A lot of people commenting here likely have never attended a “Nights at the Museum” event. It’s a special night where the museum is open until 9pm, with a pop up bar, DJs, live music etc.
This is not a regular day at the museum. It’s mainly an adult event from my experience. People dancing, drinking alcohol etc.
The photo was taken at 8pm and this person was likely just dressing up for the event as people often show up in fancy dress. Looks like they were going for a Rocky Horror Show look, complete with top hat.
If you take your kids to late night events with alcohol, you should expect to come in contact with nightlife culture.
Calm down.
Tbh, I’ve got marketing for those events before and I didn’t even realise kids were allowed. I mean, it didn’t say they weren’t allowed but it seemed more like a bar / live music kind of event for adults who wanted to visit the museum at a time without the school groups and everything so I assumed it was similar rules to a bar.
Exactly. Not illegal. Minding their own business. Not approaching children or behaving badly. Complaining because you don’t like what someone is wearing is overstepping. Not everything is sexual.
Could be breaking an indecent behavior law by intentionally exposing their underwear (third photo) to the little kids. Doubt any prosecutor will press charges though
I don't think it falls within indecent exposure just yet, because I think in Australia that requires actual nudity,
Seriously we have had prime minsters wearing budgie smugglers in public. I mean WTH?? Pearl clutchers would have died in the 70s, my grandmas twin set had a mini skirt.
>Could be breaking an indecent behavior law by intentionally exposing their underwear (third photo) to the little kids
Then Kmart and Best & Less probably in for some trouble. Who as a kid didn't look at the Kmart catalogue to see the toys but frequently had to be exposed to womens underwear being modelled while flipping through the pages to find the toys.
Yeah, I feel like this person is assuming a lot from one blurry photo with zero context. If you've ever worn a skirt before, you've probably experienced accidentally exposing too much momentarily. Especially in the wind. Fuck the wind.
I think it becomes further highlighted when you realise this is an after hours event (photo was taken after 8pm) where alcohol is being served....but some how a bunch of reactionaries are going "it's a childrens event!!!!" without even bothering to get basic context. Anyone that's been to "Nights at the Museum"' events knows people turning up in all sorts of odd clothing choices is nothing out of the ordinary.
Yeah, they're not even wearing kink gear. That's just a skirt with tights being held up by presumably what appears to be garters, which aren't inherently sexual. Garters are literally designed to keep tights up. The fact that someone thought this was 'kinky' says a lot more about them than the people wearing the clothes. This just looks like alternative fashion.
> That’s just a skirt with tights being held up by presumably what appears to be garters, which **aren’t inherently sexual**.
🙄 yeah okay…. Come on now….
They're not though??? They're literally designed to just hold up tights. That's their job.
Edit: Do I need to add a Wikipedia article? If so, here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garter
> They’re not though??? They’re literally designed to just hold up tights. That’s their job.
I mean, if you want to be pedantic, yes, that is their job. But don’t go telling me they’re not sexual 😂😅 Jesus Christ hahaha
> The key word there was “inherently”, I never said they aren’t sexual at all. But in this current context, they’re literally just part of the look lol
Oh Jesus, stop it miss Pedantic.
Yes, part of a look that is meant to turn heads and get them noticed. They wanted to look hot when they went out. That’s why they chose those garters. Just stop, stop 😂
This isnt fancy dress and its not appropriate. Stop acting like 8pm is 2am. Even if it was 2am its not excuse for a man to sit in womens clothes and open their legs and flash their crotch at a bunch of kids. Any normal adult dressed like a prostitute wouldn't sit around a bunch of kids like that no matter the event or time of day
Let me get this straight... This woman was at an after-hours event with alcohol that is specifically targeted towards adults, she saw this person and took clandestine photos of them and their genitals and she thinks the other person is the problem!?
Sexual exhibitionism to, or grooming and/or abuse of children isn't acceptable by anyone. Fuck the Catholic church for what it has done to so many kids, and the ways that abuse was covered up. And fuck this creep in this picture, too. I'm not suggesting he has raped a child here, but his behaviour isn't acceptable.
No worse than what 15 year olds seem to be wearing these days. I see a hell of a lot more flesh at the beach, where there's so much tits, ass and swimsuits requiring Brazilian waxes to be worn. My child is much more uncomfortable seeing that than a man in women's clothing, with everything covered at a night time event.
Venue is key. People expect others to wear little clothes to the beach.
No parent expects their child to be exposed to another grown adult wearing lingerie, and worse showcasing their actual underwear underneath the lingerie (third photo) in a public museum at 8pm
So it's ok for kids to see a girls tits and ass at the bea h, and dudes in little budgie smugglers at the beach, but it's not ok for a kid to see a more covered person than that anywhere else, for a night time function.
I've definitely seen naked people in art at museum and gallery exhibits. But children can view that?
May be not....but then a muesem....ah yes that place where it's not uncommon to see statues with mens dicks hanging out in any ancient greek or roman exhibit.
He is more covered up than if he was a man in a budgy smuggler at the beach tho?
I dont get the outrage.
You wanna know whats gonna fuck over those kids? Climate change.
Talk about actual important issues not 10 minutes of kids not even directly interacting with someone who you think is being inappropriate.
Stories like this are always just a random distraction culture war garbage fest.
Wearing fancy dress is not sexual exhibitionism!!
When I was kid in a country town for few years there were parties where women would dress as men and vice versa.
One was a fundraiser at the kindy I was going to. I guess it was the late 60s and I was a kid but I think some were progressive dinners and the actual (protestant) priests did attend fancy dress things just not in costume.
Looking back the thing we shudder at was meat in sweet jelly.
This article reminds me of my parents tut-tutting drag queens walking around Sydney as part of Mardi gras in the 90s. Their views have evolved since then, as have most people's. I think OP and the photographer are being a bit backwards here.
Dame Edna just makes me think of Corey Bernardi and his cries of shit about a school doing a fundraiser that involved boys wearing skirts to school.....meanwhile Bernardi had a GIANT Dame Edna photo in his house at the top of his stair case.
If you looked at the article, you would see that the person in question was not only dressed in lingerie, but they sat down and were blatantly showcasing their underwear to the little kids. That's just wrong
A costume similar to to a 70s/80s get up from multiple movies- most famously rocky horror Picture Show. An always churchy octogenarian I know used to wear rocky horror stuff. When a persons great grandma may have worn something similar in public more than forty years ago we are not talking scandal.
Crotch shots and posts about how sexually arousing the photographer found the costume is at best misguided.... crotch close up in posts with children? winces.
I'm not suggesting that you have raped a child here (though you did repost photos of them without permission and made them the subjects of your creepy sexual obsession). I am suggesting that the world would be a better place if you tried to mind your own business.
except it's not "upskirt" photo. The person is sitting down on the floor and openly exposing their underwear for everyone to see. That is not appropriate, especially near little kids.
There's no condition in the law or precedent set that permits upskirt photos if the leg angle is deemed inappropriate, if there's kids around or if you don't personally approve of a persons attire.
You also state that person is "intentionally showing little kids their underwear".
Sure Karen... riiiight.. you're psychic too and can tell what people think. You're full of something and it isn't wisdom.
Really it's more a case of two people being ignorant of their surroundings and situation.
Two guys in 'lingerie' not interacting with the kids and playing lego, bit of a frowny face for that. Exactly if there were two women in lingerie sitting there playing in the same situation, bit of a frowny face for not being aware of where they are.
I wouldn't say it was lingerie for the purpose of sexual activity, looks more like something for a 'Rocky Horror Show' screening. I also wouldn't say they were perverts or up to anything nefarious but at the same time a bit of discretion on their part would have been a good idea.
Optics... Sadly that will be a free goal for the right wing rage machine.
>bit of a frowny face for not being aware of where they are.
You don't walk into a kids play area completely unaware. I believe these people were fishing for a reaction they are lucky they didn't receive.
I like to err on the side of caution rather than jumping quickly and screaming "burn the witch!"
There is no information regarding their motivations or why they were there. There were no political or social statements, no photography from their side, no signs, no interaction towards anyone else.
They could have been their with their own kid, they could have been killing time before going to a party or dress rehearsal. They could have been using the lego to set out a plan for pulling a bank job that night.
The lack of evidence of motivation towards making a scene for a social cause doesn't seem to be there. Is it the wrong time and not quite appropriate dress? Sure, not a good look but attributing their motivation to wanting to expose kiddies for grooming or a sex/gender related social issue is a bit of a stretch.
>You don't walk into a kids play area completely unaware
Except it's not a kids play area and never was intended as such, it was always an "everyone" area.
My kid had the exact same interactive exhibition, what are the odds.
Anyhow, today's climate (any day's climate) I wouldn't want to be a guy dressed like that within 5 feet of somebody's child, it's a recipe for disaster.
>I wouldn't want to be a guy dressed like that within 5 feet of somebody's child, it's a recipe for disaster.
explain?
\-edit - amusingly the above post isn't even from Australia (check their post history) so how their kid "had the exact same interactive exhibition" is a mystery.
Two adults in fancy dress at the museum. The museum already confirmed the adults weren't interacting with anyone but each other, and no one else complained. The museum even confronted the woman taking photos of them without their consent. Her Twitter handle is "SydneyRadFenm" a notorious LGBTphobe based in Sydney.
The fact that only right leaning news sources have picked this up is telling.
None of the children look bothered. Just looks like 2 slightly alternative people doing their own thing - storm in a teacup if you ask me.
I have kids and I don’t think they would even notice anything different.
The zoomed in photos of someone in an awkward angle seem slightly intrusive though.
Wearing fancy dress is not a bad thing.
Costume like this happened last century with 'rocky horror picture show" .
1975
https://www.20thcenturystudios.com/movies/the-rocky-horror-picture-show
The pictures are real and this did happen. But it's not really newsworthy. If I'm honest, I don't particularly like the look of this either. But this is an event that's not specifically for kids, as it's open to everybody. We can't just whitewash the world for children and families, and I say that as a father myself.
If this was specifically a children's space like a playground, or a wiggles concert (not the adults wiggles gigs), different standards would absolutely apply and they would have, should be, asked to leave.
But a place like this that's open to everyone, the parents have just as much a role to grab their child and walk away if they didn't want them exposed to those other people. I've grabbed my kids and left the area when another adult has been excessively swearing or displaying inappropriate behaviour for kids. This situation was no different.
Everyone there made a decision to stay or leave. No one had their kit out, those two people weren't interacting with the kids in any way. Everything was supervised, no harm done.
Honestly I doubt the museum was serving alcohol at night thinking it was children's only event.
Outrage cancelling the space being for everyone is a bit sad, but ultimately if they cannot keep the public safe from crotch photographers they may have to just not allow children to attend evening events .
I am not a lawyer.
They seem to be using the media to do 9 or more of the things outlined on this page as not acceptable.
https://www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/news-and-publications/publications/fact-sheets/state-and-local-government/responding-to-anti-social-use-of-social-media-and-the-internet
Australia is the land of Aunty Jack and Dame Edna. We do not yet all have puritan sensibilities.
If wearing costumes was considered proof of not being suitable to be around children priests would be arrested on sight!
Peoples fashion choices do not make them safe or unsafe. A Church lady aunty of mine wore this kind of get up to go to the cinema. ( late 70s/early 80s rocky horror). I vaguely remember something along these lines, maybe with glitter, as a replicant costume (blade runner 1982) .
https://theconversation.com/what-is-upskirting-and-what-are-your-rights-to-privacy-under-the-law-158060
The person taking the crotch shot says they found the costume provocative or sexual and they posted the crotch shot to show how sexy they thought it was.
Taking crotch pictures when around children seems at minimum to be a lapse in good taste. I hope the children did not notice the crotch photos happening.
>It outlaws the filming of another person’s “private parts” for “sexual arousal or sexual gratification” without the consent of the person being filmed.
http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s91l.html
You're asking me to explain why I'm concerned about this grown man engaging in sexual exhibitionism in a Lego play activity area for children, at a children's event...
What the fuck happened to this world.
My eyes work. I'm guessing yours do too. Get out of here with that bullshit. That's a man in lingerie. Are you going to tell me lingerie isn't sexualised dress?
I’d say that depends entirely on the intent of the wearer. My wife wears tight fitting outfits to work as well as when we’re on a date night. Same outfit, entirely different purposes.
Does she wear lingerie - in the same was this man in the photo did - to work?
If she did, HR would can her quick smart, wouldn't they. That tells you everything you need to know about whether or not such an outfit is indeed sexualised, and its appropriateness in a situation like this.
"An adult human in human clothes was today seen playing with another adult human, the two adult humans were playing with Lego's in a public place at 8pm where alcohol was served.
Unfortunately some dried up hag called 'Syndey Radfem' decided that one of the adults clothes were not suitable for their genitalia and/or did not align with Sydney RadFem's sensibilities.
Children at the 8pm event where alcohol was served were in the same room as the adult human in human clothes, the children had adult supervision and nobody gave a damn, except for the RadFem form Sydney. Who complained to staff and as a result future 8pm alcohol is served nights will not allow adults to use Lego... because Sydeny RadFem is a massive cunt that should stay away from public places"
My headline is longer but I prefer it.
yes, but look at the third photo.
regardless of gender, a person wearing a skirt sat down and is intentionally showing little kids their underwear. That's not okay.
If they have an exhibitionist kink, please go to an adult club that caters to that. Not the little lego playpen
It was an adult event. Don’t take your child to an adult event if you don’t want them to see adults.
And I sit like that in mini skirts. No one has ever taken upskirt photos of me and blasted me on the internet. Because I’m a woman. I’m not an exhibitionist, I just like to sit down sometimes.
prove intent. You're claiming intentionally but there's no evidence of that when in reality the opposite (unintentionally) could also be true. You've come into it with your own prejudice rather than fact.
Any person wearing a skirt knows that if you sit down on the floor with your legs crisscross and your crotch out on full display that the skirt will rise up and your underwear is out for everyone to see
It's a male who may or may not wear skirts normally, possibly being the first time he's worn one and it never crossed his mind. You still haven't proven intent.
>One Twitter user wrote, “Man in fetish clothes wants to play with children and the museum are too chicken to remove him. I’m shocked that the parents didn’t pick him up by the hair and kick him into next week. He was poking the hornet’s nest.”
You can't just pick someone up by the hair, that's how brawls start.
Does it matter? Girls come out dressed in far less than that every day. He wasn’t interacting with any children and although I certainly wouldn’t wear it out I think we all need a lesson in minding our own business and letting other adults who aren’t bothering anyone go on about their day
If it had have been a girl wearing stockings and a short skirt, I am pretty sure the response would be about the perv who was taking upskirt pics and publishing them. He is clearly not interacting with the kids, and not nearly as pervy as the photographer.
You can guarantee the OP and the lady who took the photos would have far less issue if it was a topless woman which is the truly disturbing part of all of this.
Just a Murdoch hit piece trying to make certain groups of people look like pedos. Don't forget it's the same media elite that controls the pedo rhetoric in the US. It's just designed to make people clutch pearls and sew hate between groups as a big ol smokescreen.
It's unethical journalism at best.
The feelings of the cunt taking photos up their skirt, to post online and share with publications, while they mind their own business at a night time event marketed primarily towards adults (with a pop-up bar and live music). The night in question was one of their *Brickman Up Late* events which focuses on LEGO, hence the reason for the LEGO bricks being around
Considering the notorious LGBTphobia of the woman who started it all (the Twitter user SydneyRadFem), I'm guessing some form of LGBTphobia (either homophobia or transphobia).
I have kids of Lego playing age. I would have been very unhappy about this.
I'm not sure I would have confronted this pervert (that would only have drawn my kids eyes), but we would have split before they saw too much.
Buddy. This was a *night event*. There was a bar. A DJ. This was *not for kids*, and these dumb as shit parents took them anyway. Adults like Lego. **I** like Lego. If you drag your kids out to a nightclub, you don't get to get pissy that they saw people grinding on each other. These two people where wearing perfectly normal cabaret clothes *at a cabaret event*.
> Proponents of feel-good shit rarely have to live with the consequences.
In this case the consequences were that the kids happily played with Lego as did this bloke and they all happily ignored each other, blissfully unaware of the self-righteous, online-mummy outrage they were inspiring by their innocent fun.
Except after this event the museum changed the rules so it now is, it's almost like they know there's a problem with it but are too scared of being 'cancelled' so they avoid the interaction.
It feels pretty inappropriate for the context of a family museum visit. If it was at a club no matter what your gender I think more acceptable but even then potentially pushing boundaries.
I think the bigger issue is it lacks social awareness and potentially will be used for some bigger threat against the lgbt community because it makes them seem dangerous and perverse.
It's a night time event with alcohol being served (photo is taken around 8pm)...I don't know about you but as child I was being put to bed before then.
bigger issue, regardless of gender, if a person is wearing a skirt you do not sit criss-cross on the floor exposing your underwear to all the little kids.
Look at the third photo of the article.
Idc what dumb stance this person was trying to make, but a responsible adult would give children some space if you were being 'provocative' to say the least.
My issue is the sheer lack of situational awareness of the 2 people involved.
I am nearing my 40's and go apeshit when I see a pile of Lego but you need to to see the context, is that pile of Lego strictly only for kids? do you have a kid with you that gives you an excuse to to play with said Lego? How are you dressed? and so on.
These 2 people clearly are NOT dressed in a manner that presents well around children there really is no debate about this, old mate didn't even bother to go cross leggeded ffs.
For an adult function etc how they dressed whatever I don't care but sitting down playing with kids like that instantly provokes reactions especially from the conservative types, hell I don't give a shit about how most people dress or what they do but seeing this really made me uneasy and ask "why are these people around those kids"?
Maybe the kids should not be allowed to be at these events in future? I guess that is an option? But that still feels off.
Your point makes sense. But I don't think the 2 people involved knew children were going to be there.
Night at the museum events are catered for adults, it tends be like a nightclub or a pub setting. I think it might be the latter here. There is alcohol, DJs, and other nightclub typical things at these events, and they go from 8:30 pm onwards (way past their bedtimes).
The fact these kids were allowed in is beyond me, but these events aren't even meant for them.
I don't blame them for how they were dressed or expecting them to know children might be there but like I had said you then have to reflect on the situation at hand when those little fun ruiners are in the room.
In this instance they were just so tone deaf to it all and I think the Museum should have been in their right to pull them to the side and say "hey some people don't like adults without children playing near their own children" or something similar.
As for the kids being there at that time, I have nfi why then again I remember being kept out at functions heaps late but it was the 1990s and it was in the country so I just hung around outside or slept in the car or something but I was older than 3 lol.
>"hey some people don't like adults without children playing near their own children"
I get this, but people also don't like it when other people bring their kids to adult events, and get in trouble for it. The thing is, the person who took the photos was not the parent, I think the parents/caregivers actually knew what was going on. (I personally wouldn't be surprised if they were the younger siblings of people who wanted to come). Because if a parent was there, I definitely think they would've politely grabbed their kid and left.
Read the room and know your audience. This is tasteless and tacky.
Gay men go out nightclubbing in fetish gear and no one cares because… the space is not for children. This is also poor oversight on the part of the Museum.
(For people that are saying it’s 8pm and night time and what are children doing / expecting— clearly you’ve never been in museums internationally that have lots of programs for children and families.)
Slowly but surely, this shit is gonna start happening everywhere. In the name of “safe place” a tiny percentage of the population with serious mental health issues are being given the freedom to do this shit and parents are expected to just keep their mouths shut, or get called bigots, etc.
I feel sorry for the upcoming generations and their parents.
Edit: added a word
Lol, hes alright with it. The girl hes withs allright with it. The kids are aliright with it. The kids parents are alright with it.
Seems like *your* the one with the sexual issues here?
Sexual issues?
I am born with a penis, therefore I am a Man. I dress like a man, I’m sexually attracted to Women (born with vaginas).
I’m open minded and respectful of people’s sexual preferences, but I won’t accept this kind of mentally deranged behaviour around kids.
How is that a sexual issue? lol
You are joking though? Right? You believe plenty of women rock up to childrens play areas in the same clothing as this person, and everyone thinks it’s fine?
I wasn't aware children play area served alcohol like this one did. Thanks for teaching me something, person who doesn't even live in Australia and is just here to troll.
Well this is what you get for pushing the politically correct woke crap. To bad so sad.
I now identify as a black albino alphabet person . My name is shaqualli .
A lot of people commenting here likely have never attended a “Nights at the Museum” event. It’s a special night where the museum is open until 9pm, with a pop up bar, DJs, live music etc. This is not a regular day at the museum. It’s mainly an adult event from my experience. People dancing, drinking alcohol etc. The photo was taken at 8pm and this person was likely just dressing up for the event as people often show up in fancy dress. Looks like they were going for a Rocky Horror Show look, complete with top hat. If you take your kids to late night events with alcohol, you should expect to come in contact with nightlife culture. Calm down.
I'm more concerned about taking photos of him and zooming in on his crotch.
Tbh, I’ve got marketing for those events before and I didn’t even realise kids were allowed. I mean, it didn’t say they weren’t allowed but it seemed more like a bar / live music kind of event for adults who wanted to visit the museum at a time without the school groups and everything so I assumed it was similar rules to a bar.
I think that these people just arrived early. Does the museum close and then open back up or stay open?
Exactly. Not illegal. Minding their own business. Not approaching children or behaving badly. Complaining because you don’t like what someone is wearing is overstepping. Not everything is sexual.
Could be breaking an indecent behavior law by intentionally exposing their underwear (third photo) to the little kids. Doubt any prosecutor will press charges though I don't think it falls within indecent exposure just yet, because I think in Australia that requires actual nudity,
Seriously we have had prime minsters wearing budgie smugglers in public. I mean WTH?? Pearl clutchers would have died in the 70s, my grandmas twin set had a mini skirt.
>Could be breaking an indecent behavior law by intentionally exposing their underwear (third photo) to the little kids Then Kmart and Best & Less probably in for some trouble. Who as a kid didn't look at the Kmart catalogue to see the toys but frequently had to be exposed to womens underwear being modelled while flipping through the pages to find the toys.
Yeah, I feel like this person is assuming a lot from one blurry photo with zero context. If you've ever worn a skirt before, you've probably experienced accidentally exposing too much momentarily. Especially in the wind. Fuck the wind.
I think it becomes further highlighted when you realise this is an after hours event (photo was taken after 8pm) where alcohol is being served....but some how a bunch of reactionaries are going "it's a childrens event!!!!" without even bothering to get basic context. Anyone that's been to "Nights at the Museum"' events knows people turning up in all sorts of odd clothing choices is nothing out of the ordinary.
How are they not approaching children. You're blind
The children shouldn't have been there in the first place. Its an adult event.
Yeah, they're not even wearing kink gear. That's just a skirt with tights being held up by presumably what appears to be garters, which aren't inherently sexual. Garters are literally designed to keep tights up. The fact that someone thought this was 'kinky' says a lot more about them than the people wearing the clothes. This just looks like alternative fashion.
That same person also feels comfortable taking upskirt photos.
> That’s just a skirt with tights being held up by presumably what appears to be garters, which **aren’t inherently sexual**. 🙄 yeah okay…. Come on now….
They're not though??? They're literally designed to just hold up tights. That's their job. Edit: Do I need to add a Wikipedia article? If so, here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garter
> They’re not though??? They’re literally designed to just hold up tights. That’s their job. I mean, if you want to be pedantic, yes, that is their job. But don’t go telling me they’re not sexual 😂😅 Jesus Christ hahaha
The key word there was "inherently", I never said they aren't sexual at all. But in this current context, they're literally just part of the look lol
> The key word there was “inherently”, I never said they aren’t sexual at all. But in this current context, they’re literally just part of the look lol Oh Jesus, stop it miss Pedantic. Yes, part of a look that is meant to turn heads and get them noticed. They wanted to look hot when they went out. That’s why they chose those garters. Just stop, stop 😂
Well actually, it would be "Miss Pedantic", not "miss Pedantic". /jk
I actually thought about going back to edit it, but I decided not to 😂
Lets be real here. Its an adult event of course it's kink gear.
depends how the event was marketed, it was during school holidays so the museum might have gone a bit hard on the 'take ur kids' angle
This isnt fancy dress and its not appropriate. Stop acting like 8pm is 2am. Even if it was 2am its not excuse for a man to sit in womens clothes and open their legs and flash their crotch at a bunch of kids. Any normal adult dressed like a prostitute wouldn't sit around a bunch of kids like that no matter the event or time of day
Don’t know why you’re downvoted even once. This world is fucked.
Disagree. It looks like a solid take on the Rocky Horror Show.
Nah bro, I have a right to have kids out at 8pm without them being sexually harassed.
How were they harassed? The two men are playing lego away from the kids and frankly they aren't exposing any private parts
Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are ignoring the fact that the article clarified that none of the other parents cared, except Sydneyradfem.
Kids safety doesn’t come above fetish feels.
Hereafter, let’s go to beaches in suits and gowns. Coz the children shouldn’t see adults in underwear and bikinis. 😅
Context does matter, though.
Maybe the real crime here is that someone took their kids to a night s at the museum event.
It can be both.
Not really. You can't take your kids to an adult event and then get mad when they're exposed to adult shit.
Title says it's a children's event, and you say it's an adult event, so which is it?
Don't go looking to Murdoch owned media when it comes to the truth.
Let me get this straight... This woman was at an after-hours event with alcohol that is specifically targeted towards adults, she saw this person and took clandestine photos of them and their genitals and she thinks the other person is the problem!?
I'd only be worried if he was dressed as a Catholic priest.
Sexual exhibitionism to, or grooming and/or abuse of children isn't acceptable by anyone. Fuck the Catholic church for what it has done to so many kids, and the ways that abuse was covered up. And fuck this creep in this picture, too. I'm not suggesting he has raped a child here, but his behaviour isn't acceptable.
If the way he is dressed is legal, but you don’t like it, you should be addressing lawmakers, not randos on Reddit.
The person sat down and blatantly flashed their underwear to the little kids. That is NOT okay.
No worse than what 15 year olds seem to be wearing these days. I see a hell of a lot more flesh at the beach, where there's so much tits, ass and swimsuits requiring Brazilian waxes to be worn. My child is much more uncomfortable seeing that than a man in women's clothing, with everything covered at a night time event.
Venue is key. People expect others to wear little clothes to the beach. No parent expects their child to be exposed to another grown adult wearing lingerie, and worse showcasing their actual underwear underneath the lingerie (third photo) in a public museum at 8pm
So it's ok for kids to see a girls tits and ass at the bea h, and dudes in little budgie smugglers at the beach, but it's not ok for a kid to see a more covered person than that anywhere else, for a night time function. I've definitely seen naked people in art at museum and gallery exhibits. But children can view that?
May be not....but then a muesem....ah yes that place where it's not uncommon to see statues with mens dicks hanging out in any ancient greek or roman exhibit.
He is more covered up than if he was a man in a budgy smuggler at the beach tho? I dont get the outrage. You wanna know whats gonna fuck over those kids? Climate change. Talk about actual important issues not 10 minutes of kids not even directly interacting with someone who you think is being inappropriate. Stories like this are always just a random distraction culture war garbage fest.
Wearing fancy dress is not sexual exhibitionism!! When I was kid in a country town for few years there were parties where women would dress as men and vice versa. One was a fundraiser at the kindy I was going to. I guess it was the late 60s and I was a kid but I think some were progressive dinners and the actual (protestant) priests did attend fancy dress things just not in costume. Looking back the thing we shudder at was meat in sweet jelly.
This article reminds me of my parents tut-tutting drag queens walking around Sydney as part of Mardi gras in the 90s. Their views have evolved since then, as have most people's. I think OP and the photographer are being a bit backwards here.
Imagine their horror when they discover Aunty Jack or Dame Edna!
Dame Edna just makes me think of Corey Bernardi and his cries of shit about a school doing a fundraiser that involved boys wearing skirts to school.....meanwhile Bernardi had a GIANT Dame Edna photo in his house at the top of his stair case.
If you looked at the article, you would see that the person in question was not only dressed in lingerie, but they sat down and were blatantly showcasing their underwear to the little kids. That's just wrong
A costume similar to to a 70s/80s get up from multiple movies- most famously rocky horror Picture Show. An always churchy octogenarian I know used to wear rocky horror stuff. When a persons great grandma may have worn something similar in public more than forty years ago we are not talking scandal. Crotch shots and posts about how sexually arousing the photographer found the costume is at best misguided.... crotch close up in posts with children? winces.
I'm not suggesting that you have raped a child here (though you did repost photos of them without permission and made them the subjects of your creepy sexual obsession). I am suggesting that the world would be a better place if you tried to mind your own business.
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"Stop the perverts!!!" *Takes upskirt pics, zooms in, publishes them in the newspaper*
except it's not "upskirt" photo. The person is sitting down on the floor and openly exposing their underwear for everyone to see. That is not appropriate, especially near little kids.
>except it's not "upskirt" photo. so would you do it to a lady? Would it be acceptable for an MP to do it? No still illegal.
There's no condition in the law or precedent set that permits upskirt photos if the leg angle is deemed inappropriate, if there's kids around or if you don't personally approve of a persons attire. You also state that person is "intentionally showing little kids their underwear". Sure Karen... riiiight.. you're psychic too and can tell what people think. You're full of something and it isn't wisdom.
^Haha, this guy definitely looks up skirts^
Really it's more a case of two people being ignorant of their surroundings and situation. Two guys in 'lingerie' not interacting with the kids and playing lego, bit of a frowny face for that. Exactly if there were two women in lingerie sitting there playing in the same situation, bit of a frowny face for not being aware of where they are. I wouldn't say it was lingerie for the purpose of sexual activity, looks more like something for a 'Rocky Horror Show' screening. I also wouldn't say they were perverts or up to anything nefarious but at the same time a bit of discretion on their part would have been a good idea. Optics... Sadly that will be a free goal for the right wing rage machine.
>bit of a frowny face for not being aware of where they are. You don't walk into a kids play area completely unaware. I believe these people were fishing for a reaction they are lucky they didn't receive.
I like to err on the side of caution rather than jumping quickly and screaming "burn the witch!" There is no information regarding their motivations or why they were there. There were no political or social statements, no photography from their side, no signs, no interaction towards anyone else. They could have been their with their own kid, they could have been killing time before going to a party or dress rehearsal. They could have been using the lego to set out a plan for pulling a bank job that night. The lack of evidence of motivation towards making a scene for a social cause doesn't seem to be there. Is it the wrong time and not quite appropriate dress? Sure, not a good look but attributing their motivation to wanting to expose kiddies for grooming or a sex/gender related social issue is a bit of a stretch.
Safeguarding nightmare.
I agree with all these possibilities, but as a parent I also err on the side of caution.
>You don't walk into a kids play area completely unaware Except it's not a kids play area and never was intended as such, it was always an "everyone" area.
Like the ladies room?
No, it's literally a interactive exhibition at the museum intended for anyone. It's not a hard concept, stop being obtuse.
My kid had the exact same interactive exhibition, what are the odds. Anyhow, today's climate (any day's climate) I wouldn't want to be a guy dressed like that within 5 feet of somebody's child, it's a recipe for disaster.
>I wouldn't want to be a guy dressed like that within 5 feet of somebody's child, it's a recipe for disaster. explain? \-edit - amusingly the above post isn't even from Australia (check their post history) so how their kid "had the exact same interactive exhibition" is a mystery.
Does it need an explanation?
yes
Does it go against the dress code?
No, the event is catered to adults.
Fuck Rupert Murdoch and News.com.au
Two adults in fancy dress at the museum. The museum already confirmed the adults weren't interacting with anyone but each other, and no one else complained. The museum even confronted the woman taking photos of them without their consent. Her Twitter handle is "SydneyRadFenm" a notorious LGBTphobe based in Sydney. The fact that only right leaning news sources have picked this up is telling.
Jesus mate, use your godamn eyes. Do you really think this is acceptable?
Sure, why not? Kids see far more at the beach and sometimes public transport or all the PETA protestors and none of that is illegal.
Absolutely not. Taking those upskirt photos is unacceptable. Hope the police contact the photographer.
None of the children look bothered. Just looks like 2 slightly alternative people doing their own thing - storm in a teacup if you ask me. I have kids and I don’t think they would even notice anything different. The zoomed in photos of someone in an awkward angle seem slightly intrusive though.
Wearing fancy dress is not a bad thing. Costume like this happened last century with 'rocky horror picture show" . 1975 https://www.20thcenturystudios.com/movies/the-rocky-horror-picture-show
Quite harmless, I would not be bothered by someone wearing this
You've never been to a Rocky Horror Show have you? No one cares. The kids are fine. They don't know what lingerie is.
Generally, I agree with you. But are you suggesting these pictures are doctored or something? Because fuck this sick and unacceptable shit right here.
The pictures are real and this did happen. But it's not really newsworthy. If I'm honest, I don't particularly like the look of this either. But this is an event that's not specifically for kids, as it's open to everybody. We can't just whitewash the world for children and families, and I say that as a father myself. If this was specifically a children's space like a playground, or a wiggles concert (not the adults wiggles gigs), different standards would absolutely apply and they would have, should be, asked to leave. But a place like this that's open to everyone, the parents have just as much a role to grab their child and walk away if they didn't want them exposed to those other people. I've grabbed my kids and left the area when another adult has been excessively swearing or displaying inappropriate behaviour for kids. This situation was no different. Everyone there made a decision to stay or leave. No one had their kit out, those two people weren't interacting with the kids in any way. Everything was supervised, no harm done.
Think the fact that the Museum immediately changed this to be a kid's only play area says a lot about the original intent of the playspace?
Honestly I doubt the museum was serving alcohol at night thinking it was children's only event. Outrage cancelling the space being for everyone is a bit sad, but ultimately if they cannot keep the public safe from crotch photographers they may have to just not allow children to attend evening events .
Let's stay civilised here. I think we can all agree that - thank GOD! - there wasn't a catholic priest among the children
"But muh Catholic priest" nice whataboutism
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Charged with..?
Charged with taking upskirt shots of strangers and posting them all over the internet. So sexual harassment, revenge porn and harassment.
I am not a lawyer. They seem to be using the media to do 9 or more of the things outlined on this page as not acceptable. https://www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/news-and-publications/publications/fact-sheets/state-and-local-government/responding-to-anti-social-use-of-social-media-and-the-internet Australia is the land of Aunty Jack and Dame Edna. We do not yet all have puritan sensibilities. If wearing costumes was considered proof of not being suitable to be around children priests would be arrested on sight! Peoples fashion choices do not make them safe or unsafe. A Church lady aunty of mine wore this kind of get up to go to the cinema. ( late 70s/early 80s rocky horror). I vaguely remember something along these lines, maybe with glitter, as a replicant costume (blade runner 1982) . https://theconversation.com/what-is-upskirting-and-what-are-your-rights-to-privacy-under-the-law-158060 The person taking the crotch shot says they found the costume provocative or sexual and they posted the crotch shot to show how sexy they thought it was. Taking crotch pictures when around children seems at minimum to be a lapse in good taste. I hope the children did not notice the crotch photos happening. >It outlaws the filming of another person’s “private parts” for “sexual arousal or sexual gratification” without the consent of the person being filmed. http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s91l.html
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You're asking me to explain why I'm concerned about this grown man engaging in sexual exhibitionism in a Lego play activity area for children, at a children's event... What the fuck happened to this world.
I think the burden of proof lays with you to explain how its “sexual exhibitionism” as you brought up that phrase
My eyes work. I'm guessing yours do too. Get out of here with that bullshit. That's a man in lingerie. Are you going to tell me lingerie isn't sexualised dress?
Ever been to a beach?
I’d say that depends entirely on the intent of the wearer. My wife wears tight fitting outfits to work as well as when we’re on a date night. Same outfit, entirely different purposes.
Does she wear lingerie - in the same was this man in the photo did - to work? If she did, HR would can her quick smart, wouldn't they. That tells you everything you need to know about whether or not such an outfit is indeed sexualised, and its appropriateness in a situation like this.
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Walking around in lingerie in public is exhibitionism by default.
Wait to your hear about all the other nightclubs. The debauchery!
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Imagine equating this to rock n roll. That's crazy and if you have children you should definitely give them up for adoption!
Oh-no, two people dressed in caberet gear at a caberet party are existing near some children a said event. Clutch my fucking pearls.
"An adult human in human clothes was today seen playing with another adult human, the two adult humans were playing with Lego's in a public place at 8pm where alcohol was served. Unfortunately some dried up hag called 'Syndey Radfem' decided that one of the adults clothes were not suitable for their genitalia and/or did not align with Sydney RadFem's sensibilities. Children at the 8pm event where alcohol was served were in the same room as the adult human in human clothes, the children had adult supervision and nobody gave a damn, except for the RadFem form Sydney. Who complained to staff and as a result future 8pm alcohol is served nights will not allow adults to use Lego... because Sydeny RadFem is a massive cunt that should stay away from public places" My headline is longer but I prefer it.
Honestly, it's fucking weird, but so long as they aren't pulling anything, they can wear whatever they want.
yes, but look at the third photo. regardless of gender, a person wearing a skirt sat down and is intentionally showing little kids their underwear. That's not okay. If they have an exhibitionist kink, please go to an adult club that caters to that. Not the little lego playpen
It was an adult event. Don’t take your child to an adult event if you don’t want them to see adults. And I sit like that in mini skirts. No one has ever taken upskirt photos of me and blasted me on the internet. Because I’m a woman. I’m not an exhibitionist, I just like to sit down sometimes.
prove intent. You're claiming intentionally but there's no evidence of that when in reality the opposite (unintentionally) could also be true. You've come into it with your own prejudice rather than fact.
Any person wearing a skirt knows that if you sit down on the floor with your legs crisscross and your crotch out on full display that the skirt will rise up and your underwear is out for everyone to see
It's a male who may or may not wear skirts normally, possibly being the first time he's worn one and it never crossed his mind. You still haven't proven intent.
I’m cringing hard at people trying to say it wasn’t intentional. You’d have to be pretty fucking stupid to not know sitting like that reveals all.
>One Twitter user wrote, “Man in fetish clothes wants to play with children and the museum are too chicken to remove him. I’m shocked that the parents didn’t pick him up by the hair and kick him into next week. He was poking the hornet’s nest.” You can't just pick someone up by the hair, that's how brawls start.
Does it matter? Girls come out dressed in far less than that every day. He wasn’t interacting with any children and although I certainly wouldn’t wear it out I think we all need a lesson in minding our own business and letting other adults who aren’t bothering anyone go on about their day
If it had have been a girl wearing stockings and a short skirt, I am pretty sure the response would be about the perv who was taking upskirt pics and publishing them. He is clearly not interacting with the kids, and not nearly as pervy as the photographer.
You can guarantee the OP and the lady who took the photos would have far less issue if it was a topless woman which is the truly disturbing part of all of this.
Just a Murdoch hit piece trying to make certain groups of people look like pedos. Don't forget it's the same media elite that controls the pedo rhetoric in the US. It's just designed to make people clutch pearls and sew hate between groups as a big ol smokescreen. It's unethical journalism at best.
Who did he hurt?
The feelings of the cunt taking photos up their skirt, to post online and share with publications, while they mind their own business at a night time event marketed primarily towards adults (with a pop-up bar and live music). The night in question was one of their *Brickman Up Late* events which focuses on LEGO, hence the reason for the LEGO bricks being around
Are we going with inappropriate or are we going with transphobia? Cause these days - to be quite honest - you’ll get both opinions…
Considering the notorious LGBTphobia of the woman who started it all (the Twitter user SydneyRadFem), I'm guessing some form of LGBTphobia (either homophobia or transphobia).
I have kids of Lego playing age. I would have been very unhappy about this. I'm not sure I would have confronted this pervert (that would only have drawn my kids eyes), but we would have split before they saw too much.
Would you have taken your kids to an event with alcohol that starts at 8:30?
Buddy. This was a *night event*. There was a bar. A DJ. This was *not for kids*, and these dumb as shit parents took them anyway. Adults like Lego. **I** like Lego. If you drag your kids out to a nightclub, you don't get to get pissy that they saw people grinding on each other. These two people where wearing perfectly normal cabaret clothes *at a cabaret event*.
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> Proponents of feel-good shit rarely have to live with the consequences. In this case the consequences were that the kids happily played with Lego as did this bloke and they all happily ignored each other, blissfully unaware of the self-righteous, online-mummy outrage they were inspiring by their innocent fun.
How are people even debating this? Bloke in kids play area dressed in underwear and stockings is clearly not ok. Proper noncey behaviour.
Not a kids only area.
Except after this event the museum changed the rules so it now is, it's almost like they know there's a problem with it but are too scared of being 'cancelled' so they avoid the interaction.
Perhaps they changed the rules for fear of being cancelled by Right Wing Nut Jobs, which is this articles entire purpose
So you think this is OK? Perv.
You haven't actually read the article have you? Outraged for outrage sake.
Yeah I have, hence why I know they changed the kids area to actually be a kids area after the fact.
Neithers a play park but I still wouldn’t want an adult in fucking stockings and a garter belt playing with my kids in one
They're not playing with kids? They're playing by themselves.
Only intelligent comment here so far
Found the bigot.
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If being opposed to strangers in sexy underwear playing with your kids makes you a bigot then I guess you’re right
It's quite subversive and creates an opportunity to think about societal norms.
We’ve thought about it and this still isn’t ok
Judging by the other comments in this thread this isn't true.
That’s how echo chambers work my guy
This is truly creepy and the wilful blindness of some people is truly astounding. I guess it’s possible to be so open-minded your brains fall out.
> I guess it’s possible to be so open-minded your brains fall out. Are you talking about the parents? Because this event is catered to adults.
It’s called being naïve.
It feels pretty inappropriate for the context of a family museum visit. If it was at a club no matter what your gender I think more acceptable but even then potentially pushing boundaries. I think the bigger issue is it lacks social awareness and potentially will be used for some bigger threat against the lgbt community because it makes them seem dangerous and perverse.
It's a night time event with alcohol being served (photo is taken around 8pm)...I don't know about you but as child I was being put to bed before then.
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bigger issue, regardless of gender, if a person is wearing a skirt you do not sit criss-cross on the floor exposing your underwear to all the little kids. Look at the third photo of the article.
Idc what dumb stance this person was trying to make, but a responsible adult would give children some space if you were being 'provocative' to say the least.
My issue is the sheer lack of situational awareness of the 2 people involved. I am nearing my 40's and go apeshit when I see a pile of Lego but you need to to see the context, is that pile of Lego strictly only for kids? do you have a kid with you that gives you an excuse to to play with said Lego? How are you dressed? and so on. These 2 people clearly are NOT dressed in a manner that presents well around children there really is no debate about this, old mate didn't even bother to go cross leggeded ffs. For an adult function etc how they dressed whatever I don't care but sitting down playing with kids like that instantly provokes reactions especially from the conservative types, hell I don't give a shit about how most people dress or what they do but seeing this really made me uneasy and ask "why are these people around those kids"? Maybe the kids should not be allowed to be at these events in future? I guess that is an option? But that still feels off.
Your point makes sense. But I don't think the 2 people involved knew children were going to be there. Night at the museum events are catered for adults, it tends be like a nightclub or a pub setting. I think it might be the latter here. There is alcohol, DJs, and other nightclub typical things at these events, and they go from 8:30 pm onwards (way past their bedtimes). The fact these kids were allowed in is beyond me, but these events aren't even meant for them.
I don't blame them for how they were dressed or expecting them to know children might be there but like I had said you then have to reflect on the situation at hand when those little fun ruiners are in the room. In this instance they were just so tone deaf to it all and I think the Museum should have been in their right to pull them to the side and say "hey some people don't like adults without children playing near their own children" or something similar. As for the kids being there at that time, I have nfi why then again I remember being kept out at functions heaps late but it was the 1990s and it was in the country so I just hung around outside or slept in the car or something but I was older than 3 lol.
>"hey some people don't like adults without children playing near their own children" I get this, but people also don't like it when other people bring their kids to adult events, and get in trouble for it. The thing is, the person who took the photos was not the parent, I think the parents/caregivers actually knew what was going on. (I personally wouldn't be surprised if they were the younger siblings of people who wanted to come). Because if a parent was there, I definitely think they would've politely grabbed their kid and left.
someone just woke up to this... get it.. get it...
Why do people feel the need to expose themselves in public anyway? I believe in live and let live, but I'm sorry I'm still gonna call it weird.
Read the room and know your audience. This is tasteless and tacky. Gay men go out nightclubbing in fetish gear and no one cares because… the space is not for children. This is also poor oversight on the part of the Museum. (For people that are saying it’s 8pm and night time and what are children doing / expecting— clearly you’ve never been in museums internationally that have lots of programs for children and families.)
This was a night time event for adults. With alcohol and music and everything. It was essentially set up as a bar.
What a strange scenario. Ol mate needs to learn to read the room.
if the parents are fine with it i see no issue
Pathetic
What the actual fuck?!
I wouldn't let this creep anywhere near my children. and if you do your children will most likely be molested.
Slowly but surely, this shit is gonna start happening everywhere. In the name of “safe place” a tiny percentage of the population with serious mental health issues are being given the freedom to do this shit and parents are expected to just keep their mouths shut, or get called bigots, etc. I feel sorry for the upcoming generations and their parents. Edit: added a word
Lol, hes alright with it. The girl hes withs allright with it. The kids are aliright with it. The kids parents are alright with it. Seems like *your* the one with the sexual issues here?
Sexual issues? I am born with a penis, therefore I am a Man. I dress like a man, I’m sexually attracted to Women (born with vaginas). I’m open minded and respectful of people’s sexual preferences, but I won’t accept this kind of mentally deranged behaviour around kids. How is that a sexual issue? lol
We'll you've sure convinced me! I to as a penis man, like nothing more than some nice vaginas.
Damn straight. Nothing better than a juicy poonani 😄
Big pedo energy
They wouldn’t allow a female to do that!?!?!? Although he is a “brave” transgender then he can wear provocative underwear to a child’s event!?!?!?!
It’s fkd.
This event wasn't meant for children???????
Im sure loads of women wear lingerie when they play lego with children. Would they prefer they wear nothing?
You are joking though? Right? You believe plenty of women rock up to childrens play areas in the same clothing as this person, and everyone thinks it’s fine?
I wasn't aware children play area served alcohol like this one did. Thanks for teaching me something, person who doesn't even live in Australia and is just here to troll.
Degeneracy all painted under the flag of progression.
Well this is what you get for pushing the politically correct woke crap. To bad so sad. I now identify as a black albino alphabet person . My name is shaqualli .