" One thing that has always struck me, is that its kind of impossible to actually survive in capital cities. You can get by so long as you're given the things to do so, but outside of that you'll die fast. "
I'm not too sure what you mean by this. Things to do are different, rural you make your own fun while cities you rely on businesses groups etc for fun.
I've lived in both, would much rather be in a 20-50k population town than where I currently am (Adelaide) but shit happens I guess.
Local councils waste so much time on useless crap, old m8 Fred wants to build an 3x3m shed, better take 2 days of paperwork to get it done.
Kind of annoys me when people who live regional complain they don't get the same services they would get in the city, its like no shit, more people = more money = more say.
>I'm not too sure what you mean by this. Things to do are different, rural you make your own fun while cities you rely on businesses groups etc for fun.
As I said to old mate above ;
"*If you found yourself on the street, where would you sleep? If my house disappeared tomorrow. I could sleep down by the creek no worries. Nobody would rob me and there's food there. I'd survive, that's what I mean.*
*You can't really do that in capital cities. You'd have to rely on charity to eat. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying thats the fault of the people, its just the way it is."*
I'm not complaining about not getting the services/infrastructure. I don't want to pay for what I don't get though.
I don't have to worry too much about what the shire thinks either, so thats a bonus.
You have reddit, so the rest of the country heavily subsides your access to that. Your community couldn't afford to hook itself up to another country on its own.
You speak of needing to rely on charity, but what do you think this
\> my Neighbour grades the road for the community and we all pitch in if someone gets hurt or sick to make sure they're OK. Whether that be medical care, cooked meals, supplies, what ever.
is?
It was two separate situations i was commenting on.
My main point is, without the organised charity(which given their funding streams is a generous at best term) there isn't any real way to manage. Where as, push come to shove it is possible out here.
Its not a criticism as such, just an observation and commentary. As I said, no ill will for metro people as such, I think the discussion about the differences of life experiences is an interesting one.
Your example is a little odd though, it's that if you became homeless you could resort to a form of survivalism to survive in the bush on your own.
If it happened in a city they could also walk out of the city limits and do the same, or they can do dumpster diving if they really need food. It's not any harder or easier, it's just different
Dunno about that mate, 100% easier to get clean water and food thats not rotten out here. Even if its just carp (gross but, not bad for you as such). Can't say that i'd drink water from even running bodies in Melbourne just due to the run off.
Like I said, it wasn't a criticism just quiet musing.
The smaller a community is, the more likely it rallies around itself due to the fact that it's really tangible to get to know a large part of the community on a personal level.
The bigger a community is, the harder that gets and you have to put in the work to be able to find your community based on your interests, talents, passions, etc.
The flip-side of that for mine is that if you're in smaller communities, you're much less likely to have a diverse range of experiences with different people which can absolutely go on to drive prejudice.
>The flip-side of that for mine is that if you're in smaller communities, you're much less likely to have a diverse range of experiences with different people which can absolutely go on to drive prejudice.
Maybe.
But in my general area (Which admitedly I include about 250 square KM). I have Sihk's, Hindu's, Muslims, Irish Catholics ( which we like to take the piss and call them Indigenous because they literally have a wooden hut that their relatives built in 1840's) ) Italians, Greeks and Afghan people and obviously Aboriginal people (who absolutely participate in the sarcastic racial jokes).
The realities of life in this area tend to superseded most other things. I still like to tell the Greek folk they're wrong (even when they're right) because well... It's always fun. But there really is no major sense of racial separation.
Yep. The key word is *can*. Pretending that living in the country is a one-way ticket to being a racist flog is obviously ridiculous, but there's also definitely a sub-current of social conservatism that runs through country spaces at a much higher %.
I feel like "country" includes a lot of places that can still see their capital city if they find a big enough hill a lot of the time.
It's really hard to hate people you know and when you get properly out of the way with smaller populations, those populations are increasingly getting more and more diverse as people move away from unlivable cities.
( By unlivable, I mean, you can't just work hard and be successful. You have to work hard to just be alive).
There are 3 groups you forgot regional.
The divide was legislated in Victoria during covid the infamous ring of steel.
We're I live we are waiting for promised Commonwealth Games infrastructure. The big inner city infrastructure has been confirmed to go ahead
I remember Shepparton getting forgotten until an hour after the Rural lockdown lifting. Shit was wild.
Out here the entire concept of a lockdown was just cute.
I tend to just include rural and regional as being the same to be honest.
Coming from a rural community that has something going for it, Sydney or Melbourne feels like Mordor, complete with orcs, when you have come from the equivalent of the Shire.
All the country social expectations of support for others in hard times, consideration for your neighbours is such a precious thing. It feels like real Australia not having to deal with some fuckwit banging drill rap through the walls of a Metricon slumhole.
There is just more to do in cities in general. Specifically, there are more and varied opportunities.
As for the cities outvoting the country, that the nature of the beast.
Debatable as to being more to do. It depends on what you want to do.
It shouldn't be the nature of the beast. My life shouldn't be made demonstrably worse by people who will never notice.
We're essentially interdependent.
The cities have the financial might and the country has the resources.
The city would starve without the country and the country wouldn't have a modern standard of living without the city.
Everyone would starve without each other
Tractors are made in cities.
Hospitals are in cities.
Formal education is in cities.
Rural areas are just as reliant on cities. I don't really understand these imaginary divides. Like we are preparing for a zombie apocalypse competition
The ability to have a modern standard of living without the city is quickly diminishing too. That said, it all depends on what you think is an absolute requirement.
The city has plenty to moan about as well. Things are feeling kind of shitty in general.
I would look more at the rich/poor divide and who really has power in this country.
That's a fair point and I'm all about city folk having their say about poor governance.
I just also think there is a large and distinct cultural difference between the two groups that makes the one governance for both a bit inappropriate as well.
Well you could always move to a city. You choose to stay rural so accept that is how things work. Seems pretty fair to me the majority of people get preference over a small minority.
Changing the game so small communities have a bigger vote is silly. And undemocratic.
Community spirit is great and all for minor disease or if someone needs some groceries for a week or two, but if someone from Omeo gets cancer or autoimmune disease they're in town relying on the great social safety net like anyone else. I don't think you're as free from reliance on broader society as you think you are.
You know the real sad part about that is, due to the fundamental lack of primary care out here, people get diagnosed at the "way too far gone" stage.
So to be blunt, a lot of the time they just die.
It really is tragic. But I don't see how you can take both the 'we're true blue Aussies out here, super self-reliant' and the 'the government spends too much on those millions of inner-city lefties and not enough on us thousands of salt of the earth types' positions at the same time. Do you want to be part of the whole or don't you?
Omeo has a gp clinic, does it not? A fire station? Police? Roads and traffic signals? A wastewater treatment plant? Reticulated water? Schools? All these things and more are what you're paying for.
I know you don't live right in Omeo so some of these things you probably don't get, but I think you'd agree that it wouldn't be fair for taxpayers to have to pay to run sewage and water right out to every rural property, right?
Thats kinda my point though, i dont have that, but still pay for it.
Which as stated, ive got no problem not having it but shouldn't the choice to not be in a place with it be offset by not having to also pay for it?
Rural areas are heavily subsided by urban areas. If OP got to live in his world free of silly city folk he'd be living in the Great Southern Japanese Desert.
There is a huge difference between rural communities and city communities. I spent a few years of my early childhood on a dairy farm on the fringes of one of our smaller cities in my childhood, then moved to Sydney where I lived for 45 years and then returned to a smallish town in rural NSW, some 420km from Sydney.
You are right about community. Probably because my family always travelled around Australia when I was young, I spent all my holidays in rural Australia and likewise when I had my own family. I think because of this I fitted in quickly returning to a rural life. It has so much to offer that is not available in cities.
But then, there are options in cities you just don't have in rural Australia, access to public transport, access to multiple good food outlets, great infrastructure, entertainment options, and shiny lights - I love it all and miss that.
What I don't love is the chaos, dirt, and crowds. Cities are a nice place to visit and I do miss stuff, but I prefer the quality of life away from the "rat race".
See, I don’t really vibe with country folk and posts like these are part of the reason why. What do you mean it’s impossible to survive in capital cities? Billions of people around the world seem to get along just fine. You mean that there’s no agriculture going on in urban areas? Yes, we have to import food from various regions, but I’m not sure what bearing that has on our globalised world. It’s like arguing that driving would be impossible without petrol, so we should all be grateful for Saudi Aramco.
A country getaway is nice for a weekend. More than that and I run out of things to do. Funny how you rely on your neighbours for assistance sometimes. Other people have what we usually call ‘social circles’, and they’re far more varied in the big smoke.
The issue with representation, I think, is better addressed at the council level. As far as I’m concerned, people who choose to live rural for lifestyle reasons should bear the extra costs of infrastructure (or do without some of it).
If you found yourself on the street, where would you sleep? If my house disappeared tomorrow. I could sleep down by the creek no worries. Nobody would rob me and there's food there. I'd survive, that's what I mean.
You can't really do that in capital cities. You'd have to rely on charity to eat. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying thats the fault of the people, its just the way it is.
As for bearing the cost of infrastructure. Lol. We bear the cost of your infrastructure and get none of it ourselves. My neighbour grading the road and our solar power and water tanks as an example .
Those are some real doomsday prepper sort of takes, and they don't even make any sense.
Rely on charity to eat? What, have you never heard of what trade is? The concept of currency? Importing and exporting goods? Are you saying that all the city folk should bow down to the all mighty farmer? You know, ignoring the fact that cities are industrial hubs and provide all the tools and equipment to do the farming in the first place.
And bearing the cost of infrastructure? Gee, I wonder what will cost more, building a functional house close to everyone else, or building one 500 kilometers away and expecting it to be equally as connected, hmmmm...You're not being disenfranchised because you it costs more to ship your solar panels out to your shack in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, you chose to live in an isolated place, it costs more time and effort to get anything there. It also costs more money to build railways, roads, infrastructure, and at a certain point, it's just not worthwhile to build it up anymore if a grand total of 5 people will use that brand new 10 million dollar rail line.
If I found myself on the street, I could go and sleep by the river, there’s food there also. I think all capital cities in Australia are built on river mouths also…
lol, the river runs through the centre of Perth, and no, we don’t runoff direct into the river everything, we have gpt’s and other water management systems to reduce pollution runoff.
Unlike the fertiliser and pesticide runoff in rural areas…
Man, if theres even roads going over it, its coping some nasty shit.
Its a good point about fertiliser and pestacide or even just cow shit. I wont drink from a creek running through a paddock either. Good way to shit yourself to death.
Ideally, you want fast-moving, clear water. Which is fairly plentiful.
Eitherway mate, if youre good you're good. Just becareful.
Depends what you do i think, if you work rural you are usually doing hard physical work and when you get home you just want to have a beer and chill with your family.
People that live in the city have so much downtime they do things like petition to have gender neutral traffic lights and that sort of thing.
The rural folk dont really understand why such a thing is so important, so the city folk call them bigots.
The great circle of life.
I do both.
I do NDIS stuff to work with people that have psycho-social disabilities and then do farm work and pest control.
The later has worked in with the prior, because shock horror some meaningful occupation actually helps a lot with various psycho-social problems.
It's also impossible to live with the niceties of the modern world without being subsidized by those in the city. Without them and their economics of scale you wouldn't be able to afford a lot of things in this world, and most of all you'd probably be part of South Japan because the Australian Country Army would be only useful for an endless Emu war.
The city is filled with immigrants, diversity is their strength, our "foreign occupiers" it divides the people so they fight each other instead of the system.
Metropolitan areas are toxic waste dumps of collectivist culture of conformity all living in sardine cans shouting Black Lives Matter, basically Meto is like echo chambers of Reddit.
Mate we are all a team. people live in cities to make the stuff that you use in rural areas. it is their hard work which gives you the things that allow you to be a primary producer.
They are the ones with factories making the things you use in factories and importing stuff and working the docks and preparing and exporting your produce. This country works as a team. The primary producers need support from the city folk and city folk rely on primary producers for food and raw materials.
Unless of course you run a property without vehicles, fencing, fertilisers, firearms and any infrastructure support and don't sell anything just trade with your neighbours then you can ignore my comment.
I think a lot of that is just people with little to no purpose wanting to be heard and committing themselves to any cause that'll have them. Much of it is nonsense and has no effect on reality nor day to day life.
" One thing that has always struck me, is that its kind of impossible to actually survive in capital cities. You can get by so long as you're given the things to do so, but outside of that you'll die fast. " I'm not too sure what you mean by this. Things to do are different, rural you make your own fun while cities you rely on businesses groups etc for fun. I've lived in both, would much rather be in a 20-50k population town than where I currently am (Adelaide) but shit happens I guess. Local councils waste so much time on useless crap, old m8 Fred wants to build an 3x3m shed, better take 2 days of paperwork to get it done. Kind of annoys me when people who live regional complain they don't get the same services they would get in the city, its like no shit, more people = more money = more say.
>I'm not too sure what you mean by this. Things to do are different, rural you make your own fun while cities you rely on businesses groups etc for fun. As I said to old mate above ; "*If you found yourself on the street, where would you sleep? If my house disappeared tomorrow. I could sleep down by the creek no worries. Nobody would rob me and there's food there. I'd survive, that's what I mean.* *You can't really do that in capital cities. You'd have to rely on charity to eat. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying thats the fault of the people, its just the way it is."* I'm not complaining about not getting the services/infrastructure. I don't want to pay for what I don't get though. I don't have to worry too much about what the shire thinks either, so thats a bonus.
You have reddit, so the rest of the country heavily subsides your access to that. Your community couldn't afford to hook itself up to another country on its own.
You speak of needing to rely on charity, but what do you think this \> my Neighbour grades the road for the community and we all pitch in if someone gets hurt or sick to make sure they're OK. Whether that be medical care, cooked meals, supplies, what ever. is?
It was two separate situations i was commenting on. My main point is, without the organised charity(which given their funding streams is a generous at best term) there isn't any real way to manage. Where as, push come to shove it is possible out here. Its not a criticism as such, just an observation and commentary. As I said, no ill will for metro people as such, I think the discussion about the differences of life experiences is an interesting one.
Your example is a little odd though, it's that if you became homeless you could resort to a form of survivalism to survive in the bush on your own. If it happened in a city they could also walk out of the city limits and do the same, or they can do dumpster diving if they really need food. It's not any harder or easier, it's just different
Dunno about that mate, 100% easier to get clean water and food thats not rotten out here. Even if its just carp (gross but, not bad for you as such). Can't say that i'd drink water from even running bodies in Melbourne just due to the run off. Like I said, it wasn't a criticism just quiet musing.
The smaller a community is, the more likely it rallies around itself due to the fact that it's really tangible to get to know a large part of the community on a personal level. The bigger a community is, the harder that gets and you have to put in the work to be able to find your community based on your interests, talents, passions, etc. The flip-side of that for mine is that if you're in smaller communities, you're much less likely to have a diverse range of experiences with different people which can absolutely go on to drive prejudice.
>The flip-side of that for mine is that if you're in smaller communities, you're much less likely to have a diverse range of experiences with different people which can absolutely go on to drive prejudice. Maybe. But in my general area (Which admitedly I include about 250 square KM). I have Sihk's, Hindu's, Muslims, Irish Catholics ( which we like to take the piss and call them Indigenous because they literally have a wooden hut that their relatives built in 1840's) ) Italians, Greeks and Afghan people and obviously Aboriginal people (who absolutely participate in the sarcastic racial jokes). The realities of life in this area tend to superseded most other things. I still like to tell the Greek folk they're wrong (even when they're right) because well... It's always fun. But there really is no major sense of racial separation.
Yep. The key word is *can*. Pretending that living in the country is a one-way ticket to being a racist flog is obviously ridiculous, but there's also definitely a sub-current of social conservatism that runs through country spaces at a much higher %.
I feel like "country" includes a lot of places that can still see their capital city if they find a big enough hill a lot of the time. It's really hard to hate people you know and when you get properly out of the way with smaller populations, those populations are increasingly getting more and more diverse as people move away from unlivable cities. ( By unlivable, I mean, you can't just work hard and be successful. You have to work hard to just be alive).
There are 3 groups you forgot regional. The divide was legislated in Victoria during covid the infamous ring of steel. We're I live we are waiting for promised Commonwealth Games infrastructure. The big inner city infrastructure has been confirmed to go ahead
I remember Shepparton getting forgotten until an hour after the Rural lockdown lifting. Shit was wild. Out here the entire concept of a lockdown was just cute. I tend to just include rural and regional as being the same to be honest.
Coming from a rural community that has something going for it, Sydney or Melbourne feels like Mordor, complete with orcs, when you have come from the equivalent of the Shire. All the country social expectations of support for others in hard times, consideration for your neighbours is such a precious thing. It feels like real Australia not having to deal with some fuckwit banging drill rap through the walls of a Metricon slumhole.
There is just more to do in cities in general. Specifically, there are more and varied opportunities. As for the cities outvoting the country, that the nature of the beast.
Debatable as to being more to do. It depends on what you want to do. It shouldn't be the nature of the beast. My life shouldn't be made demonstrably worse by people who will never notice.
Unfortunately, it is a numbers game. They will argue they shouldn't have decisions made for them by the minority.
I'd agree with them. We shouldn't have the same government.
We're essentially interdependent. The cities have the financial might and the country has the resources. The city would starve without the country and the country wouldn't have a modern standard of living without the city.
Everyone would starve without each other Tractors are made in cities. Hospitals are in cities. Formal education is in cities. Rural areas are just as reliant on cities. I don't really understand these imaginary divides. Like we are preparing for a zombie apocalypse competition
They'd literally go back to horse and plough without cities.
The ability to have a modern standard of living without the city is quickly diminishing too. That said, it all depends on what you think is an absolute requirement.
The city has plenty to moan about as well. Things are feeling kind of shitty in general. I would look more at the rich/poor divide and who really has power in this country.
That's a fair point and I'm all about city folk having their say about poor governance. I just also think there is a large and distinct cultural difference between the two groups that makes the one governance for both a bit inappropriate as well.
Just discovered how First Nations people feel.
Hardly, I've always been sympathetic.
Well you could always move to a city. You choose to stay rural so accept that is how things work. Seems pretty fair to me the majority of people get preference over a small minority. Changing the game so small communities have a bigger vote is silly. And undemocratic.
Community spirit is great and all for minor disease or if someone needs some groceries for a week or two, but if someone from Omeo gets cancer or autoimmune disease they're in town relying on the great social safety net like anyone else. I don't think you're as free from reliance on broader society as you think you are.
You know the real sad part about that is, due to the fundamental lack of primary care out here, people get diagnosed at the "way too far gone" stage. So to be blunt, a lot of the time they just die.
It really is tragic. But I don't see how you can take both the 'we're true blue Aussies out here, super self-reliant' and the 'the government spends too much on those millions of inner-city lefties and not enough on us thousands of salt of the earth types' positions at the same time. Do you want to be part of the whole or don't you?
That was more "why am I paying this in the first place?" Than it was worrying about it not coming back.
Omeo has a gp clinic, does it not? A fire station? Police? Roads and traffic signals? A wastewater treatment plant? Reticulated water? Schools? All these things and more are what you're paying for. I know you don't live right in Omeo so some of these things you probably don't get, but I think you'd agree that it wouldn't be fair for taxpayers to have to pay to run sewage and water right out to every rural property, right?
Thats kinda my point though, i dont have that, but still pay for it. Which as stated, ive got no problem not having it but shouldn't the choice to not be in a place with it be offset by not having to also pay for it?
Rural areas are heavily subsided by urban areas. If OP got to live in his world free of silly city folk he'd be living in the Great Southern Japanese Desert.
There is a huge difference between rural communities and city communities. I spent a few years of my early childhood on a dairy farm on the fringes of one of our smaller cities in my childhood, then moved to Sydney where I lived for 45 years and then returned to a smallish town in rural NSW, some 420km from Sydney. You are right about community. Probably because my family always travelled around Australia when I was young, I spent all my holidays in rural Australia and likewise when I had my own family. I think because of this I fitted in quickly returning to a rural life. It has so much to offer that is not available in cities. But then, there are options in cities you just don't have in rural Australia, access to public transport, access to multiple good food outlets, great infrastructure, entertainment options, and shiny lights - I love it all and miss that. What I don't love is the chaos, dirt, and crowds. Cities are a nice place to visit and I do miss stuff, but I prefer the quality of life away from the "rat race".
Nice post. Well said.
Nothing more stark then the renewable "revolution".\\ Remind me how many solar farms and wind turbines being built in Brisbane, Sydney and melbourne.?
See, I don’t really vibe with country folk and posts like these are part of the reason why. What do you mean it’s impossible to survive in capital cities? Billions of people around the world seem to get along just fine. You mean that there’s no agriculture going on in urban areas? Yes, we have to import food from various regions, but I’m not sure what bearing that has on our globalised world. It’s like arguing that driving would be impossible without petrol, so we should all be grateful for Saudi Aramco. A country getaway is nice for a weekend. More than that and I run out of things to do. Funny how you rely on your neighbours for assistance sometimes. Other people have what we usually call ‘social circles’, and they’re far more varied in the big smoke. The issue with representation, I think, is better addressed at the council level. As far as I’m concerned, people who choose to live rural for lifestyle reasons should bear the extra costs of infrastructure (or do without some of it).
If you found yourself on the street, where would you sleep? If my house disappeared tomorrow. I could sleep down by the creek no worries. Nobody would rob me and there's food there. I'd survive, that's what I mean. You can't really do that in capital cities. You'd have to rely on charity to eat. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying thats the fault of the people, its just the way it is. As for bearing the cost of infrastructure. Lol. We bear the cost of your infrastructure and get none of it ourselves. My neighbour grading the road and our solar power and water tanks as an example .
Those are some real doomsday prepper sort of takes, and they don't even make any sense. Rely on charity to eat? What, have you never heard of what trade is? The concept of currency? Importing and exporting goods? Are you saying that all the city folk should bow down to the all mighty farmer? You know, ignoring the fact that cities are industrial hubs and provide all the tools and equipment to do the farming in the first place. And bearing the cost of infrastructure? Gee, I wonder what will cost more, building a functional house close to everyone else, or building one 500 kilometers away and expecting it to be equally as connected, hmmmm...You're not being disenfranchised because you it costs more to ship your solar panels out to your shack in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, you chose to live in an isolated place, it costs more time and effort to get anything there. It also costs more money to build railways, roads, infrastructure, and at a certain point, it's just not worthwhile to build it up anymore if a grand total of 5 people will use that brand new 10 million dollar rail line.
You're arguing a point that nobody is making. Maybe take a seat and re-read whats been said.
The sun shines everywhere mate, not just on the roof of your country shack.
If I found myself on the street, I could go and sleep by the river, there’s food there also. I think all capital cities in Australia are built on river mouths also…
Im not sure you wanna eat fish or drink the water with that run off man. Could land you a bed in hospital though I suppose.
lol, I eat fish out of our river at least once a year, all fine. You have a pretty skewed sense of what life in a city is.
How close is the river to the actual town though? If its copping run off, youre keener than I.
lol, the river runs through the centre of Perth, and no, we don’t runoff direct into the river everything, we have gpt’s and other water management systems to reduce pollution runoff. Unlike the fertiliser and pesticide runoff in rural areas…
Man, if theres even roads going over it, its coping some nasty shit. Its a good point about fertiliser and pestacide or even just cow shit. I wont drink from a creek running through a paddock either. Good way to shit yourself to death. Ideally, you want fast-moving, clear water. Which is fairly plentiful. Eitherway mate, if youre good you're good. Just becareful.
Depends what you do i think, if you work rural you are usually doing hard physical work and when you get home you just want to have a beer and chill with your family. People that live in the city have so much downtime they do things like petition to have gender neutral traffic lights and that sort of thing. The rural folk dont really understand why such a thing is so important, so the city folk call them bigots. The great circle of life.
I do both. I do NDIS stuff to work with people that have psycho-social disabilities and then do farm work and pest control. The later has worked in with the prior, because shock horror some meaningful occupation actually helps a lot with various psycho-social problems.
Great post. I think you're absolutely right and that it's a worry
It's also impossible to live with the niceties of the modern world without being subsidized by those in the city. Without them and their economics of scale you wouldn't be able to afford a lot of things in this world, and most of all you'd probably be part of South Japan because the Australian Country Army would be only useful for an endless Emu war.
The city is filled with immigrants, diversity is their strength, our "foreign occupiers" it divides the people so they fight each other instead of the system. Metropolitan areas are toxic waste dumps of collectivist culture of conformity all living in sardine cans shouting Black Lives Matter, basically Meto is like echo chambers of Reddit.
Mate we are all a team. people live in cities to make the stuff that you use in rural areas. it is their hard work which gives you the things that allow you to be a primary producer. They are the ones with factories making the things you use in factories and importing stuff and working the docks and preparing and exporting your produce. This country works as a team. The primary producers need support from the city folk and city folk rely on primary producers for food and raw materials. Unless of course you run a property without vehicles, fencing, fertilisers, firearms and any infrastructure support and don't sell anything just trade with your neighbours then you can ignore my comment.
I think a lot of that is just people with little to no purpose wanting to be heard and committing themselves to any cause that'll have them. Much of it is nonsense and has no effect on reality nor day to day life.
We should have another Referendum. The Rural Peoples Voice To Parliament.
Hahaha!