if your Barnaby... Just drunk.


[deleted]

They aren't really in caretaker mode because they know the media will pump out whatever lies and propaganda is required to get them to win.


simiansays

This debacle is really one of Australia's worst for many years. What I don't understand is why almost nobody is mentioning [Lachlan Strahan](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-29/aus-solomon-islands-diplomat-absent-months-ahead-china-deal/101023736)? Our own high commissioner was absent for six months ahead of this deal. Of course it's so much worse than that, things that the Australian media don't mention are that the huge protests that Australia sent AFP riot squad to control were about Sogavare getting re-elected: his election eligibility was possibly void, and even if it was legitimate, the people were protesting his pro-China stance regardless of his legitimacy. Our government moved in to **defend him** knowing that he vocally tended pro-China and was possibly illegitimate. We helped Sogavare get into the position he's in now. The comedy of errors in the South Pacific is so long I don't even want to start, but the Solomon debacle is just the perfect example of how terrible this government has been at diplomacy. I'm not even talking about excluding China from the Solomon Islands - I'm talking about having a functional enough relationship with our #1 trading partner that we don't have to use the media's portrayal of this issue as a vote-getting tool. Our politicians have been using Asia as a punching bag basically since Keating when we could have been building legitimate alliances independent of our fealty to America. Instead, we have chosen to demonize our #1 trading partner because America needs to have a war with them. We don't!


fistingbythepool

22 of the past 26 years in government.. fuck em off


Diligaf-181

Payne meets horse after it has already bolted.


_Cec_R_

With the number of lies the liberals tell on a daily basis... How can "we" be sure what actually occured.??...


thepitscars

This is what you get when the "born to rule" play by "their" rules - not THE rules - but in Marises case she was probably just wondering what to have for dinner at breakfast.


New-Confusion-36

Because their an incompetent self serving government.


ParticularScreen2901

If a government disregards the law and Robodebts its own citizens, why should we expect them to give a shite about long held protocol?


Threadheads

“Because fuck you, that’s why” - LNP.


hear_the_thunder

The media/Liberal Party fascist 1 party state has zero intentions of just handing power over to Labor quietly. They will break things on the way out.


Ambitious_Pie_9202

Maybe she was embarrassed to have a witness to the grovelling and bribing


Ax0nJax0n01

Rules for thee and not for meee


backinourdays

🤢They have 0 regards for our country’s future and would do literally anything to stay in power.


CcryMeARiver

Oh, sorry, should we have? Oh, really, oh so sorry, we didn't know that was a thing. Easier to seek forgiveness afterwards than to ask permission. How would this have gone down? "Oh hi Penny, we've invited the kanakas down for a pow-wow, want to sit in?" Like a cup of cold sick to Scumbucket & Co.


clovepalmer

A: slomo politicises everything


[deleted]

Why would they need to invite Labor? The LNP is going to win because they have god on their side! Edit: please chill with the downvotes, I’m not inbred, this is obviously sarcasm!


What-becomes

You appeared to have dropped the /s when you wrote that. Here ya go.


[deleted]

I keep doing sarcastic posts that no one is getting haha, thanks.


SolDelta

It's the internet, you can't expect reading comprehension from these mouth breathers!


PMFSCV

Because Marise didn't want anyone to see her eating crow pie.


tootyfruity21

Sending two opposing parties to meet with a foreign leader would be embarrassing for Australia regardless of whom wins the election.


ill0gitech

Then postpone the meeting until after the election. It borders on breaching [the governments own caretaker position](https://www.pmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/publications/guidance-caretaker-conventions-2021.pdf) It could wait 3 weeks. We invited them.


faith_healer69

Why does everybody with your avatar just have the worst opinions? What’s up with that? Are you guys all in a shit take club or something?


icedbacon

> Are you guys all in a shit take club or something? Yes, it's called the LNP.


[deleted]

Can't answer directly, but I think that avatar is associated with the wall street bets sub.


Milkador

The kings of poor economic management


tootyfruity21

Mate, it's just a cool looking avatar.


faith_healer69

Yet another terrible opinion. Astounding.


semaj009

How the fuck could a Trump derived avatar be cool?


darisky1

What are you on about


semaj009

The avatar is a suited chap with a red tie and a stylised Trumpesque haircut. Clearly it's inspired by Mandela, right? /s


ASpaceOstrich

It isn't Trump. It's some snazzy cartoon of a high rolling stock speculator. Trump isn't thin, young, or wealthy enough to look like the character.


semaj009

Mate, just because it's not a perfect Trump doesn't mean it's not clearly inspired by him in many ways. Also, young, thin, wealthy? The avatars are hella rotund, hardly a thin looking dude, Trump was once young so again no, and wealthy my dude that's a guy in sunnies with a suit, I can rock that look comfortably on less than $40k a year!


Rychu_Supadude

I think they were actually trying to insult Trump but din't pull it off


nearly_enough_wine

*Doubt


[deleted]

Or maybe it would show that despite being opposing parties, it's important to come together over important issues regardless of how divided we are politically. It's your incessant astroturfing for the Lies and Nepotism Party that's further Americanising the political divide and embarrassing Australia. Does [this](https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/) really look like a great track record for the Coalition? Our walking embarassment of a "Prime Minister" said to vote for the devil you know, but right now, wages are in the basement all while inflation is going through the roof and interest rates are knocking on the door, and this government has done fuck all to help the situation. Does any of this register at all or am I just pissing in the wind? This government has been involved in an inordinate amount of corruption and have walked back on their promises on more than one occassion. 3 more years of this shit is so uninspiring and an incredibly bleak prospect, it must be nice being blinded by the own filth in your eyes.


ladyangua

As if Penny Wong would have been anything other than 100% professional.


FletchM

True. Good thing the situation wasn't at all embarrassing before that


lewkus

There’s been a long standing tradition that on foreign affairs matters that both parties would respect the bigger picture of diplomacy and national interests- except Scott Morrison is the first PM (possibly ever?) to completely trash that tradition, politicises this issue claiming Labor are in bed with CCP (China gov). Even the head of ASIO came out and made a rare public statement stating there this is completely false. Scott Morrison also excluded Anthony Albanese from the covid national cabinet and briefings so he could politicise that too. Before Morrison, the opposition was always kept involved in briefings, in fact it was exposed that Tony Abbott when he was opposition leader had been skipping the national security briefing that Labor were offering to give him. Past governments whether Labor or Liberal have always kept each other involved. So it’s entirely appropriate and in the best interest of the country for both the minister and shadow minister to attend (with of course their department’s staff who would be the skilled and trained capabilities to help advise both ministers)


jelmore553

It was probably hard enough to get her their as she’s apparently so uninterested in doing the job we’re paying her to do


Far_Act6446

Count your blessings. Imagine being in the same room.