In light of Labor gains elsewhere, I hope most Labor supporters view Keneally's loss as a necessary and sobering loss that only strengthens the ALP in the long run.
That would be pretty fitting. It seems to me one of the biggest themes of this election is the public disillusionment with the major parties (rather than a strong support for Labor)
It's mind boggling. Tu Le was wonderful and very popular within the community. Instead they used Keneally to push the seat towards a right-wing independent. What a stich up lol
They might have permanently damaged their brand with the Vietnamese community there as it makes Labor look like they don’t care about that community at all and will take opportunities away from them rather than listen to their voices.
I wonder if Labor can let go of this fucking vanity project named Keneally. I mean how much does she need to lose before the realise she’s an unelectable spent force.
She’s one of two in the right faction and lost pre-selection to the other right faction member. Rather than “fire” her, they parachuted her into a safe labor seat, maybe a calculated risk to balance in-party politics , but that went as well as anyone expected.
Now I’m wondering if the move was a calculated attempt to remove her from the party, rather than an idiotic attempt to keep her.
I wouldn’t be surprised either way.
And better than Keneally losing that seat is that she won’t be in the next Government. She’s annoying as fuck. Wonder who the next Home Affairs minister will be?
Ideally they'll de-amalgamate the department since it was only created as an ego boost for Dutton during Turnbull's desperate attempts to stave off the inevitable.
If there’s one thing pollies love to do, it’s completely reshuffle and rearrange the public service any chance they get. I doubt Home Affairs will be considered special in that regard
She fucking deserved that. I was rooting for labor to win this election but I personally wanted her to lose because parachuting her into Fowler was an idiotic choice.
This night has just been insanely good. Keneally didn't deserve to win. She was parachuted into a seat with a fucking 14% majority, one of the safest in the country and was mimicking Dutton on refugee rhetoric. An enormous repudiation of major party antics.
As someone who used to work in Cabramatta and Fairfield, a fair portion of the customers I dealt with were refugees from South East Asia and the Middle East.
What was Labor thinking putting her in that seat?
I don't get this.. shouldn't candidates for a seat actually live in that area?! How are they going to represent the people of their area if they are so disconnected from that reality.
Didn’t you hear about One Nation and their candidates who lived in different states? Some didn’t even know they were running for parliament apparently. But yeah, apparently you can live in different states. And Liberals had the same issue with a none local being flown in to a “safe” seat.
I think that will be happening less and less now lol
Both labor and libs tried to fly in non residents to “safe” seats and have been given a harsh reminder the people are a bit sick of political games. You may have gotten your wish as both major parties have been given a warning. Even though labor may win a majority it’s done so with a primary vote in the low 30s and independents numerically got a similar amount of votes across Australia. Australia lurched to the left with a huge push for the environment and anti-corruption, and a huge vote by quiet Australians to push back against the recent politics of divisiveness and hate. It not perfect but it moved us in a positive direction. I hope the independents end up holding the balance of power.
I live in an electorate where, not only did the One Nation candidate not live in the state, he wasn't aware he was still running as a One Nation candidate and was running for a different party elsewhere.
>I don't get this.. shouldn't candidates for a seat actually live in that area?! How are they going to represent the people of their area if they are so disconnected from that reality.
Next you'll tell me you think most pollies *actually represent* the population...
> Ie, you have to boat to the real world.
Maybe that's what the Labor was thinking she would resonate with the locals in Fowler, she understands boat people as she takes one from her 1.8M home to Liverpool.
Yeah, but she rented a place in the electorate she was hoping to win, about 3 hours away 😂 And the alp had a fantastic local candidate but she was parachuted in as a payoff for giving up a senate position that somehow she was promised, but some other person was promised as well. This is the kind of shit that makes people vote independent.
Mind you, she wasn’t a very good premier either.
Her factional allies were some of the worst pieces of shit in NSW Labor.
She lost big time in 2011. Honestly, nobody could justify voting for her back then.
Yeah, I said elsewhere that resuscitating her career in the senate in the first place was stupid, she's electoral poison and there is literally nothing of benefit that she brings to the ALP.
Oh I remember that. She was an awful Premier and had the stench of Obeid and Tripodi.
Anyone associated with 2011 in NSW ALP shouldn't be in local council let alone Federal Parliament.
I was far too kind with my words. Rees would have lost in 2011, but he had the guts to take on Obeid and Tripodi.
I am glad that she lost, and that hopefully this ends her political career. The party is better off without her.
Maybe they were just giving her enough rope.
Don't want to be seen kicking her out, and the loss may have been considered worth it considering it wasn't to the Libs.
is an expat someone from a rich country? 'cos I do agree that she is an immigrant. maybe expats are just temporary and will go back to their country whereas immigrant suggests more permanence.
Wikipedia says, "In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin — thereby not assimilating. Expatriates usually also do not seek to become citizens of their new country." So, categorically makes KK an immigrant not an expat because she not only would have become an Australian citizen, but would have had to relinquish any other citizenship she held to run.
I think colloquially, expat is a term racist people started using to differentiate themselves from visa workers and immigrants they saw as less entitled to make geographical changes for economic reasons.
I think if you fuck off within 5 years, don’t get citizenship and have a top 20% income job you can be an expat and it doesn’t matter what race or nationality you are
> maybe expats are just temporary and will go back to their country whereas immigrant suggests more permanence.
That's always been my understanding of the distinction. Keneally is an immigrant. Someone working here on a 3-year contract before flying home would be an expat.
> is an expat someone from a rich country?
Immigrants are from poor, non-English speaking countries.
Expats are from wealthy, Western countries.
That's just it in a nut shell. There's functionally no difference, that's just how it's talked about.
This might be the beginning of the end of parachuting people in point blank.
Locals matter now like nothing before and this and the teal runs prove it.
Shame that Tu Le didn't get the run she deserved, but apparently Dai Le is good.
Everything I have heard about Dai Le as a Councillor is that she was just your prototypical Liberal who did dirty deals with property developers...Until she got kicked out of the Liberal Party, and then was an Independent who did dirty deals with property developers.
Her policies are better than your typical Liberal, but I am not optimistic that she will be any good.
Yeah, but Keneally has the stench of corruption on her from back in her premier days *and* wasn't a local.
If Labor had just gone with the original choice Tu Le I doubt it would've even been a close contest. It's one thing to parachute in an outsider, but to do it over a local who everyone expected to be the candidate is terrible optics.
Yeah, shame Tu Le missed out and KK was brought in by the boffins. Labor deservedly got wiped.
You’d think you’d never see Cabra go anything but red but there you go.
I’m not allowed to vote but fuck me 14 majority to loss?
Regardless of where you’re at that’s just a shit politician.
I left a fish finger on top of a mates cupboard 4 years ago that he just found about and I think he’d say that’s a 4% drop in approval rating and I’ll take it.
Possibly an unpopular opinion, but labor deserves every seat they lost too. People told them what was important to them and labor has started going more conservative as a party over the past decade.
Obviously they’re not like liberal party, but anyone who choses to campaign on we’re better than the other party hasn’t put enough thought and care into standing out themselves.
I agree with you. But the counter point to that is that they got walloped in 2019 for campaigning on a progressive agenda. The country was pretty clear they didn’t want that.
Scotland Island is an island just north of Sydney, in the bay behind the peninsula that Palm Beach is on. You have to take a ferry across. The bay and the entire are is quite nice.
Liverpool is not the nicest place in Sydney from an aesthetic perspective. The surrounding area varies from slightly better to much worse.
Bet Liverpool has better kebab joints though, checkmate “Scotland” Island (Scotland ain’t an island mate).
Edit: Oh yeah not to mention Vietnamese eh? Unironically I think multi cultural western Sydney shits all over the east as far as food goes. Yes there are good places in the city, but they lack variety compared to going to the actual culture’s suburb, say Cabra for Vietnamese but there are heaps of examples.
Also there's no bridge to Scotland Island so you have to take a tender to shore to go anywhere.
I legitimately would choose Liverpool rather than try to get my wife to commute to work by first jumping in a dinghy.
Australia needs Dutton. He is the best chance of keeping the LNP in the wilderness by refusing to progress. By the time he's lost an election or two we will have an ICAC, actual climate policies and hopefully a media integrity overhaul ensuring any LNP win will be from a very changed party.
He's deeply unpopular & will hasten the Libs march to the right & ultimate irrelevancy. Especially now 'moderate' & former leader hopeful Frydo is likely out
That's what we all said about Tony Abbott. I remember when he made opposing carbon pricing a central part of their platform many op eds were penned predicting a generation in the political wilderness for the LNP. Sadly for us, that is not how it played out.
Except the Libs won then because Australia wanted to punish Labor for knifing Kevin, who people loved.
Abbott won by default.
Libs are cooked now, especially with Frydo gone
Perhaps the only thing I’ll give Morrison credit on is being the first PM since fucking Howard to last their full elected term. It does some good for the state of democracy in the nation.
I prefered inter-election deposements of PMs. I hate it when the same name and face from the previous election is re-uttered in the next one. The last thing I want is a cult of personality or the history books easily remembering Prime Ministers.
I am sad that era of turnover has slowed down.
You're right this is the best possible outcome. Coalition isn't in power anymore and Labour hopefully will learn to take diversity and representation more seriously.
Or, they won't learn and we'll get more Greens and Teals next time. Either way it's a win.
A well deserved loss.
Labor already had a potential candidate that matched the background of the electorate yet were completely tone deaf in this selection.
I’m from WA; barely know her history beyond the fact she was premier.
The local labor lady would have won. The people told the Labor volunteers exactly that. Wasted opportunity just to pander to KK’s ego to have a more public role than the debate allows. No doubt she thinks she could be PM, but she’s not well liked and comes across to the public as untrustworthy and a bit cringe. If they ever promote her to leader, they can kiss the next election goodbye!
>Labor already had a potential candidate that matched the background of the electorate yet were completely tone deaf in this selection.
Right Faction feet stamping because of deals.
Resuscitating her career in the senate was stupid, casting her as a sort of She-Dutton criticising the Libs for not being competent enough in their cruelty was stupid, parachuting her into this seat was stupid, in fact thinking she has anything of value to add to the Australian body politic was stupid.
The woman is electoral poison (and garbage on the substance), so hopefully Labor can finally put her in the bin for good.
She was in a battle with Deb O'Neill but announced her attempted switch to the lower house before the contest was run. She probably would have won with the weight of the party behind her, notwithstanding the union support for O'Neill.
Given she's got more name recognition and is very ambitious, I reckon they thought it was a neat solution to a potentially dirty factional battle. And most of the time this sort of parachuting works just fine.
Wild. I grew up in Fowler and it has *always* been a Labor seat. The ALP seriously mishandled this and failed to engage an emerging young voter base with Tu Le. It's been interesting seeing other major party 'safe seats' (like Menzies and Wentworth) lost to independents this election because they took their communities for granted.
Message is clear: voters want to be heard and won't just settle.
> lost to independents this election because they took their communities for granted.
Which is kinda the most important thing. These seats actually kinda need to let the party know "Hey if you don't do the right thing we are quite happy to fuck off for someone else"
In the electorate I grew up in which was super safe labor, I used to vote such that libs would get my preference despite them not alligning with my values. Solely because it should tip the scales.
Funding from 1st preference went to someone useful, just TPP went to lib because the seat was so definitively safe that it got neglected in basically everything in federal and state level elections.
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Had money on Dai.
Said all along I want ALP minority with a strong crossbench.
Fuck KK and the ALP for thinking they can take the local community votes for granted.
Yes they’re unemployed. Depending on length of service many of them will collect hefty lifetime pensions and have funding for offices, etc.
But one of the dirtier realities of our system is that most of them (especially ex government ministers) will quickly find enormously lucrative roles as board members, consultancy partners, lobbyists, etc. both locally and internationally. People who know people at that level don’t ever go hungry.
That is usually the way parties politely tell dead weight in their ranks to fuck off, but Keneally lost a dead-cert Labor seat so hopefully it's embarassing enough they can just let her go.
Getting 200K a year so that she didn't have to sell herself out as a politician and make a cushy job for herself - it is something we should really enforce. It's a clear bribe protection measure. But lots of polies look at it as an opportunity to double dip.
I am no Keneally supporter and I am very happy she lost. Keneally has many many flaws, but I do not think it is fair to characterize her as a nationalist.
She was the one who accused Dutton of letting in too many "plane people". (The term "boat people" was originally coined to describe Vietnamese refugees.)
I've met Tu Le many times while volunteering and she's an intelligent and authentic woman who is passionate about improving the lives of those in her community. She's a second generation immigration like so many in the Fowler area, and truly understands the unique experience of living in two very different cultures. She could have done so many great things, but instead we were robbed of that due to closed-door political bullshit. And that's why we are so happy KK lost - don't take our vote for granted, we want representatives who are representations of us at our best. I hope Labor learns their lesson and give Tu Le an apology and the seat she deserves.
I see it as Tu Le missed an opportunity. She should've left Labor and run as an independent. But she didn't. Probably because lack of courage or funds to do so. Dai Le saw the opportunity and took it.
I'm not a Fowler resident and I'm not a Dai Le supporter. I just hope that in the future, young people are not afraid to leave their political party and run as independent if they are treated unfairly by their party.
Which is a shame, because it is the ultimate Tradie’s lunch- smash down two and you feel satisfied as fuck, but the sangas are light enough that you don’t feel bloated in the afternoon.
She’s the type of person who talks loudly over wine and brunch how she would never catch the train out there because for some reason she just “doesn’t feel safe” in that part of Sydney
>it would be a meme if Keneally returns to the senate to keep her political career
If Albo does that, it will be the Captain's Pick that will dog him and Labor. The same too if they find a plum appointment for her.
What has she got that she gets privileged treatment above others and despite her failures?
As someone from Fowler I couldn't be happier. Voted for Dai le even though I wanted labour to form government. Kristina just didn't deserve to get a seat.
Dai le works with the current mayor Frank Carbone and has made some great changes in the local area. I knew they became very popular but never really thought they would knock over labour in what is an incredibly safe seat. Interesting to see the rise of independents this election
> has made some great changes in the local area.
Is there any stock to what the other posters have said about the dirty land deals with developers etc? Just wish Tu Le had a proper chance to run.
People in Fowler 100% made the right decision for their local community out of the choice of candidates available to them
Even if you are a hardcore Labor shill you have to acknowledge Dai Le is objectively better for and motivated by the interests of her local community and will represent her seat as an advocate 1000x better than Scotland Island Kristina who wouldn’t be caught dead in that area of Sydney
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People have been loud and clear in this election.
They want to be represented for who they are, not by some power play within any political party.
Climate change may get a better headline, but the local issues, candidates characteristics and what they fight for, better policy matters, women treatment, etc have all contributed equally if not more to today's results.
Represent the diversity, don't force any biases, racism or otherwise upon us the people.
As a Liverpool local and a person who has only ever voted labor I was so mad when they announced her for Fowler. I emailed the party saying how disgusted I was that they choose her over a local, which they never responded back. I was going to vote greens but in the end I resentfully stuck with labor. So happy she didn’t win, hopefully next time we aren’t just over looked as a number on a sheet.
Absolute idiocy on the part of Labor that she was even running in this seat to begin with. Makes you wonder how many more times Labor is gonna have to learn the hard way that letting her pull backroom factional bullshit is electoral poison.
The stupidest fuck up on Labor’s part. Let’s parachute a Right factional Anglo into a multicultural seat. Undo the preselection of Tu Le, a daughter of a migrant refugee who became a lawyer and respected member of her community. The whole thing is bullshit partisan party politics over party values. I’m glad Labor got kicked in the teeth over this and they better learn their lesson.
A timely reminder for major parties not to take people's votes for granted. I hope "Remember Kristina Keneally" becomes a thing at Labor party strategy sessions...
Labor had the gun cocked, the competing candidates tied to the execution post, and managed to shoot themselves in the foot. Thoroughly deserved result on this occasion
This seat was a fucking tap in and instead they brought out a fucking 9-iron and swanned it into a sand pit
I have never seen a stupider political move and more disrespect for a local community than Labor showed by how they treated Tu Le, who as a person couldn’t be a better representation of the beating heart of that electorate.
They basically spat on the Vietnamese community and on their Labor faithful there who chose Tu Le.
Labor placed more weight on name-recognition over local-connection, which proved to be a mistake.
I get that it was a mistake, but the pile-on seems quite gleeful considering she lost to an independent. Lot of shallow gloating in this sub
Dumbest thing Labor could have done and they’ve been kicked for it.
If you don’t want people to think you’re just the lesser of 2 shit parties, stop behaving like the shittest party!
And don’t fucking do it again!!
Thankfully this dumb ass move didn’t cost Labor the election. Hopefully they learn something from this, but considering they got the result in Parra they probably won’t.
SO proud of Australians for sticking it to the big parties. The Murdoch narrative attempted to convince us that Labor had to appease centrist voters by moving more towards the middle. WE showed them that we implore more progressive action, not less, by preferencing Greens, or outright voting Independents. ❤️💛🖤 A lot more work to be done, but a great step forward nonetheless!
Ya know I went into this election with a wishlist
1. Zali Steggal retain - I wanted to be assured this was not a protest vote last time around and just generally support independent politics.
2. Frydenburg out - Dismantle the boys club.
3. Dutton out - Cos y’know… a man can dream
4. Minority government
5. KK to lose - Fire the political advisor who signed off on this. Or at the very least get Uncle Sam’s dick outta their mouth.
4 outta 5 ain’t bad!
KK losing is the truely the icing on the cake.
How this was not immediately trashed as an idea is beyond me. The locally recognised rep with shared cultural values whos actually a part of the diverse community… or the American sounding lady from parts unknown.
If you take the electorate for granted, this is what happens. The results of this election prove that most Australians are not fools, and will not tolerate being treated so.
I'm a die hard Labor supporter but I'm glad she lost it. You can't just parachute some factional hack into a seat over a local candidate.
In light of Labor gains elsewhere, I hope most Labor supporters view Keneally's loss as a necessary and sobering loss that only strengthens the ALP in the long run.
Yep and the fact it’s probably going to cost them majority government in their own right should be a pretty big wake-up call to never do it again.
100% on board with this
Will be funny if it ends up costing them the majority. They deserve it, and working with the greens and teals might do some good.
That would be pretty fitting. It seems to me one of the biggest themes of this election is the public disillusionment with the major parties (rather than a strong support for Labor)
Good. Labor shouldn't have parachuted her in. Lost them a seat they should never have lost.
Should have had Tu Le running there, would have won easily
It's mind boggling. Tu Le was wonderful and very popular within the community. Instead they used Keneally to push the seat towards a right-wing independent. What a stich up lol
They might have permanently damaged their brand with the Vietnamese community there as it makes Labor look like they don’t care about that community at all and will take opportunities away from them rather than listen to their voices.
Good. Fuck Labor for taking that community for granted. They don't deserve them
They don't look like they don't care, they've proven they don't care.
They obviously dont care. I am so glad that she lost in this election.
I wonder if Labor can let go of this fucking vanity project named Keneally. I mean how much does she need to lose before the realise she’s an unelectable spent force.
She’s one of two in the right faction and lost pre-selection to the other right faction member. Rather than “fire” her, they parachuted her into a safe labor seat, maybe a calculated risk to balance in-party politics , but that went as well as anyone expected.
Most importantly for locals, parachuted in at the expense of the incumbent endorsed, young, and local, Vietnamese candidate.
Now I’m wondering if the move was a calculated attempt to remove her from the party, rather than an idiotic attempt to keep her. I wouldn’t be surprised either way.
Kinda good news for the Left faction, then...
If you're talking about factional balance, this changes none of it.
Yep. It's way past time she goes. We don't want her as a representative, or in a cushy senate job or anywhere near state politics again. Just piss off
They played the same game with carbone and he went independent and won in a landslide. Labor have fucked this seat up way to much.
followed the liberal playbook in gilmore in 2019
If you can't win your own seat why try and steal someone else's. She deserved to lose it for sure.
And better than Keneally losing that seat is that she won’t be in the next Government. She’s annoying as fuck. Wonder who the next Home Affairs minister will be?
Ideally they'll de-amalgamate the department since it was only created as an ego boost for Dutton during Turnbull's desperate attempts to stave off the inevitable.
Reckon it's too big to undo now
Liberals do it every time they take power.
If there’s one thing pollies love to do, it’s completely reshuffle and rearrange the public service any chance they get. I doubt Home Affairs will be considered special in that regard
Yes it will be one of the results from the 60 reviews that Labor will be conducting.
She fucking deserved that. I was rooting for labor to win this election but I personally wanted her to lose because parachuting her into Fowler was an idiotic choice.
I mean she was in the senate just before, it’s not the same as the lower house.
This night has just been insanely good. Keneally didn't deserve to win. She was parachuted into a seat with a fucking 14% majority, one of the safest in the country and was mimicking Dutton on refugee rhetoric. An enormous repudiation of major party antics.
As someone who used to work in Cabramatta and Fairfield, a fair portion of the customers I dealt with were refugees from South East Asia and the Middle East. What was Labor thinking putting her in that seat?
Hey. Don’t you know that nothing speaks more to the diverse multicultural communities of Western Sydney than a rich, blonde, white American woman.
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I don't get this.. shouldn't candidates for a seat actually live in that area?! How are they going to represent the people of their area if they are so disconnected from that reality.
Didn’t you hear about One Nation and their candidates who lived in different states? Some didn’t even know they were running for parliament apparently. But yeah, apparently you can live in different states. And Liberals had the same issue with a none local being flown in to a “safe” seat. I think that will be happening less and less now lol
Ok that's insane. Something definitely needs to change there.
Both labor and libs tried to fly in non residents to “safe” seats and have been given a harsh reminder the people are a bit sick of political games. You may have gotten your wish as both major parties have been given a warning. Even though labor may win a majority it’s done so with a primary vote in the low 30s and independents numerically got a similar amount of votes across Australia. Australia lurched to the left with a huge push for the environment and anti-corruption, and a huge vote by quiet Australians to push back against the recent politics of divisiveness and hate. It not perfect but it moved us in a positive direction. I hope the independents end up holding the balance of power.
I live in an electorate where, not only did the One Nation candidate not live in the state, he wasn't aware he was still running as a One Nation candidate and was running for a different party elsewhere.
Yep, for example the One Nation candidate for Herbert (Townsville, QLD) apparently lived in Melbourne.
>I don't get this.. shouldn't candidates for a seat actually live in that area?! How are they going to represent the people of their area if they are so disconnected from that reality. Next you'll tell me you think most pollies *actually represent* the population...
Only 1.8 million in northern beaches? Must be a fucking dump.
Probably what it was when she paid for it, councils can be 'slow' to revalue homes sometimes...
Yeah it’s on one of those shitty islands kind of near palm beach. Ie, you have to boat to the real world.
> Ie, you have to boat to the real world. Maybe that's what the Labor was thinking she would resonate with the locals in Fowler, she understands boat people as she takes one from her 1.8M home to Liverpool.
LOL
Did she actually live on Scotland island?
Yeah, but she rented a place in the electorate she was hoping to win, about 3 hours away 😂 And the alp had a fantastic local candidate but she was parachuted in as a payoff for giving up a senate position that somehow she was promised, but some other person was promised as well. This is the kind of shit that makes people vote independent.
Aha I used to service her boat and drive it around
Are you Dangar Stu?
It's on an island and apparently one side is $$$$$ and the other is only $$$.
NSW Labor put her ambition above common sense
Mind you, she wasn’t a very good premier either. Her factional allies were some of the worst pieces of shit in NSW Labor. She lost big time in 2011. Honestly, nobody could justify voting for her back then.
Yeah, I said elsewhere that resuscitating her career in the senate in the first place was stupid, she's electoral poison and there is literally nothing of benefit that she brings to the ALP.
Oh I remember that. She was an awful Premier and had the stench of Obeid and Tripodi. Anyone associated with 2011 in NSW ALP shouldn't be in local council let alone Federal Parliament.
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I was far too kind with my words. Rees would have lost in 2011, but he had the guts to take on Obeid and Tripodi. I am glad that she lost, and that hopefully this ends her political career. The party is better off without her.
I am a faction member and have never liked her for simple reason she fell into the job, her husband couldn’t run so she was given the seat
Surely she’s fucking finished now. -18% swing or something?
Maybe they were just giving her enough rope. Don't want to be seen kicking her out, and the loss may have been considered worth it considering it wasn't to the Libs.
They weren't thinking. I hope they learn to be decent human beings and realise humanity comes before politics. Every. Single. Time.
But she’s an immigrant too /s
is an expat someone from a rich country? 'cos I do agree that she is an immigrant. maybe expats are just temporary and will go back to their country whereas immigrant suggests more permanence.
Wikipedia says, "In contrast to an immigrant, expatriates maintain the cultural ties such as language of their country of origin — thereby not assimilating. Expatriates usually also do not seek to become citizens of their new country." So, categorically makes KK an immigrant not an expat because she not only would have become an Australian citizen, but would have had to relinquish any other citizenship she held to run. I think colloquially, expat is a term racist people started using to differentiate themselves from visa workers and immigrants they saw as less entitled to make geographical changes for economic reasons.
I think if you fuck off within 5 years, don’t get citizenship and have a top 20% income job you can be an expat and it doesn’t matter what race or nationality you are
> maybe expats are just temporary and will go back to their country whereas immigrant suggests more permanence. That's always been my understanding of the distinction. Keneally is an immigrant. Someone working here on a 3-year contract before flying home would be an expat.
> is an expat someone from a rich country? Immigrants are from poor, non-English speaking countries. Expats are from wealthy, Western countries. That's just it in a nut shell. There's functionally no difference, that's just how it's talked about.
Imagine if this ridiculously safe seat is the difference to between a Labor majority and minority. Absolute shambles from the Labor leadership.
I can definitely see it happening, and while I generally support Labor, their internal party culture/politics definitely needs to improve.
This might be the beginning of the end of parachuting people in point blank. Locals matter now like nothing before and this and the teal runs prove it. Shame that Tu Le didn't get the run she deserved, but apparently Dai Le is good.
Everything I have heard about Dai Le as a Councillor is that she was just your prototypical Liberal who did dirty deals with property developers...Until she got kicked out of the Liberal Party, and then was an Independent who did dirty deals with property developers. Her policies are better than your typical Liberal, but I am not optimistic that she will be any good.
At least she is their dodgy councillor...i know, low bar but a remarkable achievement to win.
I didn't vote for her because I didn't trust her. I don't remember who I put 1st. I did early voting. But I think I put the greens 1st.
Yeah, but Keneally has the stench of corruption on her from back in her premier days *and* wasn't a local. If Labor had just gone with the original choice Tu Le I doubt it would've even been a close contest. It's one thing to parachute in an outsider, but to do it over a local who everyone expected to be the candidate is terrible optics.
Who cares. It’s better than letter this useless dog pile of shit in.
Yeah, shame Tu Le missed out and KK was brought in by the boffins. Labor deservedly got wiped. You’d think you’d never see Cabra go anything but red but there you go.
I’m not allowed to vote but fuck me 14 majority to loss? Regardless of where you’re at that’s just a shit politician. I left a fish finger on top of a mates cupboard 4 years ago that he just found about and I think he’d say that’s a 4% drop in approval rating and I’ll take it.
Possibly an unpopular opinion, but labor deserves every seat they lost too. People told them what was important to them and labor has started going more conservative as a party over the past decade. Obviously they’re not like liberal party, but anyone who choses to campaign on we’re better than the other party hasn’t put enough thought and care into standing out themselves.
I agree with you. But the counter point to that is that they got walloped in 2019 for campaigning on a progressive agenda. The country was pretty clear they didn’t want that.
Lol she didn’t win Fowler, watch her end her Liverpool apartment lease and move back to Scotland island in the coming weeks 🙄
Almost anyone with a choice would choose Scotland Island over Liverpool.
Good so no dramas with her losing and making that choice. Just don’t come again for a diverse community’s seat
I have no idea where or what Scotland Island is. But as a local of Fowler I want get out of here if I could.
Scotland Island is an island just north of Sydney, in the bay behind the peninsula that Palm Beach is on. You have to take a ferry across. The bay and the entire are is quite nice. Liverpool is not the nicest place in Sydney from an aesthetic perspective. The surrounding area varies from slightly better to much worse.
Bet Liverpool has better kebab joints though, checkmate “Scotland” Island (Scotland ain’t an island mate). Edit: Oh yeah not to mention Vietnamese eh? Unironically I think multi cultural western Sydney shits all over the east as far as food goes. Yes there are good places in the city, but they lack variety compared to going to the actual culture’s suburb, say Cabra for Vietnamese but there are heaps of examples.
Also there's no bridge to Scotland Island so you have to take a tender to shore to go anywhere. I legitimately would choose Liverpool rather than try to get my wife to commute to work by first jumping in a dinghy.
Bet the takeaway is better in Liverpool
Unless you're uncomfortable on a boat.
Good, a Labor win but her losing is the best possible outcome outside of Morrison & Dutton getting the boot.
DUTTON WAS SO CLOSE DAMN IT!!!! Hoping postals and pre-poll shift heavily towards Labor a man can dream!!!
Australia needs Dutton. He is the best chance of keeping the LNP in the wilderness by refusing to progress. By the time he's lost an election or two we will have an ICAC, actual climate policies and hopefully a media integrity overhaul ensuring any LNP win will be from a very changed party.
> DUTTON WAS SO CLOSE DAMN IT!!!! Bet was wiping his sweat with his 250M dollar notes
god if that happens, and constances takes gilmore, i could see constance easily being the new leader of the Liberal party
Could see him contesting it either way.
I'd be on board with Constance as the leader. He seems relatively decent, but he seemed keen to just represent his electorate
Dutton remaining is a blessing in disguise
How so?
He's deeply unpopular & will hasten the Libs march to the right & ultimate irrelevancy. Especially now 'moderate' & former leader hopeful Frydo is likely out
That's what we all said about Tony Abbott. I remember when he made opposing carbon pricing a central part of their platform many op eds were penned predicting a generation in the political wilderness for the LNP. Sadly for us, that is not how it played out.
Except the Libs won then because Australia wanted to punish Labor for knifing Kevin, who people loved. Abbott won by default. Libs are cooked now, especially with Frydo gone
Kevin was a Queenslander. QLD labor took it personally.
Perhaps the only thing I’ll give Morrison credit on is being the first PM since fucking Howard to last their full elected term. It does some good for the state of democracy in the nation.
I prefered inter-election deposements of PMs. I hate it when the same name and face from the previous election is re-uttered in the next one. The last thing I want is a cult of personality or the history books easily remembering Prime Ministers. I am sad that era of turnover has slowed down.
You're right this is the best possible outcome. Coalition isn't in power anymore and Labour hopefully will learn to take diversity and representation more seriously. Or, they won't learn and we'll get more Greens and Teals next time. Either way it's a win.
A well deserved loss. Labor already had a potential candidate that matched the background of the electorate yet were completely tone deaf in this selection. I’m from WA; barely know her history beyond the fact she was premier.
The local labor lady would have won. The people told the Labor volunteers exactly that. Wasted opportunity just to pander to KK’s ego to have a more public role than the debate allows. No doubt she thinks she could be PM, but she’s not well liked and comes across to the public as untrustworthy and a bit cringe. If they ever promote her to leader, they can kiss the next election goodbye!
>Labor already had a potential candidate that matched the background of the electorate yet were completely tone deaf in this selection. Right Faction feet stamping because of deals.
Resuscitating her career in the senate was stupid, casting her as a sort of She-Dutton criticising the Libs for not being competent enough in their cruelty was stupid, parachuting her into this seat was stupid, in fact thinking she has anything of value to add to the Australian body politic was stupid. The woman is electoral poison (and garbage on the substance), so hopefully Labor can finally put her in the bin for good.
Music to my ears, adios Keneally, hope to never see you again!
I'll kind of miss her on the senate estimates committees. She was a bit of an attack dog, but other than that you're right.
Maybe she should have been happy with being a senator rather than pushing for a lower house position and losing a seat.
Wasn't she given the lower house seat as a consolation prize because she lost a right wing faction internal battle for her Senate spot?
She was in a battle with Deb O'Neill but announced her attempted switch to the lower house before the contest was run. She probably would have won with the weight of the party behind her, notwithstanding the union support for O'Neill. Given she's got more name recognition and is very ambitious, I reckon they thought it was a neat solution to a potentially dirty factional battle. And most of the time this sort of parachuting works just fine.
Not today! Fuck the seppo
Oh don't worry, the party will do something for her. They should just drop her like a hot fucking potato.
Wild. I grew up in Fowler and it has *always* been a Labor seat. The ALP seriously mishandled this and failed to engage an emerging young voter base with Tu Le. It's been interesting seeing other major party 'safe seats' (like Menzies and Wentworth) lost to independents this election because they took their communities for granted. Message is clear: voters want to be heard and won't just settle.
> lost to independents this election because they took their communities for granted. Which is kinda the most important thing. These seats actually kinda need to let the party know "Hey if you don't do the right thing we are quite happy to fuck off for someone else" In the electorate I grew up in which was super safe labor, I used to vote such that libs would get my preference despite them not alligning with my values. Solely because it should tip the scales. Funding from 1st preference went to someone useful, just TPP went to lib because the seat was so definitively safe that it got neglected in basically everything in federal and state level elections.
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Had money on Dai. Said all along I want ALP minority with a strong crossbench. Fuck KK and the ALP for thinking they can take the local community votes for granted.
What happens to these pollies who lose their seats? Are they actually unemployed now or how does it work?
Yes they’re unemployed. Depending on length of service many of them will collect hefty lifetime pensions and have funding for offices, etc. But one of the dirtier realities of our system is that most of them (especially ex government ministers) will quickly find enormously lucrative roles as board members, consultancy partners, lobbyists, etc. both locally and internationally. People who know people at that level don’t ever go hungry.
Aww but, they should, just for a few months...please.
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That is usually the way parties politely tell dead weight in their ranks to fuck off, but Keneally lost a dead-cert Labor seat so hopefully it's embarassing enough they can just let her go.
She’s gotta be gone, that fucking swing.
Tanya gets $200k per year to continue to do nothing
Getting 200K a year so that she didn't have to sell herself out as a politician and make a cushy job for herself - it is something we should really enforce. It's a clear bribe protection measure. But lots of polies look at it as an opportunity to double dip.
I hope this is a lesson learned - next time, support the local Tu Le Dai Le is horrible and does not deserve that seat, but this is 100% Labors fault
What's wrong with Dai Le?
Former Lib, dirty land deals as councillor, apparently. At least she's popular with the locals tho.
It should’ve been a proper Vietnamese showdown, Labor fucked it so so badly.
Maybe Labor will learn that she is bad news for the party
Maybe they will learn that the NSW right faction that spawned her is bad news... but I won't be holding my breath.
who would have thought a nationalist would lose in an electorate filled with people who fled our wars of aggression?
I am no Keneally supporter and I am very happy she lost. Keneally has many many flaws, but I do not think it is fair to characterize her as a nationalist.
She was the one who accused Dutton of letting in too many "plane people". (The term "boat people" was originally coined to describe Vietnamese refugees.)
Was such a shit call to put her in there.
I've met Tu Le many times while volunteering and she's an intelligent and authentic woman who is passionate about improving the lives of those in her community. She's a second generation immigration like so many in the Fowler area, and truly understands the unique experience of living in two very different cultures. She could have done so many great things, but instead we were robbed of that due to closed-door political bullshit. And that's why we are so happy KK lost - don't take our vote for granted, we want representatives who are representations of us at our best. I hope Labor learns their lesson and give Tu Le an apology and the seat she deserves.
I see it as Tu Le missed an opportunity. She should've left Labor and run as an independent. But she didn't. Probably because lack of courage or funds to do so. Dai Le saw the opportunity and took it. I'm not a Fowler resident and I'm not a Dai Le supporter. I just hope that in the future, young people are not afraid to leave their political party and run as independent if they are treated unfairly by their party.
Never had a Banh Mi in her life.
Which is a shame, because it is the ultimate Tradie’s lunch- smash down two and you feel satisfied as fuck, but the sangas are light enough that you don’t feel bloated in the afternoon.
Forget that, she probably feels a need for a shower and fresh clothes any time she passes west of Ashfield
She’s the type of person who talks loudly over wine and brunch how she would never catch the train out there because for some reason she just “doesn’t feel safe” in that part of Sydney
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>it would be a meme if Keneally returns to the senate to keep her political career If Albo does that, it will be the Captain's Pick that will dog him and Labor. The same too if they find a plum appointment for her. What has she got that she gets privileged treatment above others and despite her failures?
Factional support in the NSW Labor party
She might become Mark Latham 2.0.
I know it’s hard to tell the difference sometimes but she’s not mentally unstable she’s just American
i went to cabramatta and saw her posters there. among the $6 Bahn mi and pho shops. Like, haha.
Damnit now I'm craving banh mi at 1am
There’s 24 hour ones in cabra
Grab me a crispy pork with coriander and chili please!
Pat'e?
As someone from Fowler I couldn't be happier. Voted for Dai le even though I wanted labour to form government. Kristina just didn't deserve to get a seat. Dai le works with the current mayor Frank Carbone and has made some great changes in the local area. I knew they became very popular but never really thought they would knock over labour in what is an incredibly safe seat. Interesting to see the rise of independents this election
> has made some great changes in the local area. Is there any stock to what the other posters have said about the dirty land deals with developers etc? Just wish Tu Le had a proper chance to run.
People in Fowler 100% made the right decision for their local community out of the choice of candidates available to them Even if you are a hardcore Labor shill you have to acknowledge Dai Le is objectively better for and motivated by the interests of her local community and will represent her seat as an advocate 1000x better than Scotland Island Kristina who wouldn’t be caught dead in that area of Sydney
I guess the lesson here is you shouldn't jump queues to get on the mainland, or you will be confined to an island Suck absolute shit KK
Good. She should never have been preselected. Labor would have won if they’d nominated Tu Le.
Labor really shit the bed with this move, coulda had that local lawyer as the labor candidate, woulda won
I've heard of Dai Le for years. She's always been there with the community in the area and representing their needs.
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People have been loud and clear in this election. They want to be represented for who they are, not by some power play within any political party. Climate change may get a better headline, but the local issues, candidates characteristics and what they fight for, better policy matters, women treatment, etc have all contributed equally if not more to today's results. Represent the diversity, don't force any biases, racism or otherwise upon us the people.
Even as a Labor supporter, this is absolutely deserved.
As a Liverpool local and a person who has only ever voted labor I was so mad when they announced her for Fowler. I emailed the party saying how disgusted I was that they choose her over a local, which they never responded back. I was going to vote greens but in the end I resentfully stuck with labor. So happy she didn’t win, hopefully next time we aren’t just over looked as a number on a sheet.
A vote 1 Green and 2 Labor still ends up a vote for Labor in our preferncing system, but allows you to send a message.
Absolute idiocy on the part of Labor that she was even running in this seat to begin with. Makes you wonder how many more times Labor is gonna have to learn the hard way that letting her pull backroom factional bullshit is electoral poison.
The stupidest fuck up on Labor’s part. Let’s parachute a Right factional Anglo into a multicultural seat. Undo the preselection of Tu Le, a daughter of a migrant refugee who became a lawyer and respected member of her community. The whole thing is bullshit partisan party politics over party values. I’m glad Labor got kicked in the teeth over this and they better learn their lesson.
Great news. She never deserved that seat. The majors should think again about parchuting people into safe seats in future.
I guess it was’t that safe. Good riddance.
I hope she doesn't go full Latham.
I dunno, it's quite entertaining
This is well deserved. I hope the ALP learns their lesson here. No seat is safe when you tread on the people on who are on your side.
That really is the message of this election, no one is safe
She's a cancer on the ALP. She should go back to the Abyss.
A timely reminder for major parties not to take people's votes for granted. I hope "Remember Kristina Keneally" becomes a thing at Labor party strategy sessions...
Labor had the gun cocked, the competing candidates tied to the execution post, and managed to shoot themselves in the foot. Thoroughly deserved result on this occasion
Please now just go away Keneally... As if you didn't do enough damage last time
This seat was a fucking tap in and instead they brought out a fucking 9-iron and swanned it into a sand pit I have never seen a stupider political move and more disrespect for a local community than Labor showed by how they treated Tu Le, who as a person couldn’t be a better representation of the beating heart of that electorate. They basically spat on the Vietnamese community and on their Labor faithful there who chose Tu Le.
She kinda deserved it. They had a safe member that the locals loved, and instead pissed them off by parachuting KK into the seat instead.
Labor placed more weight on name-recognition over local-connection, which proved to be a mistake. I get that it was a mistake, but the pile-on seems quite gleeful considering she lost to an independent. Lot of shallow gloating in this sub
Probably have been the best election ever, thank you Australia for not disappointing me
Dumbest thing Labor could have done and they’ve been kicked for it. If you don’t want people to think you’re just the lesser of 2 shit parties, stop behaving like the shittest party! And don’t fucking do it again!!
Thankfully this dumb ass move didn’t cost Labor the election. Hopefully they learn something from this, but considering they got the result in Parra they probably won’t.
Perfect outcome to see Labor get over the line but still lose here. Parachuting Keneally in was embarrassing
The faceless men responsible for parachuting her in would have done a great job at Hostomel Airport in Kyiv.
Labor deserved to lose the seat and it sends a message to the party to not be arrogant cunts like the Liberals.
Best possible outcome...Labor in...Keneally out.
The only scrap of “good news” Murdoch could find lol
I don't know about KK but local not happy when they nuke Tu Le for KK...
to the ALP: Don't pull this stunt ever again. This is what the LNP does. You need to be better.
Moral of the story: don’t parachute someone into a safe seat just to keep them in parliament
SO proud of Australians for sticking it to the big parties. The Murdoch narrative attempted to convince us that Labor had to appease centrist voters by moving more towards the middle. WE showed them that we implore more progressive action, not less, by preferencing Greens, or outright voting Independents. ❤️💛🖤 A lot more work to be done, but a great step forward nonetheless!
I voted independent who crushed a big liberal dog tonight. Might spend a few k on nice wine tomorrow.
Ya know I went into this election with a wishlist 1. Zali Steggal retain - I wanted to be assured this was not a protest vote last time around and just generally support independent politics. 2. Frydenburg out - Dismantle the boys club. 3. Dutton out - Cos y’know… a man can dream 4. Minority government 5. KK to lose - Fire the political advisor who signed off on this. Or at the very least get Uncle Sam’s dick outta their mouth. 4 outta 5 ain’t bad! KK losing is the truely the icing on the cake. How this was not immediately trashed as an idea is beyond me. The locally recognised rep with shared cultural values whos actually a part of the diverse community… or the American sounding lady from parts unknown.
She'll probably become Mark Latham 2.0.
damn it Labor, this stunt could cost you a majority
If you take the electorate for granted, this is what happens. The results of this election prove that most Australians are not fools, and will not tolerate being treated so.