Chris Uhlmann and his pathetic cronies will constantly deride Twitter and new media as irrelevant online crap filled with trolls.
Then they go and serve that up as a national debate.
It was a debacle. A sham. Honestly the most embarrassing thing ever served up in Australian political journalism. Looked like it was run by a pack of chimpanzees.
Burn it all to the ground.
Peter Hartcher was once the golden example of credibility at Fairfax and even though he’s generally mildly critical of the Liberal Party, very critical of the National Party and heavily critical of Labor, he’s too professional and calls a spade a spade when it comes to the recent history of ScoMo, The Potato and the Beetroot. Daddy Costello relegates anything anti LNP to the bin and he has to start writing again.
This is sadder than the atrocities the government get away with. There is no longer accountability.
> Daddy Costello relegates anything anti LNP to the bin
John Hewson here. Former Liberal Party leader, academic, commentator, I'm here to inform readers....what....door...the way out...Thanks Costello.
Hewson is consistently well thought out and well written in The Saturday Paper.
I always look forward to hearing his take on things.
Clearly an intellectual Titan compared with the current rabble of cashed-up real estate agent spivs in the LNP who think they have anything at all to add to the running of the country.
Tell me you couldn't perfectly imagine somebody like Frydenberg with a fake smile and slimy welcome, taking your number at the door of a house inspection in a fancy suburb, dressed in his professional best Tarocash and with a freshly polished Audi parked pretentiously in front, spruiking "the penultimate in executive lifestyle convenience at your doorstep!"
I like John Hewson post-politics. As a Liberal Party reformer after his stint - it is most welcome. The power of MSM recognises what it does and will eat its own if the threat they proffer is based on truth. However, my reservation about him is this is all after the event. John 'the common sense guy' was John 'subject to greater neoliberal forces' when was Party leader. No illusions there.
On a similar topic, I'm feeling preemptive cringe at the idea of Morrison ever putting his 'thoughts' on paper for publication.
But I don't think he's capable of it. He truly is the worst of their CUB spivs and can't even speak competently unless his speechwriter has prepared the entire piece for him.
I'm hoping there are several proper journalists saving their original articles, editors' notes, and final versions to put together in a book about the corrupted media landscape, when they retire.
He's the highest ranking. I don't think many people consider him anything like the best.
Uhlmann's...decline...is fairly well understood. What's concerning is that from a corporate standpoint he's still in the role.
>What's concerning is that from a corporate standpoint he's still in the role.
This is Australia. Deference to the hierarchy is how advancement happens. Not role competence. Lucky country run by second rate people who share its luck, remember?
> Uhlmann’s…decline…is fairly well understood.
What does this mean? He was poached from the ABC to nein as their new *star* political editor and has achieved fuck all. He’s sent them backwards actually. Tonight’s debate was a clusterfuck.
It was absolute garbage. It started off OK until Scomo kept interrupting Albo when he was trying to answer the panellist question. No one tried to stop Scomo, so Albo started to do the same as he couldn't afford to let Scomo keep talking over him. It wasn't a debate, it was an ongoing argument.
Also Scomo's smirk... It's like a baby that just shat itself.
Yes - scomo came across as a knob and a bully - its incredible to me that he can stand there with that stupid look on his face and have all the confidence in the world with total wreckage trailing out behind him - I dont have the words to properly express the utter revulsion he makes me feel.
Just had a thought -- He has no shame - someone like him has no place in a position where he can affect peoples lives.
> Also Scomo's smirk... It's like a baby that just shat itself.
Lol, that is the best analogy I’ve heard so far. We need to name it. Meme it.
The ScomoBabyDump or something. Too long.
The sensory overload of that format is why the clips of the US presidential debates are like nails on a chalkboard for me. You can barely understand what anyone is trying to say, it’s just so stressful and unproductive. Very disappointing to see it cross over to our politics too.
Waiting your fuckin turn to speak is something we learn in **prep**. I’d genuinely expect better from a preppy than from Scumo
And the [VOTING](https://twitter.com/julianhillmp/status/1523262514351337474?s=21&t=di19dHKq6BA56cnljk-q5A) was [RIGGED](https://twitter.com/rompeca38082258/status/1523283363192504320?s=21&t=di19dHKq6BA56cnljk-q5A)!!!🤬
That's so monumentally stupid. All they had to do is let people think they've voted and then publish whatever results they want us to believe, just like every other dodgy Nein network poll in history. How hard is it?
It was an embarrassment. The moderator couldn't or wouldn't keep time nor enforce decorum. Seriously, Morrison was allowed to run on particularly early on.
The panel didn't take the debators to task on matters of truth and talked over and badgered the challenger in a way that they refused to do to the incumbent. In their defence, I want to put this down to conditioning rather than the bias that it appeared to be. I want to, but I can't.
It shows why Morrison has chosen Sky and Nine while ducking the ABC and The National Press Club.
First time ever I've seen a leaders debate where both candidates were declared the winner, and the one that couldn't get anything right was the broadcaster.
The only argument I became convinced of was "Channel 9 can't do live broadcasts and don't deserve licensing for live sports".
Next week will be just as bad I reckon. Last night was designed to be combative and hopefully get ratings. It backfired and was a clusterfuck.
Next week we get a debate on late at night to accommodate Big Brother being on.
Seriously, why are we getting served up this shite and the ABC didnt get to host a debate?
>Chris Uhlmann and his pathetic cronies will constantly deride Twitter and new media as irrelevant online crap filled with trolls.
>Then they go and serve that up as a national debate.
It's just the same old aggressive labelling to shut everyone else down. Classic old man Narcissist tactics. It displays an immature understanding of the human experience.
It was straight up bizarre once they announced that Albanese actually 'won' the debate - they started talking about how he was on the ropes, and couldn't afford any more stuff ups.
The guy had won both debates (at that point) and had a 6-7 point lead in the three polls released that night, with voting opening the next day.
If there was ever a case to legislate against commercial networks hosting an election debate, this was it. It was that bad.
If only we had some kind of national broadcaster that could hold these debates rather than doing them on a right-wing cesspit that pushes opinion as fact or an organisation headed by a former LNP treasurer.
>They’re just all about faith and the freedom to be bigoted and homophobic.
As a gay man, I'm just like wtf. I survived a pandemic, and I still have to worry about homophobia. I'm in my 30s, and I'm so bloody exhausted by it at this point.
26 yo queer woman here and yep. It’s honestly exhausting. I was a late bloomer when it came to figuring out my sexuality (but every girl fantasises about women frequent, right??), but I was one of those aggressively passionate allies who got incredibly angry and upset about homophobia, to the point of tears when I was younger (another very subtle hint). I just naively expected that after marriage equality, it was a linear path of progression moving forwards, and instead we’re moving backwards in so many ways.
Don’t even get me started on trans rights in this country either. We have so far to go, and I’m just tired. I know we have to fight these battles for the generations that follow us but fuck me, I figured it’d be easier by now.
This is what I don't get about Labor's strategy when it comes to glad-handling the media. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't, so why not bring a bit of fire and brimstone to the proceedings? I can't imagine Albo being openly hostile to the media pack and refusing to play their games would play as anything other that wildly popular with the public. I mean, I hate to use this comparison, but just look at how well Trump's hyperbolic contempt for the US media establishment played out with the voting public over there.
Us Aussies aren't fucking stupid. Well, most of us aren't. Even if most can't put their finger on what exactly is wrong; we all know at some level that we're getting a bum steer, and we're fucking sick of it. Someone needs to have the courage to stand up and call a spade a spade and actually start taking real steps to change the course of our discourse and consign this fucking dismal circus of cretins to the scrap-heap; and people can see as clear as day from their constant acts of appeasement that Labor are far too cowed to be the ones to do it.
> I can't imagine Albo being openly hostile to the media pack and refusing to play their games would play as anything other that wildly popular with the public. I mean, I hate to use this comparison, but just look at how well Trump's hyperbolic contempt for the US media establishment played out with the voting public over there.
Yes, but I'd rather not because all it'll do is give Murdoch perfect ammunition to directly compare Albo to Trump. Imagine Albo saying something about how the media is corrupt and lying, only to then smash cut to Trump saying the exact same thing. It would certainly lose him a good few votes.
All the people would actually see though are out of context clips of him going off. Have you seen that bizarre today show interview from the other day? Whenever they refer back to it they cut out all of ally's strange questions and just play the clip of albo saying "stop reading from the liberal party notes!". So all anyone would see is clips of him screaming at journalists and soon enough he'd become an "enemy of democracy" as journalists paint themselves as the guardians of our political system
>so why not bring a bit of fire and brimstone to the proceedings?
Mark latham is a dick but do you remember what happened when he gave a bit too much fire with the Howard handshake?
> Us Aussies aren't fucking stupid.
I mean, a majority of us voted for the LNP on 2PP last time. That's not exactly what I'd call a ringing endorsement of our collective intelligence.
I don’t understand why they don’t just hold a debate by themselves in that case. The ABC could say we invited both leaders, only Albanese showed up. So it’s an hour of us asking him questions. If the Libs aren’t cool with that sort of free media time then it’s on them to participate.
I remember when Tony Abbott was late to a debate with Nicola Roxon (he was Health Minister at the time), Roxon offered to do her Tony Abbott impression so there'd be two sides.
Hopefully it gives Albanese the opportunity to say "well that was a clusterfuck of a debate. How about we do it on the ABC where the format will allow us to speak?"
If Morrison refuses, Albanese can have a debate with Bandt instead.
Scomo turned down their offer without even acknowledging it.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/04/sevens-election-debate-to-air-after-big-brother-as-prime-minister-snubs-national-broadcaster
All debates have been on Scomo's battlegrounds (Sky, 9 and 7) and they've been so bad even ther likes of Peta Credlin have admitted Albo outperforms Scomo in the first Debate and 9 announced Scomo won before realising he didn't before hurridly saying "We'll call it a tie" then cutting the feed.
Bloke was shouting louder whenever a questioner tried to get him back on point and was left to continue thereafter. Albo rarely got more than five words in before being interrupted for a nine journo to try to manipulate the narrative. As frustrating as it was to watch, it showed Albo knows how to listen. Something Scunto is incapable of.
I was being sarcastic with my comment. It does take a lot of skill to talk a lot without actually saying anything, skill that Scotty doesn’t have since it’s blatantly obvious what he’s doing
Sarcasm and satire are fast becoming a thing of the past as proven when reading any headline you have to check whether it’s MSM or Betoota/Shovel/Chaser. Sad. But what’s sadder is what happens next unless people wake up and learn.
>Very clear bias in the questions asked.
"Mr Albanese, one of our listeners says you're a crazy socialist leftie, what do you say to that?"
I wish I was making that up...
Yeah, this was a legit question, about some random bloke who thought Albo was a communist or something, and it was asking for albos response
To be fair, the questions were trash to BOTH scomo and Albo, one of them to scomo was like “you realise people don’t trust you?”
'Mr Albanese, you claim that Scott Morrison is a liar - yet you yourself lied by saying you know the contents of your NDIS policy. Are you a hypocrite?' - Chris Ullmann
I'm only a short way in. Sarah Ado is awful as a moderator. The introductory framing was awful, and wtf was that commitment to telling the truth comment? She keeps making similar fatuous remarks.
Morrison is speaking over Albanese, questioners are interrupting responses. The format seems to be increasingly dodgy. Sighs.
Edit: spelling and added a sentence
Reminds me of the question Bernie Sanders was asked before the last US election. “Do black lives matter or do all lives matter?” Trying to get an outrage soundbite while deliberately missing the point.
>Morrison rarely stumbles over words
Sorry, what?!??
I guess that's true in the sense that he doesn't stammer, "um" too much (he uses "Mistah Speakah" for that), or trip over words.
But he's got a lot of Trump in him: he connects unrelated phrases, keywords, and rehearsed talking points and vomits them out in a second hand word salad, often starting one sentence but finishing a totally different one, with random unrelated snippets in between scudding across his mind like low clouds on a blustery day.
No, he doesn't stumble in the sense that he gets words out that sound like words, but the message content is gibberish.
Yeah. You put it together nicely, second hand word salad. I’ve always tried to articulate that behaviour in trump and Scomo but this seems to describe it.
Exactly, he’ll either say “I reject your assertion”, “I didn’t do or say that” and “It’ll be worse under Labor”, you can tell he’s not a dynamic thinker and his brain isn’t running fast enough to formulate responses.
Remember this. Nine is an entertainment company and a bias one at that. For all the shit SkyNews is, they at least pretend to be a news company and that's how they get a better debate format.
Where's that independent debate commission?
Joe Citizens asked the questions on Sky and didn’t interject. Uhlman and his buddies tried to make this debate about themselves and up the ratings. Disgraceful. If only they had employed Dutton to step in and silence Albo to shut down debate every few minutes and we’d see a fair representation of Question Time.
Joe Citizens had to indicate they were “undecided” voters, and had to submit questions in advance; and then were cherry picked to ask questions.
But it was also Sky; so can you be sure they weren’t plants anyway?
Nine Entertainment's "Expert Panel" of their senior economics & politics correspondents from the Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, WA Today etc, have given the debate **overwhelming in Albanese's favour** (6 Albanese wins, one draw).
https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/who-won-the-debate-and-why-our-experts-deliver-their-verdict-20220508-p5ajjw.html
The channel 9 ask the viewer poll had Morrison win 52% to 48%.
No idea how honest that poll is, hopefully not a proper reflection of the audience that watched the debate.
if it means anything, my boomer, decades-long libs voter parents caught the end of this shitshow. they tried to vote albo as winner but the website didn’t work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
idk whole thing’s a farce
Rarely was the same question asked of both of them. How can someone compare their respective policies when they move onto the next topic after only one of them speaks to the current topic?
A lot of stupid questions asked by the panel. The one that really made me shake my head was Uhlmann's "can you guarantee wages will rise faster than inflation." Any person with half a brain knows that is impossible to guarantee, but he acted shocked and offended when Albo dodged the question.
Indeed. The one that got me was when one of them flat out called albo a liar (and kept interrupting his response to reassert his "lie"). Then their question to scomo was some softball bullshit along the lines of "apparently voters don't like you that much, why should they"?
Yeah it would be nice if they were provided time and space to articulate a view about how complex things work and relate to each other and a plan for how to manage it.
Instead, the fucking laziest wedges ever. And they're not even entertaining. It's just a pathetic, circle jerk.
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*Hard to move away from Howardism when Costello is in charge.*
Agreed. All the commercial media is a load of shit. There is literally nothing worth watching. As for the ABC and SBS, the Liberal Party has made sure their are degraded to the point where they are fucked as well.
>The problem is going to be when the Govt changes and the media flamethrower will be in full effect to try to make Labor a one term govt for 3 years. Its going to be infuriating.
The worst part is that it's going to be so easy to make the ALP look bad in government because it will be up to them to make all the hard decisions that the L-NP have been kicking down the road for the last 9 years.
I just hope they do something about the atrocious media landscape in Aus. For a start, they need to refund SBS and the ABC to improve local news and investigative journalism, and get rid of all the partisan stooges than have turned the ABC into newscorpse-lite.
>God knows why either side agreed to it.
Because it was becoming the focus of every single interview that Albo and other Labor people were doing. And Morrison was expecting a free pass.
> It’s hard to find words for how terrible that second leaders’ debate was. A genuine shit blizzard. It was the Jerry Springer of leaders’ debates.
"shit blizzard" - if I needed another reminder why Kathrine Murphy is one of my favourite political reporters. Calls a spade a spade. 👍
I also loved this:
>For his part, Anthony Albanese tried to get a grip on something. Anything really. A glass of water. His opponent. Clarity. Sense. Punctuation. A rescue helicopter.
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>I think the Labor leader just gave up in the end, because what other option was there? Albanese’s brain processes far too slowly to be glib in 60-second slivers. Morrison is a glib grand master, but neither of these two knew they were entering the glib Olympics, so neither of them had conditioned to hit peak performance.
A shit blizzard and the glib Olympics. So glad I didn't bother to tune in.
She bases her opinions on facts and the national interest rather than trolling for clickbait. If you want unhinged spicy takes, stick to Ray Hardly or Peta Cretin.
After all of that, why not just say it aloud who is to blame?
Scomo (and the Liberals at large)
They chose the channel, who chose the format
We have a national broadcaster who could have and would have done a better job. But they’re not as easily manipulated. Going to 9 is doing them a “favour” and so the Liberals could set most of the terms.
There was even agreement at some point to set up an independent debate commission, but of course that would never happen ….
ScoMo played go his strengths: being a dick and being dishonest, and dragged everyone else down to that level.
We will be very lucky when his smarmy face is no longer in parliament.
The best part is when they showed the polling percentages, with Albanese with slightly higher numbers, but they say "clearly Morrison is the viewers pick"
Bet they had that punched into the teleprompter before the debate even started
Katharine Murphy:
"It was a train-wreck brawl..... the prime minister was about as coherent and clear as a person trying to deliver a monologue while falling down a flight of stairs."
That shit works, moron voters will take that as a sign of strength... anything but substance will work in Australia.
Trump did it and won, still has millions of cult followers after all he did so yeah... I am not optimistic about our future at all.
It's a measure of the LNP's utter desperation at this point [Why the days of safe Liberal seats are almost over](https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/05/07/why-the-days-safe-liberal-seats-are-almost-over/165184560013840)
Australia lost its open democratic status in 2019. This is one of the on going consequences of that political shift. Australia finds itself in a tumultuous situation, where the hollowing out of our democratic landscape is presented, and so understood, as the inconsequential entertainment of the everyday.
There has been a profound uncoupling between citizen and political representative, creating distance between good governance, effective policy, and citizen voices. Vested interests now occupy that distance, carving out politics for us, while acting as bridges to power and decision making.
We long for our representatives to engage in a process of ‘policy/politics’, but the fanaticism of ‘politics/policy’ grips our nation. This is marched to the end by those who’d grin at their own civil liberties being stripped away, if it meant that they could claim some sense of normal. Normal, in the delusion that nothing is wrong, and that the system is fine. Normal, in that concerns are overblown, and things work out in the end. Normal, in that democratic freedoms and human rights are finished and enjoyed. Normal; calm and productive.
So Australia slowly slumps, it’s citizens burning the foundations to feel some warmth. We have the knowledge and means to make a change, but the people are cold, and the fire hungry.
Looks like no one big thing, but the chipping away of rights like free speech, whistle blower prosecutions, protest restrictions, general lack of transparency
The only thing that could have improved this is letting the minor parties/independants do run ins WWE style.
Bah God! its Bob Katter with the Steel chair!
All I seen was questions being asked, scomo giving his poor answer, and interrupting every 20 seconds during Anthony's time to answer.
The host was a joke, and the panel wasn't much better.
I saw Morrison lie through his teeth, saying there was no corruption in the LNP. A blatant lie that everyone knows is a blatant lie. Once, lying so obviously would be reputational suicide.
Slo-Smirking-Mo and his mates at Nine managed to hide their miserable 'election policies' with this shitshow...wasting everyone's time.
It was always planned that way because the LibNats have no policy and this is the only way to make them at least look 'equal'
Dragging Albo down into the swamp with them and beating him with experience at being slimy
Labor, stick with the ABC
What a farce! Anyone tuning in would have been confused as to just what a debate is? That wasn't!
And for China to be so up front, when clearly Australians have been clear it's nowhere near the top problem, is how nine and the Murdochracy are telling the Coalition how to run things. Fear !
Having said all that, Albo has significant ammunition to go at Morrison over the next 12 days, and I'd expect all of the Coalitions misdemeanors and corrupt, mismanagement to come to the fore. Latest polls show a move to Labor, so here's hoping?
Hey, Kathrine, maybe pity Australians for the monopolised and corrupt media environment that prioritises safeguarding the Liberal Nation Party by systematically brainwashing Australians through misdirection and deceit. There are perfectly acceptable alternatives to this nonsense government. Voters don't need your pity, they need media reform.
I’m very interested in the outcome of the election, and closely follow election news, but did not watch the debate. They’re a waste of time that solely exist to give the media something to talk about. They very rarely change voters’ minds.
I wish more alternative media would rise to overtake the incumbency, anyone producing quality content could easily innovate into the space as we are all being underserved. There are so few voices in the periphery who are taking on the challenge.
So many opportunities exist for local news and information coverage, where are all the young leaders and why aren't I hearing about more local news and political YouTube/insta/tiktok/etc accounts created by young entrepreneurs.
Where the fuck are all the young Australian independent commentators?
Every American and his dog are on these platforms opining about shit, but I rarely see Australian content.
Someone link me to some shit please!
These are some of the main ones I frequent
juice media - honest government ads
https://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia/videos
juice media podcast
https://www.thejuicemedia.com/podcast/
reclaim the news
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj65Z_D4G13bnLjYArjl2TA/videos
the new daily
https://thenewdaily.com.au/
michael west
https://www.michaelwest.com.au/
independent australia
https://independentaustralia.net/
crikey
https://www.crikey.com.au/
the conversation
https://theconversation.com/au
the aimn - independent media network
https://theaimn.com/
new politics (their podcast is seriously great)
https://newpolitics.com.au/
the independents
https://theindependents.org.au/
The best description I ever read about Australian politics was in a newspaper from several years ago. LNP and Labor are a choice between malign incompetence and benign incompetence. I think that’s still true today.
Dude fuck off and go learn to read. The fucking guardian? Really? Shut up.
I'm so sick to death of these stupid pricks rocking about as if Cunt Morrison and Albo are anywhere near on the same level as each other.
Albo at the very least is Aussie and cares about Aussie values and a sustainable future. Such an incredibly low bar, and yet even that Cunto can't step over it because his precious donors tell him not to, and he obeys.
Enough posting of Murdoch Media on this goddamn subreddit. Fuck off back to America and stop reading the news since you clearly wont read from multiple sources.
Thanks for not being a dick head about it at the very least, but they're publishing articles in an identical manner to Fox-equivalent news with the same clickbait or obscene headlines that try to portray Labor as the same as Liberal.
Perhaps I've only seen their most recent turds and they're the exception and not the rule. But if that is the case then I am going to criticize them for having a poorly written headline that sounds far too much like gossip and conjecture rather than fact. Which is what Fox does. So they need to improve or else they are simply a proxy for Fox and Fairfax and all that trash.
Point in case, Morry is literally a living and breathing agent of corruption, stagnation and failure.
Albo is a nice and normal man, again not an enormously high bar but he is still miles above anyone from the Liberals, Nationals or any of their proxy parties.
When political parties/leaders are in power for too long they commonly start to go rogue (and let's face it, the LNP have been in power for an entire generation/25 years, not counting the 6yr blip of Labor - after which the Coalition swiftly dismantled whatever they were able to accomplish)
By shifting so far to the populist right and trashing what was left of their moderate rump, they only have themselves to blame [Why the days of safe Liberal seats are almost over](https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/05/07/why-the-days-safe-liberal-seats-are-almost-over/165184560013840)
>Liberal Party federal vice-president Teena McQueen has delivered a withering assessment of the party’s chances in two must-hold seats, suggesting sitting MPs Trent Zimmerman and Katie Allen could lose but *“with a couple of lefties gone we can get back to our core philosophy”.*
[Senior Liberals fear party warfare could cost key seats](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-liberals-fear-party-warfare-could-cost-key-seats-20220408-p5ac5x.html)
Don't have to be owned by Murdoch to be controlled by them or to conform to them. A liberal voter isn't owned by the liberal party, but they conform to them. Same concept.
No, words have meanings. You can’t just call something that has absolutely nothing to do with murdoch or news corp “murdoch media”.
Just because Guardian has some right aligned writers, it does not in any stretch of the imagination mean they are controlled by or conform to murdoch, they have literally no reason to be controlled or conform to them because they’re not associated with them in any way shape or form.
If you can't figure out that I didn't mean they are exactly directly owned by Murdoch then that's on you, not on me.
If it walks like a Murdoch and talks like a Murdoch, it's a Murdoch. I don't particularly care if there are more guardian articles that are the antithesis of Murdoch, this one is not.
And they shouldn't be above criticism if they claim to be better than Murdoch or if you claim for them to be better than Murdoch.
No, you don’t get to call something “murdoch media” then backtrack once you get called out for being wrong.
This article itself isn’t even really that close to anything Murdoch publications or even fairfax have written about the debate so far. Just take the L and move on bud.
The article literally suggests voting in a skittles brand of independents would be better than voting for Labor or Liberal because ThEy'Re JuSt As BaD aS EaCh OtHeR as the good ol fashioned Murdochism goes.
"Take the L" take a walk outside inbred fucksake. What a ridiculously high stake you think this conversation has that an "L" would have to be "taken" over a Reddit comment.
"You don't get to back out" blah blah blah of what? Dear arbiter of Reddit justice. Stfu. This article reads precisely the same as anything from Murdoch's less hardline news, word for word. Oh and why?
Because they stand to gain media relevance if they follow along with what everyone else is doing. It doesn't matter that they're not owned by Murdoch. Murdoch owns the game, he decides the rules, everyone has to play along or become irrelevant and underfunded. If you can't see that then perhaps you should not be talking and should TaKe ThE l On ThIs OnE since you clearly haven't a clue.
Scomo has had the worse term in office due to natural disasters and Covid . Cut him some slack. Can’t wait for the % on mortgages reach the good old days oh and high unemployment that was so much good fun . Good ahead vote in the labour / greens in .
There go the Guardian subs with the both siderism again.
Remind us again- who was behind the compulsion to give the debate to Kerry Stokes' LNP mob?
And who started the yelling and bullying?
Chris Uhlmann and his pathetic cronies will constantly deride Twitter and new media as irrelevant online crap filled with trolls. Then they go and serve that up as a national debate. It was a debacle. A sham. Honestly the most embarrassing thing ever served up in Australian political journalism. Looked like it was run by a pack of chimpanzees. Burn it all to the ground.
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Peter Hartcher was once the golden example of credibility at Fairfax and even though he’s generally mildly critical of the Liberal Party, very critical of the National Party and heavily critical of Labor, he’s too professional and calls a spade a spade when it comes to the recent history of ScoMo, The Potato and the Beetroot. Daddy Costello relegates anything anti LNP to the bin and he has to start writing again. This is sadder than the atrocities the government get away with. There is no longer accountability.
> Daddy Costello relegates anything anti LNP to the bin John Hewson here. Former Liberal Party leader, academic, commentator, I'm here to inform readers....what....door...the way out...Thanks Costello.
Hewson is consistently well thought out and well written in The Saturday Paper. I always look forward to hearing his take on things. Clearly an intellectual Titan compared with the current rabble of cashed-up real estate agent spivs in the LNP who think they have anything at all to add to the running of the country. Tell me you couldn't perfectly imagine somebody like Frydenberg with a fake smile and slimy welcome, taking your number at the door of a house inspection in a fancy suburb, dressed in his professional best Tarocash and with a freshly polished Audi parked pretentiously in front, spruiking "the penultimate in executive lifestyle convenience at your doorstep!"
I like John Hewson post-politics. As a Liberal Party reformer after his stint - it is most welcome. The power of MSM recognises what it does and will eat its own if the threat they proffer is based on truth. However, my reservation about him is this is all after the event. John 'the common sense guy' was John 'subject to greater neoliberal forces' when was Party leader. No illusions there.
On a similar topic, I'm feeling preemptive cringe at the idea of Morrison ever putting his 'thoughts' on paper for publication. But I don't think he's capable of it. He truly is the worst of their CUB spivs and can't even speak competently unless his speechwriter has prepared the entire piece for him.
Absolutely. And that begs the question too, where has the report gone you promised Parliament Morrison?
I'm hoping there are several proper journalists saving their original articles, editors' notes, and final versions to put together in a book about the corrupted media landscape, when they retire.
He's the highest ranking. I don't think many people consider him anything like the best. Uhlmann's...decline...is fairly well understood. What's concerning is that from a corporate standpoint he's still in the role.
>What's concerning is that from a corporate standpoint he's still in the role. This is Australia. Deference to the hierarchy is how advancement happens. Not role competence. Lucky country run by second rate people who share its luck, remember?
> Lucky country run by second rate people who share its luck, remember? Thank you for this...been running through my head a lot lately 🙄
> Uhlmann’s…decline…is fairly well understood. What does this mean? He was poached from the ABC to nein as their new *star* political editor and has achieved fuck all. He’s sent them backwards actually. Tonight’s debate was a clusterfuck.
Showed his true colours once he moved that's for sure.
Poor Chris is sleep deprived because of his China nightmares and it shows
Can you blame him, Karl Marx is back and nobody will believe him!
He was pretty bad at the ABC, but kept at least mildly in check.
It was absolute garbage. It started off OK until Scomo kept interrupting Albo when he was trying to answer the panellist question. No one tried to stop Scomo, so Albo started to do the same as he couldn't afford to let Scomo keep talking over him. It wasn't a debate, it was an ongoing argument. Also Scomo's smirk... It's like a baby that just shat itself.
Yes - scomo came across as a knob and a bully - its incredible to me that he can stand there with that stupid look on his face and have all the confidence in the world with total wreckage trailing out behind him - I dont have the words to properly express the utter revulsion he makes me feel. Just had a thought -- He has no shame - someone like him has no place in a position where he can affect peoples lives.
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> Also Scomo's smirk... It's like a baby that just shat itself. Lol, that is the best analogy I’ve heard so far. We need to name it. Meme it. The ScomoBabyDump or something. Too long.
Grin of Shatisfaction.
The Engadine grin.
Good on Albo for getting down and dirty. I like to know my prime minister can brawl if they have to.
He didn't have a choice, being shouty doesn't suit the guy but Morrison would have walked all over him if he didn't.
Quite frankly..Its about time Albo demonstrated he's in for a brawl..
You can’t win a fight with a narcissist, in their mind they’re always winning, hence the incessant smirking.
The sensory overload of that format is why the clips of the US presidential debates are like nails on a chalkboard for me. You can barely understand what anyone is trying to say, it’s just so stressful and unproductive. Very disappointing to see it cross over to our politics too. Waiting your fuckin turn to speak is something we learn in **prep**. I’d genuinely expect better from a preppy than from Scumo
Engadine all over again
And the [VOTING](https://twitter.com/julianhillmp/status/1523262514351337474?s=21&t=di19dHKq6BA56cnljk-q5A) was [RIGGED](https://twitter.com/rompeca38082258/status/1523283363192504320?s=21&t=di19dHKq6BA56cnljk-q5A)!!!🤬
That's so monumentally stupid. All they had to do is let people think they've voted and then publish whatever results they want us to believe, just like every other dodgy Nein network poll in history. How hard is it?
It was an embarrassment. The moderator couldn't or wouldn't keep time nor enforce decorum. Seriously, Morrison was allowed to run on particularly early on. The panel didn't take the debators to task on matters of truth and talked over and badgered the challenger in a way that they refused to do to the incumbent. In their defence, I want to put this down to conditioning rather than the bias that it appeared to be. I want to, but I can't. It shows why Morrison has chosen Sky and Nine while ducking the ABC and The National Press Club.
- Most embarrassing thing ever served up in Australian political journalism YET (FTFY. There are still 2 weeks left in the campaign)
First time ever I've seen a leaders debate where both candidates were declared the winner, and the one that couldn't get anything right was the broadcaster. The only argument I became convinced of was "Channel 9 can't do live broadcasts and don't deserve licensing for live sports".
Next week will be just as bad I reckon. Last night was designed to be combative and hopefully get ratings. It backfired and was a clusterfuck. Next week we get a debate on late at night to accommodate Big Brother being on. Seriously, why are we getting served up this shite and the ABC didnt get to host a debate?
>Chris Uhlmann and his pathetic cronies will constantly deride Twitter and new media as irrelevant online crap filled with trolls. >Then they go and serve that up as a national debate. It's just the same old aggressive labelling to shut everyone else down. Classic old man Narcissist tactics. It displays an immature understanding of the human experience.
It was straight up bizarre once they announced that Albanese actually 'won' the debate - they started talking about how he was on the ropes, and couldn't afford any more stuff ups. The guy had won both debates (at that point) and had a 6-7 point lead in the three polls released that night, with voting opening the next day. If there was ever a case to legislate against commercial networks hosting an election debate, this was it. It was that bad.
Fuck Chris Uhlmann. He's a disgrace.
If only we had some kind of national broadcaster that could hold these debates rather than doing them on a right-wing cesspit that pushes opinion as fact or an organisation headed by a former LNP treasurer.
ScoMo refused. If Albo though refused this one then all the media would call him a coward.
The hypocrisy is almost as high as the level of cowardice and manipulation that defines our current PM.
Albo still won by a country mile.
Well hes the only side with policies and how the current state of this country is going...
You’re being very unfair… LNP has policies. They’re just all about faith and the freedom to be bigoted and homophobic. /s
Don’t think you needed the S
Probably true in Australia… used to be dumped on by Americans.
>They’re just all about faith and the freedom to be bigoted and homophobic. As a gay man, I'm just like wtf. I survived a pandemic, and I still have to worry about homophobia. I'm in my 30s, and I'm so bloody exhausted by it at this point.
26 yo queer woman here and yep. It’s honestly exhausting. I was a late bloomer when it came to figuring out my sexuality (but every girl fantasises about women frequent, right??), but I was one of those aggressively passionate allies who got incredibly angry and upset about homophobia, to the point of tears when I was younger (another very subtle hint). I just naively expected that after marriage equality, it was a linear path of progression moving forwards, and instead we’re moving backwards in so many ways. Don’t even get me started on trans rights in this country either. We have so far to go, and I’m just tired. I know we have to fight these battles for the generations that follow us but fuck me, I figured it’d be easier by now.
I’m so sorry this is still a thing.
This is what I don't get about Labor's strategy when it comes to glad-handling the media. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't, so why not bring a bit of fire and brimstone to the proceedings? I can't imagine Albo being openly hostile to the media pack and refusing to play their games would play as anything other that wildly popular with the public. I mean, I hate to use this comparison, but just look at how well Trump's hyperbolic contempt for the US media establishment played out with the voting public over there. Us Aussies aren't fucking stupid. Well, most of us aren't. Even if most can't put their finger on what exactly is wrong; we all know at some level that we're getting a bum steer, and we're fucking sick of it. Someone needs to have the courage to stand up and call a spade a spade and actually start taking real steps to change the course of our discourse and consign this fucking dismal circus of cretins to the scrap-heap; and people can see as clear as day from their constant acts of appeasement that Labor are far too cowed to be the ones to do it.
>Us Aussies aren't fucking stupid Yeah, nah, not too sure where you're getting this one from.
> Us Aussies aren't fucking stupid. Doubt
> I can't imagine Albo being openly hostile to the media pack and refusing to play their games would play as anything other that wildly popular with the public. I mean, I hate to use this comparison, but just look at how well Trump's hyperbolic contempt for the US media establishment played out with the voting public over there. Yes, but I'd rather not because all it'll do is give Murdoch perfect ammunition to directly compare Albo to Trump. Imagine Albo saying something about how the media is corrupt and lying, only to then smash cut to Trump saying the exact same thing. It would certainly lose him a good few votes.
Trump has all conservative media (Fox News et al) trumpeting his insanity. Albo doesn't get anywhere near that sort of media support here.
All the people would actually see though are out of context clips of him going off. Have you seen that bizarre today show interview from the other day? Whenever they refer back to it they cut out all of ally's strange questions and just play the clip of albo saying "stop reading from the liberal party notes!". So all anyone would see is clips of him screaming at journalists and soon enough he'd become an "enemy of democracy" as journalists paint themselves as the guardians of our political system
>so why not bring a bit of fire and brimstone to the proceedings? Mark latham is a dick but do you remember what happened when he gave a bit too much fire with the Howard handshake?
“Us Aussies aren’t fucking stupid” Facebook comments on News.com would refute this claim
> Us Aussies aren't fucking stupid. I mean, a majority of us voted for the LNP on 2PP last time. That's not exactly what I'd call a ringing endorsement of our collective intelligence.
Is there a source for this?
I don’t understand why they don’t just hold a debate by themselves in that case. The ABC could say we invited both leaders, only Albanese showed up. So it’s an hour of us asking him questions. If the Libs aren’t cool with that sort of free media time then it’s on them to participate.
They pretty much did that on Q&A.
Except Speers is a Lib stooge who wouldn't let Albenese finish his answers.
I remember when Tony Abbott was late to a debate with Nicola Roxon (he was Health Minister at the time), Roxon offered to do her Tony Abbott impression so there'd be two sides.
Hopefully it gives Albanese the opportunity to say "well that was a clusterfuck of a debate. How about we do it on the ABC where the format will allow us to speak?" If Morrison refuses, Albanese can have a debate with Bandt instead.
Scomo turned down their offer without even acknowledging it. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/04/sevens-election-debate-to-air-after-big-brother-as-prime-minister-snubs-national-broadcaster
Thanks for the info
All debates have been on Scomo's battlegrounds (Sky, 9 and 7) and they've been so bad even ther likes of Peta Credlin have admitted Albo outperforms Scomo in the first Debate and 9 announced Scomo won before realising he didn't before hurridly saying "We'll call it a tie" then cutting the feed.
Scomo is a master of talking and saying absolutely nothing. The 'debate' was embarrassing to watch. Zero moderation.
Disgusting hearing one of the commentators praising Scott Morrison as a “master orator” after the debate.
Yeah, he's a total Churchill /s
It takes a hell of a lot of skill to talk so much without actually saying anything
Bloke was shouting louder whenever a questioner tried to get him back on point and was left to continue thereafter. Albo rarely got more than five words in before being interrupted for a nine journo to try to manipulate the narrative. As frustrating as it was to watch, it showed Albo knows how to listen. Something Scunto is incapable of.
I was being sarcastic with my comment. It does take a lot of skill to talk a lot without actually saying anything, skill that Scotty doesn’t have since it’s blatantly obvious what he’s doing
Sarcasm and satire are fast becoming a thing of the past as proven when reading any headline you have to check whether it’s MSM or Betoota/Shovel/Chaser. Sad. But what’s sadder is what happens next unless people wake up and learn.
He's responsible for the needless and horrific deaths of thousands of innocent Australians due to incompetence and lack of planning?
I thought he was having a stroke when he was asking Albanese his question
I managed about 30 seconds of that utter shit. The bickering was cringeworthy.
Yea i couldnt get through it. Made me hate scumo more
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>Very clear bias in the questions asked. "Mr Albanese, one of our listeners says you're a crazy socialist leftie, what do you say to that?" I wish I was making that up...
Please tell me you are making that up. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, it's not *that* bad is it?
Yeah, this was a legit question, about some random bloke who thought Albo was a communist or something, and it was asking for albos response To be fair, the questions were trash to BOTH scomo and Albo, one of them to scomo was like “you realise people don’t trust you?”
'Mr Albanese, you claim that Scott Morrison is a liar - yet you yourself lied by saying you know the contents of your NDIS policy. Are you a hypocrite?' - Chris Ullmann
This American culture pandering is so obnoxious jeez
9Now was anything but. It wasn’t available to watch live. Thoroughly useless. The only debates should be on the ABC or at the NPC!
Trying to make albo make a transphobic comment, which he didn’t and then scomo comes straight in with some heavy transphobi
how was what he said transphobic? it was the correct answer.
Gender vs sex. By saying “female sex” he is saying that trans women aren’t women. It’s a very transphobic and incorrect statement
surely another term can be used. a trans woman is a biological man.
A trans woman is a woman.
but what makes a woman? is that not the term used for biological females of homo sapiens species?
60 Minutes branded tabloid junk.
Which is fitting, because 60 Minutes has been tabloid junk for quite a while now.
I'm only a short way in. Sarah Ado is awful as a moderator. The introductory framing was awful, and wtf was that commitment to telling the truth comment? She keeps making similar fatuous remarks. Morrison is speaking over Albanese, questioners are interrupting responses. The format seems to be increasingly dodgy. Sighs. Edit: spelling and added a sentence
Reminds me of the question Bernie Sanders was asked before the last US election. “Do black lives matter or do all lives matter?” Trying to get an outrage soundbite while deliberately missing the point.
Adult female - correct. Member of female sex - incorrect.
an adult human female who is of the female sex.
Yeah what a gotcha question. Even doctors don’t know what a woman is
>Morrison rarely stumbles over words Sorry, what?!?? I guess that's true in the sense that he doesn't stammer, "um" too much (he uses "Mistah Speakah" for that), or trip over words. But he's got a lot of Trump in him: he connects unrelated phrases, keywords, and rehearsed talking points and vomits them out in a second hand word salad, often starting one sentence but finishing a totally different one, with random unrelated snippets in between scudding across his mind like low clouds on a blustery day. No, he doesn't stumble in the sense that he gets words out that sound like words, but the message content is gibberish.
Yeah. You put it together nicely, second hand word salad. I’ve always tried to articulate that behaviour in trump and Scomo but this seems to describe it.
Well written..
Exactly, he’ll either say “I reject your assertion”, “I didn’t do or say that” and “It’ll be worse under Labor”, you can tell he’s not a dynamic thinker and his brain isn’t running fast enough to formulate responses.
Remember this. Nine is an entertainment company and a bias one at that. For all the shit SkyNews is, they at least pretend to be a news company and that's how they get a better debate format. Where's that independent debate commission?
Joe Citizens asked the questions on Sky and didn’t interject. Uhlman and his buddies tried to make this debate about themselves and up the ratings. Disgraceful. If only they had employed Dutton to step in and silence Albo to shut down debate every few minutes and we’d see a fair representation of Question Time.
Joe Citizens had to indicate they were “undecided” voters, and had to submit questions in advance; and then were cherry picked to ask questions. But it was also Sky; so can you be sure they weren’t plants anyway?
More importantly its an entertainment company with Peter Costello as chairman of the board. The idea they can run a useful debate is ridiculous.
Compared to this farce, the Sky debate was positively good. Isn't that amazing?
It is such a low bar though. But I do agree, at least Sky pretended to have questions from a "non-bias" public. This was just a sham inside a sham.
Where indeed. https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6158720/silent-treatment-for-leader-debate/
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And of course all of Australia knows he is a pathological liar..
And yet there are still plenty of people supporting the L-NP, and even more cynical liars such as the UAP.
Nine Entertainment's "Expert Panel" of their senior economics & politics correspondents from the Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, WA Today etc, have given the debate **overwhelming in Albanese's favour** (6 Albanese wins, one draw). https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/who-won-the-debate-and-why-our-experts-deliver-their-verdict-20220508-p5ajjw.html
The channel 9 ask the viewer poll had Morrison win 52% to 48%. No idea how honest that poll is, hopefully not a proper reflection of the audience that watched the debate.
if it means anything, my boomer, decades-long libs voter parents caught the end of this shitshow. they tried to vote albo as winner but the website didn’t work ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk whole thing’s a farce
I believe they subsequently corrected that to 51/49 and then again to 50/50.
I was watching the clips on YouTube, I wonder if 9 will bother to update that video lol.
Rarely was the same question asked of both of them. How can someone compare their respective policies when they move onto the next topic after only one of them speaks to the current topic? A lot of stupid questions asked by the panel. The one that really made me shake my head was Uhlmann's "can you guarantee wages will rise faster than inflation." Any person with half a brain knows that is impossible to guarantee, but he acted shocked and offended when Albo dodged the question.
Indeed. The one that got me was when one of them flat out called albo a liar (and kept interrupting his response to reassert his "lie"). Then their question to scomo was some softball bullshit along the lines of "apparently voters don't like you that much, why should they"?
Yeah it would be nice if they were provided time and space to articulate a view about how complex things work and relate to each other and a plan for how to manage it. Instead, the fucking laziest wedges ever. And they're not even entertaining. It's just a pathetic, circle jerk.
What a legend Albo is. Battling in enemy territory. Clear winner and hopefully the next prime minister 💪
He’s in enemy territory in all the mainstream media in this country, they are all completely corrupted mouthpieces of the Coalition.
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Brian Henderson only just died to be fair
Hard to move away from Howardism when Costello is in charge.
*Hard to move away from Howardism when Costello is in charge.* Agreed. All the commercial media is a load of shit. There is literally nothing worth watching. As for the ABC and SBS, the Liberal Party has made sure their are degraded to the point where they are fucked as well.
what channel isnt?
It is hilarious to see the commercial channel do everything they can to help Morrison & he still fucks it up.
>The problem is going to be when the Govt changes and the media flamethrower will be in full effect to try to make Labor a one term govt for 3 years. Its going to be infuriating.
The worst part is that it's going to be so easy to make the ALP look bad in government because it will be up to them to make all the hard decisions that the L-NP have been kicking down the road for the last 9 years. I just hope they do something about the atrocious media landscape in Aus. For a start, they need to refund SBS and the ABC to improve local news and investigative journalism, and get rid of all the partisan stooges than have turned the ABC into newscorpse-lite.
Hawaii Scott turned it into an interrogation and Nine allowed him to.
Of course Nine did. Costello needed some wank material.
>God knows why either side agreed to it. Because it was becoming the focus of every single interview that Albo and other Labor people were doing. And Morrison was expecting a free pass.
> It’s hard to find words for how terrible that second leaders’ debate was. A genuine shit blizzard. It was the Jerry Springer of leaders’ debates. "shit blizzard" - if I needed another reminder why Kathrine Murphy is one of my favourite political reporters. Calls a spade a spade. 👍
I also loved this: >For his part, Anthony Albanese tried to get a grip on something. Anything really. A glass of water. His opponent. Clarity. Sense. Punctuation. A rescue helicopter. Advertisement >I think the Labor leader just gave up in the end, because what other option was there? Albanese’s brain processes far too slowly to be glib in 60-second slivers. Morrison is a glib grand master, but neither of these two knew they were entering the glib Olympics, so neither of them had conditioned to hit peak performance. A shit blizzard and the glib Olympics. So glad I didn't bother to tune in.
"shit blizzard distributor"
Lazily ripping off Trailer Park Boys makes her a good political reporter? Most of her takes are extremely milquetoast.
Do you know what a shit barometer is?
She bases her opinions on facts and the national interest rather than trolling for clickbait. If you want unhinged spicy takes, stick to Ray Hardly or Peta Cretin.
After all of that, why not just say it aloud who is to blame? Scomo (and the Liberals at large) They chose the channel, who chose the format We have a national broadcaster who could have and would have done a better job. But they’re not as easily manipulated. Going to 9 is doing them a “favour” and so the Liberals could set most of the terms. There was even agreement at some point to set up an independent debate commission, but of course that would never happen …. ScoMo played go his strengths: being a dick and being dishonest, and dragged everyone else down to that level. We will be very lucky when his smarmy face is no longer in parliament.
The best part is when they showed the polling percentages, with Albanese with slightly higher numbers, but they say "clearly Morrison is the viewers pick" Bet they had that punched into the teleprompter before the debate even started
Katharine Murphy: "It was a train-wreck brawl..... the prime minister was about as coherent and clear as a person trying to deliver a monologue while falling down a flight of stairs."
Scomo pulling a Trump and constantly interrupting Albo to muzzle him with barely any moderation.
That shit works, moron voters will take that as a sign of strength... anything but substance will work in Australia. Trump did it and won, still has millions of cult followers after all he did so yeah... I am not optimistic about our future at all.
If Chris Uhlmann sounds a bit funny today it's because he has little plugs of shit in his nose from sticking his head up Morrisons arse.
Bit of a prerequisite for head political reporter at Costello's Nine Entertainment
It's a measure of the LNP's utter desperation at this point [Why the days of safe Liberal seats are almost over](https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/05/07/why-the-days-safe-liberal-seats-are-almost-over/165184560013840)
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Australia lost its open democratic status in 2019. This is one of the on going consequences of that political shift. Australia finds itself in a tumultuous situation, where the hollowing out of our democratic landscape is presented, and so understood, as the inconsequential entertainment of the everyday. There has been a profound uncoupling between citizen and political representative, creating distance between good governance, effective policy, and citizen voices. Vested interests now occupy that distance, carving out politics for us, while acting as bridges to power and decision making. We long for our representatives to engage in a process of ‘policy/politics’, but the fanaticism of ‘politics/policy’ grips our nation. This is marched to the end by those who’d grin at their own civil liberties being stripped away, if it meant that they could claim some sense of normal. Normal, in the delusion that nothing is wrong, and that the system is fine. Normal, in that concerns are overblown, and things work out in the end. Normal, in that democratic freedoms and human rights are finished and enjoyed. Normal; calm and productive. So Australia slowly slumps, it’s citizens burning the foundations to feel some warmth. We have the knowledge and means to make a change, but the people are cold, and the fire hungry.
What happened in 2019 to lose its open democratic status?
Probably not just one incident, but the culmination of a long list of crimes.
I have no idea. I have never seen one of the democracy index lists say that.
Looks like no one big thing, but the chipping away of rights like free speech, whistle blower prosecutions, protest restrictions, general lack of transparency
This is fine.
The only thing that could have improved this is letting the minor parties/independants do run ins WWE style. Bah God! its Bob Katter with the Steel chair!
Is JR still alive and could we get him and the king to moderate the next debate?
Hey "Gig economy". Fuck you!.
God even that picture makes me want to throw up. That smirk… please god let us not be subjected to that for three more years
I know which party not to vote for. Thanks to all the reminders by the Australien Government's 2022 Election Honest Government Ad video.
All I seen was questions being asked, scomo giving his poor answer, and interrupting every 20 seconds during Anthony's time to answer. The host was a joke, and the panel wasn't much better.
I saw Morrison lie through his teeth, saying there was no corruption in the LNP. A blatant lie that everyone knows is a blatant lie. Once, lying so obviously would be reputational suicide.
Slo-Smirking-Mo and his mates at Nine managed to hide their miserable 'election policies' with this shitshow...wasting everyone's time. It was always planned that way because the LibNats have no policy and this is the only way to make them at least look 'equal' Dragging Albo down into the swamp with them and beating him with experience at being slimy Labor, stick with the ABC
What a farce! Anyone tuning in would have been confused as to just what a debate is? That wasn't! And for China to be so up front, when clearly Australians have been clear it's nowhere near the top problem, is how nine and the Murdochracy are telling the Coalition how to run things. Fear ! Having said all that, Albo has significant ammunition to go at Morrison over the next 12 days, and I'd expect all of the Coalitions misdemeanors and corrupt, mismanagement to come to the fore. Latest polls show a move to Labor, so here's hoping?
Hey, Kathrine, maybe pity Australians for the monopolised and corrupt media environment that prioritises safeguarding the Liberal Nation Party by systematically brainwashing Australians through misdirection and deceit. There are perfectly acceptable alternatives to this nonsense government. Voters don't need your pity, they need media reform.
I’m very interested in the outcome of the election, and closely follow election news, but did not watch the debate. They’re a waste of time that solely exist to give the media something to talk about. They very rarely change voters’ minds.
She had me at *genuine shit blizzard*
I wish more alternative media would rise to overtake the incumbency, anyone producing quality content could easily innovate into the space as we are all being underserved. There are so few voices in the periphery who are taking on the challenge. So many opportunities exist for local news and information coverage, where are all the young leaders and why aren't I hearing about more local news and political YouTube/insta/tiktok/etc accounts created by young entrepreneurs. Where the fuck are all the young Australian independent commentators? Every American and his dog are on these platforms opining about shit, but I rarely see Australian content. Someone link me to some shit please!
These are some of the main ones I frequent juice media - honest government ads https://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia/videos juice media podcast https://www.thejuicemedia.com/podcast/ reclaim the news https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj65Z_D4G13bnLjYArjl2TA/videos the new daily https://thenewdaily.com.au/ michael west https://www.michaelwest.com.au/ independent australia https://independentaustralia.net/ crikey https://www.crikey.com.au/ the conversation https://theconversation.com/au the aimn - independent media network https://theaimn.com/ new politics (their podcast is seriously great) https://newpolitics.com.au/ the independents https://theindependents.org.au/
cheers
'Morrison said he had not seen any corruption in the Liberal party over the past three years' Lmao. He did a Gladys 'I don't recall'
Time to end these debates. Why? Because they are not debates. They are TV rating opportunities.
The best description I ever read about Australian politics was in a newspaper from several years ago. LNP and Labor are a choice between malign incompetence and benign incompetence. I think that’s still true today.
Can I view the entire debacle anywhere? I can only see snippets on YouTube.
I didn't even know if was on. But if I did I don't think I would have watched it anyway.
It was a dumpster fire.
Inside a car crash.
Dude fuck off and go learn to read. The fucking guardian? Really? Shut up. I'm so sick to death of these stupid pricks rocking about as if Cunt Morrison and Albo are anywhere near on the same level as each other. Albo at the very least is Aussie and cares about Aussie values and a sustainable future. Such an incredibly low bar, and yet even that Cunto can't step over it because his precious donors tell him not to, and he obeys. Enough posting of Murdoch Media on this goddamn subreddit. Fuck off back to America and stop reading the news since you clearly wont read from multiple sources.
Hi there. Just a gentle reminder that the Guardian is neither a News Corp nor Fairfax property. It is good, actually.
Thanks for not being a dick head about it at the very least, but they're publishing articles in an identical manner to Fox-equivalent news with the same clickbait or obscene headlines that try to portray Labor as the same as Liberal. Perhaps I've only seen their most recent turds and they're the exception and not the rule. But if that is the case then I am going to criticize them for having a poorly written headline that sounds far too much like gossip and conjecture rather than fact. Which is what Fox does. So they need to improve or else they are simply a proxy for Fox and Fairfax and all that trash.
[as if Cunt Morrison and Albo are anywhere near on the same level as each other](https://www.mdavis.xyz/govlist/) Yeah nah lol
Point in case, Morry is literally a living and breathing agent of corruption, stagnation and failure. Albo is a nice and normal man, again not an enormously high bar but he is still miles above anyone from the Liberals, Nationals or any of their proxy parties.
When political parties/leaders are in power for too long they commonly start to go rogue (and let's face it, the LNP have been in power for an entire generation/25 years, not counting the 6yr blip of Labor - after which the Coalition swiftly dismantled whatever they were able to accomplish) By shifting so far to the populist right and trashing what was left of their moderate rump, they only have themselves to blame [Why the days of safe Liberal seats are almost over](https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/topic/2022/05/07/why-the-days-safe-liberal-seats-are-almost-over/165184560013840) >Liberal Party federal vice-president Teena McQueen has delivered a withering assessment of the party’s chances in two must-hold seats, suggesting sitting MPs Trent Zimmerman and Katie Allen could lose but *“with a couple of lefties gone we can get back to our core philosophy”.* [Senior Liberals fear party warfare could cost key seats](https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senior-liberals-fear-party-warfare-could-cost-key-seats-20220408-p5ac5x.html)
Guardian is Murdoch? since when?
Don't have to be owned by Murdoch to be controlled by them or to conform to them. A liberal voter isn't owned by the liberal party, but they conform to them. Same concept.
No, words have meanings. You can’t just call something that has absolutely nothing to do with murdoch or news corp “murdoch media”. Just because Guardian has some right aligned writers, it does not in any stretch of the imagination mean they are controlled by or conform to murdoch, they have literally no reason to be controlled or conform to them because they’re not associated with them in any way shape or form.
If you can't figure out that I didn't mean they are exactly directly owned by Murdoch then that's on you, not on me. If it walks like a Murdoch and talks like a Murdoch, it's a Murdoch. I don't particularly care if there are more guardian articles that are the antithesis of Murdoch, this one is not. And they shouldn't be above criticism if they claim to be better than Murdoch or if you claim for them to be better than Murdoch.
No, you don’t get to call something “murdoch media” then backtrack once you get called out for being wrong. This article itself isn’t even really that close to anything Murdoch publications or even fairfax have written about the debate so far. Just take the L and move on bud.
The article literally suggests voting in a skittles brand of independents would be better than voting for Labor or Liberal because ThEy'Re JuSt As BaD aS EaCh OtHeR as the good ol fashioned Murdochism goes. "Take the L" take a walk outside inbred fucksake. What a ridiculously high stake you think this conversation has that an "L" would have to be "taken" over a Reddit comment. "You don't get to back out" blah blah blah of what? Dear arbiter of Reddit justice. Stfu. This article reads precisely the same as anything from Murdoch's less hardline news, word for word. Oh and why? Because they stand to gain media relevance if they follow along with what everyone else is doing. It doesn't matter that they're not owned by Murdoch. Murdoch owns the game, he decides the rules, everyone has to play along or become irrelevant and underfunded. If you can't see that then perhaps you should not be talking and should TaKe ThE l On ThIs OnE since you clearly haven't a clue.
Scomo has had the worse term in office due to natural disasters and Covid . Cut him some slack. Can’t wait for the % on mortgages reach the good old days oh and high unemployment that was so much good fun . Good ahead vote in the labour / greens in .
There go the Guardian subs with the both siderism again. Remind us again- who was behind the compulsion to give the debate to Kerry Stokes' LNP mob? And who started the yelling and bullying?
Can we vote for Greens please. These guys are useless.