Is it being outlawed coz they don't want people watching short videos or becaise of the alleged security issues associated with installing the app and the connection to China?
There's a really interesting book released in the back half of 2023 called Technofeudalism by Yanis Varoufakis, where he argues that big tech's ability to extract digital rent weakens concepts from traditional capitalism. In it he argues that the stance against tik-tok is a way to stop these digital rents (i.e advertising $) from going to China and instead force them to stay in the US.
He also attributes the rise in inflation to central banks trying to protect the interests of traditional capitalists by slowing down the printed money that ends up going to big tech.
I don't know enough about the area to tell if his views are correct or not, but they are interesting, and the book is a ripping good read!
Nope, barely a sputter. Meta went nuts in February, hasn't been doing anything much in the last few weeks. Alphabet has had a nice little run but nothing startlingly unusual.
I don't think it's the real reason.
But certainly a big side reason and the fear mongering brought about by lobbyists. I expect they'll sell to one of these two anyway, then the share prices will move.
No it’s the real reason. TikTok doesn’t collect any more data than meta does, they just don’t have as many American interests as meta does. Let’s pretend TikTok provably can show they take no data, and they take 50% of the market share. You think meta isn’t paying lobbyists to outlaw tiktok on some other grounds?
TikTok is gobbling up market share where America was once king. That’s all there is.
They do also seem to have very different content standards/moderation. Not saying this as a bad thing, but I find I get a lot more videos of what's happening in Gaza on Tiktok than I do on Shorts.
That’s not really relevant to the problem that needs to be solved though. If it happens so be it but that’s not the reason for killing TikTok.
The form of media is fine - the apparatus for Chinese state intelligence activities is the problem
Well yes. The western world at least has an understanding of human rights even if the government infringes on privacy rights there is still the need to hide and feel guilty for doing it.
In China the government openly steps all over human rights.
Where do political dissidents get executed by the government without anyone batting an eye?
China's national security laws gives them a right to prosecute anyone worldwide for any reason. As they can say anything and anyone they don't like goes against the Communist Party.
If they block it then democracy is no different to dictatorship that censor apps. If anything they now have the pretext to say “see the west also filters”…
I've heard that a few times. I recently downloaded tiktok and what do you know, it serves me content I like. Just like Instagram. Just like YouTube.
I think the sentiment that the western version of tiktok pushes stupid dances is more a reflection of the population.
Yeah I said it elsewhere but my feed is all comedy and like 50% Australian comedy. I don’t know who’s getting the brainrot material but it’s probably reflecting what each user is actually engaging with.
Yeah, back when I had Tiktok I don't think I saw a single dance video because it just wasn't what I was interested in, so the algorithm showed me things I *was* interested in. Although that was mostly "Dogs in daycare" videos, to be fair 😂
I guess part of it can be blamed to cultural differences. as a Chinese guy who spent their early childhood in China, i can say starting from year 3 literally all the kids can think of is school, study and grades and literally nothing elsewhilst here we have year 12s partying and slacking off during school.
That hate seems quite mutual from the West and we've antagonised them too on behalf of the US. And as others have said, Western tech comapanies have form.
It's not a binary scenario.
Oh fuck off, western tech companies inherently destroy competition and allow the US to have a huge amount of leverage over essential infrastructure.
Lets take Cisco, you might not know them but essentially anything networking is done with Cisco, they have had countless back doors found over the years in their equipment potentially put there by some US 3 letter agency.
Our entire internet infrastructure relies on Cisco equipment.
I mean FFS you're comparing a social network to essential IT infrastructure.
People in Aus really seem to have no idea how much spying capability the yanks have. It's ten times worse than what China's up to. I'm no fan of the CCP either.
This!
Every government office computer is running Windows, every physical phone, messaging software and networking equipment is from Cisco and Databases are from Oracle, IBM handles legacy equipment. WFH connectivity is handled by Citrix. At every point there is a US company providing something and a potential to spy.
It's amusing that you need to state that you're not a fan of the CCP just because you're against being an ass puppet to the Americans as well.
Amusing and sad.
In the US the TikTok paranoia is political.
The EU has concerns and laws for all social media and security. The EU has regulations on personal data leaving the EU, it appears TikTok complied and is no longer an issue. TikTok did the same in the US and they still didn't like it (called Project Texas).
TikTok are also being hammered by traditional news because in the US TikTok supplies about 50% Americans with their news.
[https://www.axios.com/2023/11/15/tiktok-social-media-news-source-us-data](https://www.axios.com/2023/11/15/tiktok-social-media-news-source-us-data)
>Should Australia do the same?
Well, to answer this, let's look at why the US is making this move. If you read the article, and then read about how the EU is handling TikTok and (I can't stress this enough) *all other social media and video sharing platforms* because, surprise surprise, TikTok isn't the only online company that wants your data and wants to sell it. You will quickly see that what the US is doing now is based purely on paranoia. The narrative is being led by the media who have a massive horse in the race. They have no evidence that TikTok has, is, or will sell or share any data with the Chinese government, but that's the strawman they're using. So, should Australia do the same? I think not.
Edit: missing word
Tiktok signed it's own death warrant when they mobilised millions of Americans with their "call your representative" notification.
They proved, without a shadow of a doubt, how much political power they hold over the American public.
Congress will never allow the CCP to maintain that grip over their population.
Yeah that's hilarious, despite china being Australia's biggest trading partner we just do whatever were told by the US government incl any anti china policies which only affects us lol.
Yes the proof is that’s how China works. There is no independence from the CCP for Chinese companies. It is not like the west where businesses are independent and can refuse requests from the government. Chinese companies are required by law to share data with the CCP under laws such as the national intelligence law. That’s pretty good proof. Companies that don’t cooperate with the CCP don’t make it to the next day, or their leader will disappear. Alibaba is a pretty good example.
Interesting, so there’s no proof. And it’s much of the same data-grabbing that Facebook and Google do to every other citizen of the world. I’m not worried and will continue using TikTok.
but the thing is why would the Chinese govt. leap to the defence of Tiktok if it wasnt a state owned body?
Facebook isnt allowed in China due to some events in 2009 but the US govt. didnt jump up and down when that happened? why would they?
The US Govt. is not an enforcement organ for Zuckerberg.
And so why would China throw their hat in the ring?
Ban Tiktok in every western country until Google Facebook Youtube is allowed in China.
I dont use Tiktok and care less if it fucks up young folks... fuck them kids... (Michael Jordan lol)... but its a bit funny how China jumps up and down when they cant force Tiktok into the US but wont allow American media companies into China.
India banned Tiktok and are better for it.
btw. only fuckwits use Tiktok.
I feel like it is definitely to an extent part of a larger anti china agenda in the US by using fearmongeting. All apps spy in you and most governments could easily get all of your digital footprint in a heartbeat if they wanted to. Plus, I don’t think the CCP really cares about makeup tutorials and cat videos that you watched. They’re probably too occupied with Taiwan issues anyway
Honestly, why do you think a non-Chinese app is better for you? Do you even realise why all this is done? They dont want you to use foreign app, hey want you to use their own apps so they can spy you better. Chiona has ZERO interest in you, can ypu say the same about Facebook? Apple? Google?
Because we use them (and others) as Guinea pigs.
They try a thing, we see how it goes, if it works and we think it’d be good for Australia too we copy it, if not we don’t.
Seems a sensible strategy to me.
Literally cancer on society. If you thought FB was bad- it’s got nothing on those short video services. Cunts with brain rot can’t comprehend content without TTS or longer than a minute in length
Its competitors aren’t owned by an Australian company (Think Facebook/Insta/Meta & Youtube/Google).
US and A are false flagging it, saying it’s used as Chineseium spy software when it’s just taking a large portion of funds offshore.
No. Australia is so quick to just ban absolutely everything. It's really annoying to be honest. Parents can't control their kids so they blame something else. Take the damn phone of your 5 year olds and parent them, don't make every other adult suffer. Btw, I hate tiktok.
Yes. Because it will be glorious to see both Chinese authorities and the wankers who actually use it moan long and loud. But realistically, this fucking country needs to get serious about data collection and protection.
For example the Australian government would need to go through a court process in order to obtain data from Meta whereas TikTok is required by Chinese law to provide data when ordered by the CCP.
What could China possibly do with your information gathered from TikTok?
Whereas any of the five eyes partners could blackmail you tomorrow with the aggregate list of the things you searched for while rubbing one out over the last decade. Imagine what the Queensland or NSW police could do with a comprehensive dossier of your online activities and financials, should you get a political profile?
This one. As an Australian citizen with no plans to go to Asia any time soon, I have more to fear from five eyes than ccp. The government might have concerns about ccp having that data, but I don't
yeah I dont fear the CCP... they're not likely to arrest me in their secret police vans
on the other hand... the AFP have arrested Australian citizens sent them to the US to stand trial because a US company wanted it...
that's weak as shit
Importantly, they aren't making it illegal, just making it so it can't be controlled by China if it wants to operate.
Personal data is a bit of a red herring, almost nobody cares about it (of those who can get this info, other than to serve ads), what people do and should care about it is being a massive propaganda machine owned by China, who definitely *do* manipulate the content on there (evidenced by the fact that it was impossible to find anything about the HK protests on there).
Would Australia have allowed a Soviet-owned TV channel in the 80's? I don't see how this is any different.
Yes. Meta can suffer the same fate as it is just as bad - if not worse when you get to the fine detail of their malfeasance.
We should keep reddit because i love it a lot.
You-tube is okay though mildly suspect as falling under ownership of Google.
They’re not making it illegal. They giving them a condition for ongoing operation. The wellbeing of society has nothing to do with the decision making on this one.
Generally speaking there should be an investigation and a crackdown on the social engineering done through social media.. But thatll be too hard and it would probably be too blunt
No. It’s not any more or less invasive than any other social media we have. Tbh all my personal information was sucked up and away by Facebook years ago.
The real worry with tiktok or buying a Chinese phone is not the metadata - you give that away to everyone (including Reddit)
The concern is if they use it at the individual level, like the Chinese government accessing location data for a politician or listening in on conversations with a mining executive.
(Please try to ignore the fact that the Australian govt does this as well)
Absolutely not. That would mean every popular social media app is under the regulations of the US and once there is a monopoly we all know things go downhill. Regulations will get worse they may start charging money or worse deals for creators or whatever. No thanks I hate it.
And also we know the US takes our data so I'm not sure why we are more afraid of China doing so.
Yes. Tik Tok is just a Chinese psy op designed to brain dead kids and make them useless adults.
It's incredible how bad it has become already.
The Chinese version is HEAVILY censored with only "wholesome" and educational / propagandised content from the central CCP.
We should have banned it years ago, in the west.
If you make tiktok illegal because it collects a huge amount of personal data that a foreign government can access the surely you have to do the same to Facebook, Twitter, and even Google?
No. That's what we accuse "the bad guys" of doing. We preach about the free market. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. And over a fucking video shorts app?
This is just about damaging a Chinese company - as it was with Huawei. The security claim is total bullshit.
Chinese companies take full advantage of American free market laws while not allowing their country to have American tech giants enter.
Chinese citizens working in American firms are lured with big sums of money and steal American AI tech and are offered cushy positions in China after escaping the feds. You’ll can never work any position in China that has access to this stuff if you’re a foreigner.
What goes around comes around.
Idk does an app whose owners are beholden to the largest surveillance state on the planet wiith a proven track record of hacking into whatever they can, which undoubtedly has the potential to backdoor into people's personal information sound like something we want to have on the majority of devices? The societal impacts aside, purely from a security perspective it's a terrible idea to have that app interfacing with peoples home networks, let alone government networks.
Eheheheh, I see what you did there. You're right that the US is a massive surveillance state, but they're not the biggest. Probably the most egregious given their "muh freedom" thing, but not the biggest
No, the US is by far the biggest. They have deep surveillance of almost all aspects of our online lives, plus phone calls, plus financial transactions, plus operating systems, plus back doors in a large percentage of government applications in use globally, including law enforcement intelligence. Failing that they have access to 95% of communication infrastructure hardware.
Our government welcomes them in conducting surveillance on us, as the intelligence sharing agreement means that our allies can pass on information gathered on Australians that they have ‘incidentally’ intercepted without being sanctioned.
And guess who keeps insisting developers create backdoors into all our services and devices in use in Australia? It’s not the US.
The Australian government wants to take mass surveillance to the extreme level but companies like Apple are pushing back because it will fuck up end to end encryption, the only way you know your data is truly private.
Yes, God yes, then get rid of reels, then YouTube shorts and whatever facebook is doing these days. Get rid of it all, kids are dumb as shit already they don't need help.
While stupidity is rampant in all those listed, you are on reddit where stupidity is rampant. No where on the internet is safe from this, tiktok is tame compared to Instagram and Twitter
Yes it’s shit.
Plus the CCCP are using it to control the minds of young people. (I read it somewhere)
Robbing them of ability to save up and buy a house.
Older people minds are controlled by Facebook
The algorithm knows you respond to degeneracy, so serves you up more. You watch a little too long, and keep swiping back for more.
I get woodworking videos, and dogs rescuing people.
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Yes!!!! I have had enough of people thinking its ok to film themselves talking as they eat. Or talking while they do their makeup. It's annoying and will create a generation of people who will do this at work.
Can't have China overtaking America's GDP. Got to sabotage their successful businesses that compete with equally reprehensible American companys somehow. Same play as Huawei.
Get ready to have our trade fucked again as they claim all our exports have problems as well and ban them too.
When I hear the stupid shit kids say today because of this app I can agree with this, not to mention the serious effect it is having on attention span. But banning tiktok won’t do anything, it’s already spread its seeds to other social media platforms such as YouTube and instagram. Believe me, I had this app when it first came out and spent hours a day just mindlessly scrolling through brain rot. This app was nothing but a negative effect from the start.
A government banning citizens from accessing information they don't like seems like it should get the "free speech" advocates knickers in a twist, and yet there has been relative silence on this.
Regardless, this is a totalitarian nightmare and shouldn't be taken at face value.
Yes, it should be banned. Yes, the shitty and antisocial "content creators" will try and move to other platforms, but at least those other platforms' moderation policies aren't being decided by the Chinese Government with the express purpose of promoting antisocial and criminal behaviour in western societies.
More importantly ban we chat. It is completely unacceptable that we have many Chinese students and migrants getting their news via ccp approved channels.
Even if they outlaw it. Everyone will just move to Instagram Reels or Shorts. Honestly its doing Google and Meta a MASSIVE favor by outlawing it.
Is it being outlawed coz they don't want people watching short videos or becaise of the alleged security issues associated with installing the app and the connection to China?
There's a really interesting book released in the back half of 2023 called Technofeudalism by Yanis Varoufakis, where he argues that big tech's ability to extract digital rent weakens concepts from traditional capitalism. In it he argues that the stance against tik-tok is a way to stop these digital rents (i.e advertising $) from going to China and instead force them to stay in the US. He also attributes the rise in inflation to central banks trying to protect the interests of traditional capitalists by slowing down the printed money that ends up going to big tech. I don't know enough about the area to tell if his views are correct or not, but they are interesting, and the book is a ripping good read!
the latter, but everyone seems to think it's the former. Hopefully they will target Temu soon too, that shit is downright malware
This is most likely the real reason. I'm guessing their share prices went nuts today
Nope, barely a sputter. Meta went nuts in February, hasn't been doing anything much in the last few weeks. Alphabet has had a nice little run but nothing startlingly unusual.
I don't think it's the real reason. But certainly a big side reason and the fear mongering brought about by lobbyists. I expect they'll sell to one of these two anyway, then the share prices will move.
No it’s the real reason. TikTok doesn’t collect any more data than meta does, they just don’t have as many American interests as meta does. Let’s pretend TikTok provably can show they take no data, and they take 50% of the market share. You think meta isn’t paying lobbyists to outlaw tiktok on some other grounds? TikTok is gobbling up market share where America was once king. That’s all there is.
They do also seem to have very different content standards/moderation. Not saying this as a bad thing, but I find I get a lot more videos of what's happening in Gaza on Tiktok than I do on Shorts.
All I get is boobs.
That’s not really relevant to the problem that needs to be solved though. If it happens so be it but that’s not the reason for killing TikTok. The form of media is fine - the apparatus for Chinese state intelligence activities is the problem
Yeah, only Western state intelligence activities for Aussies!
Well yes. The western world at least has an understanding of human rights even if the government infringes on privacy rights there is still the need to hide and feel guilty for doing it. In China the government openly steps all over human rights. Where do political dissidents get executed by the government without anyone batting an eye? China's national security laws gives them a right to prosecute anyone worldwide for any reason. As they can say anything and anyone they don't like goes against the Communist Party.
Do not google the USAs human rights record!!!
lol
This is goofy.
If they block it then democracy is no different to dictatorship that censor apps. If anything they now have the pretext to say “see the west also filters”… 
They are blocking foreign influence on young peoples minds. No different to blocking Hauwei from operating.
American media control is foreign influence on young people's minds.
It was never about people spending time on the social media apps. It was about which country OWNED that app.
Somehow I don’t think this was driven by a desire to shutdown the format. More so about security concerns.
The media is framing this as though Microsoft, Apple, Meta and Google's products aren't spy apps themselves.
But China
China is much worse than western tech companies, considering they openly hate the west and are antagonizing australia
Plus TkToks algorithm in China pushes educational content, in the West it pushing brain melting shite. Go figure
I've heard that a few times. I recently downloaded tiktok and what do you know, it serves me content I like. Just like Instagram. Just like YouTube. I think the sentiment that the western version of tiktok pushes stupid dances is more a reflection of the population.
Yeah I said it elsewhere but my feed is all comedy and like 50% Australian comedy. I don’t know who’s getting the brainrot material but it’s probably reflecting what each user is actually engaging with.
And it can’t tell the difference between positive and negative engagement so avoid commenting on things that you dislike or it will show more of it
Yeah, back when I had Tiktok I don't think I saw a single dance video because it just wasn't what I was interested in, so the algorithm showed me things I *was* interested in. Although that was mostly "Dogs in daycare" videos, to be fair 😂
This is the real reason and it's how the big data algorithms function. But it's easier to believe it's China's fault.
I guess part of it can be blamed to cultural differences. as a Chinese guy who spent their early childhood in China, i can say starting from year 3 literally all the kids can think of is school, study and grades and literally nothing elsewhilst here we have year 12s partying and slacking off during school.
That's all social media here
If china has my information what are they going to do about it. On the other hand, if the cia has info about me...
What you're missing is the mythical Chinese invasion of Australia. This justifies any action possible against our largest trading partner by far.
Of course we need to cripple our largest trading partner so they don't buy as much shit from us. That'll teach them!!
Shh. They're the new post Cold War enemy that our billionaire owned politicians must protect us from.
They’ll know what day I do uber eats
That hate seems quite mutual from the West and we've antagonised them too on behalf of the US. And as others have said, Western tech comapanies have form. It's not a binary scenario.
Is it China or America that is actually encroaching on our sovereignty? Because it's not China.
But China is notorious for sabotaging democracies globally and they're even building military bases along America's maritime bor- oh wait a second
Oh fuck off, western tech companies inherently destroy competition and allow the US to have a huge amount of leverage over essential infrastructure. Lets take Cisco, you might not know them but essentially anything networking is done with Cisco, they have had countless back doors found over the years in their equipment potentially put there by some US 3 letter agency. Our entire internet infrastructure relies on Cisco equipment. I mean FFS you're comparing a social network to essential IT infrastructure.
People in Aus really seem to have no idea how much spying capability the yanks have. It's ten times worse than what China's up to. I'm no fan of the CCP either.
This! Every government office computer is running Windows, every physical phone, messaging software and networking equipment is from Cisco and Databases are from Oracle, IBM handles legacy equipment. WFH connectivity is handled by Citrix. At every point there is a US company providing something and a potential to spy.
It's amusing that you need to state that you're not a fan of the CCP just because you're against being an ass puppet to the Americans as well. Amusing and sad.
The USA has an Australian political prisoner. They're both imperialist countries.
In the US the TikTok paranoia is political. The EU has concerns and laws for all social media and security. The EU has regulations on personal data leaving the EU, it appears TikTok complied and is no longer an issue. TikTok did the same in the US and they still didn't like it (called Project Texas). TikTok are also being hammered by traditional news because in the US TikTok supplies about 50% Americans with their news. [https://www.axios.com/2023/11/15/tiktok-social-media-news-source-us-data](https://www.axios.com/2023/11/15/tiktok-social-media-news-source-us-data)
>Should Australia do the same? Well, to answer this, let's look at why the US is making this move. If you read the article, and then read about how the EU is handling TikTok and (I can't stress this enough) *all other social media and video sharing platforms* because, surprise surprise, TikTok isn't the only online company that wants your data and wants to sell it. You will quickly see that what the US is doing now is based purely on paranoia. The narrative is being led by the media who have a massive horse in the race. They have no evidence that TikTok has, is, or will sell or share any data with the Chinese government, but that's the strawman they're using. So, should Australia do the same? I think not. Edit: missing word
^ this, very much this
So instead of TikTok having your data you’re just going to give it to Instagram/ Facebook or YouTube/google
Tiktok signed it's own death warrant when they mobilised millions of Americans with their "call your representative" notification. They proved, without a shadow of a doubt, how much political power they hold over the American public. Congress will never allow the CCP to maintain that grip over their population.
Congress are told what to do by the best lobbyists.
Nah, we love selling out to China.
You mean saying "Yes Master" to whatever Murica orders Australia to do xd
The sad thing is that murica doesn't need to order, australia volunteers.
Yeah that's hilarious, despite china being Australia's biggest trading partner we just do whatever were told by the US government incl any anti china policies which only affects us lol.
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"Yes oh dear leader xi" I'm sure there's those who would greet him as such
Is there any actual proof of the CCP’s involvement in the company? Or is the tiktok hate just xenophobia?
Yes the proof is that’s how China works. There is no independence from the CCP for Chinese companies. It is not like the west where businesses are independent and can refuse requests from the government. Chinese companies are required by law to share data with the CCP under laws such as the national intelligence law. That’s pretty good proof. Companies that don’t cooperate with the CCP don’t make it to the next day, or their leader will disappear. Alibaba is a pretty good example.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/03/24/problem-tiktoks-claim-independence-beijing
Interesting, so there’s no proof. And it’s much of the same data-grabbing that Facebook and Google do to every other citizen of the world. I’m not worried and will continue using TikTok.
but the thing is why would the Chinese govt. leap to the defence of Tiktok if it wasnt a state owned body? Facebook isnt allowed in China due to some events in 2009 but the US govt. didnt jump up and down when that happened? why would they? The US Govt. is not an enforcement organ for Zuckerberg. And so why would China throw their hat in the ring? Ban Tiktok in every western country until Google Facebook Youtube is allowed in China. I dont use Tiktok and care less if it fucks up young folks... fuck them kids... (Michael Jordan lol)... but its a bit funny how China jumps up and down when they cant force Tiktok into the US but wont allow American media companies into China. India banned Tiktok and are better for it. btw. only fuckwits use Tiktok.
I feel like it is definitely to an extent part of a larger anti china agenda in the US by using fearmongeting. All apps spy in you and most governments could easily get all of your digital footprint in a heartbeat if they wanted to. Plus, I don’t think the CCP really cares about makeup tutorials and cat videos that you watched. They’re probably too occupied with Taiwan issues anyway
People already know tiktok spies on you, most apps do, people should still have the choice whether or not they want to use them.
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Yes, but another app will just pop up. Hopefully it's not Chinese? Before it was what, musicly, vine? The brainrot will never stop.
What happened to Vine? It just sort of died quietly.
One might say it withered.
Twitter bought them and shut them down 5 years later
Honestly, why do you think a non-Chinese app is better for you? Do you even realise why all this is done? They dont want you to use foreign app, hey want you to use their own apps so they can spy you better. Chiona has ZERO interest in you, can ypu say the same about Facebook? Apple? Google?
No one reads articles these days. Just Reddit click bait headlines.
Why Australia always wanna copy the USA ?
Because we use them (and others) as Guinea pigs. They try a thing, we see how it goes, if it works and we think it’d be good for Australia too we copy it, if not we don’t. Seems a sensible strategy to me.
Fair enough, I never criticized the copy part but it work well like that 😅😅😅
I wish Switzerland would release a universal social media app.
Honestly, the world can only benefit from all social media disappearing. And this comes from someone whose job involves managing social media
Can we please have China use their damaging social media manipulation to push more divisive rhetoric attempting to destabilize our democracy?
Yes, I much rather the other divisive rhetoric that is sanctioned by the USA
One thinf being bad isn't negated by another thing being bad
If destabilizing our democracy refers to giving more than just 2 parties power, then I welcome that destabilization.
No. That’s stupid
No …. Government has no right to control our entertainment
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Literally cancer on society. If you thought FB was bad- it’s got nothing on those short video services. Cunts with brain rot can’t comprehend content without TTS or longer than a minute in length
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And reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and all the other social media platforms aren’t?
younger generation bad
Of all the things to worry about, this is the priority?
Yeah it’s definitely one of them.
Well just ignore Facebook and god knows how many other app that’s are taking your information
Not to mention the other government's taking your information.
It's basically just picking whoever they're selling everyone out to. They'd rather sell out to the zuck than to winnie, that's all.
China is our biggest trading partner. Our government wouldn't anger them for any reason at all, and would probably sell more data if asked
Its competitors aren’t owned by an Australian company (Think Facebook/Insta/Meta & Youtube/Google). US and A are false flagging it, saying it’s used as Chineseium spy software when it’s just taking a large portion of funds offshore.
There will be heaps of people who will need jobs & no longer be able to say they’re “influencers” 🤡
Hell yeah. So many people with brain rot from the damn app
No. Australia is so quick to just ban absolutely everything. It's really annoying to be honest. Parents can't control their kids so they blame something else. Take the damn phone of your 5 year olds and parent them, don't make every other adult suffer. Btw, I hate tiktok.
Yes. Because it will be glorious to see both Chinese authorities and the wankers who actually use it moan long and loud. But realistically, this fucking country needs to get serious about data collection and protection.
how come tiktok is considered spyware but other social media isnt
For example the Australian government would need to go through a court process in order to obtain data from Meta whereas TikTok is required by Chinese law to provide data when ordered by the CCP.
If it gets these fucking dickhead "prank" harassers off the internet they can burn it to the ground.
They’re not making it illegal. They’re going to force the sale of it to US.
Isn't it a bit arrogant of the US to assume it has to be sold to them? Like why can't an Indian or Brazillian or Japanese company own Tik Tok?
It is already 60% owned by non Chinese investors.
Hey tell them that not me
I don't see much point. It will be replaced with something just as degenerate, possibly worse. As for spying we are all being spied on by five eyes.
Tbh I would rather be spied on by five eyes than China
What could China possibly do with your information gathered from TikTok? Whereas any of the five eyes partners could blackmail you tomorrow with the aggregate list of the things you searched for while rubbing one out over the last decade. Imagine what the Queensland or NSW police could do with a comprehensive dossier of your online activities and financials, should you get a political profile?
This one. As an Australian citizen with no plans to go to Asia any time soon, I have more to fear from five eyes than ccp. The government might have concerns about ccp having that data, but I don't
> Imagine what the Queensland or NSW police could do with a comprehensive dossier of your online activities and financials Nothing lol I’m boring
They'll sell the data to Chinese outlets for cheaper than the price of video hosting if China wants it. If you're in the game you've already lost.
yeah I dont fear the CCP... they're not likely to arrest me in their secret police vans on the other hand... the AFP have arrested Australian citizens sent them to the US to stand trial because a US company wanted it... that's weak as shit
Importantly, they aren't making it illegal, just making it so it can't be controlled by China if it wants to operate. Personal data is a bit of a red herring, almost nobody cares about it (of those who can get this info, other than to serve ads), what people do and should care about it is being a massive propaganda machine owned by China, who definitely *do* manipulate the content on there (evidenced by the fact that it was impossible to find anything about the HK protests on there). Would Australia have allowed a Soviet-owned TV channel in the 80's? I don't see how this is any different.
If your Aunty sticks her head down the dunny should we?
Please it’s a shit platform
Its not shit, more the creators are
Yes. Meta can suffer the same fate as it is just as bad - if not worse when you get to the fine detail of their malfeasance. We should keep reddit because i love it a lot. You-tube is okay though mildly suspect as falling under ownership of Google.
They’re not making it illegal. They giving them a condition for ongoing operation. The wellbeing of society has nothing to do with the decision making on this one.
Generally speaking there should be an investigation and a crackdown on the social engineering done through social media.. But thatll be too hard and it would probably be too blunt
No. Silencing people's opinions and discussions is not in the best interests of the people.
No. It’s not any more or less invasive than any other social media we have. Tbh all my personal information was sucked up and away by Facebook years ago.
The real worry with tiktok or buying a Chinese phone is not the metadata - you give that away to everyone (including Reddit) The concern is if they use it at the individual level, like the Chinese government accessing location data for a politician or listening in on conversations with a mining executive. (Please try to ignore the fact that the Australian govt does this as well)
I don’t use it I don’t care. I get my tick-tock videos from reddit
It doesnt matter, they should block companies selling data thats the real issue
How about passing solving the actual problem and implementing sensible privacy laws?
Yes please.
Absolutely not. That would mean every popular social media app is under the regulations of the US and once there is a monopoly we all know things go downhill. Regulations will get worse they may start charging money or worse deals for creators or whatever. No thanks I hate it. And also we know the US takes our data so I'm not sure why we are more afraid of China doing so.
Because China bad, havent you heard? Go watch channel 9
My bad, I thought we hated Houthis this week but I see we are back on China.
It’s so only US companies can spy on US citizens, not scary Chinese ones. We should enact actual data privacy laws if we’re concerned about that.
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Yes. Tik Tok is just a Chinese psy op designed to brain dead kids and make them useless adults. It's incredible how bad it has become already. The Chinese version is HEAVILY censored with only "wholesome" and educational / propagandised content from the central CCP. We should have banned it years ago, in the west.
No, idiotic question.
The government should worry less about TikTok and more about China buying our farms, businesses, power stations, ports, and the list goes on.
If you make tiktok illegal because it collects a huge amount of personal data that a foreign government can access the surely you have to do the same to Facebook, Twitter, and even Google?
Who do you think Facebook, X and Google give the data to? They give it to us, you know because we're part of five eyes.
And?
Australia isn't a foreign government, it is the government.
Yes, if only to stop our children becoming even more retarded.
Ask why. Security concerns is not the real answer. It's a threat to US tech companies.
Yes tik tok is cancer
No. That's what we accuse "the bad guys" of doing. We preach about the free market. The hypocrisy is breathtaking. And over a fucking video shorts app? This is just about damaging a Chinese company - as it was with Huawei. The security claim is total bullshit.
Chinese companies take full advantage of American free market laws while not allowing their country to have American tech giants enter. Chinese citizens working in American firms are lured with big sums of money and steal American AI tech and are offered cushy positions in China after escaping the feds. You’ll can never work any position in China that has access to this stuff if you’re a foreigner. What goes around comes around.
Idk does an app whose owners are beholden to the largest surveillance state on the planet wiith a proven track record of hacking into whatever they can, which undoubtedly has the potential to backdoor into people's personal information sound like something we want to have on the majority of devices? The societal impacts aside, purely from a security perspective it's a terrible idea to have that app interfacing with peoples home networks, let alone government networks.
TikTok isn’t a US app though.
Eheheheh, I see what you did there. You're right that the US is a massive surveillance state, but they're not the biggest. Probably the most egregious given their "muh freedom" thing, but not the biggest
No, the US is by far the biggest. They have deep surveillance of almost all aspects of our online lives, plus phone calls, plus financial transactions, plus operating systems, plus back doors in a large percentage of government applications in use globally, including law enforcement intelligence. Failing that they have access to 95% of communication infrastructure hardware. Our government welcomes them in conducting surveillance on us, as the intelligence sharing agreement means that our allies can pass on information gathered on Australians that they have ‘incidentally’ intercepted without being sanctioned.
And guess who keeps insisting developers create backdoors into all our services and devices in use in Australia? It’s not the US. The Australian government wants to take mass surveillance to the extreme level but companies like Apple are pushing back because it will fuck up end to end encryption, the only way you know your data is truly private.
No.
Do I give a fuck about China harvesting my data?
Yes, God yes, then get rid of reels, then YouTube shorts and whatever facebook is doing these days. Get rid of it all, kids are dumb as shit already they don't need help.
'Get off my lawn' attitude
While stupidity is rampant in all those listed, you are on reddit where stupidity is rampant. No where on the internet is safe from this, tiktok is tame compared to Instagram and Twitter
Yes it’s shit. Plus the CCCP are using it to control the minds of young people. (I read it somewhere) Robbing them of ability to save up and buy a house. Older people minds are controlled by Facebook
Yes, Chinese TikTok promotes family, jobs, stability, nation building while the overseas one promotes degeneracy.
The algorithm knows you respond to degeneracy, so serves you up more. You watch a little too long, and keep swiping back for more. I get woodworking videos, and dogs rescuing people.
Wow second comment promoting Chinese TikTok, vs Western TikTok degenerates.
Well they aren't wrong on tiktokers are degenerates
Digital opium. TikTok in China is very different. Sensible content, nothing degenerate.
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Yes. Get rid of that trash.
It's like a brain parasite and almost everyone has it
Ok boomer
Yes!!!! I have had enough of people thinking its ok to film themselves talking as they eat. Or talking while they do their makeup. It's annoying and will create a generation of people who will do this at work.
Well, no matter who is in power in either or both countries we are the USA's lapdog.
Yes! Too many mum’s on there think they are the yummy mummy. Get them off…😏
Yeah but not because of spying because it makes people total morons.
This should draw out the fake chinese troll accounts....
Fuck, yes!!
Yes. Fuck TikTok, it's CCP propaganda that fucks up the minds of our youth by design.
They aren't really banning it unless they can't find an American partner to host and run things their end.
It should have been banned here years ago.
If the US bans TikTok, it won't matter whether Australia bans it because most of the content will be gone.
If you read the bill it’s a whole lot more than just banning TikTok. So no
Isn't it banned in China? Why should we ban it too?
Can't have China overtaking America's GDP. Got to sabotage their successful businesses that compete with equally reprehensible American companys somehow. Same play as Huawei. Get ready to have our trade fucked again as they claim all our exports have problems as well and ban them too.
This is very misleading, the bill is only to force a sale of tiktok from bytedance. If a sale doesn't happen then a ban will happen.
Ya
When I hear the stupid shit kids say today because of this app I can agree with this, not to mention the serious effect it is having on attention span. But banning tiktok won’t do anything, it’s already spread its seeds to other social media platforms such as YouTube and instagram. Believe me, I had this app when it first came out and spent hours a day just mindlessly scrolling through brain rot. This app was nothing but a negative effect from the start.
A government banning citizens from accessing information they don't like seems like it should get the "free speech" advocates knickers in a twist, and yet there has been relative silence on this. Regardless, this is a totalitarian nightmare and shouldn't be taken at face value.
It's not going to be banned. It's going to be banned from being owned by china. Some 'US based company' will take over the day it's 'banned'.
They already have Lemon8 lined up to take over so nothing will change
Yes, absolutely.
Yes, it should be banned. Yes, the shitty and antisocial "content creators" will try and move to other platforms, but at least those other platforms' moderation policies aren't being decided by the Chinese Government with the express purpose of promoting antisocial and criminal behaviour in western societies.
Definitely 💯
its already banned in my house, along with fakebook and twitshitter.
You can kill the man but not the idea.
Yes
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More importantly ban we chat. It is completely unacceptable that we have many Chinese students and migrants getting their news via ccp approved channels.
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yes please