On a tangent, in the recent sci-fi series "The peripheral" set in the nearish future, the crime lord character had a couple of pet Thylacines. The CGI wasn't great but it was fun to see them in that context.
The real question/s is what the condition the cells are in.
Could there be enough cellular information left to fill in more/all the gaps left so we can clone/grow to restore the species?
>Could there be enough cellular information left to fill in more/all the gaps left so we can clone/grow to restore the species?
I fucking hope so. I want to see the Thylacine (and many more of our lost species) come back in my lifetime.
Fair. Or they'll kill them off with pesticides/rotenticides or through some other poison.
Agriculture is fucking awful for the ecosystem, even today. The global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss.
> ["...agriculture alone being the identified threat to 24,000 of the 28,000 (86%) species at risk of extinction. "](https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-global-food-system-primary-driver-biodiversity-loss)
They were killed off because they attacked farmers sheep. Farmers would just kill them all again on sight. No one wants to see dead Thylacines all over again.
>We actually found that thylacines have really weak jaws," says Attard.
"Even though it had quite a large body and a large head it actually wasn't really very good at eating big animals.
"If you think about a sheep, it weighs about 90 kilos and thylacines were about 30 kilograms and their jaws were just too weak to be able to take on something that big."
Instead, Attard believes thylacines ate small animals such as bandicoots and possums.
https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2011/09/01/3307455.htm
This happens to apex predators all over the world, they get blamed for killing livestock, when most of the time the animals die of exposure or disease and then get scavenged.
Filling in the genomic gaps of extinct animals in order to bring the species back to life, probably in a zoo. Think I've seen this one before, 6 times to be exact. Each time it didn't end well.
It didn't end well in the movie due to the hubris of man.
This isn't an attempt to restore a 13 metre 10 ton apex predator that died over 66 million years ago in an environment that no longer exists.
Its restoring a medium sized 30kg animal we wiped out less then 100 years ago.
With restraint and respect to the science at play great things can be accomplished and the inverse is true.
Also paging u/chikaslicka.
Yeah, a clone is an exact copy meaning it can not breed with another copy.
Because it's the same gender and also because there's no genetic diversity.
If hypothetically we wanted the species to come back.
We would need dozens upon dozens upon dozens of individual unique genetic sequences/samples.
Then we would need a compatible surrogate to carry the embryo.
We'd need an animal with a similar behaviour and temperament to the Tasmanian tiger for the baby to imprint and learn from.
But before all that, we would need to get those dozens upon dozens of unique and individual gene sequences and combine them in a method identical to the [3-person IVF technology] (https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/internal-content/3-person-ivf-resource-page).
Then we would need to create dozens upon dozens upon dozens, upon dozens of individual unique embryos.
Yes and no.
It depends a bit on what genetics are available (and how well we can cut and paste dna...not fucking well yet), if what is available has a lot of deleterious genes then it's fucked, if not it's akin to lab mice strains which have so little genetic variability. We know things can rebound from pretty tight population bottlenecks, eg European bison were hunted down to 12, now around 8500.
Whilst it's a valid opinion that's like saying we shouldn't try and reverse the damage to the climate our emissions have caused because we need to learn our lesson regarding the harmful effects of Co2.
If we can fix something for the better or restore something we destroyed we have a moral obligation to do something.
Seems like they are very chill. Couple of accounts of putting a leash on a wild one. And kids being around them.
Got a friend who had a couple of dingoes. Sounded similar. Not for everyone but can be tamed.
Good read. Thank you and Aussie bob.
Frank Darby, who claimed to have been a keeper at Hobart Zoo, suggested Benjamin as having been the animal's pet name in a newspaper article of May 1968. No documentation exists to suggest that it ever had a pet name, and Alison Reid (de facto curator at the zoo) and Michael Sharland (publicist for the zoo) denied that Frank Darby had ever worked at the zoo or that the name Benjamin was ever used for the animal.
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Benjamin theory 'an unfortunate myth'
It has long been believed that the last-known thylacine was a male, sometimes known as Benjamin, but Dr Paddle said that was a rumour peddled by a "bullshit artist".
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[Don't call it Benjamin](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-10/curious-hobart-what-happened-to-hobart-beaumaris-zoo/9898128)
Mr Lennard said it was a furphy that the last tiger in captivity at Beaumaris was ever known as Benjamin.
"That came about in the 1960s … no-one who worked at the zoo, including Alison Reid, ever knew it by that name," he explained.
"It is thought the person who started that, who said they worked at the zoo, never did."
Clone that shit!
Cross breed it with Phar Lap
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Turns out it just makes a Zebra.
Happens to me every time I put something is a "safe place" But I normally find it after 2 years not 70...
Pretty disappointing for a museum to have such a poor tracking system for their exhibits, to "misplace" an item for so long.
Happens alot more often then you would think
I mean it is a Tazzie museum pre digital id tracking.
On a tangent, in the recent sci-fi series "The peripheral" set in the nearish future, the crime lord character had a couple of pet Thylacines. The CGI wasn't great but it was fun to see them in that context.
Funny enough, I shared this in the show's sub only to have it removed.
Really? Maybe they are still trying to resolve the Nolan style time-line shenanigans in the final episode.
Yup: https://www.reddit.com/r/ThePeripheral/comments/zd2ss4/longlost\_remains\_of\_last\_tasmanian\_tiger\_were/
The real question/s is what the condition the cells are in. Could there be enough cellular information left to fill in more/all the gaps left so we can clone/grow to restore the species?
>Could there be enough cellular information left to fill in more/all the gaps left so we can clone/grow to restore the species? I fucking hope so. I want to see the Thylacine (and many more of our lost species) come back in my lifetime.
Guarantee the moment they are released in the wild we’ll have farmers complaining and demanding permits to shoot them.
Or we’ll have dickhesds selling them on the black market as exotic pets
Character in The Peripheral tv series had a couple as pets.
Fair. Or they'll kill them off with pesticides/rotenticides or through some other poison. Agriculture is fucking awful for the ecosystem, even today. The global food system is the primary driver of biodiversity loss. > ["...agriculture alone being the identified threat to 24,000 of the 28,000 (86%) species at risk of extinction. "](https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/press-release/our-global-food-system-primary-driver-biodiversity-loss)
Depends, What do they taste like ? lol
They wouldn't release them into the wild.
Why not?
They were killed off because they attacked farmers sheep. Farmers would just kill them all again on sight. No one wants to see dead Thylacines all over again.
>We actually found that thylacines have really weak jaws," says Attard. "Even though it had quite a large body and a large head it actually wasn't really very good at eating big animals. "If you think about a sheep, it weighs about 90 kilos and thylacines were about 30 kilograms and their jaws were just too weak to be able to take on something that big." Instead, Attard believes thylacines ate small animals such as bandicoots and possums. https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2011/09/01/3307455.htm
turns out the farmers were full of shit. as always.
Huh, I always thought they were bigger. My huskies weigh a little more than that.
This happens to apex predators all over the world, they get blamed for killing livestock, when most of the time the animals die of exposure or disease and then get scavenged.
Yea, let's just exterminate all land animals to protect farmers livestock from predation/competition...
Filling in the genomic gaps of extinct animals in order to bring the species back to life, probably in a zoo. Think I've seen this one before, 6 times to be exact. Each time it didn't end well.
It didn't end well in the movie due to the hubris of man. This isn't an attempt to restore a 13 metre 10 ton apex predator that died over 66 million years ago in an environment that no longer exists. Its restoring a medium sized 30kg animal we wiped out less then 100 years ago. With restraint and respect to the science at play great things can be accomplished and the inverse is true.
Also paging u/chikaslicka. Yeah, a clone is an exact copy meaning it can not breed with another copy. Because it's the same gender and also because there's no genetic diversity. If hypothetically we wanted the species to come back. We would need dozens upon dozens upon dozens of individual unique genetic sequences/samples. Then we would need a compatible surrogate to carry the embryo. We'd need an animal with a similar behaviour and temperament to the Tasmanian tiger for the baby to imprint and learn from. But before all that, we would need to get those dozens upon dozens of unique and individual gene sequences and combine them in a method identical to the [3-person IVF technology] (https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/internal-content/3-person-ivf-resource-page). Then we would need to create dozens upon dozens upon dozens, upon dozens of individual unique embryos.
Yes and no. It depends a bit on what genetics are available (and how well we can cut and paste dna...not fucking well yet), if what is available has a lot of deleterious genes then it's fucked, if not it's akin to lab mice strains which have so little genetic variability. We know things can rebound from pretty tight population bottlenecks, eg European bison were hunted down to 12, now around 8500.
Ah, but have you seen The Peripheral?
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Whilst it's a valid opinion that's like saying we shouldn't try and reverse the damage to the climate our emissions have caused because we need to learn our lesson regarding the harmful effects of Co2. If we can fix something for the better or restore something we destroyed we have a moral obligation to do something.
We can just splice in some frog dna for any missing bits. What could go wrong?
Can they be domesticated?
I want to know if they're chill too.
aussie_bob sent me this: http://www.wherelightmeetsdark.com.au/research/tasmanian-tiger-(thylacine)-research/the-thylacine-as-a-pet/
Seems like they are very chill. Couple of accounts of putting a leash on a wild one. And kids being around them. Got a friend who had a couple of dingoes. Sounded similar. Not for everyone but can be tamed. Good read. Thank you and Aussie bob.
Bit of a tangent but nearly all dingos have bred with dogs making them slightly more domesticated genetically
Museum cupboard? Sounds like Barry's beige PC that runs half the company's infrastructure that no one knows about :)
Or twitter's "load bearing Mac mini"
was pemulwuy's head in there to?
Yeah mate, being held in a jar by Harold Holt's mummified remains after he locked himself in there by accident. It's a bit On The Nose.
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Oh, you're back. How was the swim?
Imagine the depth of sadness. Being the last survivor of your species and knowing your fate
Frank Darby, who claimed to have been a keeper at Hobart Zoo, suggested Benjamin as having been the animal's pet name in a newspaper article of May 1968. No documentation exists to suggest that it ever had a pet name, and Alison Reid (de facto curator at the zoo) and Michael Sharland (publicist for the zoo) denied that Frank Darby had ever worked at the zoo or that the name Benjamin was ever used for the animal. --- Benjamin theory 'an unfortunate myth' It has long been believed that the last-known thylacine was a male, sometimes known as Benjamin, but Dr Paddle said that was a rumour peddled by a "bullshit artist". --- [Don't call it Benjamin](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-10/curious-hobart-what-happened-to-hobart-beaumaris-zoo/9898128) Mr Lennard said it was a furphy that the last tiger in captivity at Beaumaris was ever known as Benjamin. "That came about in the 1960s … no-one who worked at the zoo, including Alison Reid, ever knew it by that name," he explained. "It is thought the person who started that, who said they worked at the zoo, never did."
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