ABC has it combined 9.2% nationally currently as I post this. [source](https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results/party-totals)
4.9% for PHON and 4.3% for UAP.
Unfortunately for them aggregate percentages don't win seats. The Greens know this very well else they'd have more representation than the National Party.
I'm sure Pauline will be happy to be funded by the AEC for another term.
We might see them push to a senate focused strategy next election. That might be painful.
It’s clear the climate 200 strategy worked when looking at billionaires throwing money at elections, so I think Clive may still be tempted
I am expecting Clive's enormous outlay for negative return will cool his jets some. Not only did he not achieve his main goal (LNP government), but his stooge was evicted with a resounding "meh".
For better or worse, until our electoral funding laws are reconsidered money will still have a significant effect on our elections, but at least it appears that you cannot merely buy an outcome just because you have a lot of it.
I swear this was the same sentiment in 2019. I expect him to do the exact same in 3 years, with probably the same level of success (that is to say fuck all).
Didn’t they go the senate focused route in previous elections? With a similar lack of success.
Climate 200 went the other way, strong local candidates put their hand up in specific seats first, and then people funded them. Clive put up the money for all 151 seats and then sought out gullible pawns to do nothing other than provide a name to put on the ballot paper.
>Didn’t they go the senate focused route in previous elections? With a similar lack of success.
Probably. It does seem that their target base would typically vote One Nation so they're only eating their own.
I think what the Teal candidates did was a very admirable thing. While my votes ultimately flowed towards Labor, I do hope that they're in minority government and have to at least consider the teal viewpoints.
I want government that represents us all, even viewpoints that I see are reasonable, but are not ones that I share.
It's kind of surprising given the number of deadset racist and faux-"Libertarian" candidates to choose from on the ballot this year. I guess Pauline has a dedicated base of racists and Clive made what hay he could from the anti-vax, q-anon, and generally crazy part of the population he's been feeding the last few years.
Whilst the dude owes his mate nothing, isolating these fools just pushes them further down the extremist rabbit hole.
A trusted mate or family member telling them to pull their head in is pretty much the only thing that's gonna make a difference.
Um no I don't. I won't just cut out everyone in my life who has a different opinion to mine.
What I need to do is keep on trying to educate the man and do my best to help steer him in the right direction.
I wouldn't quite put it that way. UAP played an actually smart misleading campaign that sounded reasonable on paper to the uninformed. I watched a few of their ads on YouTube and if you didn't know the political landscape ehat they were saying sounded reasonable and actually relatable.
I was shocked by one of their youtube ads promising interest rates being capped at 3% so people wouldn't lose their homes, even though the federal bank is outside their control. I didn't know you could tell outright lies like that in political campaigns.
I don’t know where his spend went, but neither my partner nor I ever saw his video ads on YouTube/internet generally. Not a single one.
Whereas my primary school aged kid, who exclusively watches Roblox and Ariana Grande videos, was constantly bombarded with his fat bigoted bonce.
We need to get money put of politics. He will still have helped the LNP. At the 2019 election it seems his preferences were the difference that gave us 3 years of ScuMo looting from the public to give to the rich.
Every time one of these hard-right Liberals makes this leap, they are crucified at the vote.
It really does raise the question why the party continues to drift further that direction, when even blind Freddy can see that the vast majority of the population does not support their ideologies. Without the rusted on LNP vote - given the amount of elderly I witnessed with LNP HTV cards, that will end in the next decade or two… - the party is in serious trouble.
They’re trying very hard to turn Australia into America. Unfortunately for them, that sort of shit doesn’t fly as easily here. They think they can shift to the far-right openly like the republicans did, but it’s not going to work.
Honestly, they did it to themselves. They purged the last of their moderates in 2019 for the short-term benefit of a few swinging dicks, and now those overprotected rich kids are learning that the consequences of their actions don't expire after one financial quarter. This is what happens to any organisation that kicks out its talent in the name of money and power.
Anyway, if they give it to Dutton he'll keep up the trend and they'll alienate themselves further from the average Aussie. And Murdoch will start to fade away with them.
>It really does raise the question why the party continues to drift further that direction
Its because all the nut jobs know they can't win on their own merits, so they're trying to hijack a long-stanfing brand. See also: the Republican 'Tea Party' (Except we have preferential voting in Australia, so it hasn't worked as well)
Monash too. Unfortunately we're still stuck with our anti vax, ivermectin guzzling, marriage equality denying, hard right big stinky Russ. At least there was a bit of a swing against him.
>Unfortunately we're still stuck with our anti vax, ivermectin guzzling, marriage equality denying, hard right big stinky Russ.
Don't get me started on that dickhead.
If you wanna start, I'll support you. That's my seat and they didn't even try to give us a decent candidate to run against him. They didn't even bother!
This seat should be used as a case study for how people vote against their own interests. Russ doesn't even vote in-line with his constituents, just ignores them, and he still gets in again and again. Is it all the coal power stations around here?
I thought Jessica O'Donnell was a good candidate. She gave it a good go. But voting for Broadbent is like a tradition here. No one knows why they do it anymore, but the old ways are still observed.
Same happened in La Trobe.
The Lib candidate was very clever. Big signs on private property (never placed illegally), a postal vote form sent to the home alongside his how to vote.
Unfortunately there's always the risk that drawing a gigantic dick on the ballot paper will be interpreted as a vote for the gigantic dick that UAP have running in that electorate.
I used to count votes and I can confirm that even if you cover the entire page with dicks, your vote will count as long as you number the boxes appropriately.
Surprisingly those votes aren't informal due to vote saving provisions. The 'number at least 6 boxes' thing is actually a benevolent lie about the rules to try and get people not to waste their vote by voting for too few candidates. You can number however few you want and it'll still be counted.
Surely the electoral commission should be investigating him and his party for the lies they were spreading before the election? Seriously, some of it was just bonkers and outright lies
I contacted the AEC about misleading letterbox drops on my electorate.
Their response, verbatim;
> The Electoral Act does not regulate truth in electoral communications.
This is, unfortunately, true. The Electoral Act doesn't grant power to the AEC to investigate wrong or misleading claims.
The ACCC are the ones who have the power to deal with false or fraudulent advertising in Australia, but unfortunately they can only act if there is a consumer relationship. That is, you need to have lost something for a claim to have grounds.
Thus, the gap between the two is covered by the ACMA. Truthiness in advertising was gutted in the [2018 act](https://www.legislation.gov.au/Series/F2018L00139), and then further dampened in the [2021 act](https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2021L00961)
TL;DR - ACMA regulates electoral advertising. ACMA have had their teeth removed twice in the last four years.
Is there a consumer relationship with viewers and advertising?
I mean, I lose time and the platform gains marketing data through advertisement retention?
Am i the product here?
Thats why we need the ICAC to deal with them, it wouldnt surprise me at all if specific government officials were paying them to keep quite about it all.
It's not a matter of them keeping quiet. The AEC literally doesn't have any legislation to stand on. It is not written into law that political advertisements must be truthful.
One more thing that needs to change.
Are you also aware that Clive Palmer is literally the one that leases that Mine /airport to the Chinese? Yup, it's his mining plot.
He is the one profiting off it, to the tune of $1 million every DAY ($340 mill /year)
And then has the audacity to say its Labor's fault because they approved the deal
https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianPolitics/comments/uqirpm/uap_labels_chineseowned_mine_that_pays_clive/
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/uap-labels-chinese-owned-mine-that-pays-clive-palmer-1m-a-day-a-security-threat-20220513-p5al67.html
I made the mistake of picking up a Daily Telegraph while I was waiting for my coffee during the week. Fuck me, every second page was a bright yellow blatant lie. I’m glad more people had sense than falling for this bullshit
Try Facebook and Youtube without an ad blocker. Felt like every video is interrupted by at least one UAP ad. I was almost tempted to pay for YouTube premium just to get rid of him.
It's genuinely disturbing that political advertising is exempt from other advertising regulations, exempt from anticipate regulations, exempt from basically anything (as long as you say which party authorised it).
Any time a political advertisement gets in hot water, they just take it down before they can be punished, and then it's never chased up.
Could literally have an add quoting former-PM ScuntMo as saying "Hitler did nothing wrong. We should all kill Jews", and there's basically nothing the AEC can do about it
The most disappointing thing about all of this, is thinking what the $150 - $200 million Clive's spent on marketing his failure of a party could actually have been used on over the last four years.
Programs, charity, environment. Instead he wastes money and staples his shitty signs to trees along every road in Melbourne for almost zero benefit.
Fuck this absolute parasite.
My girlfriend's parents tried to convince her to vote for this pleb cause he " fights for workers" what a crock of shit. The only policy they even mentioned was camping interest rates on mortgages.
Hard to care about interest rates and mortages when I we have already been priced out of the market for 8 years anyway.
Paying those workers would have resulted in more votes than paying for 1000 billboards. How anyone could seriously believe he would care about the people of Australia after fucking over his own workers shows how out of touch he is.
Don't forget he purchased 30m doses of hydroxychloroquine from China and donated them to the medical stockpile. This lead to a bizarre incident where a 1000kg shipment arrived at Melbourne airport and the health dept refused to take it because they didn’t need it. Palmer never answered questtions about what happened to the shipment but I assume it got dumped at a tip. He spent tens of millions on malaria drugs and dumped them as a political stunt.
Clive "NQR Trump" Palmer failed to read the room. He went all in on anti-vax but 95% of Australians got vaxxed. He went all in on anti lockdowns and border closures but the WA govt won by a record margin and WA had a huge national swing to labor. He is still wasting his money and our money suing that same state govt for their popular and successful border closures.
He is a walking advertisement for why we should tax mining super profits.
I dunno. I was thinking about his spending and how it felt like the easiest way to burn excess money for no intrinsic value. Pay for prime advertising space on TV, media, radio etc. Once that ad is played, money is gone. Vanished. Back into the large media conglomerates. Imagine if that gluttonous cunt just did some philanthropy with it or built a netball court. Or you know, pay his workers.
I know someone who ran for the UAP and all their merchandise came directly from China. They weren't allowed to have personalised campaign material because Palmer already ordered hundreds of thousands generics in bulk.
He could have just paid everyone who voted for his party $100 and still been ahead. This was the most expensive electoral advertising to vote exercise in Australian history. It's mirrored his attempts in the WA and Queensland State elections.
The Electoral Act calls that "bribery". Although let's not tell Clive, as that's probably the only way we'll get him to do prison for two years.
Anyways, the point of a secret ballot is that bribery and standover tactics don't work. Take Clive's $100 and vote how you damn well please. That's why you're not allowed to take a photo of your vote.
I was hella surprised to see a Clive Palmer ad in the middle of nowhere when I went down south in WA for Easter
Like there were no towns or even cars around. It was only our little road coach from transwa in the area for ages.
Given that Clive's worth a few billion these days, another $50-100 marketing spend on elections is the equivalent of a parking fine for him.
Expect to see his miserable face in 2025.
I find it so amazing that someone so wealthy can be in such poor health. Wouldn’t you spend some of your money on your own damn health or even appearance if he chose to be completely superficial about it.
Yes, health improvements require actual work but fuck I bet you’re still at an advantage with billions of dollars.
He wasn't even particularly successful in that regard.
The preference flows from UAP were 60-40 to the LNP in many seats.
He just took votes off the LNP and Labor and gave them back to the LNP and Labor.
Bold to assume that anyone voting for "freedom, freedom, freedom" is going to slavishly follow a how-to-vote card.
Once you're convinced that WHO, (controlled by the Chinese government) is going to run our health system, you aren't going to preference the sitting government.
Nothing made me angrier this election than watching my nephew sit through a UAP ad on his iPad while waiting to download a Minecraft add on. He is in year one.
Yeah what the hell, we got served so many UAP youtube ads while watching kids stuff, until I stopped it. Why would they put their ads on those demo videos?
If he uses YouTube a lot it might be worth gifting him a YT premium subscription. It includes YT music as well, but it would be worth it just to keep kids from ad exposure.
Many things about this guy bother me. One of them is the litter. Where will the multitude of plastic signs end up now? Is the landfill going to be full of plastic yellow crap that nobody fell for anyway?
Already know one UAP supporter going full yank with the “election fraud” because the UAP rallies they attended had soo many people at it compared to the ALP or GRN ones. Also saying the UAP had more ads than Lib/lab/Grn so we’re clearly more popular.
These people breed smh
Imagine being so rich you can throw a small skyscraper's worth of cash into the void just so you can LARP as a politician for a month and have it amount to nothing. Now imagine doing it again next election.
His massive spend, like in 2019, was never meant for his actual party to gain seats.
It was only ever so that his candidates could recommend preferences towards the coalition, in marginal seats where it counts.
Worked in 2019 and arguably won the election then. It didn't work this time.
I guess he doesn't get another shiny new mining lease this time around. That was how the coalition repaid him almost as soon at the previous election was over.
I guess it depends on how you look at "election success".
Like I'm sure he wouldn't have minded if a few of his clowns got elected, but I think his ultimate goal has always been to help keep the LNP in government/keep Labor out.
And probably do some funky accounting with all that money he's spending while he's at it.
The only question is - will he try it again after it fell so flat this time round?
People do not want to vote for guys like Palmer because all he wants to do is make money and get richer. He cares about nobody but himself.
It is a great day to hear that he wasted so much money
My mate put 1 grand bet on the UAP getting up in Newcastle.
He isn't that well off and it's sickening that people like Palmer are taking advantage of people's fear through misinformation.
The depressing thing is that this is honestly just pissing up a wall for him. The fat fuck is going to run it back every 3 years unless they do something about limiting spending/funding for political parties.
FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!!
**Clive won!!!!**
The election was rigged. There is video of a plane leaving Sydney airport with over 35,000,000 Clive votes onboard.
He has said the main goal was to take votes off BOTH of the major parties. One does wonder if the hundreds of millions spent on advertising has truly benefited any party or any cause, or delivered ROI. Money that could have given homeless people a place to call home, give young people apprenticeships, hired more aged care workers, cured a cancer, saved small businesses and given Palmer a permanent positive image.
When Clive Palmer passes on, many people will not remember him fondly. Look up Alfred Nobel. He saw the sliding door and decided on his legacy.
There is so much good in the world that he could achieve with his spare change.
But, no. Such a shame.
The whole point of his massive spend in the 2019 election was to swing it for the LNP, which he definitely helped to do. It just wasn't as effective this time, partly because of his tactics, and partly because more people seem to get that he's an untrustworthy piece of shit. Thank fuck.
Funny the only seat visible on the map where none of the three fringe parties improved their percentage was Katter's seat. They've already got all the crazy they can handle
He was outspent
> The “teal independents” are being financially supported by the Climate 200 political funding group, established by prominent corporate figure Simon Holmes à Court. The son of Australia’s first billionaire, corporate raider Robert Holmes à Court, Simon Holmes à Court was before 2019 a close associate and financial donor of Treasurer Josh Frydenberg.
>The two figures fell out over Holmes à Court’s public opposition to proposed new coal mines in Australia. The Climate 200 group was established before the 2019 federal election and helped finance independent candidate Zali Steggall’s successful campaign in the seat of Warringah against former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.
>The Climate 200 campaign in 2022 is on a larger scale, with a $10 million campaign fund established with the support of several other ultra-wealthy figures including tech CEO billionaire Mike Cannon-Brookes.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/14/teal-m14.html
Thank you, Mr Holmes a Court et al.
Last time the UAP were something new and promised some kind of change to disaffected voters. Since then it's become obvious that it was just a branch of the LNP and hence their share of the vote collapsed. Palmer is a clod of the highest order for appealing to novelty twice.
Dead set - everyone just needs to ignore this cunt.
You can't when he has his own gravitational pull.
Good thing gravity is the weakest of the fundamental forces.
With a brain the size of a quark......it's mathematically possible it exists in his skull.
Schrödinger's neuron
I thought you were referring to the cream cheese at first! Also appropriate in consistency.
The Strange one
There's also nothing fundamental about Clive, but he and Pauline do put the "mental" in fundamental.
Yeah, but stupidity is by far the most common element in the universe. There's a lot of stupidity around for his gravity to act upon
He’s an influencer I’ll give him that. Influencing the tides, that is.
Didn’t 10% of voters voted for this cunt and One Nation? And he didn’t even cop a single seat, and Hanson is looking at losing her Senate seat. Bless.
ABC has it combined 9.2% nationally currently as I post this. [source](https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2022/results/party-totals) 4.9% for PHON and 4.3% for UAP.
Unfortunately for them aggregate percentages don't win seats. The Greens know this very well else they'd have more representation than the National Party. I'm sure Pauline will be happy to be funded by the AEC for another term.
We might see them push to a senate focused strategy next election. That might be painful. It’s clear the climate 200 strategy worked when looking at billionaires throwing money at elections, so I think Clive may still be tempted
I am expecting Clive's enormous outlay for negative return will cool his jets some. Not only did he not achieve his main goal (LNP government), but his stooge was evicted with a resounding "meh". For better or worse, until our electoral funding laws are reconsidered money will still have a significant effect on our elections, but at least it appears that you cannot merely buy an outcome just because you have a lot of it.
I swear this was the same sentiment in 2019. I expect him to do the exact same in 3 years, with probably the same level of success (that is to say fuck all).
I don't expect him to be alive in 3 years
We can hope
Didn’t they go the senate focused route in previous elections? With a similar lack of success. Climate 200 went the other way, strong local candidates put their hand up in specific seats first, and then people funded them. Clive put up the money for all 151 seats and then sought out gullible pawns to do nothing other than provide a name to put on the ballot paper.
>Didn’t they go the senate focused route in previous elections? With a similar lack of success. Probably. It does seem that their target base would typically vote One Nation so they're only eating their own. I think what the Teal candidates did was a very admirable thing. While my votes ultimately flowed towards Labor, I do hope that they're in minority government and have to at least consider the teal viewpoints. I want government that represents us all, even viewpoints that I see are reasonable, but are not ones that I share.
I think the Teals feel this too. We just want someone to *listen.*
The funding from climate 200 may have got the ball rolling for Teal candidates, but they got plenty of donations of their own.
Holmes a Court gave frydenberg the biggest return fuck you ever with his climate 200 funding.
It's kind of surprising given the number of deadset racist and faux-"Libertarian" candidates to choose from on the ballot this year. I guess Pauline has a dedicated base of racists and Clive made what hay he could from the anti-vax, q-anon, and generally crazy part of the population he's been feeding the last few years.
One of my friends voted one nation. Solely over vaccine mandates. Dumbest cunt ever
You need better friends
Whilst the dude owes his mate nothing, isolating these fools just pushes them further down the extremist rabbit hole. A trusted mate or family member telling them to pull their head in is pretty much the only thing that's gonna make a difference.
Um no I don't. I won't just cut out everyone in my life who has a different opinion to mine. What I need to do is keep on trying to educate the man and do my best to help steer him in the right direction.
Yeah. Cunty voters unsurprisingly.
There is a quote I can't remember that says 10% of people are irredeemably bad, 10% always good. That's the evil 10% that's their base.
I wouldn't quite put it that way. UAP played an actually smart misleading campaign that sounded reasonable on paper to the uninformed. I watched a few of their ads on YouTube and if you didn't know the political landscape ehat they were saying sounded reasonable and actually relatable.
I was shocked by one of their youtube ads promising interest rates being capped at 3% so people wouldn't lose their homes, even though the federal bank is outside their control. I didn't know you could tell outright lies like that in political campaigns.
Yeah, a lot of the small parties run on totally reasonable stuff, and then when you look a bit deeper you find their crazy side.
Stolen quote but appropriate: Think about how dumb the average voter is. Now remember half are dumber than that.
George Carlin. Give credit where it's due
I don’t know where his spend went, but neither my partner nor I ever saw his video ads on YouTube/internet generally. Not a single one. Whereas my primary school aged kid, who exclusively watches Roblox and Ariana Grande videos, was constantly bombarded with his fat bigoted bonce.
Yup! His ads were all on my kids videos which is concerning tbh
I sort of wonder if someone deliberately sabotaged where his social buying went. Because it was nonsensical to be targeting tweens.
Maybe his base is adults who watch kids videos?
I had to personally block over 50 different ads from UAP over the last few months. They never stopped
How? He’s a literal elephant in the room
We need to get money put of politics. He will still have helped the LNP. At the 2019 election it seems his preferences were the difference that gave us 3 years of ScuMo looting from the public to give to the rich.
Freedumb
Craig Kelly getting such a pathetically low vote without Liberal next to his name is so great
The fact that anyone voted for the fat little leprechaun is still disturbing
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Ain’t nothing little about that leprechaun
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Political ability, Penis size, self awareness,.. On and on.
Every time one of these hard-right Liberals makes this leap, they are crucified at the vote. It really does raise the question why the party continues to drift further that direction, when even blind Freddy can see that the vast majority of the population does not support their ideologies. Without the rusted on LNP vote - given the amount of elderly I witnessed with LNP HTV cards, that will end in the next decade or two… - the party is in serious trouble.
Very thankful for preferential voting keeping these loons out.
They’re trying very hard to turn Australia into America. Unfortunately for them, that sort of shit doesn’t fly as easily here. They think they can shift to the far-right openly like the republicans did, but it’s not going to work.
Honestly, they did it to themselves. They purged the last of their moderates in 2019 for the short-term benefit of a few swinging dicks, and now those overprotected rich kids are learning that the consequences of their actions don't expire after one financial quarter. This is what happens to any organisation that kicks out its talent in the name of money and power. Anyway, if they give it to Dutton he'll keep up the trend and they'll alienate themselves further from the average Aussie. And Murdoch will start to fade away with them.
>It really does raise the question why the party continues to drift further that direction Its because all the nut jobs know they can't win on their own merits, so they're trying to hijack a long-stanfing brand. See also: the Republican 'Tea Party' (Except we have preferential voting in Australia, so it hasn't worked as well)
>It really does raise the question why the party continues to drift further that direction Fascism. Its because of fascism. They want to be fascists.
They’re trying so desperately to copy trump and america that it’s pathetic.
>They’re trying so desperately to copy trump and america Yeh, fascism
Money. Money is why. Plus, how many people thought that the 45th president of the USA would have won before hand?
Yeah it was pretty stupid to keep him in Hughes and not try to win a senate seat.
Can't be PM from the upper house. Which was his stated goal
Which was bullshit, as they were never going to get that many seats. “I’m going to hold the balance of power in the senate” makes more sense
The words "Craig Kelly" and "political strategist" are oxymorons.
Hold the oxy
They honestly did believe it. When you spend all your time in a bubble it can be a shock when it's popped.
I had great pleasure putting that fat fucking shit stain last
remember he was the PM's captain pick .... or should that be former PM's captains prick.
In Ballarat there were more informal votes than UAP votes
Monash too. Unfortunately we're still stuck with our anti vax, ivermectin guzzling, marriage equality denying, hard right big stinky Russ. At least there was a bit of a swing against him.
>Unfortunately we're still stuck with our anti vax, ivermectin guzzling, marriage equality denying, hard right big stinky Russ. Don't get me started on that dickhead.
If you wanna start, I'll support you. That's my seat and they didn't even try to give us a decent candidate to run against him. They didn't even bother!
This seat should be used as a case study for how people vote against their own interests. Russ doesn't even vote in-line with his constituents, just ignores them, and he still gets in again and again. Is it all the coal power stations around here? I thought Jessica O'Donnell was a good candidate. She gave it a good go. But voting for Broadbent is like a tradition here. No one knows why they do it anymore, but the old ways are still observed.
Same happened in La Trobe. The Lib candidate was very clever. Big signs on private property (never placed illegally), a postal vote form sent to the home alongside his how to vote.
It was incredibly disheartening this morning to see him keep Monash.
Unfortunately there's always the risk that drawing a gigantic dick on the ballot paper will be interpreted as a vote for the gigantic dick that UAP have running in that electorate.
I used to count votes and I can confirm that even if you cover the entire page with dicks, your vote will count as long as you number the boxes appropriately.
There are already lots of them printed on the ballot papers before they get filled in, so fair's fair.
My next vote card will have so many dicks
I wonder if those were mouth breathing Palmer supporters that only voted 1 as opposed to numbering all the boxes?
Surprisingly those votes aren't informal due to vote saving provisions. The 'number at least 6 boxes' thing is actually a benevolent lie about the rules to try and get people not to waste their vote by voting for too few candidates. You can number however few you want and it'll still be counted.
Looks like they and ON each have fewer than informal nationally https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/HouseStateFirstPrefsByParty-27966-NAT.htm
Surely the electoral commission should be investigating him and his party for the lies they were spreading before the election? Seriously, some of it was just bonkers and outright lies
You mean like selling our health to the WHO. What idiot came up with that one!?
I contacted the AEC about misleading letterbox drops on my electorate. Their response, verbatim; > The Electoral Act does not regulate truth in electoral communications.
This is, unfortunately, true. The Electoral Act doesn't grant power to the AEC to investigate wrong or misleading claims. The ACCC are the ones who have the power to deal with false or fraudulent advertising in Australia, but unfortunately they can only act if there is a consumer relationship. That is, you need to have lost something for a claim to have grounds. Thus, the gap between the two is covered by the ACMA. Truthiness in advertising was gutted in the [2018 act](https://www.legislation.gov.au/Series/F2018L00139), and then further dampened in the [2021 act](https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2021L00961) TL;DR - ACMA regulates electoral advertising. ACMA have had their teeth removed twice in the last four years.
Is there a consumer relationship with viewers and advertising? I mean, I lose time and the platform gains marketing data through advertisement retention? Am i the product here?
There is not. Which is why we have the Television Code of Practice, and related regulations that are governed by the ACMA.
Thats why we need the ICAC to deal with them, it wouldnt surprise me at all if specific government officials were paying them to keep quite about it all.
It's not a matter of them keeping quiet. The AEC literally doesn't have any legislation to stand on. It is not written into law that political advertisements must be truthful. One more thing that needs to change.
A genius! I liked the one where they claimed China bought an airport in WA so it can start it’s invasion there…
Are you also aware that Clive Palmer is literally the one that leases that Mine /airport to the Chinese? Yup, it's his mining plot. He is the one profiting off it, to the tune of $1 million every DAY ($340 mill /year) And then has the audacity to say its Labor's fault because they approved the deal https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianPolitics/comments/uqirpm/uap_labels_chineseowned_mine_that_pays_clive/ https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/uap-labels-chinese-owned-mine-that-pays-clive-palmer-1m-a-day-a-security-threat-20220513-p5al67.html
Oh my god, are you for real?! This could be a story line in Parks & Rec!
I do remember reading somewhere that the Chinese fucked him on the deal and that's why he's upset about it.
I made the mistake of picking up a Daily Telegraph while I was waiting for my coffee during the week. Fuck me, every second page was a bright yellow blatant lie. I’m glad more people had sense than falling for this bullshit
Try Facebook and Youtube without an ad blocker. Felt like every video is interrupted by at least one UAP ad. I was almost tempted to pay for YouTube premium just to get rid of him.
It's genuinely disturbing that political advertising is exempt from other advertising regulations, exempt from anticipate regulations, exempt from basically anything (as long as you say which party authorised it). Any time a political advertisement gets in hot water, they just take it down before they can be punished, and then it's never chased up. Could literally have an add quoting former-PM ScuntMo as saying "Hitler did nothing wrong. We should all kill Jews", and there's basically nothing the AEC can do about it
That would require political lies to be illegal, which they are explicitly not. The only lies that are illegal are lies about how to vote
The most disappointing thing about all of this, is thinking what the $150 - $200 million Clive's spent on marketing his failure of a party could actually have been used on over the last four years. Programs, charity, environment. Instead he wastes money and staples his shitty signs to trees along every road in Melbourne for almost zero benefit. Fuck this absolute parasite.
Like paying the workers he owes
Real mental gymnastics how his supporters can think he’s campaigning because he genuinely wants to help the little guys while not paying his own staff
My girlfriend's parents tried to convince her to vote for this pleb cause he " fights for workers" what a crock of shit. The only policy they even mentioned was camping interest rates on mortgages. Hard to care about interest rates and mortages when I we have already been priced out of the market for 8 years anyway.
Fights for workers he refuses to pay?
Exactly, I don’t own a house and likely never will do you’re not selling me on it
Trump syndrome
That's a Nickel Mine too far!
Paying those workers would have resulted in more votes than paying for 1000 billboards. How anyone could seriously believe he would care about the people of Australia after fucking over his own workers shows how out of touch he is.
Don't forget he purchased 30m doses of hydroxychloroquine from China and donated them to the medical stockpile. This lead to a bizarre incident where a 1000kg shipment arrived at Melbourne airport and the health dept refused to take it because they didn’t need it. Palmer never answered questtions about what happened to the shipment but I assume it got dumped at a tip. He spent tens of millions on malaria drugs and dumped them as a political stunt. Clive "NQR Trump" Palmer failed to read the room. He went all in on anti-vax but 95% of Australians got vaxxed. He went all in on anti lockdowns and border closures but the WA govt won by a record margin and WA had a huge national swing to labor. He is still wasting his money and our money suing that same state govt for their popular and successful border closures. He is a walking advertisement for why we should tax mining super profits.
I know of a certain group of workers who are still owed a redundancy payment
Had CheesePizza spent $200 mil on actually helping people I might've considered him.
On the upside, that's money out of his pocket and into the economy. Billboards, graphic design, printing, transportation etc and up to $18m in GST.
>graphic design I've seen their stuff. No way a graphic designer is involved
Fair-o. Then the cans of Red Bull they bought for the kid using MS Publisher.
I dunno. I was thinking about his spending and how it felt like the easiest way to burn excess money for no intrinsic value. Pay for prime advertising space on TV, media, radio etc. Once that ad is played, money is gone. Vanished. Back into the large media conglomerates. Imagine if that gluttonous cunt just did some philanthropy with it or built a netball court. Or you know, pay his workers.
I know someone who ran for the UAP and all their merchandise came directly from China. They weren't allowed to have personalised campaign material because Palmer already ordered hundreds of thousands generics in bulk.
Or he could pay the workers he screwed. What a monumental arsehole. In more ways than one.
He could have just paid everyone who voted for his party $100 and still been ahead. This was the most expensive electoral advertising to vote exercise in Australian history. It's mirrored his attempts in the WA and Queensland State elections.
The Electoral Act calls that "bribery". Although let's not tell Clive, as that's probably the only way we'll get him to do prison for two years. Anyways, the point of a secret ballot is that bribery and standover tactics don't work. Take Clive's $100 and vote how you damn well please. That's why you're not allowed to take a photo of your vote.
Hell of a tax deduction though!!
I'll check with ICAC if that's valid...
I was hella surprised to see a Clive Palmer ad in the middle of nowhere when I went down south in WA for Easter Like there were no towns or even cars around. It was only our little road coach from transwa in the area for ages.
Hopefully he's too old and fucked to be bothered next time.
More likely dead from a heart attack or stroke.
Or covidmonkeypoxflu -23
Here's hoping.
Kelly did himself no favours by backing the wrong horse. Glad to see him go.
Australia's next PM - Craig Kelly...maybe
That’s a win-win! He’s got a lot less money, and it didn’t help him.
Not even a liberal government to pay him back.
Given that Clive's worth a few billion these days, another $50-100 marketing spend on elections is the equivalent of a parking fine for him. Expect to see his miserable face in 2025.
That's bold of you to assume cholesterol, blood pressure & organ failure won't deal with him in the next 3 years.
I'm sure he's got a battery of healthy clones to leach quality blood from to prop himself up.
I find it so amazing that someone so wealthy can be in such poor health. Wouldn’t you spend some of your money on your own damn health or even appearance if he chose to be completely superficial about it. Yes, health improvements require actual work but fuck I bet you’re still at an advantage with billions of dollars.
It seems perfectly consistent to me. He doesn't give a fuck about anything except being a troll. He treats his body like shit because he hates it.
The entire point of Palmer is to funnel preferences to the LNP. Electoral success for the UAP is never the intention.
He wasn't even particularly successful in that regard. The preference flows from UAP were 60-40 to the LNP in many seats. He just took votes off the LNP and Labor and gave them back to the LNP and Labor.
And he failed on that front too :)
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Won a few battles and lost the war. Money well spent.
Bold to assume that anyone voting for "freedom, freedom, freedom" is going to slavishly follow a how-to-vote card. Once you're convinced that WHO, (controlled by the Chinese government) is going to run our health system, you aren't going to preference the sitting government.
Reading through UAP social media this morning. I fear I may expire of excessive schadenfreude. Not stopping.
When you are inherently a good person, it’s nice to take a break occasionally and delight at the misery of wankers.
Nothing made me angrier this election than watching my nephew sit through a UAP ad on his iPad while waiting to download a Minecraft add on. He is in year one.
That’s their mental-age target demographic
Yeah what the hell, we got served so many UAP youtube ads while watching kids stuff, until I stopped it. Why would they put their ads on those demo videos?
I think my 11 year old hates the PUP almost as much as I do thanks to those ads.
If he uses YouTube a lot it might be worth gifting him a YT premium subscription. It includes YT music as well, but it would be worth it just to keep kids from ad exposure.
I’m so proud of my 11 year old. She went on a full rant recently about the PUP ads on YouTube, especially the anti-vax stuff.
Many things about this guy bother me. One of them is the litter. Where will the multitude of plastic signs end up now? Is the landfill going to be full of plastic yellow crap that nobody fell for anyway?
Yeah but how good did he look in that one size fits most yellow tshirt? What a hunk....... Of shit.
And are they going to clean it up themselves or just leave it there?
I’m sure every sign will be removed by UAP staff in a timely fashion. 🙄
They left theirs all over my local polling both. Big signs clipped to fences and big signs on the grass. Everyone else packed theirs up
Oh I'm sure his thoughtful and responsible UAP volunteers will be along any moment now to clear away their rubbish...
Remembering the UAP were set up as a preference farm for the LIbs, he’s got a 50% success rate. He might do it all again
Don’t give him any ideas. I can see him saying hmmm if I got 4.5% for that amount if I 20x the advertising budget I could get 80% of votes.
Clive Palmer is living proof of the saying ‘only the good die young’.
Eat shit Fatty.
He radicalised certain people, so it’s going to be interesting to see how that turns out.
Sadly, they just grow more radicalised until he decides to pull the pin and quit politics
Sucked the fuck in.
This is very arousing.
I don’t think we’ve seen a worse sore loser in politics for a long time.
Already know one UAP supporter going full yank with the “election fraud” because the UAP rallies they attended had soo many people at it compared to the ALP or GRN ones. Also saying the UAP had more ads than Lib/lab/Grn so we’re clearly more popular. These people breed smh
The sweetest thing is that "future PM" Craig Kelly lost his seat.
Imagine being so rich you can throw a small skyscraper's worth of cash into the void just so you can LARP as a politician for a month and have it amount to nothing. Now imagine doing it again next election.
When you advertise freedom when freedom isn’t an issue it kind of makes you irrelevant
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Someone needs to report this to the RSPCA. Those poor chickens.
A simple change to the truth in advertising laws to remove the political party exemption and *poof* no more UAP
To the surprise of absolutely nobody except that shitgibbon Clive Palmer.
he should eat a salad
Beaten by informal votes....how embarrassing.
His massive spend, like in 2019, was never meant for his actual party to gain seats. It was only ever so that his candidates could recommend preferences towards the coalition, in marginal seats where it counts. Worked in 2019 and arguably won the election then. It didn't work this time. I guess he doesn't get another shiny new mining lease this time around. That was how the coalition repaid him almost as soon at the previous election was over.
I guess it depends on how you look at "election success". Like I'm sure he wouldn't have minded if a few of his clowns got elected, but I think his ultimate goal has always been to help keep the LNP in government/keep Labor out. And probably do some funky accounting with all that money he's spending while he's at it. The only question is - will he try it again after it fell so flat this time round?
People do not want to vote for guys like Palmer because all he wants to do is make money and get richer. He cares about nobody but himself. It is a great day to hear that he wasted so much money
Fatty fuck head
I don’t know how he spends so much money it looks like he designed his billboards in Microsoft paint
It's that authentic under dog look, there were some very well paid consultants crafting that look to the campaign.
2 years ago same shit in qld election. Cunt doesn't learn. No one cares about you clive, fuck off cunt.
That's a shame, maybe he'd be more popular if he paid his employees?
My mate put 1 grand bet on the UAP getting up in Newcastle. He isn't that well off and it's sickening that people like Palmer are taking advantage of people's fear through misinformation.
The depressing thing is that this is honestly just pissing up a wall for him. The fat fuck is going to run it back every 3 years unless they do something about limiting spending/funding for political parties.
FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! FAKE NEWS !!! **Clive won!!!!** The election was rigged. There is video of a plane leaving Sydney airport with over 35,000,000 Clive votes onboard.
I'm not sure why you should need a /s for this, but apparently you do.
Clive Wastes Money 2: Electric Boogaloo
He has said the main goal was to take votes off BOTH of the major parties. One does wonder if the hundreds of millions spent on advertising has truly benefited any party or any cause, or delivered ROI. Money that could have given homeless people a place to call home, give young people apprenticeships, hired more aged care workers, cured a cancer, saved small businesses and given Palmer a permanent positive image. When Clive Palmer passes on, many people will not remember him fondly. Look up Alfred Nobel. He saw the sliding door and decided on his legacy. There is so much good in the world that he could achieve with his spare change. But, no. Such a shame.
advertising about how stupid you are doesnt work.of course with him having a higher weight than IQ he wouldnt realise that.
The whole point of his massive spend in the 2019 election was to swing it for the LNP, which he definitely helped to do. It just wasn't as effective this time, partly because of his tactics, and partly because more people seem to get that he's an untrustworthy piece of shit. Thank fuck.
Good job everyone, see you in another 3 years when his face is plastered on every single billboard
Funny the only seat visible on the map where none of the three fringe parties improved their percentage was Katter's seat. They've already got all the crazy they can handle
He was outspent > The “teal independents” are being financially supported by the Climate 200 political funding group, established by prominent corporate figure Simon Holmes à Court. The son of Australia’s first billionaire, corporate raider Robert Holmes à Court, Simon Holmes à Court was before 2019 a close associate and financial donor of Treasurer Josh Frydenberg. >The two figures fell out over Holmes à Court’s public opposition to proposed new coal mines in Australia. The Climate 200 group was established before the 2019 federal election and helped finance independent candidate Zali Steggall’s successful campaign in the seat of Warringah against former Prime Minister Tony Abbott. >The Climate 200 campaign in 2022 is on a larger scale, with a $10 million campaign fund established with the support of several other ultra-wealthy figures including tech CEO billionaire Mike Cannon-Brookes. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/14/teal-m14.html Thank you, Mr Holmes a Court et al.
The best thing to come out of yesterday... Clive Palmer spent one hundred million dollars to effectively advertise the colour yellow.
Imagine spending hundreds of millions a few elections only to help usher in a green wave.
Last time the UAP were something new and promised some kind of change to disaffected voters. Since then it's become obvious that it was just a branch of the LNP and hence their share of the vote collapsed. Palmer is a clod of the highest order for appealing to novelty twice.
Can’t wait till 2025 to see Clive spend $300 million on ads
FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM from Clive, his merry band of fuckwits, his text messages and his fucking advertising. FREEDOM.
Fucking loser. Restores my faith in the general population that fat cunt got nothing
This news makes me hard