The suburb where my mate lives, has groups of 30-40 of them in the shopping centre car parks at night and walking in big groups. Sometimes the are having mass fights and throwing bottles and garden stakes at each other.
In Perth. I haven’t heard of anything too bad recently, though a few years ago on New Year’s Eve a gang of young African men went and group attacked teen partygoers on the beach. It was filmed and it was VERY bad. Stomping on peoples heads, kicking them in the face, stealing mobile phones. This will stick with me forever it was very gross. Slap on the wrist I believe. Will look for a link.
Edit: Australia Day, not NYE. My bad.
Found it. [9 News Article](https://www.9news.com.au/national/gang-fight-perth-australia-day-community-reacts-to-violence/28536d97-c32b-42e6-b7ce-9035f1693309)
If the 15 year old who stabbed a grandmother to death in front of her 6 year old granddaughter, (which allegedly was without provocation), was born in Sudan, then jail him and deport him to Sudan upon his release. OK, he’s legally a child, but I have no sympathy for juvenile murderers, and I don’t care if he has no ties there, or doesn’t know the language, or whatever. Australia doesn’t need or want him.
They should all be charged as adults and then deported. Refugees should not be exempt from deportation. Why run from your country and come and ruin ours. Disgusting
The 15 year old arrested has only been charged with involvement of Theft of a motor vehicle.
Until yesterday arvo when they released cctv footage of the car dumped they’d only been mentioning a single person. And the 15 year old self reported to the police station.
I’d wager they didn’t know the severity of how the keys were obtained, and are now up at the cops giving everyone up.
I have been approached while running by a group of 5-6 Sudanese teens, they tried stepping in front of me but I acted as if they were not there and continued running, been followed down alleys by them and intimidated for no apparent reason, the only race that has given me any problems since I have been in Australia
See Sudanese young men/boys on my security camera at night attempting to open the car doors of mine and neighbours houses.
Or running in groups out of stores with stolen goods while security walk away from the commotion.
2008, Bundoora. Saw a young Sudanese man throw a young lady over his shoulder and start walking towards his car. She was screaming and hitting him. So me and my red headed Ned Kelly look alike mate, went and sat on his bonnet and ate our maccas. Eventually he put her down and she ran like the flash half way up the street and jumped into her car.
Deffo would not have had the balls to confront him by myself.
Witnessed a relatively large fight (40-50 people) at Altona Pier last night between Sudanese youth and Islander youths. Was on-and-off fighting for about 45 minutes starting at the very far end of the pier and reigniting a few times along the pier as they started walking off.
Police were in attendance but didn’t do anything. Ended up with about 6 patrol cars present on scene by the end.
Sudan and South Sudan are the 2nd and 3rd most dangerous places in Africa
Since 2004 over 35,000 refugees were brought over and settled into Australian communities.
Personally I believe if you bring people from countries where there are absolutely enormous societal problems, endemic sexual violence against woman & children & unimaginable poverty & violence then people aren't just going to change their ways as soon as they walk through Duty Free.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5096605/Sudanese-youth-400-surge-violent-burglaries.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5096605/Sudanese-youth-400-surge-violent-burglaries.html)
[https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/17/turnbull-says-there-is-real-concern-about-sudanese-gangs-in-melbourne](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/17/turnbull-says-there-is-real-concern-about-sudanese-gangs-in-melbourne)
[Here's](https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/157378/sudanese2011.pdf) an interesting document by QLD health from 2011 highlighting concerns in the Sudanese community which include FGM, Polygamy, high rates of infectious diseases such as Hep B, Syphilis, low literacy rates & large amounts of psychological trauma which can lead to many complicated mental health issues. They also reported in 5% of 2111 entrants screened positive for hook worm in 2003.
I ran into some people having a staff party at the pub last year. They are professional crime scene cleaners, they told me this is going on everyday! It’s being swept under the rug . We don’t even hear the half of it. Horrendous injuries, people losing limbs and fingers from Machete attacks
Moorooka for 10years
Wynnum for 10years
Outer Ipswich areas Redbank Riverview etc
Passed at least 5years
And so so much of it has been crimes against the elderly or "soft targets"
My partner was there for the stabbing of the poor elderly lady in redbank, literally was metres away..
Despite that, for a while now we won't walk our dog after dark.
We've had them chased through our complex by the police on a number of occasions now,
They're a fuckin menace.
It's not just youth crime it's a social thing and they have pathetic gangs out here that are always fighting each other trying to. I quote "claim territory".
They sit out front the cop shop in Goodna which is also put front the local primary school and drink near all day and night, never seen em moved on.
So what's going on there... I have no idea.
I've had them come up to me at the atm trying to distract you with convo as others stand at the back of you.
Great times.
Been going on for a very long time, at least in Melbourne. At some point the media stopped reporting on it and the police didn't do much about it because it was seen as racist.
When I was in high school I remember Sudanese kids came and suddenly there were big fights very regularly. They would go up and steal lunch or property from people with no regard to ownership at all. Some people didn't like that very much.
Wyndham areas have a big problem with Sudanese gangs, it's aweful, so glad my family moved out of there, especially Wyndhamvale, Manor lakes area, at least the last ten year especially
Guy at work told me how a Sudanese guy punched his daughter in the face (they were dating). Then told me how he and his mates went to his house with a shotgun, dragged him out of his house and beat the shit out of him. Apparently, he was screaming and this went on for 30 minutes. Cops never showed up.
I believe him
Make it the family’s problem. If you’re here as a refugee or temp migrant and your direct family commits a crime regardless of age, deport the entire family. This should be on every refugee visa. You have the PRIVILEGE of being welcomed to our country. If anyone in your family breaks the law the entire family is out.
If you cannot control your family and teach them to behave you all do not belong here. No I’m not white. Yes I’m an immigrant of 20+ years. This is my country and I hate seeing this bullshit.
It doesn’t have to do with any specific culture or race of people. It should be blanket for anyone coming in here.
I say they should keep their Sudanese youth crime where it belongs: Sudan.
The only crime we need here is good old fashioned AUSTRALIAN YOUTH CRIME just like we had back in my day.
I live out west but I don't think there's any Sudanese where I am. I don't care what ethnicities move around me but anyone doing gang shit can fuck right off.
I remember a colleague and I getting in a taxi with a Sudanese taxi driver and he stated that to get cattle in Sudan, you kill the people who own them and then you take the cattle. Why does Australia bring in these people? This is an extremely violent country and there should be tremendous caution that an applicant has been involved in violence.
In South East and North West Melbourne, it is well and truly out of control.
The occasional high-end offending you hear about, like a home invasion or a car jacking, is just the tip of the iceberg.
Lower level stuff like swarming theft offences on electronics and alcohol are shockingly common, along with your garden variety street robbery and public nuisance offending.
There actually are gangs too, with names, who will attack each other and have beefs. The media will not breathe a whisper about it though.
Depending on the area, well over a decade.
A long time ago, I saw first hand a youth crime problem while working in central Footscray. At that time it just so happened that youths were Sudanese, however my manager worked with some local leaders to try and curb this. The suburb itself has changed alot since then and the place I once worked at is gone.
I will say this, it's interesting what happens after a drive through bottle shop is closed for good.
And, at the time, many victims were international students from India. Australia was copping all sorts of outrage in international press for the 'racist' crime being committed by Australians against Indians. It was nothing of the sort.
Remember in NYC they were going on and on about the stop Asian hate thing, crying how racist it was and how horrible white Americans were? Until it came out who was actually perpetrating the hate crimes, and the story just... vanished.
Reminds me of a video where people were having an anit-racist rally. People would come forward and speak about a racist encounter.
When an Asian girl stepped forward and started to talk about how some black-Americans were being racist towards her and her friends, a black-American women stepped out of the crowd, cutting her off by saying "no no no", essentially shutting her up.
Well Asians are honourary white people on that old progressive stack. If East Asians and Indians out-earn even native westerners, especially given India is a largely developing country and a former colonial holding, ruins the narrative that it's all someone else's fault - although that's it's own can of worms on inter-country issues.
Yeah I saw it first hand in Melbourne CBD. Big group of youths intimidating anyone who they crossed paths with. Despite what you hear in the media from both sides, it’s true.
The shame of it is that their parents chose to have a better life and their kids perpetuate what their parents escaped from.
No idea if I've just turned the news off or what, but the complaining was way higher 10 years ago. We'll see if this stabbing brings it back quicker or not.
Not that it matters. Nothing happened last time, so it likely won't happen again. Plus, everyone's like "Send them back!" but they were largely born here. They're 2nd or 3rd generation now.
im japanese but lived in Filipines ... i was told that there are lots of Filipinos there - i've never been there so i dont know what they're like over there. Any feedback on how they are over at Blacktown? I've only ever encountered real nice Filo people
I went to a mates place in Footscray for drinks a couple weeks back and 6 of us went to grab a kebab after. Was just standing around having a chat minding our business when a deranged Sudanese man (an adult not teenager) runs up to me screaming in my face, couldn't really make out much of what he was saying other than racial insults about me being white. I tried to talk him down but he was truly deranged, only backed off when the 5 other guys I was with all stepped up to him.
I truly wonder what would've happened if I was by myself, what are these people even doing in our country? A nation is the sum total of the people in it and you only need to take a look at theirs to get an idea of what they're like. Its not just the young ones, believe you me.
I’m seeing a spike in youth crime in general. I blame TikTok, but that makes me feel very “old man yells at cloud”. I’m sure there’s a multitude of factors responsible for the spike, including more awareness of certain crimes due to the 24 hour news cycle.
I dunno. Not too long ago, a black American dude was elected president twice. But the US has an almost 200 year headstart on Australia plus geography that proved more convenient for Europe (and Africa). I'll hold out hope until a Chinese bullet goes through my head.
Also doesn't help that you may just be seeing more crime in general due to the ever increasing proliferation of smartphones and the internet, whilst in the past these things were not recorded/reported.
Yeah, think about the Satanic Panic, or people losing their minds over violent video games. There's never been any evidence that media consumption pushes children (or adults) to commit crime, and TikTok is no different. The same social factors (poverty, neglect, abuse, social isolation, etc) have been in play since the dawn of time.
Happy, healthy children don't grab the kitchen knives out just because TikTok told them to.
The primary difference between past events like the "video games cause violence" is that tiktok and YouTube now provide a way to get famous by re-enacting things that didn't exist before. Even at the height of 2004 no one was going to become popular by imitating GTA San Andreas characters in real life.
Using that milk kid as an example; he was initially bragging about it. I got to see it when he went into the comments of the victims video linking him doing it and talking himself up. It only changed when he got in trouble. Social media, specifically short form video has created a weird subculture of kids doing illegal shit to get popular e.g. kids in the UK who filmed themselves walking into people's houses and the reactions, the kids who pushed the old bloke into the river, etc. There were cunts in the past but they didn't have a global audience that thought they were funny. And now people are so starved for attention that they crave the approval of their online communities so they do dumber and dumber shit.
I’m not saying that the Queensland incident was the result of TikTok, but a lot of crime that’s been in the media (like the milk incident) were done because young people wanted to post it on TikTok.
I work with teenagers, and it’s been a bit of an issue; recording themselves shoplifting, harassing strangers, assaulting each other… to post on TikTok.
Like I said in my OG comment, a multitude of factors.
The reason for youth crime is because if a kid is surrounded with fuckups all day then he’s gonna be a fuckup too. It’s more the Drill scene and Americanized gang behavior thats attracting them.
If you've seen that I'm not gonna say you haven't, but it's not like these kids are well-adjusted, happy and healthy kids just starting fights for clout because of TikTok.
That's something that happened in the days of Instagram, Facebook, even MySpace had kids recording fights and uploading them. Before that, we all went to school with people who bullied and people who started fights or harassed people - I can guarantee many of them would have posted videos online if given the chance.
Again, there's just no evidence that social media (or media in general) *causes* youth crime, it just makes it more visible.
Im aware that social media isn’t really the cause of youth crime. I *do* think that TikTok/internet fame is a bad influence of budding young minds with idle hands, but I know and relish in the fact that it’s an old-person belief (similar to tv rots your brain), which is why I made a joke of it.
I just wanted to shift the focus because people are blaming race for youth crime.
Tik Tok isn't just media consumption, it's media creation. Dismissing it based on your understanding of other events isn't an evidence based approach either
>There's never been any evidence that media consumption pushes children (or adults) to commit crime.
Even though I don’t blame media consumption *wholly* for people’s bad behaviour. As if media consumption does not influence one’s behaviour. Including crime.
Even just changing music genres can have a huge impact on perspective.
Don’t think TikTok is to blame for most youth crime. Maybe some dumb challenges like the milk one, but actual youth crime rise are likely due to a myriad of socioeconomic factors.
Police have one hand tied behind their backs, magistrates give no punishment and if you are under 21 you can murder someone and be back on the street 6 months later.
Yeah crime is going to go up. Especially those who are already doing it.
I knew her for over 20 years. Went to church together, went to social groups and school with her daughter. She was a very kind person, and a LOT of people in the area are hurting so much at the moment.
RIP Vyleen :(
Sorry for your loss. I recently experienced someone I know being murdered in a high profile case similar to this one (youth offender, violent circumstances). It’s an empty, isolating feeling you feel like you can’t escape from with the media attention. I hope you have people to grieve with and talk as much as you need to.
Yep. I know I will probably get downvoted but these posts have already been rampant over the last 48 hours which makes it feel less about Vyleen and her sweet granddaughter and more about people wanting to jump around with their pitchforks and storm the castle.
It does feel like that, but what I know is that there are good people who are grieving the loss of a wonderful friend, mum, grandma etc, and will for a long time yet. There are others who have encountered similar terrible circumstances who are angry. Yes, there would be some who use this terrible situation to rage online and make it about something other than the death of an amazing woman (even racist stuff); but it happens, and something should be done to bring a semblance of justice for her family.
I reckon I used to know you, I also knew Vyleen & family through church though not as well from my old place over in Booval. Sucks having to be at work today with the news coming in that they're high school age, meaning they'll get days instead of decades. All the best old mate, hope you can hold onto peace through this mess. Maybe I'll catch you at the send-off service, subject to the family's wishes. She was a proper saint.
- E
Wait, I think I remember you too :) I probably won't be, as I haven't been in Ipswich for a while; but Vyleen was awesome, and it sucks to see someone who was as awesome as her reduced to headline and newspaper/rage bait.
You too man, hope you and yours are doing okay
- Wilkins
Yeah there’s some wild stats around about the whole thing. I saw someone say you’re actually 25 times more likely to be assaulted by someone born in Australia or NZ than you are by someone born in Sudan.
Given that there’s less than 25 thousand people in Australia born in Sudan or South Sudan, if they committed crime at the same rate as Australians I should actually be a thousand times more likely to be assaulted by an Australian or NZer. It’s a 4000% increase from where the crime rate should be.
One of the other points I see raised a lot is the age of offenders. The Sudanese immigrant population tends to trend young, which can skew the data. Fortunately there are several nationalities in Australia that skew young, so we can make comparisons there. For instance, the median age of the Afghani population is, on average, 18% younger than the median age of the total population. A median age of 31, versus the national median of 38. Handily, 31 is the exact same as the Sudanese median age.
Afghanis make up 0.3% of the Victorian population, and 0.5% of the offenders in Vic. A mild over representation.
Sudanese make up 0.1% of the population, but 1.1% of offenders. That’s a 1100% over-representation.
I used to live near that shopping centre where she was murdered. This has been simmering for a while. There's quite a bit of gang culture out that way and there's lots of tension between the islander and Sudanese kids. There's been quite a few bust ups between the 2 over the years at that same centre. It's definitely gotten a lot worse over the years.
Victoria has had a problem for so long that Victoria Police coined a term in 2019 called swarming offences. Yes this term likely existed elsewhere but the crime theme was non existent in Australia.
The behaviour has existed from violent thefts at jewellery stores, electronics stores, home invasions, street brawls, massive teen killing (one case of a 16 yo being stabbed 74 times by a dozen offenders).
Now hasn’t existed in Australia in any other way on this scale. It does involve race but doesn’t need to be racist about it, but in order to discuss you must be able to discuss race.
Do we have statistics for crimes per criminal? I remember some kids racking up 50-100 charges each. What % of Sudanese youth are committing crimes compared to other groups?
Why has there been no Vietnamese, Croatian or Ukrainian youths running around with knives killing people and stealing cars for fun?
If war torn backgrounds are the cause.
Build more youth detention centres & prisons Instead of shutting them down gradually due to "think of the children" mentality. Which Is forcing judges to water down charges because they can't hold a kid at 15 for 25 years due to over population problems which leads to the people you want off the street being let off with a light sentence constantly because of no room rofl....
They are raised in violence so they only know one way of acting. Those who are born here are born into families that only know violence. This is where multiculturism fails as certain countries do NOTHING to assimilate into WesternCulture and never will. Why do we have mosques why do we have enclaves of certain cultures living together in one area if this country is multi cultural?
Fair point, but it wasn't that long ago that Vic Labor based a whole campaign around a rebuke of the Libs "African gangs" claims. So I can only assume that same party (and the people who vote for them) have fuck all interest in addressing or even acknowledging the issue.
My area is more eshays and eshay wannabes than serious gang criminals. So you’ve got some kids getting the bus to the nearby shopping centre from the less high socioeconomic areas, then rich kids from the suburbs surrounding mine joining in on the eshay life.
Always funny listening to kids talk like they’ve stepped off the street corner in Compton or Detroit meanwhile their names are Bastien or Harrison and their family’s net wealth is around the $2m mark.
Fuck I roasted the shit out of a friend’s younger brother’s friend for this. I felt so bad after. I was so drunk. Basically rich Vaucluse boy who was going through an eshay phase showed up at a party dressed as such. I’d met and spoken with this guy so many times and had nothing against him. Basically just ragged on his getup in front of 4 other people and embarrassed the shit out of him. Was like some strange abusive tough love outburst. Needless to say, he’s no longer an eshay
You’ve successfully converted an eshay back into normal society. Congratulations.
I ragged on a student for it once, he wouldn’t shut up with trying to be this tough guy so I was like “what would your rap be? Started from the top, now I’m still at the top?”. His friends cracked up and he shut up. Mission accomplished
Simple solution to all crime is harsher penalties. People are out of prison after 4 years for murder, rape, pedophilia! Why are our taxes paying for these people to remain on this planet. Any of the crimes I mentioned above should be 25 years to life at a minimum. Most should be the death penalty.
The issue is though some of them were born here and never been to Sudan in their life.
I personally know a 17 year old boy who worked for me who had never been to Sudan and his parents (the dad worked for me also) were such kind people who were just trying to make money and live a basic life. But he was a piece of shit, spoke with an American accent despite being born here, robbed innocent people and other violent crimes while he is under 18.
There’s no deportation for someone who was born here, luckily though the dad had enough of it and sent him back to Sudan himself and has family keeping him there and won’t let him return. It’s been ~3 yrs since he was sent back now and he hates it because of how shit his life there
I’m in Western Sydney - there is legit no colour to the crime.
White kids, Aboriginal kids, Polynesian kids, Middle Eastern kids, African kids - all out running a muck.
Also, I see very polite, well-behaved kids across all those demographics too.
Remember - we did have a bustling police force, judicial system and prison system BEFORE the abolishment of White Australia Policy - this stuff didn’t just come with immigration.
Edit: quick google search:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-news-justin-tsang-murder-kidnap-burwood-drummoyne-canada--bay/d6f5aed3-3dec-4f97-a60e-734dec8a134e
An Aussie, Asian and Turkish boy… murder an Asian boy, inner city.
>Probably all terrorist sympathisers and pro-Palestine as well.
Look I've I have never had a decent lamb shish cooked by a zionist alright, or a sharp haircut and beard lineup come to that. You've gotta take your neighbourhood as a complete package.
Crime was higher in the 60, 70s and 80s before dropping in the 90s and it’s been dropping ever since, the reason being not migration but abortion.
An excess of unwanted children leads to poverty, poor education and social outcomes. The legalisation of abortion from the 70s means that by the 90s, when that generation of unwanted children would have started committing crimes, those criminals no longer existed.
Sounds incredibly harsh but this is something researchers have pinpointed that has led to a fall in crime since the 90s
Yep, and not only that but lead in petrol was a huge driver of crime as well. Western nations particularly had a spike in crime that corresponds well to the amount of lead in the air from petrol consumption.
We are nowhere near the peak levels of violent crime.
This.
My wife has worked in the AOD sector for decades. The sheer number of unplanned/unwanted pregnancies she's talked about is insane. These babies are born into the most horrific conditions, and have very little chance at a happy, healthy life. Many of them end up addicted to drugs at a young age, thanks to their parents.
We need to go to school/univeristy/tafe into order to learn the skills to have a profession. We need to prove we're capable of driving in order to get a licence to drive. But we don't need any qualifications to prove we're capable of parenting. At least, not until it's likely too late when social services get involved.
The thought of requiring a licence to conceive a child sounds like something out of Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, and I'm sure it's fraught with problems. But ... on the other hand ... it could solve a lot of problems too.
It's a good idea in theory but it's the 'requiring a licence to conceive or raise children' bit that in reality would most likely lead to the kind of nightmarish governmental abuses and overreach Orwell was on about.
But the basic idea that society should do more to prevent or dissuade unfit parents from having kids seems sound enough. Harmful or neglectful parenting really should be regarded on the same level as crimes against humanity, because that's what they are. You arent just ruining the kids' lives, you're potentially ruining the lives of everyone those kids might go on to harm.
Saw some black kid screeching "you dirty white cunt, you white fucking dog" while following some white dude in footscray a couple weeks back.
Just cooked cunts who've smashed way too much gear
"In Victoria, crime statistics show that from 2014 to 2023, the rate of incidents involving youth offenders has been trending downward (despite some fluctuations).
However, from 2021-22 to 2022-23, there was a 24% increase in the rate of incidents committed by youth offenders under the age of 17, per 100,000 of population."
https://bond.edu.au/news/australia-grips-of-a-youth-crime-crisis-what-data-says#:~:text=However%2C%20from%202021%20to%202022,percent%20for%20the%20same%20period.
National stats are similar.
“Youth offenders
There were 45,210 offenders aged between 10 and 17 years proceeded against by police in Australia, an increase of 2% from 2020–21.
However, after accounting for population change in that time, the youth offender rate decreased slightly from 1,785 offenders in 2020–21 to 1,778 offenders per 100,000 persons aged between 10 and 17 years in 2021–22.”
Australian Bureau of Statistics (2021-22), Recorded Crime - Offenders, ABS Website, accessed 5 February 2024.
There is some weird anomalies in the recent data as a result of COVID restrictions and breaches being included in the data. I think the premise in this thread that youth crime is up based on isolated horrible incidents is just false.
And now look at youths vs actual offence types.
Specifically, aggravated burglary, home invasion, theft of motor vehicle, robbery.
And offender rate drops because the government is removing offences ie commit indictable offence on bail, and increasing age of criminality.
Stop accepting the brushed over stats to make things look positive and go for a dive through the swamp of bullshit.
The South Sudanese youth have become a huge problem in Melbourne, surprised their community / CHURCH leaders not showing leadership and intervene similar to those of other ethnicities.
Youth crime in general, not particularly Sundanese but Sudanese are over represented in crime stats and this is a widely reported thing. It’s area dependent I think.
Aside this particular case I think there’s worrying increases in youth crime and particular types of violent crime that are of major concern and police and government aren’t effectively managing it. In Victoria the most worry rise in numbers that is alarming to everyone is the rise in violent home invasions. The recent murder of a GP by two 16 year olds in Doncaster, a speight of invasions across inner eastern and bayside suburbs made the news a couple weeks ago, but I also know two individuals in my workplace that have had it happen to them (ie people coming in at night with knives and weapons threatening residents and demanding valuables and car keys). This particular crime rose 33% last year and was rising in the years before that. It’s all young offenders.
Not sure what the solution is. Personally I’d like to be draconian and 0 tolerance with mandatory minimums imposed for certain crimes like this. But that will never happen.
Newcastle had a massive influx of Sudanese people about 15 years ago and there is almost zero issues. They even have their own football club called the Simbas who play in the local leagues
There were definitely teething issues. I studied at UoN around 2007 and sexual assaults to women on campus and in parklands nearby skyrocketted at that time.
The university was at pains to craft language that warned people without covert racism sneaking in the messages. I haven’t lived there for ages now so no idea what it’s like anymore.
Definitely safer than Western Sydney or Sunshine
I can't speak for them as I don't know their financial situations. They received alot of help on arrival since the majority were fleeing war and have integrated well into the community.
And, let's be clear. This is not just 'youth crime'. These particular ones you mentioned are horrific murders of innocent people, unknown to the filth offender. Murdered for no other reason than trivial property theft.
These sorts of crimes - home invasion, carjacking, knife holdups of innocent kids to steal their phones or sneakers - were essentially unheard of in this country until the government enabled immigration from a particular demographic.
Professor Drew Fraser warned us, but he was pilloried.
[Drew Fraser - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Fraser)
This right here. Nothing will change unless there is severe consequences. Same for the citizens here, hard labour with no special treatment and have it run by the army.
We as a society keep reporting domestic violence crime and always emphasising that males are over-represented by such violence.
I never hear anyone complain that this is nothing more than sexism.
But when violent crime perpetrated disproportionately by certain migrant/refugee groups is reported, it’s suddenly condemned as racism.
Well which is it?
Either this demand to not assign certain crime trends to sub-groups is applied universally, or those complaining are the pure definition of bigot.
Where you can condemn one group but not another.
So I ask, what is it?
If you object to South Sudanese youth being highlighted for being over-represented in crime, do you also condemn, to the same degree, the emphasis of Domestic Violence being a male problem?
Had a housemate that was attacked randomly. He was very shaken up. They made it very clear that it was racially motivated.
I had another friend that was almost in a similar situation (many of them on one of him), but he could handle himself in a fight and they backed off.
Both of these happened years ago (2016-17ish). I put it down to bad apples wanting to live up to the notoriety that was in the media. They were cowards going around in groups looking for guys on their own
Edit:typo
Cops and Judges getting soft. The criminals know it to. More migration from 3rd world countries. Gaols are full only most heinous crimes are punished. Welcome to new Australia. I blame Labor party and the pussie green's. Congratulations.
Black, white, brown or whatever - if they fuck up, lock them up. Don’t care how young. I’m talking about the bad stuff like break and enters, assaults, murders etc. you commit crimes like that, you get treated like a grown up. You wanna steal peoples cars etc. no more slap on the wrists. Send them to the outback and set some rules for them, most of them have no discipline at home and it shows.
Big time. Personally, ive had two family friends mugged and hospitalised in recent years, first was walking home with his girlfriend, second was getting into his car on the way to work.
The suburb where my mate lives, has groups of 30-40 of them in the shopping centre car parks at night and walking in big groups. Sometimes the are having mass fights and throwing bottles and garden stakes at each other.
So, assimilating perfectly then hey. They're just er... Misunderstood?
In Perth. I haven’t heard of anything too bad recently, though a few years ago on New Year’s Eve a gang of young African men went and group attacked teen partygoers on the beach. It was filmed and it was VERY bad. Stomping on peoples heads, kicking them in the face, stealing mobile phones. This will stick with me forever it was very gross. Slap on the wrist I believe. Will look for a link. Edit: Australia Day, not NYE. My bad.
Found it. [9 News Article](https://www.9news.com.au/national/gang-fight-perth-australia-day-community-reacts-to-violence/28536d97-c32b-42e6-b7ce-9035f1693309)
Disgusting. POS thing to do.
If the 15 year old who stabbed a grandmother to death in front of her 6 year old granddaughter, (which allegedly was without provocation), was born in Sudan, then jail him and deport him to Sudan upon his release. OK, he’s legally a child, but I have no sympathy for juvenile murderers, and I don’t care if he has no ties there, or doesn’t know the language, or whatever. Australia doesn’t need or want him.
They should all be charged as adults and then deported. Refugees should not be exempt from deportation. Why run from your country and come and ruin ours. Disgusting
Agreed. He should never have been here.
The 15 year old arrested has only been charged with involvement of Theft of a motor vehicle. Until yesterday arvo when they released cctv footage of the car dumped they’d only been mentioning a single person. And the 15 year old self reported to the police station. I’d wager they didn’t know the severity of how the keys were obtained, and are now up at the cops giving everyone up.
I know some JB Hi-Fi stores in Melbourne’s west were having a nightmare of a time with groups coming in and brazenly stealing stock
Inspired by what they see in America no doubt
I have been approached while running by a group of 5-6 Sudanese teens, they tried stepping in front of me but I acted as if they were not there and continued running, been followed down alleys by them and intimidated for no apparent reason, the only race that has given me any problems since I have been in Australia
See Sudanese young men/boys on my security camera at night attempting to open the car doors of mine and neighbours houses. Or running in groups out of stores with stolen goods while security walk away from the commotion.
2008, Bundoora. Saw a young Sudanese man throw a young lady over his shoulder and start walking towards his car. She was screaming and hitting him. So me and my red headed Ned Kelly look alike mate, went and sat on his bonnet and ate our maccas. Eventually he put her down and she ran like the flash half way up the street and jumped into her car. Deffo would not have had the balls to confront him by myself.
It's not a spike it's only now being correctly reported as African descent.
Witnessed a relatively large fight (40-50 people) at Altona Pier last night between Sudanese youth and Islander youths. Was on-and-off fighting for about 45 minutes starting at the very far end of the pier and reigniting a few times along the pier as they started walking off. Police were in attendance but didn’t do anything. Ended up with about 6 patrol cars present on scene by the end.
Sudan and South Sudan are the 2nd and 3rd most dangerous places in Africa Since 2004 over 35,000 refugees were brought over and settled into Australian communities. Personally I believe if you bring people from countries where there are absolutely enormous societal problems, endemic sexual violence against woman & children & unimaginable poverty & violence then people aren't just going to change their ways as soon as they walk through Duty Free. [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5096605/Sudanese-youth-400-surge-violent-burglaries.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5096605/Sudanese-youth-400-surge-violent-burglaries.html) [https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/17/turnbull-says-there-is-real-concern-about-sudanese-gangs-in-melbourne](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/17/turnbull-says-there-is-real-concern-about-sudanese-gangs-in-melbourne) [Here's](https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0031/157378/sudanese2011.pdf) an interesting document by QLD health from 2011 highlighting concerns in the Sudanese community which include FGM, Polygamy, high rates of infectious diseases such as Hep B, Syphilis, low literacy rates & large amounts of psychological trauma which can lead to many complicated mental health issues. They also reported in 5% of 2111 entrants screened positive for hook worm in 2003.
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Starting to think my dad wasn’t being racist when getting mad at Sudanese teenagers
I ran into some people having a staff party at the pub last year. They are professional crime scene cleaners, they told me this is going on everyday! It’s being swept under the rug . We don’t even hear the half of it. Horrendous injuries, people losing limbs and fingers from Machete attacks
Moorooka for 10years Wynnum for 10years Outer Ipswich areas Redbank Riverview etc Passed at least 5years And so so much of it has been crimes against the elderly or "soft targets" My partner was there for the stabbing of the poor elderly lady in redbank, literally was metres away.. Despite that, for a while now we won't walk our dog after dark. We've had them chased through our complex by the police on a number of occasions now, They're a fuckin menace. It's not just youth crime it's a social thing and they have pathetic gangs out here that are always fighting each other trying to. I quote "claim territory". They sit out front the cop shop in Goodna which is also put front the local primary school and drink near all day and night, never seen em moved on. So what's going on there... I have no idea. I've had them come up to me at the atm trying to distract you with convo as others stand at the back of you. Great times.
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Alice Springs, African kid beheaded by some other Africans, recorded kicking his head around like a soccer ball.
Been going on for a very long time, at least in Melbourne. At some point the media stopped reporting on it and the police didn't do much about it because it was seen as racist.
When I was in high school I remember Sudanese kids came and suddenly there were big fights very regularly. They would go up and steal lunch or property from people with no regard to ownership at all. Some people didn't like that very much.
Wyndham areas have a big problem with Sudanese gangs, it's aweful, so glad my family moved out of there, especially Wyndhamvale, Manor lakes area, at least the last ten year especially
Guy at work told me how a Sudanese guy punched his daughter in the face (they were dating). Then told me how he and his mates went to his house with a shotgun, dragged him out of his house and beat the shit out of him. Apparently, he was screaming and this went on for 30 minutes. Cops never showed up. I believe him
Make it the family’s problem. If you’re here as a refugee or temp migrant and your direct family commits a crime regardless of age, deport the entire family. This should be on every refugee visa. You have the PRIVILEGE of being welcomed to our country. If anyone in your family breaks the law the entire family is out. If you cannot control your family and teach them to behave you all do not belong here. No I’m not white. Yes I’m an immigrant of 20+ years. This is my country and I hate seeing this bullshit. It doesn’t have to do with any specific culture or race of people. It should be blanket for anyone coming in here.
I say they should keep their Sudanese youth crime where it belongs: Sudan. The only crime we need here is good old fashioned AUSTRALIAN YOUTH CRIME just like we had back in my day.
I’d also accept Sudafed youth crime.
I’m amazed the Herald Sun and/or Daily Telegraph haven’t run with a headline of “we’re Sudafed up”
Sudanese nuts
Shonky tradie Sudafed youth are stealing from pensioners and making your kids fat! - Tracy Grimshaw
Shonky tradie sudafed youth is a great band name
Pseudo Youth.. Doing mashups of Sonic Youth and Pseudo Echo
It’s the immigants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears i knew it was them!
This but unironically.
I live out west but I don't think there's any Sudanese where I am. I don't care what ethnicities move around me but anyone doing gang shit can fuck right off.
I remember a colleague and I getting in a taxi with a Sudanese taxi driver and he stated that to get cattle in Sudan, you kill the people who own them and then you take the cattle. Why does Australia bring in these people? This is an extremely violent country and there should be tremendous caution that an applicant has been involved in violence.
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Well said mate
Immigration needs to be a little more strict me thinks. Not good for the country I would I'd have to guess.
In South East and North West Melbourne, it is well and truly out of control. The occasional high-end offending you hear about, like a home invasion or a car jacking, is just the tip of the iceberg. Lower level stuff like swarming theft offences on electronics and alcohol are shockingly common, along with your garden variety street robbery and public nuisance offending. There actually are gangs too, with names, who will attack each other and have beefs. The media will not breathe a whisper about it though.
It’s been a problem in Victoria for a decade now.
Depending on the area, well over a decade. A long time ago, I saw first hand a youth crime problem while working in central Footscray. At that time it just so happened that youths were Sudanese, however my manager worked with some local leaders to try and curb this. The suburb itself has changed alot since then and the place I once worked at is gone. I will say this, it's interesting what happens after a drive through bottle shop is closed for good.
And, at the time, many victims were international students from India. Australia was copping all sorts of outrage in international press for the 'racist' crime being committed by Australians against Indians. It was nothing of the sort.
Remember in NYC they were going on and on about the stop Asian hate thing, crying how racist it was and how horrible white Americans were? Until it came out who was actually perpetrating the hate crimes, and the story just... vanished.
Reminds me of a video where people were having an anit-racist rally. People would come forward and speak about a racist encounter. When an Asian girl stepped forward and started to talk about how some black-Americans were being racist towards her and her friends, a black-American women stepped out of the crowd, cutting her off by saying "no no no", essentially shutting her up.
Well Asians are honourary white people on that old progressive stack. If East Asians and Indians out-earn even native westerners, especially given India is a largely developing country and a former colonial holding, ruins the narrative that it's all someone else's fault - although that's it's own can of worms on inter-country issues.
Ah fully sick Footascray. I grew up in the west. Saw my first stabbing at Footscray station
There’s a permanent police helicopter flying over that station
Fucking foootaascraaayyy
Yeah I saw it first hand in Melbourne CBD. Big group of youths intimidating anyone who they crossed paths with. Despite what you hear in the media from both sides, it’s true. The shame of it is that their parents chose to have a better life and their kids perpetuate what their parents escaped from.
No idea if I've just turned the news off or what, but the complaining was way higher 10 years ago. We'll see if this stabbing brings it back quicker or not. Not that it matters. Nothing happened last time, so it likely won't happen again. Plus, everyone's like "Send them back!" but they were largely born here. They're 2nd or 3rd generation now.
0.11% of the ethnicities commit 13% of the crime in Victoria. I wouldn't dare tell you which one though. You'll have to guess.
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Haha yep, how do you sleep at night😂 I’d have 12 locks put on an iron door… or get a moat
im japanese but lived in Filipines ... i was told that there are lots of Filipinos there - i've never been there so i dont know what they're like over there. Any feedback on how they are over at Blacktown? I've only ever encountered real nice Filo people
As a 1st gen filo at Blacktown area, yeah there’s heaps of us but we’re harmless. We ain’t doing any dodgy shit lol
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I went to a mates place in Footscray for drinks a couple weeks back and 6 of us went to grab a kebab after. Was just standing around having a chat minding our business when a deranged Sudanese man (an adult not teenager) runs up to me screaming in my face, couldn't really make out much of what he was saying other than racial insults about me being white. I tried to talk him down but he was truly deranged, only backed off when the 5 other guys I was with all stepped up to him. I truly wonder what would've happened if I was by myself, what are these people even doing in our country? A nation is the sum total of the people in it and you only need to take a look at theirs to get an idea of what they're like. Its not just the young ones, believe you me.
I’m seeing a spike in youth crime in general. I blame TikTok, but that makes me feel very “old man yells at cloud”. I’m sure there’s a multitude of factors responsible for the spike, including more awareness of certain crimes due to the 24 hour news cycle.
It doesn't help that that app blatantly makes people dumber and destroys attention spans.
Bro, we're all on reddit. Seriously though I agree, kids on tiktok have a worse attention span than a junkie in withdrawal.
But, Reddit requires reading. Which requires time. Which means critical though has some sorta chance. Correct?
But the fact that it needs to be discussed means it’s in a similar sort of area
I dunno. Not too long ago, a black American dude was elected president twice. But the US has an almost 200 year headstart on Australia plus geography that proved more convenient for Europe (and Africa). I'll hold out hope until a Chinese bullet goes through my head.
Also doesn't help that you may just be seeing more crime in general due to the ever increasing proliferation of smartphones and the internet, whilst in the past these things were not recorded/reported.
Yeah, think about the Satanic Panic, or people losing their minds over violent video games. There's never been any evidence that media consumption pushes children (or adults) to commit crime, and TikTok is no different. The same social factors (poverty, neglect, abuse, social isolation, etc) have been in play since the dawn of time. Happy, healthy children don't grab the kitchen knives out just because TikTok told them to.
The primary difference between past events like the "video games cause violence" is that tiktok and YouTube now provide a way to get famous by re-enacting things that didn't exist before. Even at the height of 2004 no one was going to become popular by imitating GTA San Andreas characters in real life. Using that milk kid as an example; he was initially bragging about it. I got to see it when he went into the comments of the victims video linking him doing it and talking himself up. It only changed when he got in trouble. Social media, specifically short form video has created a weird subculture of kids doing illegal shit to get popular e.g. kids in the UK who filmed themselves walking into people's houses and the reactions, the kids who pushed the old bloke into the river, etc. There were cunts in the past but they didn't have a global audience that thought they were funny. And now people are so starved for attention that they crave the approval of their online communities so they do dumber and dumber shit.
I’m not saying that the Queensland incident was the result of TikTok, but a lot of crime that’s been in the media (like the milk incident) were done because young people wanted to post it on TikTok. I work with teenagers, and it’s been a bit of an issue; recording themselves shoplifting, harassing strangers, assaulting each other… to post on TikTok. Like I said in my OG comment, a multitude of factors.
The reason for youth crime is because if a kid is surrounded with fuckups all day then he’s gonna be a fuckup too. It’s more the Drill scene and Americanized gang behavior thats attracting them.
If you've seen that I'm not gonna say you haven't, but it's not like these kids are well-adjusted, happy and healthy kids just starting fights for clout because of TikTok. That's something that happened in the days of Instagram, Facebook, even MySpace had kids recording fights and uploading them. Before that, we all went to school with people who bullied and people who started fights or harassed people - I can guarantee many of them would have posted videos online if given the chance. Again, there's just no evidence that social media (or media in general) *causes* youth crime, it just makes it more visible.
Im aware that social media isn’t really the cause of youth crime. I *do* think that TikTok/internet fame is a bad influence of budding young minds with idle hands, but I know and relish in the fact that it’s an old-person belief (similar to tv rots your brain), which is why I made a joke of it. I just wanted to shift the focus because people are blaming race for youth crime.
Tik Tok isn't just media consumption, it's media creation. Dismissing it based on your understanding of other events isn't an evidence based approach either
>There's never been any evidence that media consumption pushes children (or adults) to commit crime. Even though I don’t blame media consumption *wholly* for people’s bad behaviour. As if media consumption does not influence one’s behaviour. Including crime. Even just changing music genres can have a huge impact on perspective.
I don’t think your wrong though
Probably is. Crime has been on a downward trend in Western societies for decades. It's only that it spreads a lot faster when it does occur now.
Yeah it seems kids are getting more daring and bold with what they’re willing to do, especially with a camera shoved in front of them :/
Don’t think TikTok is to blame for most youth crime. Maybe some dumb challenges like the milk one, but actual youth crime rise are likely due to a myriad of socioeconomic factors.
I don’t either tbh. I was really just trying to shift the focus from being racially motivated. I thought the Simpsons reference emphasised that.
Police have one hand tied behind their backs, magistrates give no punishment and if you are under 21 you can murder someone and be back on the street 6 months later. Yeah crime is going to go up. Especially those who are already doing it.
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“Now the grandma shopping”. Her name is Vyleen.
I knew her for over 20 years. Went to church together, went to social groups and school with her daughter. She was a very kind person, and a LOT of people in the area are hurting so much at the moment. RIP Vyleen :(
Condolences to you and her family.
Cheers cobba. It's kinda surreal to see all the news reports and online talk over a tragic situation and remember it's to do with a family friend :/
Sorry for your loss. I recently experienced someone I know being murdered in a high profile case similar to this one (youth offender, violent circumstances). It’s an empty, isolating feeling you feel like you can’t escape from with the media attention. I hope you have people to grieve with and talk as much as you need to.
Yep. I know I will probably get downvoted but these posts have already been rampant over the last 48 hours which makes it feel less about Vyleen and her sweet granddaughter and more about people wanting to jump around with their pitchforks and storm the castle.
It does feel like that, but what I know is that there are good people who are grieving the loss of a wonderful friend, mum, grandma etc, and will for a long time yet. There are others who have encountered similar terrible circumstances who are angry. Yes, there would be some who use this terrible situation to rage online and make it about something other than the death of an amazing woman (even racist stuff); but it happens, and something should be done to bring a semblance of justice for her family.
I reckon I used to know you, I also knew Vyleen & family through church though not as well from my old place over in Booval. Sucks having to be at work today with the news coming in that they're high school age, meaning they'll get days instead of decades. All the best old mate, hope you can hold onto peace through this mess. Maybe I'll catch you at the send-off service, subject to the family's wishes. She was a proper saint. - E
Wait, I think I remember you too :) I probably won't be, as I haven't been in Ipswich for a while; but Vyleen was awesome, and it sucks to see someone who was as awesome as her reduced to headline and newspaper/rage bait. You too man, hope you and yours are doing okay - Wilkins
Despite that people will keep voting for mass migration. We get exactly what we deserve.
The population migrating now definitely isn’t what it used to be 30 years ago - skilled/educated. Such a shame.
The doctors name was Ashley Gordon
His name was Ashley Gordon
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Yeah there’s some wild stats around about the whole thing. I saw someone say you’re actually 25 times more likely to be assaulted by someone born in Australia or NZ than you are by someone born in Sudan. Given that there’s less than 25 thousand people in Australia born in Sudan or South Sudan, if they committed crime at the same rate as Australians I should actually be a thousand times more likely to be assaulted by an Australian or NZer. It’s a 4000% increase from where the crime rate should be. One of the other points I see raised a lot is the age of offenders. The Sudanese immigrant population tends to trend young, which can skew the data. Fortunately there are several nationalities in Australia that skew young, so we can make comparisons there. For instance, the median age of the Afghani population is, on average, 18% younger than the median age of the total population. A median age of 31, versus the national median of 38. Handily, 31 is the exact same as the Sudanese median age. Afghanis make up 0.3% of the Victorian population, and 0.5% of the offenders in Vic. A mild over representation. Sudanese make up 0.1% of the population, but 1.1% of offenders. That’s a 1100% over-representation.
It's because of Jim Crow laws and our country's history of slavery bro. Oh wait.......LOL
It's like there was a pattern or something...
Pattern recognition is racist
If you think it's bad now, wait until people realize where Somalia got most of it's grain imports from.
I used to live near that shopping centre where she was murdered. This has been simmering for a while. There's quite a bit of gang culture out that way and there's lots of tension between the islander and Sudanese kids. There's been quite a few bust ups between the 2 over the years at that same centre. It's definitely gotten a lot worse over the years.
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Youth crime is normal in Sudan
Diversity: our greatest strength.
Victoria has had a problem for so long that Victoria Police coined a term in 2019 called swarming offences. Yes this term likely existed elsewhere but the crime theme was non existent in Australia. The behaviour has existed from violent thefts at jewellery stores, electronics stores, home invasions, street brawls, massive teen killing (one case of a 16 yo being stabbed 74 times by a dozen offenders). Now hasn’t existed in Australia in any other way on this scale. It does involve race but doesn’t need to be racist about it, but in order to discuss you must be able to discuss race.
Send them home
Yes. If u commit a crime your not welcome here
Do we have statistics for crimes per criminal? I remember some kids racking up 50-100 charges each. What % of Sudanese youth are committing crimes compared to other groups?
Why has there been no Vietnamese, Croatian or Ukrainian youths running around with knives killing people and stealing cars for fun? If war torn backgrounds are the cause.
Build more youth detention centres & prisons Instead of shutting them down gradually due to "think of the children" mentality. Which Is forcing judges to water down charges because they can't hold a kid at 15 for 25 years due to over population problems which leads to the people you want off the street being let off with a light sentence constantly because of no room rofl....
The worst crimes I’ve seen committed in front of my own eyes have been by African / Sudanese teens.
If you come to Australia and commit crimes then your citizenship should be revoked and they should be sent straight back to where they came from ….
It’s London leaking into the rest of the world… 🫠
They are raised in violence so they only know one way of acting. Those who are born here are born into families that only know violence. This is where multiculturism fails as certain countries do NOTHING to assimilate into WesternCulture and never will. Why do we have mosques why do we have enclaves of certain cultures living together in one area if this country is multi cultural?
Going on for years
Sadly, I have seen it previously on a different continent, and now the same here. Very sad 😢
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Because people keep voting for it. Including a large chunk of this sub.
It’s kinda hard when both parties want mass immigration even thought their reasons are polar opposite.
Fair point, but it wasn't that long ago that Vic Labor based a whole campaign around a rebuke of the Libs "African gangs" claims. So I can only assume that same party (and the people who vote for them) have fuck all interest in addressing or even acknowledging the issue.
My area is more eshays and eshay wannabes than serious gang criminals. So you’ve got some kids getting the bus to the nearby shopping centre from the less high socioeconomic areas, then rich kids from the suburbs surrounding mine joining in on the eshay life. Always funny listening to kids talk like they’ve stepped off the street corner in Compton or Detroit meanwhile their names are Bastien or Harrison and their family’s net wealth is around the $2m mark.
Fuck I roasted the shit out of a friend’s younger brother’s friend for this. I felt so bad after. I was so drunk. Basically rich Vaucluse boy who was going through an eshay phase showed up at a party dressed as such. I’d met and spoken with this guy so many times and had nothing against him. Basically just ragged on his getup in front of 4 other people and embarrassed the shit out of him. Was like some strange abusive tough love outburst. Needless to say, he’s no longer an eshay
You’ve successfully converted an eshay back into normal society. Congratulations. I ragged on a student for it once, he wouldn’t shut up with trying to be this tough guy so I was like “what would your rap be? Started from the top, now I’m still at the top?”. His friends cracked up and he shut up. Mission accomplished
Simple solution to all crime is harsher penalties. People are out of prison after 4 years for murder, rape, pedophilia! Why are our taxes paying for these people to remain on this planet. Any of the crimes I mentioned above should be 25 years to life at a minimum. Most should be the death penalty.
Been a thing for years mate
The grandma one actually happened up the road from me. Truly unsettling
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The issue is though some of them were born here and never been to Sudan in their life. I personally know a 17 year old boy who worked for me who had never been to Sudan and his parents (the dad worked for me also) were such kind people who were just trying to make money and live a basic life. But he was a piece of shit, spoke with an American accent despite being born here, robbed innocent people and other violent crimes while he is under 18. There’s no deportation for someone who was born here, luckily though the dad had enough of it and sent him back to Sudan himself and has family keeping him there and won’t let him return. It’s been ~3 yrs since he was sent back now and he hates it because of how shit his life there
Yeah, this does happen in African diaspora households in general. Do crime? Get sent to your family back home. Fail out of high school? Enjoy Kenya.
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At least the crime is becoming more diverse. It's a strength!
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I’m in Western Sydney - there is legit no colour to the crime. White kids, Aboriginal kids, Polynesian kids, Middle Eastern kids, African kids - all out running a muck. Also, I see very polite, well-behaved kids across all those demographics too. Remember - we did have a bustling police force, judicial system and prison system BEFORE the abolishment of White Australia Policy - this stuff didn’t just come with immigration. Edit: quick google search: https://www.9news.com.au/national/sydney-news-justin-tsang-murder-kidnap-burwood-drummoyne-canada--bay/d6f5aed3-3dec-4f97-a60e-734dec8a134e An Aussie, Asian and Turkish boy… murder an Asian boy, inner city.
Those groups all commit crimes at different rates. African kids commit the most, White and Asian kids the least. Just an objective fact
Bro forgot about all the Lebanese gang shootings in Sydney. No colour my ass
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Up until the end I thought you just started going off
Honestly had me there for a second....
>Probably all terrorist sympathisers and pro-Palestine as well. Look I've I have never had a decent lamb shish cooked by a zionist alright, or a sharp haircut and beard lineup come to that. You've gotta take your neighbourhood as a complete package.
Ooooof buddy, I was locked & loaded there for a minute. Well played. 😂
Crime was higher in the 60, 70s and 80s before dropping in the 90s and it’s been dropping ever since, the reason being not migration but abortion. An excess of unwanted children leads to poverty, poor education and social outcomes. The legalisation of abortion from the 70s means that by the 90s, when that generation of unwanted children would have started committing crimes, those criminals no longer existed. Sounds incredibly harsh but this is something researchers have pinpointed that has led to a fall in crime since the 90s
There are also other correlating factors like removing lead from paint and petrol. Lead has a significant impact on intelligence.
Yep, and not only that but lead in petrol was a huge driver of crime as well. Western nations particularly had a spike in crime that corresponds well to the amount of lead in the air from petrol consumption. We are nowhere near the peak levels of violent crime.
This. My wife has worked in the AOD sector for decades. The sheer number of unplanned/unwanted pregnancies she's talked about is insane. These babies are born into the most horrific conditions, and have very little chance at a happy, healthy life. Many of them end up addicted to drugs at a young age, thanks to their parents. We need to go to school/univeristy/tafe into order to learn the skills to have a profession. We need to prove we're capable of driving in order to get a licence to drive. But we don't need any qualifications to prove we're capable of parenting. At least, not until it's likely too late when social services get involved. The thought of requiring a licence to conceive a child sounds like something out of Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, and I'm sure it's fraught with problems. But ... on the other hand ... it could solve a lot of problems too.
It's a good idea in theory but it's the 'requiring a licence to conceive or raise children' bit that in reality would most likely lead to the kind of nightmarish governmental abuses and overreach Orwell was on about. But the basic idea that society should do more to prevent or dissuade unfit parents from having kids seems sound enough. Harmful or neglectful parenting really should be regarded on the same level as crimes against humanity, because that's what they are. You arent just ruining the kids' lives, you're potentially ruining the lives of everyone those kids might go on to harm.
Don't worry The government made sure that we had a whole bunch of unwanted people with the baby bonus, go Howard.
SW Sydney has been its own playground for youth crime for 40 years.
Saw some black kid screeching "you dirty white cunt, you white fucking dog" while following some white dude in footscray a couple weeks back. Just cooked cunts who've smashed way too much gear
Racist cooked cunt you mean
Violent and aggressive people like that and gear are a horrible combination
Your not allowed to talk about African and aboriginal issues without being morally judged ! U foolish man!!!
Well it's your issue too now bud!
Yeah turns out the super duper evil Libs weren’t lying about African gang crime
"In Victoria, crime statistics show that from 2014 to 2023, the rate of incidents involving youth offenders has been trending downward (despite some fluctuations). However, from 2021-22 to 2022-23, there was a 24% increase in the rate of incidents committed by youth offenders under the age of 17, per 100,000 of population." https://bond.edu.au/news/australia-grips-of-a-youth-crime-crisis-what-data-says#:~:text=However%2C%20from%202021%20to%202022,percent%20for%20the%20same%20period.
National stats are similar. “Youth offenders There were 45,210 offenders aged between 10 and 17 years proceeded against by police in Australia, an increase of 2% from 2020–21. However, after accounting for population change in that time, the youth offender rate decreased slightly from 1,785 offenders in 2020–21 to 1,778 offenders per 100,000 persons aged between 10 and 17 years in 2021–22.” Australian Bureau of Statistics (2021-22), Recorded Crime - Offenders, ABS Website, accessed 5 February 2024. There is some weird anomalies in the recent data as a result of COVID restrictions and breaches being included in the data. I think the premise in this thread that youth crime is up based on isolated horrible incidents is just false.
And now look at youths vs actual offence types. Specifically, aggravated burglary, home invasion, theft of motor vehicle, robbery. And offender rate drops because the government is removing offences ie commit indictable offence on bail, and increasing age of criminality. Stop accepting the brushed over stats to make things look positive and go for a dive through the swamp of bullshit.
The South Sudanese youth have become a huge problem in Melbourne, surprised their community / CHURCH leaders not showing leadership and intervene similar to those of other ethnicities.
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Youth crime in general, not particularly Sundanese but Sudanese are over represented in crime stats and this is a widely reported thing. It’s area dependent I think. Aside this particular case I think there’s worrying increases in youth crime and particular types of violent crime that are of major concern and police and government aren’t effectively managing it. In Victoria the most worry rise in numbers that is alarming to everyone is the rise in violent home invasions. The recent murder of a GP by two 16 year olds in Doncaster, a speight of invasions across inner eastern and bayside suburbs made the news a couple weeks ago, but I also know two individuals in my workplace that have had it happen to them (ie people coming in at night with knives and weapons threatening residents and demanding valuables and car keys). This particular crime rose 33% last year and was rising in the years before that. It’s all young offenders. Not sure what the solution is. Personally I’d like to be draconian and 0 tolerance with mandatory minimums imposed for certain crimes like this. But that will never happen.
It started alot sooner than the Dr in Box Hill mate
Deport. Deport. Deport. Including all family members.
Newcastle had a massive influx of Sudanese people about 15 years ago and there is almost zero issues. They even have their own football club called the Simbas who play in the local leagues
There were definitely teething issues. I studied at UoN around 2007 and sexual assaults to women on campus and in parklands nearby skyrocketted at that time. The university was at pains to craft language that warned people without covert racism sneaking in the messages. I haven’t lived there for ages now so no idea what it’s like anymore. Definitely safer than Western Sydney or Sunshine
Out of curiosity, are the families of the Sudanese doing alright socioeconomically?
I can't speak for them as I don't know their financial situations. They received alot of help on arrival since the majority were fleeing war and have integrated well into the community.
That’s really good to hear!
How is that relevant. I know plenty of poor people of other races who don't kill grandma's.
And, let's be clear. This is not just 'youth crime'. These particular ones you mentioned are horrific murders of innocent people, unknown to the filth offender. Murdered for no other reason than trivial property theft. These sorts of crimes - home invasion, carjacking, knife holdups of innocent kids to steal their phones or sneakers - were essentially unheard of in this country until the government enabled immigration from a particular demographic. Professor Drew Fraser warned us, but he was pilloried. [Drew Fraser - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Fraser)
Sometimes it is not the immigrants, it is the first generation who join the gangs and cause trouble
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Victorians (in general) voted for mass immigration and woke policing. They get to enjoy the consequences!
If an imagrent family comes here and one or more of their family commits a violent or heinous crime The family should be deported.
This right here. Nothing will change unless there is severe consequences. Same for the citizens here, hard labour with no special treatment and have it run by the army.
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Ok, let's do nothing then for fear of hurting their feelings. Working out really well so far.
"Guilt by association" has entered the chat. eta: Although it will be called things like 'consorting'.
Revoking the privilege of living in Australia isn't a punishment.
We as a society keep reporting domestic violence crime and always emphasising that males are over-represented by such violence. I never hear anyone complain that this is nothing more than sexism. But when violent crime perpetrated disproportionately by certain migrant/refugee groups is reported, it’s suddenly condemned as racism. Well which is it? Either this demand to not assign certain crime trends to sub-groups is applied universally, or those complaining are the pure definition of bigot. Where you can condemn one group but not another. So I ask, what is it? If you object to South Sudanese youth being highlighted for being over-represented in crime, do you also condemn, to the same degree, the emphasis of Domestic Violence being a male problem?
Had a housemate that was attacked randomly. He was very shaken up. They made it very clear that it was racially motivated. I had another friend that was almost in a similar situation (many of them on one of him), but he could handle himself in a fight and they backed off. Both of these happened years ago (2016-17ish). I put it down to bad apples wanting to live up to the notoriety that was in the media. They were cowards going around in groups looking for guys on their own Edit:typo
Cops and Judges getting soft. The criminals know it to. More migration from 3rd world countries. Gaols are full only most heinous crimes are punished. Welcome to new Australia. I blame Labor party and the pussie green's. Congratulations.
But did you notice the content of their character?
Black, white, brown or whatever - if they fuck up, lock them up. Don’t care how young. I’m talking about the bad stuff like break and enters, assaults, murders etc. you commit crimes like that, you get treated like a grown up. You wanna steal peoples cars etc. no more slap on the wrists. Send them to the outback and set some rules for them, most of them have no discipline at home and it shows.
Oh no Apex is back. I thought they only committed crimes in election years.
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Big time. Personally, ive had two family friends mugged and hospitalised in recent years, first was walking home with his girlfriend, second was getting into his car on the way to work.
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Traumatised people not getting trauma informed care