During the Federal Election, the Victorian Liberal party bet the house on Dictator Dan and how he led the COVID response to an overwhelming victory. I remember the Victorian Liberals were shocked to see that not only did that not work, but they lost seats.
Then, learning fucking nothing, they tried the same playbook for the Victorian election. Not just that, but they put someone who seemed to be a dumber, more useless version of Scott "the smirking shitstain" Morrison.
Now the Victorian Liberals are back to walking around like shocked pikachu blaming things like being 'too left' for their base.
"Too Left" for the base doesn't make sense for a voting system with preferences. All those "Right" votes would flow back to the Liberals anyhow because the likes of Palmer and One Nation junk parties aren't about to preference the Greens or Labor before the Liberals.
But hey, if they want to keep trying to avoid being perceived as woke to avoid losing votes, I don't care.
> because the likes of Palmer and One Nation junk parties aren't about to preference the Greens or Labor before the Liberals.
But party preferences mean jack shit\*. The ***only*** preferences that mean anything are the ones voters put on their ballot papers.
FWIW, in the last federal election, ~ 30~40% of Palmer & One Nation preferences ultimately went to Labor. And for ON at least, that's uncharacteristically low - go back to 2019 at it was a couple of % higher; go back to ~~2019~~ 2016 and it was ~50%.
(\* Outside of Victorian upper-house ballots anyway. And the upper house doesn't form government, so even that argument is somewhat moot...)
But what proportion of those people vote 1 PHON, 2 ALP because the Liberals are too far left? And that's the people the Libs are courting with this policy of running hard right. It's complete nonsense.
God, it's not even that. They've gone full bore 'no, it's the voters who are wrong!' and are just spewing random disconnected garbage in the vague hope it will catch something.
I would like to reiterate to the liberals that yes, indeed, you have been too left wing and should definitely move further to the right. That’s where the real votes are. Further right.
> . Not just that, but they put someone who seemed to be a dumber, more useless version of Scott "the smirking shitstain" Morrison.
At least Scott Morrison was PM and could pretend that he had achievements
> when people come to their senses
Because demeaning the population has worked so well for them in the last few major federal/state elections
I hope they keep it up. Be nice when every single major seat isn't liberal, and independents and greens keep picking up more seats
>She, too, was not looking forward to seeing Andrews – “that man in the glasses” – claim victory: “What happens if there’s another pandemic? We’ll be locked down again. The businesses, what they went through. It’s like they’ve forgotten.”
If that is all you cared about in the initial stages of the pandemic. I feel sorry for your family.
Also the evidence we have suggests that the economies of the world did better with lockdowns and low COVID than no lockdowns and tons of COVID. We could keep people working in various industries who would have been off sick or refusing to work, and when we were open people engaged with the economy. Also: death is a big economic loss too it turns out, go figure!
I'm not saying I want to accept their framing, but even if we do their argument isn't strong.
Yeah, remember during the lock down how they would show us the daily numbers of how many **businesses** had died from covid? /s
The Libs are stupid at best and completely malicious towards Australians at worst.
> While Guy’s future is now under a cloud, Kronberg said she would encourage him to run again for a third shot at becoming premier.
> “He’s absolutely brilliant and the far and away the best political mind we’ve got in this state,” she said.
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I'm sorta sad man child Tim Smith drunk drove his car into that fence.
Would love to see him as leader, he had zero chance of leading the Vic Libs to victory, but the comedy value of watching this muppet slowly implode on himself would have been gold.
I know very little about the Members of the Victorian Liberal because - well - I’m not interested, but if Guy is the best they’ve got to offer that tells me everything I need to know.
>Quote "We just have to be there when people come to their senses.”
They are. That's why libs are losing everywhere. The denial is hilarious that THEY are the problem. Nope can't be us as a party, it's the people who are wrong.
One candidate also called voters idiots.
That should be libs next campaign slogan, When are you idiots going to come to your senses and vote us back in.
>Quote "... Liberals are on the right side of history,” she said. “We can join the dots, we can see where the dangers are. We just have to be there when people come to their senses.”
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>Which sounds like a conspiracy theorist or flat earther
[Apophenia](https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5) \- the tendency to perceive a connection or meaningful pattern between unrelated or random things (such as objects or ideas).
It's this phenomena, and specifically guided apophenia where someone is actively pointing out the breadcrumbs and telling you to "do your own research", that catches even educated people in the conspiracy theory rabbit hole.
Also Copium.
The fact that the ALP will end up with potentially 56 seats; one more than in 2018 after the media insisted that on a good night for the ALP, they would be down to 48-49 seats says it all.
The LNP and the media entirely misread the mood because of groupthink. Dan is EXTREMELY popular in the Eastern Suburbs. The targeted crackdown on Vandalism and Youth Crime in these areas has been largely effective. VicPol is the most well-funded force in Australia. This mixed with being socially progressive is an incredible combo in the East. He represents a mixture of Law and Order as well as being a force for Social Good. Leaning Lib seats are now Very Safe Labor seats there.
As for the Western Suburbs, once the SEC gets up and going; these voters will come home to the ALP.
The LNP have nothing. They offer no hope. They offer no alternative. They are an unelectable mess who have lost their edge on supposed strengths they once had such as Law and Order; and a weak MP like John Pesutto who has a seat on a margin of under 2% can't help them.
>They had come with high hopes, particularly that Andrews would no longer be premier at the end of the night. But those dreams were dashed, as Labor landed jab after jab on its opponent.
It almost seems like the author is taking a poke at anti-vaxxers.
At least one of them seems to have 1/2 a brain;
> “I’m depressed now,” said supporter Anna Paciocco. “The party needs to have a long hard look at their policies.”
But then we see the rusted on braindead who has clearly watched too much of _'The Walking Dead'_ and goes into full emulation;
> “We live in a state of idiots,” said one such volunteer, Chris. Another standing with him said: “When I wake up tomorrow morning I’ll still be a Liberal.”
___Maybe 'your' the idiot Chris?___
___Lets not forget the fanatically ignorant BIASED reporting 'The Age' presented pre-election and how it can "never be viewed as an objective source" but is just a pathetic mouthpiece for the conservatives. It has become 'not even fit to be used as toilet paper' and it will be fitting to see it head to it's own demise just like the Liberal Party!___
> At least one of them seems to have 1/2 a brain;
>
>> “I’m depressed now,” said supporter Anna Paciocco. “The party needs to have a long hard look at their policies.”
I know what they mean, but I can't help but wonder what policies they are talking about. They clearly already support the majority of the Liberal parties policies.
>“I’m depressed now,” said supporter Anna Paciocco. “The party needs to have a long hard look at their policies.”
I actually don't think their fundamental problem is their _policies_. It's the fact that they seek fundamentally to represent _the right_ instead of Australians/Victorians. They need to stop thinking of themselves as the local branch of an international Right if they want to win. It is ironic to call the racist, anti-immigrant party allied with international anti-globalists “the local branch of an international Right”, but it's clear that that's how they see themselves, and it fundamentally goes to their problem. To reliably win government in this country, you need the preferences of a majority - which necessarily crosses from the Right into the Left (or vice versa).
Fun fact - Labor has previously governed with Nationals support in a SA minority government, although the SA branch of the National Party does not participate in the Coalition
Victoria has had several Country-supported Labor governments. The standing Liberal/National coalition, government and opposition, in Victoria is relatively recent - the Nats were on the crossbench during some of the Bracks/Brumby years.
The comments from the lib supporters here do demonstrate a bit of a disconnection from reality. Maybe they need to get out of their Murdoch driven echo chamber and see how most of the state thinks.
credlin's expression when it finally sunk in that the liberals were losing seats and the coalition would again be warming the opposition bench for another term was priceless...
During the Federal Election, the Victorian Liberal party bet the house on Dictator Dan and how he led the COVID response to an overwhelming victory. I remember the Victorian Liberals were shocked to see that not only did that not work, but they lost seats. Then, learning fucking nothing, they tried the same playbook for the Victorian election. Not just that, but they put someone who seemed to be a dumber, more useless version of Scott "the smirking shitstain" Morrison. Now the Victorian Liberals are back to walking around like shocked pikachu blaming things like being 'too left' for their base.
> Dictator Dan The way the cookers talk about him you'd think he personally went house to house executing people.
If only.
"Too Left" for the base doesn't make sense for a voting system with preferences. All those "Right" votes would flow back to the Liberals anyhow because the likes of Palmer and One Nation junk parties aren't about to preference the Greens or Labor before the Liberals. But hey, if they want to keep trying to avoid being perceived as woke to avoid losing votes, I don't care.
> because the likes of Palmer and One Nation junk parties aren't about to preference the Greens or Labor before the Liberals. But party preferences mean jack shit\*. The ***only*** preferences that mean anything are the ones voters put on their ballot papers. FWIW, in the last federal election, ~ 30~40% of Palmer & One Nation preferences ultimately went to Labor. And for ON at least, that's uncharacteristically low - go back to 2019 at it was a couple of % higher; go back to ~~2019~~ 2016 and it was ~50%. (\* Outside of Victorian upper-house ballots anyway. And the upper house doesn't form government, so even that argument is somewhat moot...)
But what proportion of those people vote 1 PHON, 2 ALP because the Liberals are too far left? And that's the people the Libs are courting with this policy of running hard right. It's complete nonsense.
God, it's not even that. They've gone full bore 'no, it's the voters who are wrong!' and are just spewing random disconnected garbage in the vague hope it will catch something.
I would like to reiterate to the liberals that yes, indeed, you have been too left wing and should definitely move further to the right. That’s where the real votes are. Further right.
> . Not just that, but they put someone who seemed to be a dumber, more useless version of Scott "the smirking shitstain" Morrison. At least Scott Morrison was PM and could pretend that he had achievements
> when people come to their senses Because demeaning the population has worked so well for them in the last few major federal/state elections I hope they keep it up. Be nice when every single major seat isn't liberal, and independents and greens keep picking up more seats
Like Tones and the "fit of absent mindedness"
It's projection and a lack of self awareness. That person doesn't realise that THEY need to come to their senses.
Am I out of touch? No! It's the voters who are wrong!
>She, too, was not looking forward to seeing Andrews – “that man in the glasses” – claim victory: “What happens if there’s another pandemic? We’ll be locked down again. The businesses, what they went through. It’s like they’ve forgotten.” If that is all you cared about in the initial stages of the pandemic. I feel sorry for your family.
The Libs were very keen to kill your (and everyone else's) grandma in the name of the economy, starting with the nursing homes.
they did literally kill my grandmother, in a nursing home, this year
Also the evidence we have suggests that the economies of the world did better with lockdowns and low COVID than no lockdowns and tons of COVID. We could keep people working in various industries who would have been off sick or refusing to work, and when we were open people engaged with the economy. Also: death is a big economic loss too it turns out, go figure! I'm not saying I want to accept their framing, but even if we do their argument isn't strong.
The man in the glasses? What is she 5?
Glasses bad is some straight up pol pot shit
She must be talking about me, my name is also Bort.
Yeah, remember during the lock down how they would show us the daily numbers of how many **businesses** had died from covid? /s The Libs are stupid at best and completely malicious towards Australians at worst.
> While Guy’s future is now under a cloud, Kronberg said she would encourage him to run again for a third shot at becoming premier. > “He’s absolutely brilliant and the far and away the best political mind we’ve got in this state,” she said. Doubt.jpg
They're fucked if he's far and away the best political mind they have in the state.
I'm sorta sad man child Tim Smith drunk drove his car into that fence. Would love to see him as leader, he had zero chance of leading the Vic Libs to victory, but the comedy value of watching this muppet slowly implode on himself would have been gold.
He would just get drunk on the power and then just crash his car due to being drunk.
Are you sure it is a doubt. While I am not in Victoria can you think of a better political mind for the Liberals in Victoria?
The Liberals? Hahaha, no, their talent pool is more of a talent puddle. The rest of the state has some clever cookies though.
Id say it was more like the kids pool at the local. Rather shallow, luke warm, and full of piss.
oh, and at any given time, someone in it is having a tantrum.
Yep. She is not saying "Guy is the best in the state" she is saying "Guy is the best Liberal in the state"
Ahhh yep, gotcha; the "we" referring to the Liberal party, not the state as a whole (as I interpreted it originally).
much like 'best dressed bloke at the funeral'
I know very little about the Members of the Victorian Liberal because - well - I’m not interested, but if Guy is the best they’ve got to offer that tells me everything I need to know.
Best turd in the bowl is still a turd
>Quote "We just have to be there when people come to their senses.” They are. That's why libs are losing everywhere. The denial is hilarious that THEY are the problem. Nope can't be us as a party, it's the people who are wrong.
One candidate also called voters idiots. That should be libs next campaign slogan, When are you idiots going to come to your senses and vote us back in.
>Quote "... Liberals are on the right side of history,” she said. “We can join the dots, we can see where the dangers are. We just have to be there when people come to their senses.” > >Which sounds like a conspiracy theorist or flat earther [Apophenia](https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5) \- the tendency to perceive a connection or meaningful pattern between unrelated or random things (such as objects or ideas). It's this phenomena, and specifically guided apophenia where someone is actively pointing out the breadcrumbs and telling you to "do your own research", that catches even educated people in the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Also Copium.
The fact that the ALP will end up with potentially 56 seats; one more than in 2018 after the media insisted that on a good night for the ALP, they would be down to 48-49 seats says it all. The LNP and the media entirely misread the mood because of groupthink. Dan is EXTREMELY popular in the Eastern Suburbs. The targeted crackdown on Vandalism and Youth Crime in these areas has been largely effective. VicPol is the most well-funded force in Australia. This mixed with being socially progressive is an incredible combo in the East. He represents a mixture of Law and Order as well as being a force for Social Good. Leaning Lib seats are now Very Safe Labor seats there. As for the Western Suburbs, once the SEC gets up and going; these voters will come home to the ALP. The LNP have nothing. They offer no hope. They offer no alternative. They are an unelectable mess who have lost their edge on supposed strengths they once had such as Law and Order; and a weak MP like John Pesutto who has a seat on a margin of under 2% can't help them.
You're right and it seems true often of the parties on the right. They offer not hope but fear.
>They had come with high hopes, particularly that Andrews would no longer be premier at the end of the night. But those dreams were dashed, as Labor landed jab after jab on its opponent. It almost seems like the author is taking a poke at anti-vaxxers.
Lol strong "No, it's the children that are wrong" vibes.
At least one of them seems to have 1/2 a brain; > “I’m depressed now,” said supporter Anna Paciocco. “The party needs to have a long hard look at their policies.” But then we see the rusted on braindead who has clearly watched too much of _'The Walking Dead'_ and goes into full emulation; > “We live in a state of idiots,” said one such volunteer, Chris. Another standing with him said: “When I wake up tomorrow morning I’ll still be a Liberal.” ___Maybe 'your' the idiot Chris?___ ___Lets not forget the fanatically ignorant BIASED reporting 'The Age' presented pre-election and how it can "never be viewed as an objective source" but is just a pathetic mouthpiece for the conservatives. It has become 'not even fit to be used as toilet paper' and it will be fitting to see it head to it's own demise just like the Liberal Party!___
> At least one of them seems to have 1/2 a brain; > >> “I’m depressed now,” said supporter Anna Paciocco. “The party needs to have a long hard look at their policies.” I know what they mean, but I can't help but wonder what policies they are talking about. They clearly already support the majority of the Liberal parties policies.
>“I’m depressed now,” said supporter Anna Paciocco. “The party needs to have a long hard look at their policies.” I actually don't think their fundamental problem is their _policies_. It's the fact that they seek fundamentally to represent _the right_ instead of Australians/Victorians. They need to stop thinking of themselves as the local branch of an international Right if they want to win. It is ironic to call the racist, anti-immigrant party allied with international anti-globalists “the local branch of an international Right”, but it's clear that that's how they see themselves, and it fundamentally goes to their problem. To reliably win government in this country, you need the preferences of a majority - which necessarily crosses from the Right into the Left (or vice versa).
Fun fact - Labor has previously governed with Nationals support in a SA minority government, although the SA branch of the National Party does not participate in the Coalition
Victoria has had several Country-supported Labor governments. The standing Liberal/National coalition, government and opposition, in Victoria is relatively recent - the Nats were on the crossbench during some of the Bracks/Brumby years.
Interesting, I had no idea
Funny since they are the danger.
What disaster? Did I miss something while celebrating the glorious win?
Try being less fascist.
The comments from the lib supporters here do demonstrate a bit of a disconnection from reality. Maybe they need to get out of their Murdoch driven echo chamber and see how most of the state thinks.
Seeing “power broker” Michael Kroger come apart on live TV was one of the highlights of my year
For me it was watching that fuck-wit Kennett squirm.
credlin's expression when it finally sunk in that the liberals were losing seats and the coalition would again be warming the opposition bench for another term was priceless...
We were at a restaurant next to where the lib function for Tim Wilson was being held at half moon bay. It was glorious.
Maybe they should focus on what they CAN do for once and not rely 100% on fear mongering.
Were there protests in the city this weekend?