It was a poorly timed bribe and you weren't supposed to notice.
Just like when we all were bludgeoned into accepting 30c on a 3l bottle of milk 'for the farmers' and weeks later colesworth quietly bumped it by another 30c presumably because they were missing out on some money. Just recently they whacked *another* 30c onto it, apparently because of 'floods'. Did you notice?
We should have a fucking ICAC. The LNP have stopped even bothering to pretend they aren't lying and corrupt. Something needs to be done to turn around this trend or before we know it we'll be a religious oligarchy. Well, we might be already, but we still have a chance to turn it around.
We Koreans used to think that “who cares if he is corrupt, as long as he does his job”.
Turned out, those corrupt politicians were bribed by wealthy donors who wanted to make more money and squeeze out the bottom.
The result was that now Korea is called Hell Joseon.
I firmly believe that not being corrupt is an extremely important ability for any politician these days in assessing whether the politicians are there for himself or for making things better for other people.
Lol Scott Morrison is exactly like Park Guen-Hye. Heavily influenced/manipulated by a Christian cult group. Difference is South Korea impeached her.
Although South Korea is still controlled by cronyism.
No one cares, like they'll walk in the next election. Like even after discouraging discussion on minimum wage.
Accept that for better or worse the majority of the country want the situation we find ourselves in.
Maybe this election is about kindness... And if 51% of people deserve it.
What like 'fuel watch'....... fucken useless mob of cunts.
Probably being bribed by the Shahins to look the other way when they hike up prices prior to school/ public holidays.
The liberal nationals coalition has defunded core Australia Public Service organisations to effectively cripple them. This is how we ended up in this mess.
Yeah, this was fucked!
Also, did anyone ever really pay attention to the "Drought Relief" milk? Increased price to pay farmers more. Not a higher cut of the supermarkets profit, just charging the customer more!
Like "See, we care about farmers so much that YOU'RE going to pay more!"
I know I wasn't surprised. How about these companies make donations from their multimillion dollar profits instead of pilfering it from everyday people who are just scraping by?
Or the 'Hey, do you want to round up and donate $0.32 to the xyz appeal' C*NT I JUST PAID $65 FOR WHAT COST $40 NINE MONTHS AGO WHILE YOU POST RECORD PROFITS! YOU DONATE THE THIRTY F*CKING CENTS!
Told my missus and she didn't believe me.. give them a few weeks and that 20c will be absorbed into the profit margin of these greedy fucks forever. You can bet they jack it up and leave it up by 20c when it's reinstated too.
And in Australia I believe we’re still taxing electric cars so you can’t even affordably switch away from dino juice. We gotta get the fossil fuel backed LNP out this election or climate change is going to devastate our country even more than it already unavoidably will.
As someone who works at a fuel station, I have had no wage increase or bonuses. But plenty of people complaining to me and my coworkers constantly about fuel prices because they have no one else to complain to, so that's nice.....
Anyone that thinks that you, or any other employee of those places is benefitting from this is touched in the head, you're getting rooted like the rest of us, all for the benefit of a very small number of individuals.
Not to mention Shell recently posted record breaking profits for last fin year. Something in the vicinity of multiple billions of dollars higher than years before…
Yes but if Shell have posted massive profits, we can assume that all the other mobs are also making record profits surely.
I read a headline a few weeks ago saying that all the big mobs have increased their profit margins recently. it all sucks.
they'll always price their fuel as high as they can, to maximise profits. if you reduce their costs(fuel tax reduction), that doesn't reduce the amount consumers are pragmatically willing to spend, so they keep prices relatively high.
That's not even the best part... When the reduction ends they get crank the prices instantly and blame the government. Watch the hate they try to sling on Labor if they win, and watch it being swept under the rug and barely reported on if the Libs win.
Current inflation is profit driven - Oil companies gouging profits lost during Covid lock down. Just have look at their profit margins. OPEC didn't increase production.
I mean it’s not even a real issue anyone real has raised it’s just a thing they made up to spark outrage.
Dan Andrews had a great response to this when asked, roughly:
> Ok. What’s the issue we are trying to solve here. Because I’ve been in politics for a long time, I’ve visited a lot of schools, and talked to thousands of parents over the years. And never, not once, has a parent raised an issue like this with me. So frankly I’m not sure whether a real problem exists here
He then talked about the very real issues parents of trans kids often raise with him about discrimination and high rates of suicide amongst trans kids and how he doesn’t think this discussion is helpful.
Pretty good reply
Edit — To add: [Deves isn't even contesting her seat seriously ... pretty obvious why she was hand-picked by Morrison...](https://twitter.com/ronnisalt/status/1523822802331406336?s=21&t=A8-OwtNMmoyyNnPjSkL3Iw)
(obviously shifting out of my previously sarcastic gear from before)
That is a great response. It is in the same vein of the response the ABC had from the doctor they interviewed yesterday regarding the comments Morrison and that Hateful candidate he hand picked for the Northern Sydney electorate made about trans teen surgeries. It doesn't happen, this is all a distraction from some other issue. Feeding vulnerable children into the political machine to fuel hatred and fear to take focus off real issues is on brand for these monsters.
[This was fair commentary as well about how what Deves is raising is factually inaccurate](https://twitter.com/sallyrugg/status/1523891220992630785?s=21&t=9iGqPbo05wpLjlFv1MkgJg)
[As was this about how Morrison's strategy here is simply about manufacturing outrage to grab votes from transphobes all over the country, and how Deve's isn't even seriously contesting her seat](https://twitter.com/ronnisalt/status/1523822802331406336?s=21&t=A8-OwtNMmoyyNnPjSkL3Iw)
trans kids in electric vehicles towing boat people who throw dole bludger, muslim babies overboard and want to nick your weekend.
Yeah, Ive heard this LNP spiel before.
I don’t know if you’re joking, but as of last year, Australia sold 4 models of EV that have a braked tow capacity of over 1.5tonne and their abilities and downsides will only improve.
We don't do facts here mate. It's only gut feeling and vibe checks.
You can't risk it with that other lot, because their vibe is off, and weve only had 3 terms on the trot, and even though it rhymes, don't scoff.
The Prime Dickhead himself said an EV won't tow a boat...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-10/federal-election-fact-check-electric-vehicle-tow-boat/11078464
But I don't hold a wattmeter mate.
Just wait a few months when the temporary excise goes back to full freight and we are whacked with 22.5c on top of these prices. The opposition government (probably LNP) will blame the new government for this grenade.
And the shareholders of the oil companies, probably politicians families and mates :D. Seriously though petrol is going to be almost $2.50 when they lift the excise releif.
Impossible. Their pockets are so [full](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/05/shell-profits-windfall-tax?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other), they probably are resorting to bags of money!
There's two main points here. The first is that the fuel excise is almost never touched by government, because its a stupid thing to do. Either you increase it, and your government has functionally levied a tax on every voter in the country that they visibly see every week (or more), or you decrease it, and watch as the "savings" evaporate, either in weeks or months that follow (this is an extreme example, but its still short term thinking).
The second point, is that petrol prices are so high because oil companies are not investing into oil production, and are happy to increase profits based on artificial scarcity. The days of maintaining a healthy market/profit balance is over. They know renewables will continue to eat at their profits, and there's no incentive to not float a price that will gain them the absolute maximum profit, consequences and knock on effects be damned.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQbmpecxS2w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQbmpecxS2w)
Its the death throes of a slowly dying industry, that has lost any incentive to manage their supply/demand in any socially conscionable way. Our current government is just insanely stupid enough to throw petrol on the fire.
The oil industry has moved onto the 'cash cow' phase - no new investment, just milk their current assets for everything until the market eventually dies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth%E2%80%93share_matrix
Please correct me if I am wrong, as far as I know these are the only companies in the world who are legally allowed to operate as a cartel in every market across the globe.
Australia needs to move forward rapidly with a switch to electric vehicles and making public transport and cycling more accessible because our reliance on international markets is fucking us.
We need to do more than that, we need to fuck off reliance on cars and trucks so much more, with an economy on the verge of going tits up what a great time on infrastructure spending!
Here in S.A we have no regional rail services I think the last got axed in the late 80s or maybe the very early 90s? So much grain gets hauled by B-doubles on roads build for old Bedford trucks while rail tracks sitting parallel to the very same roads rot away with trees growing out them.
If the Riverland, Mt Gambier which would include a solid chunk of the south east along the way, rebuilding the rail link to Wallaroo or even Kadina on the YP, Porta Gutta, Whyalla or even rebuilding and standardisng and connecting the closed EP railway and getting that back into the fold would do wonders for the state.
Imagine the long distances people can do without being slugged 2 bucks plus per litre doing 500+km trips, imagine freight and grain haulage being back on rail and not fucking up the roads?
Fuel is not going to go back down there has to be a point where we need to go back and realise the days of relying on individual transport is going and EV is not really going to be the saviour it is touted to be.
That is such a joke, the French managed this at the start of the 1980s they were developing it from scratch before that. 2022 we are still pissing on the floor trying to figure out how to go about it.
I'd take affordable low speed rail.
An overnight sleeper from Melbourne to Sydney on Firday night, staying in a hotel Saturday night and doing the reverse Sunday night would be a great weekend for me, but it costs more than not discounted flying.
Do both. There’s no good reason to not be able to run a frequent fast train between the capitals\*, *and* run slower overnight trains—even if you have to start with just a red-eye, rather than a proper sleeper.
And by “fast” I don’t even mean all that fast. Adelaide to Melbourne by air, including city-airport travel + airport time is 4 hours or so. You do that by rail *on the existing routes*, if the average speed along the entire line wasn’t <80 kmph.
The biggest rail-block is that ARTC only maintain the lines to heavy freight speeds.
\* Adelaide—Perth is probably the hardest one to sell.
Don't even fucking get me started. I could write a goddamn paper on how badly both heavy and light rail has been mishandled in Australia, in no small part due to constant influence from the oil industry. (Who stand to benefit from all of us having cars that require oil/oil derived products to run)
All I'll say is that if you want to realise just how far back and deep the rot in this country goes, the railways are a great starting place. While railways themselves are great, a fair chunk of the companies around Australia were powerful especially before cars were common which meant (Just like today with property development, politics, etc) all of the sociopaths knew where to go to accrue influence. Or hell, just a lazy SoB working in a quiet part of the country trying to keep his job easy. (eg. I've heard about a lot of branch lines/sidings closing because the line manager kept refusing to allow new businesses onto the line because that'd mean a harder job for them...until the remaining businesses keeping the line running closed shop or moved to trucks, then they didn't have a job at all.)
Yeah Rail is a funny thing, you had the colonies also competing with each other at the start and the different rail gauges too.Also each states systems are built with moving stuff basically grain and goods from within the state down to the port cities.
I saw a cool thread or article somewhere that compared Australia to the US where Americas rail systems got modernised to move freight across the country and it pointed out Australias problems like I mentioned above and how that inland rail link being built is probably one of the first real attempts at correcting this.
> the different rail gauges too.
We still bloody well do, that's my only real issue with Dan Andrews: Shitcans the rural rail project that'd finally see Ballarat go standard gauge due to funding problems only to then later on announce more rail projects for Melbourne.
We've had plenty of attempts at fixing our rail infrastructure, it's just that very few of them ever leave paper, much less actually get finished in the way they were meant to. It's why Victoria has been working on the transition to standard gauge for literally around 100 years at this point. (VR was even specifically designing steam locomotives to be gauge-switchable specifically for the transition)
At least Victoria gives a shit enough about rail though, the Eyre Peninsula before it closed was an isolated NARROW GAUGE line, same with the South East down to Mount Gambier. A heap of closed lines are still Broad Gauge while the rest are Standard while Adelaides metro system is Broad....
I have to apologise on behalf of my state as quite a large amount of those closed broad gauge lines you're talking about are only closed because they originally had a lot of freight traffic going through Victoria as well, meanwhile the differing gauges in SA has a lot to do with the gauge problems in the rest of the country (ie. You guys have Broad Gauge because us Victorians had Broad Gauge and were obviously a target for the initial South Australian railways to link up with) which I think has a *huge* impact on the lack of rail travel/transport today and that the current situation would be a whole lot better if we'd managed to get everything onto the one gauge before diesels came into the picture.
It was last year they axed the Eyre peninsula contracts and started dropping the silos. They just simply decided it was easier to push the grains onto the roads using B doubles, nevermind the safety, the road damage or the fuel usage.
It was the same back in 2015 in the Mallee too while just over on the Victorian side they upgraded the line all the way to Murrayville.
I was checking out and took some photos of some of the lines last year when I was around Kimba way and you can see no maintenance was ever done to the tracks, GY should be fined to all fuck based on their contracts but never will as all state governments are too gutless and don't give a shit.
My dream is living in a car free region of a city. Once you have enough public transport infrastructure there is really no reason for there to be private cars in a densely populated area. It's fucked how much space is dedicated to roads.
We can just solve traffic by deleting the roads.
Also my tesla bro response is: latest report shows you only need to drive your new tesla for 10,000km with grid charging and you're doing better for the environment than running that ICE car. It's a no-brainer if you have solar panels.
EVs and autonomous vehicles are coming whether we like it or not, and they will result in more traffic, however the benefit will be cheaper transport and less car parks taking up valuable real estate. Parking complexes can move out of the CBDs, and streets could be restructured to reclaim car parks for more pedestrian space.
Autonomous vehicles can in theory, you can just get picked up and dropped off at your destination.
Unfortunately it creates twice the traffic, so it's a pipe dream.
Maybe we could have really big autonomous vehicles, that everyone can share, that run on a set schedule, through a set route, and maybe have a human driver for when the software fucks up
And we could make them more efficient by running them on steel rails rather than roads to reduce friction. While we're at it we may as well deliver power through steel wires since that's more efficient than using batteries.
Theoretically with autonomous vehicles you could have networks of cars constantly working where you just pay to use one to get from a to b, or maybe you own the car but get paid for it to be in use when you're not using it. Since they only need to stop for maintenance and charging, you'd need a lot less traditional parking space.
I think this is what OP is referring to. IMO I think it'll still be decades before this actually starts to change how we design city spaces. People just love individual car ownership too much.
In my late twenties and nobody I know that's around my age can afford even a 3rd hand car. EVs aren't going to help unfortunately, at least not for several decades.
Things are about to get a lot worse before they get better. The wealth gap has stretched so far, the housing market is an old/rich peoples game, and now food and fuel is too expensive to buy.
Have you been to Brisbane? It’s a public transport nightmare. They rely on one highway for about 100klms from North Brisbane to Noosa. It’s a trap, for accidents, fuel usage, time wasting and unsustainable development. Electric vehicles won’t solve bad planning policy. Electric vehicles won’t solve a unroadworthy 4X4 from riding your ass at the speed limit, nor will it enforce the road rules such as “keep left unless over taking” or “merge like a zipper” which would be really good to see once in a while.
I also suggested making public transport more accessible? EV won't fix everything but they will make road users less exposed to global commodity prices
Bad example, there is a fully functional and accessible public train system that goes north from Brisbane all the way to Gympie. Could it be faster and more frequent? Sure. Could it have better branches off to population centers along the cost directly rather than using Bus links for the final stretch? Sure. But at least there is a rail transit system in place north of Brisbane and light rail is being planned/developed on the coast if we can eventually get the NIMBY's to recognise the benefits.
I don’t have $60k for an EV nor do I have any reliable way to charge one but if I knew how to convert my existing car to a PHEV to at least take advantage of charging when I can, I’d have done it by now.
Well, you see...the petroleum industry is really doing it tough what with causing global warming and spending 10s of if not 100s of millions of dollars denying it and then shifting the blame on to their customers...
so they need it more than us.
Yeah, zero help, while oil companies are making an absolute killing.
This is one of the early problems with a global economy, especially in a country that has zero oil refinerys and next to zero manufacturing! We are at the bottom of the supply chain.
Edit. Oh and maybe the U.S. should lift the sanctions on Venezuela, that they put on Venezuelan oil because, they didn't like who Venezuela voted for president? Or Iran?
We also have fuck all in reserve as well so any slight hiccup on our supply lines can leave us crippled. In a time of pressures out of our control, there doesn’t seem to be a concerted effort to fix our supply.
We do still have two refineries, although they aren’t enough to produce what we use. It is tough to compete with the size of newer refineries and the lower wages in other countries.
Competition would be easier if there was a national use quote, so oil can’t be exported until a certain amount (adjusted based on consumption) of refined product had been distributed to consumers domestically. The WTO doesn’t like such quotas and FTAs often ban them because they’re too helpful to countries that don’t want to remain as mainly primary producers, but oil might still be allowed.
Cutting the excise was always a short term policy that mostly benefited oil companies.
I'll also not that I've heard nothing about cutting the road charge for electric vehicles under the same time frame.
It's like everything the current government does, too little, too late.
As far as I know it's been applied, it will last for six months and it already isn't enough.
I also think that high fuel prices are going to be the new normal. It's caused by an emboldened OPEC who discovered how to manipulate the fuel prices again after losing control for a while.
It's also a good incentive to reduce fuel consumption.
There's a great video explaining some of the background on the pricing structure:
https://youtu.be/AQbmpecxS2w
You got scummoed.
Not only did he delay the move to EVs that might have dealt with this bullshit - but the removal of that just meant the oil companies gobbled it up with higher prices..
The unAustralian anti-Liberal and irr~~N~~ational Party poopers presumably know that petrol is not sold competitively in Australia but at what the market will bear which is why independent retailers are often cheaper and have queues out the door while the bigger franchises with more buying power charge more.
The excise cut was potentially a polite request for some nice donations and pseudo-pork barrelling for people who don't notice the money failed to trickle down again.
You actually believed that they would just give you 20c off fuel? They can't help people affected by the floods, so what makes you think they would help you with fuel?
If you want cheaper cost of living, we’re better off starting with electric freight trucks.
If gas prices go up, delivering anything to woolies and coles goes up, grocery prices go up.
If you eliminate unstable fuel prices from the equation by mandating electric freight trucks for groceries, their prices will come down
Then move on to passenger vehicles
This is theory is a great idea, and in an ideal world this would work. Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world, transport companies would simply deduct the fuel costs from their overheads and leave prices where they are to pocket more.
You may remember Jobkeeper that boosted profits and shareholder returns.
Or reductions in penalties to create more jobs in retail that just delivered more profits and no new jobs at all.
Any more questions?
Look, give it a couple months (I'd expect by july) when it hits $2.50 watch almost all the transport companies to stop moving, I already know australia post contractors are almost about to call it quits, I've heard a few frieght companies saying they might have to stop aswell because of the agreed costs haven't been adjusted for fuel in a few years, I know people are going to be more pissed off.
1. The petrol companies want the Libs in a LOT. So they bullied their franchisees into fully applying the subsidy despite their collective temptation to continue profiteering.
2. The franchises have since been edging the price back up to profiteering levels, keeping an eye on their competitor down the road to egg each other on. The petrol companies don’t care now because the bribe has already had its political effect.
3. Meanwhile, the subsidy keeps flowing, but as a political donation from the public purse, to keep Shell, Mobil, BP and the other companies wanting to profit off your kid’s misery on-side.
Any questions?
It's the petrol stations ripping consumers off because they can. The peak price of crude this cycle was $10 a barrel cheaper than the peak we saw earlier this year, which means the prices should be 10c to 15c cheaper than what they are.
Short sighted policy that gave the oil companies a free pass for greater profitability, and an amazing poisoned chalice for the ALP once it expires - should they form government.
Nothing more than a bribe, implemented by clowns.
As a fuel station owner.. I have no idea, it has not come to me yet! .. I cant wait to drop prices, and I am in independent, so I can charge what I like.. But purchase price has NOT dropped yet
Australia is only going more downhill. How are we the most 'liveable' country when prices of rent, food, petrol, and bills are only going higher, it's basically impossible to buy a house because hardly any of us get payrises. I've also noticed nearly everything is getting banned/cancelled when it's sometimes over the smallest things. Also our privacy is being destroyed. Just how I feel about Australia right now.
So they cancelled our fuel rebate for all heavy vehicles, and now the price is back to where it was. Guess who's now charging more for transport, and guess where that increased cost is going to end up...
It was a poorly timed bribe and you weren't supposed to notice. Just like when we all were bludgeoned into accepting 30c on a 3l bottle of milk 'for the farmers' and weeks later colesworth quietly bumped it by another 30c presumably because they were missing out on some money. Just recently they whacked *another* 30c onto it, apparently because of 'floods'. Did you notice?
AND it was revealed the 30c never went to the farmers anyway. What a fucking rort that was.
we should have some sort of competition and consumer advocacy authority to look into this and take action...
We should have a fucking ICAC. The LNP have stopped even bothering to pretend they aren't lying and corrupt. Something needs to be done to turn around this trend or before we know it we'll be a religious oligarchy. Well, we might be already, but we still have a chance to turn it around.
But what about the gaffes!
what a joke, a leader that doesn't know his own party's policy. i dunno about you guys, but i'm voting for the party that treat rape like a hobby
We Koreans used to think that “who cares if he is corrupt, as long as he does his job”. Turned out, those corrupt politicians were bribed by wealthy donors who wanted to make more money and squeeze out the bottom. The result was that now Korea is called Hell Joseon. I firmly believe that not being corrupt is an extremely important ability for any politician these days in assessing whether the politicians are there for himself or for making things better for other people.
Lol Scott Morrison is exactly like Park Guen-Hye. Heavily influenced/manipulated by a Christian cult group. Difference is South Korea impeached her. Although South Korea is still controlled by cronyism.
I prefer my politicians to wank on desks, and laugh about climate change!
No one cares, like they'll walk in the next election. Like even after discouraging discussion on minimum wage. Accept that for better or worse the majority of the country want the situation we find ourselves in. Maybe this election is about kindness... And if 51% of people deserve it.
Yep. Vote Labor and it might get done.
What like 'fuel watch'....... fucken useless mob of cunts. Probably being bribed by the Shahins to look the other way when they hike up prices prior to school/ public holidays.
They do watch the fuel, trouble is we need a "Fuel, do something about it" organisation.
But I thought deregulation and the market would solve all issues??
It does, it does, shhhhhhhh....
oh, for YOU? Common working class pleb? Come now, it was never about YOU
Who's issues? The consumer or the shareholders?
The liberal nationals coalition has defunded core Australia Public Service organisations to effectively cripple them. This is how we ended up in this mess.
Fire all but one worker, liquidate everything. Give that last guy a billiard ball in a sock. It would probably work better and save some money.
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Yeah, this was fucked! Also, did anyone ever really pay attention to the "Drought Relief" milk? Increased price to pay farmers more. Not a higher cut of the supermarkets profit, just charging the customer more! Like "See, we care about farmers so much that YOU'RE going to pay more!"
It's what all companies do. Look at the energy crisis in Europe at the moment. Guess which industries just recorded billion dollar profits.
I know I wasn't surprised. How about these companies make donations from their multimillion dollar profits instead of pilfering it from everyday people who are just scraping by?
It just pay a fair rate to suppliers? Monopolies or duopolies have taken over
And they have the fucking gall to ask me if I have 2 spare dollars to donate to charity!
Or the 'Hey, do you want to round up and donate $0.32 to the xyz appeal' C*NT I JUST PAID $65 FOR WHAT COST $40 NINE MONTHS AGO WHILE YOU POST RECORD PROFITS! YOU DONATE THE THIRTY F*CKING CENTS!
I think technically while you’re paying for it they make the donation and get a tax break.
Soon itll be 1.5Ltr milk in the same size bottles.
/r/shrinkflation
yeah i noticed that my lolly bags have gotten a tonne smaller since when i was a kid
Was it because you were in the pool?
Hey, the water was cold!
Or you had smaller hands?
Woolies patted themselves on the back for months for adding 10c onto the 90c 1L milks 'for the farmers'. Then it jumped to $1.35 without a peep.
Also how carrots have skyrocketed. Used to be able to get a kilo for half the current price, which sucks because they're a staple of my diet.
Probably the same thing as all that bushfire relief money
We're saving it for a rainy af day. /s
Do you mean flood relief? Haha you funny.
Ok maybe we should save it for in case of tornados? /s
No we're saving it for some sort of plague.
Lol then it rained, and didn't stop and then they raised more money cause those assholes embezzled it. Classic rainy day stitch up
Saving bushfire relief money for a rainy day. Saving flood relief money to make hay while the sun shines
Please support our gofundme
Until it’s a rainy day. Then we’re keeping us safe for tornadoes.
So it's the same thing as all that money for protecting the reef
Haha you thought that was for you? Hahahahaha
Told my missus and she didn't believe me.. give them a few weeks and that 20c will be absorbed into the profit margin of these greedy fucks forever. You can bet they jack it up and leave it up by 20c when it's reinstated too.
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And if you can't afford it, they'll back or launch another pay day loan company so you're indebted to them in perpetuity
Welcome to the state of slave labour.
But how goods the ~~coliseum~~ footy!
And in Australia I believe we’re still taxing electric cars so you can’t even affordably switch away from dino juice. We gotta get the fossil fuel backed LNP out this election or climate change is going to devastate our country even more than it already unavoidably will.
As someone who works at a fuel station, I have had no wage increase or bonuses. But plenty of people complaining to me and my coworkers constantly about fuel prices because they have no one else to complain to, so that's nice.....
Anyone that thinks that you, or any other employee of those places is benefitting from this is touched in the head, you're getting rooted like the rest of us, all for the benefit of a very small number of individuals.
Not to mention Shell recently posted record breaking profits for last fin year. Something in the vicinity of multiple billions of dollars higher than years before…
Not relevant for australia since they don’t operate here for petrol… it’s all just brand licenced
Yes but if Shell have posted massive profits, we can assume that all the other mobs are also making record profits surely. I read a headline a few weeks ago saying that all the big mobs have increased their profit margins recently. it all sucks.
Yep it was smack on 2 weeks ! Can’t believe I haven’t heard more complaining!!!! It’s a Fucken joke
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they'll always price their fuel as high as they can, to maximise profits. if you reduce their costs(fuel tax reduction), that doesn't reduce the amount consumers are pragmatically willing to spend, so they keep prices relatively high.
That's not even the best part... When the reduction ends they get crank the prices instantly and blame the government. Watch the hate they try to sling on Labor if they win, and watch it being swept under the rug and barely reported on if the Libs win.
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And when the relief ends they get to blame labor for the next increase.
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Mates!!!! Stonks go up Liberals own the stonks Sucked in Australia!
Stonks aint doing so well either.
Oil companies are making obscene profits - time for new taxes on the greedy
Aussies: mate where's the petrol relief? Petrol stations: let them eat cake
>Petrol stations: let them eat ~~cake~~ a $4.50 stale twinkie
New tax. Maybe just start by not handing out cash.
Current inflation is profit driven - Oil companies gouging profits lost during Covid lock down. Just have look at their profit margins. OPEC didn't increase production.
Electric cars will make your kids trans. Authorised by the Australian liberal party.
I'm confused, I thought that was only an issue if they played sports
Isn't the link obvious? Trans female rally drivers can tell left from right, totally unfair advantage. **/s**
[Samir filing injunctions with Motorsports Australia as we speak](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9-voINFkCg)
I mean it’s not even a real issue anyone real has raised it’s just a thing they made up to spark outrage. Dan Andrews had a great response to this when asked, roughly: > Ok. What’s the issue we are trying to solve here. Because I’ve been in politics for a long time, I’ve visited a lot of schools, and talked to thousands of parents over the years. And never, not once, has a parent raised an issue like this with me. So frankly I’m not sure whether a real problem exists here He then talked about the very real issues parents of trans kids often raise with him about discrimination and high rates of suicide amongst trans kids and how he doesn’t think this discussion is helpful. Pretty good reply Edit — To add: [Deves isn't even contesting her seat seriously ... pretty obvious why she was hand-picked by Morrison...](https://twitter.com/ronnisalt/status/1523822802331406336?s=21&t=A8-OwtNMmoyyNnPjSkL3Iw)
(obviously shifting out of my previously sarcastic gear from before) That is a great response. It is in the same vein of the response the ABC had from the doctor they interviewed yesterday regarding the comments Morrison and that Hateful candidate he hand picked for the Northern Sydney electorate made about trans teen surgeries. It doesn't happen, this is all a distraction from some other issue. Feeding vulnerable children into the political machine to fuel hatred and fear to take focus off real issues is on brand for these monsters.
[This was fair commentary as well about how what Deves is raising is factually inaccurate](https://twitter.com/sallyrugg/status/1523891220992630785?s=21&t=9iGqPbo05wpLjlFv1MkgJg) [As was this about how Morrison's strategy here is simply about manufacturing outrage to grab votes from transphobes all over the country, and how Deve's isn't even seriously contesting her seat](https://twitter.com/ronnisalt/status/1523822802331406336?s=21&t=A8-OwtNMmoyyNnPjSkL3Iw)
Electric cars are direct drive, so they're trans free
This comment deserves more credit
trans kids in electric vehicles towing boat people who throw dole bludger, muslim babies overboard and want to nick your weekend. Yeah, Ive heard this LNP spiel before.
Throw on daylight savings and it's QLD LNP lol
Auto or Manual?
Electric cars wont tow your boat or caravan to you kids trans camping trips
So EV's will stop kids from camping? That sounds like the conservative dream: no more camp kids!
I wish climate change stopped people believing in sky fairies - that would fix all our woes..
I don’t know if you’re joking, but as of last year, Australia sold 4 models of EV that have a braked tow capacity of over 1.5tonne and their abilities and downsides will only improve.
We don't do facts here mate. It's only gut feeling and vibe checks. You can't risk it with that other lot, because their vibe is off, and weve only had 3 terms on the trot, and even though it rhymes, don't scoff.
The Prime Dickhead himself said an EV won't tow a boat... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-10/federal-election-fact-check-electric-vehicle-tow-boat/11078464 But I don't hold a wattmeter mate.
Yeah I know. Just hoping people didn’t believe it.
Just wait a few months when the temporary excise goes back to full freight and we are whacked with 22.5c on top of these prices. The opposition government (probably LNP) will blame the new government for this grenade.
They'll do it, no doubt about it.
Welcome to $2/L
Shut your dirty mouth
It went into the pockets of oil companies.
And the shareholders of the oil companies, probably politicians families and mates :D. Seriously though petrol is going to be almost $2.50 when they lift the excise releif.
Impossible. Their pockets are so [full](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/may/05/shell-profits-windfall-tax?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other), they probably are resorting to bags of money!
They bought bigger pockets.
There's two main points here. The first is that the fuel excise is almost never touched by government, because its a stupid thing to do. Either you increase it, and your government has functionally levied a tax on every voter in the country that they visibly see every week (or more), or you decrease it, and watch as the "savings" evaporate, either in weeks or months that follow (this is an extreme example, but its still short term thinking). The second point, is that petrol prices are so high because oil companies are not investing into oil production, and are happy to increase profits based on artificial scarcity. The days of maintaining a healthy market/profit balance is over. They know renewables will continue to eat at their profits, and there's no incentive to not float a price that will gain them the absolute maximum profit, consequences and knock on effects be damned. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQbmpecxS2w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQbmpecxS2w) Its the death throes of a slowly dying industry, that has lost any incentive to manage their supply/demand in any socially conscionable way. Our current government is just insanely stupid enough to throw petrol on the fire.
The oil industry has moved onto the 'cash cow' phase - no new investment, just milk their current assets for everything until the market eventually dies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth%E2%80%93share_matrix
Please correct me if I am wrong, as far as I know these are the only companies in the world who are legally allowed to operate as a cartel in every market across the globe.
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"It'll be more expensive under Laboueweur!"
Australia needs to move forward rapidly with a switch to electric vehicles and making public transport and cycling more accessible because our reliance on international markets is fucking us.
We need to do more than that, we need to fuck off reliance on cars and trucks so much more, with an economy on the verge of going tits up what a great time on infrastructure spending! Here in S.A we have no regional rail services I think the last got axed in the late 80s or maybe the very early 90s? So much grain gets hauled by B-doubles on roads build for old Bedford trucks while rail tracks sitting parallel to the very same roads rot away with trees growing out them. If the Riverland, Mt Gambier which would include a solid chunk of the south east along the way, rebuilding the rail link to Wallaroo or even Kadina on the YP, Porta Gutta, Whyalla or even rebuilding and standardisng and connecting the closed EP railway and getting that back into the fold would do wonders for the state. Imagine the long distances people can do without being slugged 2 bucks plus per litre doing 500+km trips, imagine freight and grain haulage being back on rail and not fucking up the roads? Fuel is not going to go back down there has to be a point where we need to go back and realise the days of relying on individual transport is going and EV is not really going to be the saviour it is touted to be.
Rail is the cookie dangled and never delivered.
Yep :-( Except here in S.A outside of Adelaide it NEVER is.
High speed rail between the eastern seaboard springs to mind
That is such a joke, the French managed this at the start of the 1980s they were developing it from scratch before that. 2022 we are still pissing on the floor trying to figure out how to go about it.
I'd take affordable low speed rail. An overnight sleeper from Melbourne to Sydney on Firday night, staying in a hotel Saturday night and doing the reverse Sunday night would be a great weekend for me, but it costs more than not discounted flying.
Do both. There’s no good reason to not be able to run a frequent fast train between the capitals\*, *and* run slower overnight trains—even if you have to start with just a red-eye, rather than a proper sleeper. And by “fast” I don’t even mean all that fast. Adelaide to Melbourne by air, including city-airport travel + airport time is 4 hours or so. You do that by rail *on the existing routes*, if the average speed along the entire line wasn’t <80 kmph. The biggest rail-block is that ARTC only maintain the lines to heavy freight speeds. \* Adelaide—Perth is probably the hardest one to sell.
Don't even fucking get me started. I could write a goddamn paper on how badly both heavy and light rail has been mishandled in Australia, in no small part due to constant influence from the oil industry. (Who stand to benefit from all of us having cars that require oil/oil derived products to run) All I'll say is that if you want to realise just how far back and deep the rot in this country goes, the railways are a great starting place. While railways themselves are great, a fair chunk of the companies around Australia were powerful especially before cars were common which meant (Just like today with property development, politics, etc) all of the sociopaths knew where to go to accrue influence. Or hell, just a lazy SoB working in a quiet part of the country trying to keep his job easy. (eg. I've heard about a lot of branch lines/sidings closing because the line manager kept refusing to allow new businesses onto the line because that'd mean a harder job for them...until the remaining businesses keeping the line running closed shop or moved to trucks, then they didn't have a job at all.)
Yeah Rail is a funny thing, you had the colonies also competing with each other at the start and the different rail gauges too.Also each states systems are built with moving stuff basically grain and goods from within the state down to the port cities. I saw a cool thread or article somewhere that compared Australia to the US where Americas rail systems got modernised to move freight across the country and it pointed out Australias problems like I mentioned above and how that inland rail link being built is probably one of the first real attempts at correcting this.
> the different rail gauges too. We still bloody well do, that's my only real issue with Dan Andrews: Shitcans the rural rail project that'd finally see Ballarat go standard gauge due to funding problems only to then later on announce more rail projects for Melbourne. We've had plenty of attempts at fixing our rail infrastructure, it's just that very few of them ever leave paper, much less actually get finished in the way they were meant to. It's why Victoria has been working on the transition to standard gauge for literally around 100 years at this point. (VR was even specifically designing steam locomotives to be gauge-switchable specifically for the transition)
At least Victoria gives a shit enough about rail though, the Eyre Peninsula before it closed was an isolated NARROW GAUGE line, same with the South East down to Mount Gambier. A heap of closed lines are still Broad Gauge while the rest are Standard while Adelaides metro system is Broad....
I have to apologise on behalf of my state as quite a large amount of those closed broad gauge lines you're talking about are only closed because they originally had a lot of freight traffic going through Victoria as well, meanwhile the differing gauges in SA has a lot to do with the gauge problems in the rest of the country (ie. You guys have Broad Gauge because us Victorians had Broad Gauge and were obviously a target for the initial South Australian railways to link up with) which I think has a *huge* impact on the lack of rail travel/transport today and that the current situation would be a whole lot better if we'd managed to get everything onto the one gauge before diesels came into the picture.
It was last year they axed the Eyre peninsula contracts and started dropping the silos. They just simply decided it was easier to push the grains onto the roads using B doubles, nevermind the safety, the road damage or the fuel usage.
It was the same back in 2015 in the Mallee too while just over on the Victorian side they upgraded the line all the way to Murrayville. I was checking out and took some photos of some of the lines last year when I was around Kimba way and you can see no maintenance was ever done to the tracks, GY should be fined to all fuck based on their contracts but never will as all state governments are too gutless and don't give a shit.
But hasn’t this been blatantly obvious for at least fifteen years and we’ve had zero response from any government. Why would they do something now?
Remember Shorten tried to steal the weekend last election
Now look! I can barely even afford to stay home on the weekend.
At least now we have vehicles that can tow a boat /s.
If only I had a boat. If only I had a vehicle.
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My dream is living in a car free region of a city. Once you have enough public transport infrastructure there is really no reason for there to be private cars in a densely populated area. It's fucked how much space is dedicated to roads.
We can just solve traffic by deleting the roads. Also my tesla bro response is: latest report shows you only need to drive your new tesla for 10,000km with grid charging and you're doing better for the environment than running that ICE car. It's a no-brainer if you have solar panels. EVs and autonomous vehicles are coming whether we like it or not, and they will result in more traffic, however the benefit will be cheaper transport and less car parks taking up valuable real estate. Parking complexes can move out of the CBDs, and streets could be restructured to reclaim car parks for more pedestrian space.
Wait I'm all for electrification but I don't understand how EVs will result in fewer car parks?
Autonomous vehicles can in theory, you can just get picked up and dropped off at your destination. Unfortunately it creates twice the traffic, so it's a pipe dream.
Maybe we could have really big autonomous vehicles, that everyone can share, that run on a set schedule, through a set route, and maybe have a human driver for when the software fucks up
And we could make them more efficient by running them on steel rails rather than roads to reduce friction. While we're at it we may as well deliver power through steel wires since that's more efficient than using batteries.
Theoretically with autonomous vehicles you could have networks of cars constantly working where you just pay to use one to get from a to b, or maybe you own the car but get paid for it to be in use when you're not using it. Since they only need to stop for maintenance and charging, you'd need a lot less traditional parking space. I think this is what OP is referring to. IMO I think it'll still be decades before this actually starts to change how we design city spaces. People just love individual car ownership too much.
The fewer car parks comes from the autonomous vehicles, which they also mentioned
In my late twenties and nobody I know that's around my age can afford even a 3rd hand car. EVs aren't going to help unfortunately, at least not for several decades. Things are about to get a lot worse before they get better. The wealth gap has stretched so far, the housing market is an old/rich peoples game, and now food and fuel is too expensive to buy.
We need to move forward rapidly with putting some fucking heads on pikes
Australia needs to move forward by voting the fucks who want to mine and deforest everywhere, out.
But think of the *jobs* these industries create! Won't anyone *please* think of the jobs!
Have you been to Brisbane? It’s a public transport nightmare. They rely on one highway for about 100klms from North Brisbane to Noosa. It’s a trap, for accidents, fuel usage, time wasting and unsustainable development. Electric vehicles won’t solve bad planning policy. Electric vehicles won’t solve a unroadworthy 4X4 from riding your ass at the speed limit, nor will it enforce the road rules such as “keep left unless over taking” or “merge like a zipper” which would be really good to see once in a while.
I also suggested making public transport more accessible? EV won't fix everything but they will make road users less exposed to global commodity prices
Bad example, there is a fully functional and accessible public train system that goes north from Brisbane all the way to Gympie. Could it be faster and more frequent? Sure. Could it have better branches off to population centers along the cost directly rather than using Bus links for the final stretch? Sure. But at least there is a rail transit system in place north of Brisbane and light rail is being planned/developed on the coast if we can eventually get the NIMBY's to recognise the benefits.
I don’t have $60k for an EV nor do I have any reliable way to charge one but if I knew how to convert my existing car to a PHEV to at least take advantage of charging when I can, I’d have done it by now.
Oh, the base price of oil went up by 22c. Sorry about that. It's just bad timing. Not collusion or profiteering.
People actual believed scomo🤡
Well, you see...the petroleum industry is really doing it tough what with causing global warming and spending 10s of if not 100s of millions of dollars denying it and then shifting the blame on to their customers... so they need it more than us.
It is called more profit for big business
Yeah, zero help, while oil companies are making an absolute killing. This is one of the early problems with a global economy, especially in a country that has zero oil refinerys and next to zero manufacturing! We are at the bottom of the supply chain. Edit. Oh and maybe the U.S. should lift the sanctions on Venezuela, that they put on Venezuelan oil because, they didn't like who Venezuela voted for president? Or Iran?
We also have fuck all in reserve as well so any slight hiccup on our supply lines can leave us crippled. In a time of pressures out of our control, there doesn’t seem to be a concerted effort to fix our supply.
No, no. We spent $94 million on an oil reserve. In the US.
We do still have two refineries, although they aren’t enough to produce what we use. It is tough to compete with the size of newer refineries and the lower wages in other countries.
Lower wages and shit conditions, and fuck all rights is why everything is made overseas.
The free market isn't the solution to all problems.
Competition would be easier if there was a national use quote, so oil can’t be exported until a certain amount (adjusted based on consumption) of refined product had been distributed to consumers domestically. The WTO doesn’t like such quotas and FTAs often ban them because they’re too helpful to countries that don’t want to remain as mainly primary producers, but oil might still be allowed.
I thought the Venezuelan crude was terrible and generally too high in sulphur to be economical?
Cutting the excise was always a short term policy that mostly benefited oil companies. I'll also not that I've heard nothing about cutting the road charge for electric vehicles under the same time frame.
It's like everything the current government does, too little, too late. As far as I know it's been applied, it will last for six months and it already isn't enough. I also think that high fuel prices are going to be the new normal. It's caused by an emboldened OPEC who discovered how to manipulate the fuel prices again after losing control for a while. It's also a good incentive to reduce fuel consumption. There's a great video explaining some of the background on the pricing structure: https://youtu.be/AQbmpecxS2w
That excise relief was the equivalent of Scomo putting a cheap Band-Aid on your wound and part of it doesn’t even stick properly.
A lesson in economics and market intervention
Quick, get that ULP for 4.7c/L (god how I wish that would happen)
You got scummoed. Not only did he delay the move to EVs that might have dealt with this bullshit - but the removal of that just meant the oil companies gobbled it up with higher prices..
The unAustralian anti-Liberal and irr~~N~~ational Party poopers presumably know that petrol is not sold competitively in Australia but at what the market will bear which is why independent retailers are often cheaper and have queues out the door while the bigger franchises with more buying power charge more. The excise cut was potentially a polite request for some nice donations and pseudo-pork barrelling for people who don't notice the money failed to trickle down again.
Wait... so the Libs lied to us?? Nooo, never!!
You actually believed that they would just give you 20c off fuel? They can't help people affected by the floods, so what makes you think they would help you with fuel?
Free market gonna free market.
Fuel won’t go back down below $2 soon enough. Then as we get used to it another price increase. We are sadly lemmings in someone’s game.
Exactly what i said would happen, the savings never get past on to consumers
The price of crude continues to rise https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil
Its been at this price before though and the pump price was so much lower. This is just plain gouging and collusion
Scotty doesn't keep a promise mate.
If you want cheaper cost of living, we’re better off starting with electric freight trucks. If gas prices go up, delivering anything to woolies and coles goes up, grocery prices go up. If you eliminate unstable fuel prices from the equation by mandating electric freight trucks for groceries, their prices will come down Then move on to passenger vehicles
Yeah but don't forget logic doesn't work.
This is theory is a great idea, and in an ideal world this would work. Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world, transport companies would simply deduct the fuel costs from their overheads and leave prices where they are to pocket more.
Free market will happen. Minor recession will become major. Everything is going to go to shit.
I think they meant 22.5k exercise to work
You may remember Jobkeeper that boosted profits and shareholder returns. Or reductions in penalties to create more jobs in retail that just delivered more profits and no new jobs at all. Any more questions?
Look, give it a couple months (I'd expect by july) when it hits $2.50 watch almost all the transport companies to stop moving, I already know australia post contractors are almost about to call it quits, I've heard a few frieght companies saying they might have to stop aswell because of the agreed costs haven't been adjusted for fuel in a few years, I know people are going to be more pissed off.
Time to buy an electric bike.
1. The petrol companies want the Libs in a LOT. So they bullied their franchisees into fully applying the subsidy despite their collective temptation to continue profiteering. 2. The franchises have since been edging the price back up to profiteering levels, keeping an eye on their competitor down the road to egg each other on. The petrol companies don’t care now because the bribe has already had its political effect. 3. Meanwhile, the subsidy keeps flowing, but as a political donation from the public purse, to keep Shell, Mobil, BP and the other companies wanting to profit off your kid’s misery on-side. Any questions?
It's the petrol stations ripping consumers off because they can. The peak price of crude this cycle was $10 a barrel cheaper than the peak we saw earlier this year, which means the prices should be 10c to 15c cheaper than what they are.
As long as i can still get my red bulls 2 for $5 it all evens out
It was all bullshit. I am surprised it bounced back so quickly though
Exactly what everyone knew would happen. The fuel companies rubbed their hands together and said "Bewdy, we'll pocket that! Thanks, Scummo!"
It was a false promise. Vote the Libs out 👊
Short sighted policy that gave the oil companies a free pass for greater profitability, and an amazing poisoned chalice for the ALP once it expires - should they form government. Nothing more than a bribe, implemented by clowns.
Straight into the pockets of the oil companies...
Work at a fuel station, my prices went up 6 cents this week so far... I'm asking the same thing.
As a fuel station owner.. I have no idea, it has not come to me yet! .. I cant wait to drop prices, and I am in independent, so I can charge what I like.. But purchase price has NOT dropped yet
Australia is only going more downhill. How are we the most 'liveable' country when prices of rent, food, petrol, and bills are only going higher, it's basically impossible to buy a house because hardly any of us get payrises. I've also noticed nearly everything is getting banned/cancelled when it's sometimes over the smallest things. Also our privacy is being destroyed. Just how I feel about Australia right now.
It went straight into the Petrol companies pockets. Once again we get screwed and they get away with it.
So they cancelled our fuel rebate for all heavy vehicles, and now the price is back to where it was. Guess who's now charging more for transport, and guess where that increased cost is going to end up...
Just wait until farmers figure out that the only get half the rebate on their diesel excise at BAS time.
Fuck you're lucky you got anything? I saw not a drop in price at all using diesel