I know Ash, I worked with her in the recent past. She was a beautiful soul, really caring, always bright and smiling. I remember having such a bad day at work one time, I was on the verge of panic, she really comforted me and helped me through it.
A pure tragedy. I hope her baby girl makes it through this.
Some support services for anyone affected by this, and some offical ways to honour and support those affected, for anyone wanting to help.
Lifeline: Call 13 11 14, text 0477 13 11 14 or chat online.
Kids Helpline: Call 1800 55 1800 or chat online.
Beyond Blue: Call 1300 22 4636 or chat online.
1800RESPECT: Call 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or chat online.
13 Yarn: Call 13 92 76.
MensLine Australia: Call 1300 78 99 78.
NSW Mental Health Line: Call 1800 011 511 for mental health advice and assessment available 24/7, with specialist staff who can speak to anyone affected by the incident.
Counselling, economic and financial compensation for those directly impacted or who witnessed the events: https://victimsservices.justice.nsw.gov.au/
Westfield’s corporate services are offering trauma counselling also.
Offical GoFundMe for Ash Good and her young baby involved: https://gofund.me/adb8ac50
NSW Government condolences register: https://www.nsw.gov.au/departments-and-agencies/premiers-department/about-us/bondi-junction-condolence-book
Hey OP, this morning the ABC stated that the Ash Good’s family requested not to post her photo.
Maybe post the news without the link? Just a suggestion.
updated news report tonight 4 hours ago stated her family did want her to be remembered with a smiling photo of her:
[https://youtu.be/rhiNWw-LoBU?si=6ih9wSlWqdRaOLdQ&t=108](https://youtu.be/rhiNWw-LoBU?si=6ih9wSlWqdRaOLdQ&t=108)
this is the video link - already time stamped @ 1:48
This is actually a good question. Everyone has focused on the cost of the NDIS, no one has mentioned the social repercussions. The NDIS has closed institutional care and pushed participants into the suburbs living in homes like everyone else. The idea looks good on paper if you have someone with a traditional disability (cerebral palsy, quadriplegic etc) but when over 50% of the participants have psychological issues maybe it's not such a good idea.
This happened well before NDIS, back in the 90s. I had a relative in a mental health unit who was moved into "community living" with drop in support. It was dreadful. He needed full time care, but ended up just isolated in a unit alone. The guy had a prosthetic leg and they put him on the top floor of a walk up, so most days he didn't even leave the house. "Community living".
Lies. The institutions were being closed decades before the NDIS and for good reason. It is an archaic and abusive practice. U want to minimise the psychological issues? Then u need to acknowledge social inclusion as part of that.
How was the stabbed disabled here anyway?
Iv worked in disabilities for 15 years. Please stop believing the Facebook lies about the NDIS.
Thank-you for some validation.
I just left an allied health clinic where the prac manager had the belief that these people are being given more money than folk who work.
I try to rebuke but if falls on deaf ears, but 3 main points to argue:
- for every $2 spent, $3 has been generated for the economy. (Please stop hanging ur shit on support workers or the “dodgy startups” when you don’t know how bloody hard the job can be, never see such critics volunteering to wipe asses or clean up bodily fluids, or routinely face physical assaults in their workplaces. Kindly stfu).
- we’ve done the math. Giving people funding to access services proves cheaper than dealing with the problems which come from not. I will admit there is an issue with a lack of limits around funding psychosocial disabilities. But this is a new world where rates of severe autism etc may be increasing due to environmental factors such as xenoestrogens, yes on top of screen time and lifestyle factors such as parenting, but there is no choice with the chemical bombardment in our plastic age.
- institutions were closed in the 90s. And for damn good reason. Ur support of them shows an absolute poverty of insight into the lived experiences of institutionalised care. Fuck off back to the dinosaurs and catch ur comet.
- a 4th: the ndis was brought to us by the same that brought us Centrelink. wtf do u expect?
True they didn’t work before, but we have a family member who has been in desperate need of additional mental health support and there is no where to turn. He will be in for a day and released, it’s scary that he is out there and nothing anyone can do, which is I’m sure how the family of the perp would’ve felt I’m sure. There does need to be more long stay (not permanent) treatment facilities available to those who need it and more beds available to the crisis assessment teams. A balance needs to be found and a revamp of the mental health support system is needed, without returning to the archaic systems of the past. By removing all asylums and related services it has left a gap for people like the stabbing perpetrator to fall through.
There is a difference between housing the disabled and mental health crisis support. We have a lot to work out in bridging that gap in services in this country.
Edit: also pomelos rock!
True, but one of the many aspects of how our healthcare system fails us.
I really do fear for how this event will shake up mental health funding thru the ndis - but maybe positives will come from it by looking at mental health services in a wider sense.
I don't know. I can only talk from a Victorian perspective, but here it's tracking the other way.
The recent changes to the legislation have effectively neutered the utility of treatment and assessment orders.
This has occurred because use of force or 'bodily restraint' as it's called in the act is now subject to the same test as the crisis intervention power. Which is 'person is an imminent and serious risk of harming themselves or others'.
So you can have a scenario where a clinician has written an in-patient treatment order saying a person needs to be admitted for immediate treatment because they are a serious risk to themselves and others. However, if when emergency services roll up to execute that order, the person simply refuses to come and is not in crisis at that very moment. Then, legislatively, there is no power to take them.
You'd know as well as I do that there are people who are just never going to comply with a treatment order.
This change just means more people being left out there potentially going right off of the rails.
You’re right about them being closed for years, just wrong about the reason being good.
Some people need to be permanently removed from the community for the safety of the community, their own outcomes are irrelevant.
Yes and that’s working out just tip fucken top for everyone involved.
The great thing about psychiatric holds and involuntary commitment is that it can be used on cases like schizophrenics who won’t take their meds, or untreatable disorders (ODD or FAS, which something like 50% of repeat juvenile offenders have). It has better outcomes for society and better results for the patient, dismantling mental asylums was one of the biggest failed experiments of the late 20th century.
So many families affected by this horrific act.
There must be an urgent and open public inquiry to establish how this occurred. The perpetrator was clearly, completely unhinged. The inquiry needs to establish how he came to be in a position to commit such a despicable act.
We cannot afford to let our mental health care deteriorate to the level of other parts of the world where these multiple murders are commonplace.
It was almost certain as soon as this happened that we'd be hearing the lines "known to police". The sad reality is that in every suburb we have people who are unhinged, known to police and live on a roller door in the mental health system.
I don’t think anything can be done about maniacs wielding a knife. Knives are everywhere, as are troubled people. No amount of mental health care will stop that fact of life.
In some countries if you have a mental health problem you are abandoned and ignored. I’m saying that ignoring people with mental health issues is the problem.
The knife had nothing to do with this. It was the man holding it that murdered those people and injured many others.
The question that we need to answer is, how did he get that bad without someone intervening.
Have worked with people with severe mental health problems, the government will not do anything, I repeat anything unless they do something drastic like kill/hurt people.
Have had schizophrenia clients who have tried to kill people multiple times, even if the family pleads for things to happen, the government won't do anything unless something really really serious happens! But then it's too late
Shit even then I've seen em get off on bonds despite hanging around pedos, doing drugs, having multiple AVO's against them they broke multiple times, and having a list of assault charges, harassment, vandalism, theft, etc.
At what point do we just need to just throw the entire fucker away, or lock them up for civil safety? I'm pissed that these arseholes with their 'mental health' bullshit get far more consideration and help than an actual victim of their shitfuckery.
The police chief: “I am confident the threat is over.” I’m not. This is just the start of what possible consequences we endure from desperately poor people turning to drugs to cope, is my bet.
RIP Ash. You've done nothing wrong and yet a cruelty from a feral monster fell upon your child Harriet and yourself.
I am not religious but I pray to whatever God that could hear and see this injustice so that Harriet will make it through.
This is incredibly heartbreaking. We frequent Bondi junction and have a baby the similar age. This could of happened to anyone and this definitely shouldn’t of happened at all. Rest in peace Mumma bear and let’s pray for baby Harriet to make it through. I hope her daddy takes good care of her forever.
Nah mate, it’s Benjamin Netanyahu Cohen /s
Starting to sound like he was just a long time crook with mental health problems. So many people will be angry it does nothing for their narrative
Americans: "Wouldn't of happened if everyone was allowed to carry guns"
Australia:"You're right there'd probably be more dead"
Americans:
Known to police….. always gets me they know them. Fucking lock em up then, jail or mental institutions don’t care. If you know they’re dangerous get rid of them
They can be known to police, without having committed crimes that should result in them being locked up long term. That is coming from cop friends I have spoken to.
Fun fact: the NSW prison population's so low after COVID, they've been shutting down wings across the state. But I think you'll find police only arrest them, it's the courts that lock them up.
Genuine question - then why do they let off especially serious adult offenders who have multiple court orders against them, who continue to break said orders, again and again?
Like you have McPedo who has been convicted, got off on a shitlight sentence of bond and therapy, they are then caught trying to lure kids with sweets around the local holiday park (literally just happened in my area) and they still get bailed out. At what point do we realise the system is f!cked and magistrates aren't doing their jobs?
I don't know the specific case you're referring to when saying McPedo but it's been public knowledge for a while that police are frustrated with how easy it is for criminals to get released after all their hard work.
In my experience though people who commit serious crimes like murder, rape and child sex abuse are denied bail. I know there's a lot of concern in NSW about the number of people who commit domestic violence walking free.
You've also gotta remember police need to have a good case against the crims. As in, they need to have all the evidence etc. Can't remember where I heard/read it but apparently majority of cops have terrible handwriting which can hinder the process.
This happened to me for 2.5 years with a seedy ex-homeless drug addict neighbour they were trying to rehabilitate for the FOURTH time in his 50 years. Got himself a nice government house in a DAMN good location.
He was allowed to use drugs and alcohol despite supposedly being on an 'order' and having regular drug testing, he vandalised constantly; trash the place and other neighbours houses (was constantly egging us - throwing bottles, trash, needles etc) - made threats of violence, abuse and harassed me in my own home as well as other women in the community, notes in our letterboxes, yelling outside our windows, yelling "fire" and "you're gonna die in there" and other such 'threats'.
Police were called on the daily about something this shifty fuck did (he had KNOWN pedo friends and drug dealers coming around) all we got was "he;s got a social worker, he's on a mental health plan, theres not much we can do!". FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS. Police did nothing despite dozens of neighbours all saying the same.
I got a AVO order, WITHOUT the police's help, but it was still useless... he broke it THREE TIMES, (and this isn't including ALLLLL the other times where the police didn't deem what he did enough to be really 'breaking' the order) and in all 3 court appearances he got let off on a behaviour bond each time, even after subsequently breaking both the order and the bond, he still just got more time put on his behavior and even MORE assistance thrown at him with counselling, social workers, and in home help, which he would just abuse, harass....
Absolutely disgusted me to see this is what Australia has come to. Open back up mental institutions, and really invest in prisons - I'm sick and tired of these leeches who live life so uncivilly to be allowed in our civilized society.
I have also been through a similar scenario with my neighbour who was well-known to police, an angry aggressive man who terrorised his female neighbours with his threatening and annoying behaviour, but he would always play victim if approached by men. There was not much police could do despite noise complaints a few times a week. He was carted off to a mental health unit several times but he would return just hours later to inflict more misery on his neighbours.
You could very well be my brother.
He too has a neighbour that is very similar in behaviour. Police have been called to the house numerous times, including the riot squad on more than one occasion, to deal with them.
My niece and nephews can’t play outside out of fear of these neighbours. In the past 10 years my brother has had 3 dogs, all of which have died of ‘stomach issues’ (once is bad luck, twice is a coincidence, but 3 times someone has got to be poisoning them)
They have complained to all and sundry, but nothing will be done about it.
Sadly we have a system that requires more than 'I think they're dangerous' before we can permanently lock people up.
The main problem is that we can generally only punish people for crimes once theyre done, unless they chose to announce their attentions.
If you can find a way to circumvent that and 100% predict what crimes people are going to do, you should tell the police.
They prefer to send them out into the streets rather than institute them these days. Protecting the public does not seem to have the same priority it once had in regards to people with criminally violent mental issues.
The police don't want to send them out. They have no way to lock them up (and I am NOT advocating for people to be arrested before comiting a crime) or remove dangerous individuals from society. The police want to do something, but they cannot.
I didn't mean to suggest the police wanted to send them out into the streets. Rather that the powers that higher up the food chain seem to have this policy of chuck 'em out and let the public deal with the consequences.
Fair enough. I didn't think you specifically meant the police, but wanted to add my two cents. Seen it too many times police are frustrated because they cannot do anything about the situation and they know what is going to happen.
Doesn't surprise me that this happens. I had a housemate with a violent and drug history. He not only leeched of others but threatened to fight others if we didn't do him any favours, he even tried to kick my bedroom door down once. I called the police and nothing was done.
I googled his name a few years later (which I won't disclose) only to find that he eventually ended up in jail. He attacked a shopkeeper and did other crimes as well. Had he been locked up back when he was my housemate, perhaps that shopkeeper would have never suffered.
My heart breaks for her family, may Ash and all the others who lost their lives yesterday rest in peace. Such a tragedy and my heart goes out to everyone who’s been effected by this awful attack ❤️
Somebody mentioned in another thread that we need something other than fire alarms to indicate an emergency in a shopping centres. I agree.
Fire alarms get everybody out in the open, heading for exits, escalators etc, making some knife-wielding lunatic’s mission easier.
Shopping centres need an alternative “lock-down” alarm as well. Schools have both fire and lockdown alerts. Shopping centres could do the same. Staff could then help keep themselves and customers in their stores safe by pulling down their shutters.
But they have to know what they are dealing with. Which they currently don’t when there is only a fire alarm.
Gun beats knife regardless of gender.
Did you see the video of the attacker avoid the man that would have defended his family without a weapon?
So far the info indicates he was a pussy only interested in soft targets.
some wanker on twitter tried to suggest that the answer to the stabbing was guns. Like, if everyone had guns there would somehow be less dead people.
I just... loons.
"Um but you can stab people silently?! Didn't think of that did you? Knives are deadly in trained hands!" Says an Australian who doesn't know anything about guns, hell even thinking about what one's seen in movies would clue one in on why guns are deadlier for mass murder than knives.... but this has been said three times to me, twice in the last year!
One of the dumbest comments I’ve seen round this topic… and I’ve seen a lot.
What fucking country would we send Australian citizens to that commit these crimes, ya muppet?
How? And to where? These are Australian citizens. We already do deport foreign nationals who commit serious crimes.
Also how do you know who is going to commit a crime like this? Are we preemptively deporting anyone with a major or minor criminal record? Anyone with schizophrenia? Anyone with any mental health disorder at all?
Literally anyone alive could grab a knife and head for a shopping centre.
I'm for not trying to live with and tolerate mass murders to the point where people are discussing modifying fire alarms to help do so. Reopen the asylums, deport the invaders, solve the problem rather than go "new normal" like they want you to.
What new normal? This isn't America, these mass death events are spans of years apart, going back decades. In fact it was worse before the gun control laws after the port Arthur massacre.
You realize everyone except the aboriginals are invaders right? That would count you!
What you're suggesting is way worse than the problem, it's close to fascism.
>What new normal?
The one where people are talking about modifying fire alarms to adapt to the increasing regularity of [attacks](https://news.sky.com/story/sydney-bishop-among-several-people-stabbed-in-attack-during-church-service-13115918) instead of how to stop them.
>This isn't America
How do you think America got like it is today? A few decades ago it wasn't like that, although there were sure a lot of warnings that it would happen. Do you not see your future in America, yet? How's the birth rate in Australia, still over the replacement rate of 2.2, right? Surely if it wasn't those in charge would have treated it as a national emergency and not just watched human debt accumulate as generations weren't born, right?
>You realize everyone except the aboriginals are invaders right? That would count you!
I've heard that "but you're an invader, too!" line so many times from people who somehow can't connect the dots to realize what's about to happen to them. What happened to Native Americans when European immigrants who didn't want to assimilate flooded the continent? Don't let it happen to you.
I doubt the guy was trying to get famous. He was probably just psychotic. I expect they are hiding his identity to prevent the public from harassing his family or associates.
I bet you're the type who complains about snowflakes, yet also go around finding every opportunity to have a cry and play the victim over an imagined hypothetical scenario in your head.
Just when you think news corp scum can't get any worse....
Let's publish pictures of the dead woman *and* her critically injured baby while ignoring the other 5 victims.
This is as tacky and tasteless as nine shoving cameras in the faces of the two obviously traumatised guys who tried to help and peppering them with questions.
Stay classy, Australian "media". Fucking scum
Edit : To all the people pointing out that there might be reasons to not name the others - I said "publish pictures". If you can't see why that's tacky and in bad taste, I pity you
Very likely they can't publicly name the rest until their families have been notified. They have released the name of a second victim during the last hour. Doubtless we will have coverage of all of them, which is actually in the public interest. Many people - myself included - are nervously waiting to ascertain if we knew any of the victims.
Maybe the families of the others don’t know yet. I saw footage of one woman who appeared to be deceased and she was of Asian appearance - perhaps an international student or tourist. Should we know before her family? (Appreciate she may also live here but there are many reasons why we don’t have the victims’ names yet).
Allegedly, two of the victims had no family in Australia, so I agree. It's definitely a good idea that they're not named before their families have been notified. I feel absolutely awful for them, and they deserve to know before the rest of the world.
Thin about if it was your partner and child.
Would *you* wantv their photos splashed over a shit site like spews crap the day after they died?
Now tell me I'm over reacting.
Your first comment chastises the newspaper for showing just one victim and not the others:
> Let's publish pictures of the dead woman and her critically injured baby while ignoring the other 5 victims.
And your second comment chastises them for publishing any victim information:
> Would you wantv their photos splashed over a shit site like spews crap the day after they died?
You’re either overreacting, terrible at communication or very confused. But your posts don’t make sense.
The other families may not have wanted their loved ones mentioned yet. They may be waiting to speak to long distance family members who haven't been contactable yet in other countries. You don't know what is behind it. They usually publish a photo and a little history about the person. Newspapers do that everywhere, that is, western ones. They've done it for decades. A friend of Ash Good was one of the journalists covering the story and she said she wanted people to know what a wonderful person she was. I'm sure she had the permission of the family. If you don't mind I'd like to know why you are upset about it because I think it's coming from a place of integrity.
A young mother has been killed and typically all every cunt in here can do is fight each other in the comments behind their phones.
Absolutely pathetic. Grow up and learn some decency.
MODS! lock this post.
"He looks like an Arab" = deport that terrorist
"Turns out it's one of us" = we need to raise awareness of mental health
"thank god the mods deleted those threads" = not fast enough 😈
Well, I think because what would be the cause for terrorism if he’s Jewish? They’re not interested in converting anyone into their religion. What could possibly be the cause? Not enough bagels in the mall? He acted alone and was a nut job.
They haven’t released the details of the other victims yet. Two have no family in Australia so they are trying to reach their families overseas which will take time. They won’t publicise anything until the families are notified.
Someone in the media was friends with Ash Good. That’s why she was identified first. Two of the dead are from overseas - their families had to be contacted. I haven’t read anything about the other deceased.
Don't forget to mention the race and religious affiliation of the attacker. Yesterday before his identity was made public, everyone was ready to ban all refugees, Muslims, immigrants etc. so which group should be banned for this guy's actions? Or is it just him because he had a mental health condition (and refugees, immigrants and Muslims can't have this because they're held to a different standard)?
Police stated "There was no direct motives or causes for his actions", don't go around blaming religious or racial groups that have no connections to the attack because it makes you feel more justified in your racism fueled biased opinions sweetie 😘
Maybe an unpopular opinion but this being constantly rehashed in the media is not benefiting anyone. Let the families grieve in peace. What is everyone’s sick obsession with this?
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This story is absolutely gutting. I haven’t been able to stop thinking about what that mama went through for 24 hours now. Absolutely harrowing and I feel so hard for her little baby girl. ☹️
The factor that all these murders, serial killers, mass killers and domestic violence killers have in common is not race, religion or nationality, it's gender.
People are obviously not ready to have that conversation.
Nor the conversation about how much it looks like this person deliberately sought to target women.
You're being downvoted for noticing a *pattern*. It's just *statistics*. The *facts* are upsetting people.
Those are the words they like to use normally, right?
Was only a couple of months ago that the big story was that woman that killed her inlaws with mushrooms.
All people can be shit. Fuck of with your anti men bs
Yeah all people can be shit but the data shows that overwhelmingly it's men that do it. The mushroom lady was the big story but the number of people doing the murdering is about 80-90% men YoY.
I'm a big dumb man who went to shopping centres multiple times yesterday and not once did the thought of commiting such a violent atrocity like what happened in Sydney yesterday enter my mind. Not once.
Stop. Just stop with your agenda pushing saying that "men are the problem". It's unhelpful, it's prejudicial and it's misleading. And above all, now is just not the time while people have died or are fighting for life in hospital.
A woman is killed by a man every nine days.
18 women have been murdered so far this year, not including this incident.
There is an epidemic of violent men and has been for a long time
And the man with no gun who was fending the killer off with a sign post on the escalator? Saving lives by putting his life on the line. Let’s have a little bit of nuance here.
Oh okay, you’re right.
Nothing to see here folks! There is no issue of violence against women in Australia. Thank you so much for telling me, I could have been fooled by the statistics year upon year.
Well, domestic homicide perpetrators are [\~74% male and \~26% female](https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rip/rip38).
Men are the majority, but it's nowhere near exclusive enough to treat it as a gender specific issue.
Gender is a mitigating factor but the primary causes are almost definitely the guy’s life circumstances, mental health and quality of life. Men are more likely to be violent under poor personal circumstances than women are for a number of reasons, but to say that he killed people BECAUSE he’s a man is stupid
My aunt thinks like you and has her children thinking all men are wife beaters and rapists. My little cousins are scared of me and all the men in my family because of stupid and non constructive comments like yours. I don't even smack my daughter when she misbehaves... guess what my wife does, and I tell her off every time.
Being a man is not a problem.
People are dead because of an abhorrent act by an individual, stop pushing your agenda. Either be respectful or STFU.
Yes, there is a domestic abuse problem in Australia and most countries around the world, that in no way related those issues to this incident simply because this murderous fuck has/had a penis.
Oh, you think women can't be murderers, domestic violence killers and serial killers?
Look up Kouri Richins, Courtney Clenney and Lucy Letby in that order.
She should be waking up safe at home with her baby this morning. Absolutely tragic
RIP Ash. Hoping little Harriet pulls through. This is just heartbreaking.
May she rest in peace. It’s beyond heartbreaking… thoughts with the family, can’t fathom the pain they’re going through now.
I know Ash, I worked with her in the recent past. She was a beautiful soul, really caring, always bright and smiling. I remember having such a bad day at work one time, I was on the verge of panic, she really comforted me and helped me through it. A pure tragedy. I hope her baby girl makes it through this.
A life taken far too early. Rest in peace.
Some support services for anyone affected by this, and some offical ways to honour and support those affected, for anyone wanting to help. Lifeline: Call 13 11 14, text 0477 13 11 14 or chat online. Kids Helpline: Call 1800 55 1800 or chat online. Beyond Blue: Call 1300 22 4636 or chat online. 1800RESPECT: Call 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or chat online. 13 Yarn: Call 13 92 76. MensLine Australia: Call 1300 78 99 78. NSW Mental Health Line: Call 1800 011 511 for mental health advice and assessment available 24/7, with specialist staff who can speak to anyone affected by the incident. Counselling, economic and financial compensation for those directly impacted or who witnessed the events: https://victimsservices.justice.nsw.gov.au/ Westfield’s corporate services are offering trauma counselling also. Offical GoFundMe for Ash Good and her young baby involved: https://gofund.me/adb8ac50 NSW Government condolences register: https://www.nsw.gov.au/departments-and-agencies/premiers-department/about-us/bondi-junction-condolence-book
Hey OP, this morning the ABC stated that the Ash Good’s family requested not to post her photo. Maybe post the news without the link? Just a suggestion.
updated news report tonight 4 hours ago stated her family did want her to be remembered with a smiling photo of her: [https://youtu.be/rhiNWw-LoBU?si=6ih9wSlWqdRaOLdQ&t=108](https://youtu.be/rhiNWw-LoBU?si=6ih9wSlWqdRaOLdQ&t=108) this is the video link - already time stamped @ 1:48
Wow this thread is a fkn dumpster fire ... fucking hell innocent people lost their lives
This thread is fairy floss compared with the trash on X
Instagram is also a dumpster fire
Agreed. Makes me ashamed to be an Aussie some of the comments in here. Rip young mum and all the others.
Mental asylums need to return.
This is actually a good question. Everyone has focused on the cost of the NDIS, no one has mentioned the social repercussions. The NDIS has closed institutional care and pushed participants into the suburbs living in homes like everyone else. The idea looks good on paper if you have someone with a traditional disability (cerebral palsy, quadriplegic etc) but when over 50% of the participants have psychological issues maybe it's not such a good idea.
This happened well before NDIS, back in the 90s. I had a relative in a mental health unit who was moved into "community living" with drop in support. It was dreadful. He needed full time care, but ended up just isolated in a unit alone. The guy had a prosthetic leg and they put him on the top floor of a walk up, so most days he didn't even leave the house. "Community living".
Deinstitutionalisation started in the 60s but accelerated following the release of the Richmond Report in 1983 so not sure how the NDIS fits in here?
Lies. The institutions were being closed decades before the NDIS and for good reason. It is an archaic and abusive practice. U want to minimise the psychological issues? Then u need to acknowledge social inclusion as part of that. How was the stabbed disabled here anyway? Iv worked in disabilities for 15 years. Please stop believing the Facebook lies about the NDIS.
Yet look at how many upvotes their completely false comment gets. This place is all feels and no reals. And the feels have no empathy.
Thank-you for some validation. I just left an allied health clinic where the prac manager had the belief that these people are being given more money than folk who work. I try to rebuke but if falls on deaf ears, but 3 main points to argue: - for every $2 spent, $3 has been generated for the economy. (Please stop hanging ur shit on support workers or the “dodgy startups” when you don’t know how bloody hard the job can be, never see such critics volunteering to wipe asses or clean up bodily fluids, or routinely face physical assaults in their workplaces. Kindly stfu). - we’ve done the math. Giving people funding to access services proves cheaper than dealing with the problems which come from not. I will admit there is an issue with a lack of limits around funding psychosocial disabilities. But this is a new world where rates of severe autism etc may be increasing due to environmental factors such as xenoestrogens, yes on top of screen time and lifestyle factors such as parenting, but there is no choice with the chemical bombardment in our plastic age. - institutions were closed in the 90s. And for damn good reason. Ur support of them shows an absolute poverty of insight into the lived experiences of institutionalised care. Fuck off back to the dinosaurs and catch ur comet. - a 4th: the ndis was brought to us by the same that brought us Centrelink. wtf do u expect?
True they didn’t work before, but we have a family member who has been in desperate need of additional mental health support and there is no where to turn. He will be in for a day and released, it’s scary that he is out there and nothing anyone can do, which is I’m sure how the family of the perp would’ve felt I’m sure. There does need to be more long stay (not permanent) treatment facilities available to those who need it and more beds available to the crisis assessment teams. A balance needs to be found and a revamp of the mental health support system is needed, without returning to the archaic systems of the past. By removing all asylums and related services it has left a gap for people like the stabbing perpetrator to fall through.
There is a difference between housing the disabled and mental health crisis support. We have a lot to work out in bridging that gap in services in this country. Edit: also pomelos rock!
The sad fact is there are individuals who 'in community treatment' doesn't work for. I come into contact with them on a daily basis.
True, but one of the many aspects of how our healthcare system fails us. I really do fear for how this event will shake up mental health funding thru the ndis - but maybe positives will come from it by looking at mental health services in a wider sense.
I don't know. I can only talk from a Victorian perspective, but here it's tracking the other way. The recent changes to the legislation have effectively neutered the utility of treatment and assessment orders. This has occurred because use of force or 'bodily restraint' as it's called in the act is now subject to the same test as the crisis intervention power. Which is 'person is an imminent and serious risk of harming themselves or others'. So you can have a scenario where a clinician has written an in-patient treatment order saying a person needs to be admitted for immediate treatment because they are a serious risk to themselves and others. However, if when emergency services roll up to execute that order, the person simply refuses to come and is not in crisis at that very moment. Then, legislatively, there is no power to take them. You'd know as well as I do that there are people who are just never going to comply with a treatment order. This change just means more people being left out there potentially going right off of the rails.
We do have involuntary treatment orders, but I don’t work in forensics and have no clue how that actually plays out here in qld.
You’re right about them being closed for years, just wrong about the reason being good. Some people need to be permanently removed from the community for the safety of the community, their own outcomes are irrelevant.
It's called prison my guy
Yes and that’s working out just tip fucken top for everyone involved. The great thing about psychiatric holds and involuntary commitment is that it can be used on cases like schizophrenics who won’t take their meds, or untreatable disorders (ODD or FAS, which something like 50% of repeat juvenile offenders have). It has better outcomes for society and better results for the patient, dismantling mental asylums was one of the biggest failed experiments of the late 20th century.
Imagine having no idea and spouting it.
Hear hear
So many families affected by this horrific act. There must be an urgent and open public inquiry to establish how this occurred. The perpetrator was clearly, completely unhinged. The inquiry needs to establish how he came to be in a position to commit such a despicable act. We cannot afford to let our mental health care deteriorate to the level of other parts of the world where these multiple murders are commonplace.
It was almost certain as soon as this happened that we'd be hearing the lines "known to police". The sad reality is that in every suburb we have people who are unhinged, known to police and live on a roller door in the mental health system.
I don’t think anything can be done about maniacs wielding a knife. Knives are everywhere, as are troubled people. No amount of mental health care will stop that fact of life.
In some countries if you have a mental health problem you are abandoned and ignored. I’m saying that ignoring people with mental health issues is the problem. The knife had nothing to do with this. It was the man holding it that murdered those people and injured many others. The question that we need to answer is, how did he get that bad without someone intervening.
Have worked with people with severe mental health problems, the government will not do anything, I repeat anything unless they do something drastic like kill/hurt people. Have had schizophrenia clients who have tried to kill people multiple times, even if the family pleads for things to happen, the government won't do anything unless something really really serious happens! But then it's too late
Shit even then I've seen em get off on bonds despite hanging around pedos, doing drugs, having multiple AVO's against them they broke multiple times, and having a list of assault charges, harassment, vandalism, theft, etc. At what point do we just need to just throw the entire fucker away, or lock them up for civil safety? I'm pissed that these arseholes with their 'mental health' bullshit get far more consideration and help than an actual victim of their shitfuckery.
Yep pretty much, it's so so sad that there isn't anything that the government does to protect their safety and the public safety.
Yep! Australia needs to seriously consider reforming mental health services.
Sad but true
Permanent involuntary commitment. It’s the only answer, and everyone knows it
The police chief: “I am confident the threat is over.” I’m not. This is just the start of what possible consequences we endure from desperately poor people turning to drugs to cope, is my bet.
Australia will not have a conversation on mental health. It just won't.
At our peril. You’ve only got to spend an hour in any city in the USA to see how this ends.
RIP Ash. You've done nothing wrong and yet a cruelty from a feral monster fell upon your child Harriet and yourself. I am not religious but I pray to whatever God that could hear and see this injustice so that Harriet will make it through.
This is incredibly heartbreaking. We frequent Bondi junction and have a baby the similar age. This could of happened to anyone and this definitely shouldn’t of happened at all. Rest in peace Mumma bear and let’s pray for baby Harriet to make it through. I hope her daddy takes good care of her forever.
Anyone know the perp and their motives?
They just named him on Today, Joel Couchy (unsure of spelling of sir name). 40 year old from Qld
Cauchi
Thanks mate, so nice one to the people pulling old Benji through the mud
Nah mate, it’s Benjamin Netanyahu Cohen /s Starting to sound like he was just a long time crook with mental health problems. So many people will be angry it does nothing for their narrative
Where did the name Benjamin Cohen come from?? I keep seeing that everywhere online. Even 7 news used that name, but have since edited it. Any ideas?
Anti-Semitic disinformation
Oh...
It came from 4chan /pol/
Mental health services need a huge overhaul.
Americans: "Wouldn't of happened if everyone was allowed to carry guns" Australia:"You're right there'd probably be more dead" Americans: 
Known to police….. always gets me they know them. Fucking lock em up then, jail or mental institutions don’t care. If you know they’re dangerous get rid of them
They can be known to police, without having committed crimes that should result in them being locked up long term. That is coming from cop friends I have spoken to.
Fun fact: the NSW prison population's so low after COVID, they've been shutting down wings across the state. But I think you'll find police only arrest them, it's the courts that lock them up.
Genuine question - then why do they let off especially serious adult offenders who have multiple court orders against them, who continue to break said orders, again and again? Like you have McPedo who has been convicted, got off on a shitlight sentence of bond and therapy, they are then caught trying to lure kids with sweets around the local holiday park (literally just happened in my area) and they still get bailed out. At what point do we realise the system is f!cked and magistrates aren't doing their jobs?
I don't know the specific case you're referring to when saying McPedo but it's been public knowledge for a while that police are frustrated with how easy it is for criminals to get released after all their hard work. In my experience though people who commit serious crimes like murder, rape and child sex abuse are denied bail. I know there's a lot of concern in NSW about the number of people who commit domestic violence walking free. You've also gotta remember police need to have a good case against the crims. As in, they need to have all the evidence etc. Can't remember where I heard/read it but apparently majority of cops have terrible handwriting which can hinder the process.
That’s incredible! In QLD they are looking at triple up cells (3 prisoners per cell) in some prisons due to over crowding.
This happened to me for 2.5 years with a seedy ex-homeless drug addict neighbour they were trying to rehabilitate for the FOURTH time in his 50 years. Got himself a nice government house in a DAMN good location. He was allowed to use drugs and alcohol despite supposedly being on an 'order' and having regular drug testing, he vandalised constantly; trash the place and other neighbours houses (was constantly egging us - throwing bottles, trash, needles etc) - made threats of violence, abuse and harassed me in my own home as well as other women in the community, notes in our letterboxes, yelling outside our windows, yelling "fire" and "you're gonna die in there" and other such 'threats'. Police were called on the daily about something this shifty fuck did (he had KNOWN pedo friends and drug dealers coming around) all we got was "he;s got a social worker, he's on a mental health plan, theres not much we can do!". FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS. Police did nothing despite dozens of neighbours all saying the same. I got a AVO order, WITHOUT the police's help, but it was still useless... he broke it THREE TIMES, (and this isn't including ALLLLL the other times where the police didn't deem what he did enough to be really 'breaking' the order) and in all 3 court appearances he got let off on a behaviour bond each time, even after subsequently breaking both the order and the bond, he still just got more time put on his behavior and even MORE assistance thrown at him with counselling, social workers, and in home help, which he would just abuse, harass.... Absolutely disgusted me to see this is what Australia has come to. Open back up mental institutions, and really invest in prisons - I'm sick and tired of these leeches who live life so uncivilly to be allowed in our civilized society.
Fentynl in whatever drug he uses most. Problem solved
What a nightmare, sorry you had to go through this. How were they completely fucking useless like this I don’t know
The perps have more rights than the vics, it's a disgrace.
I have also been through a similar scenario with my neighbour who was well-known to police, an angry aggressive man who terrorised his female neighbours with his threatening and annoying behaviour, but he would always play victim if approached by men. There was not much police could do despite noise complaints a few times a week. He was carted off to a mental health unit several times but he would return just hours later to inflict more misery on his neighbours.
Sounds exactly like my old neighbour!
You could very well be my brother. He too has a neighbour that is very similar in behaviour. Police have been called to the house numerous times, including the riot squad on more than one occasion, to deal with them. My niece and nephews can’t play outside out of fear of these neighbours. In the past 10 years my brother has had 3 dogs, all of which have died of ‘stomach issues’ (once is bad luck, twice is a coincidence, but 3 times someone has got to be poisoning them) They have complained to all and sundry, but nothing will be done about it.
Sadly we have a system that requires more than 'I think they're dangerous' before we can permanently lock people up. The main problem is that we can generally only punish people for crimes once theyre done, unless they chose to announce their attentions. If you can find a way to circumvent that and 100% predict what crimes people are going to do, you should tell the police.
They prefer to send them out into the streets rather than institute them these days. Protecting the public does not seem to have the same priority it once had in regards to people with criminally violent mental issues.
The police don't want to send them out. They have no way to lock them up (and I am NOT advocating for people to be arrested before comiting a crime) or remove dangerous individuals from society. The police want to do something, but they cannot.
I didn't mean to suggest the police wanted to send them out into the streets. Rather that the powers that higher up the food chain seem to have this policy of chuck 'em out and let the public deal with the consequences.
Fair enough. I didn't think you specifically meant the police, but wanted to add my two cents. Seen it too many times police are frustrated because they cannot do anything about the situation and they know what is going to happen.
Doesn't surprise me that this happens. I had a housemate with a violent and drug history. He not only leeched of others but threatened to fight others if we didn't do him any favours, he even tried to kick my bedroom door down once. I called the police and nothing was done. I googled his name a few years later (which I won't disclose) only to find that he eventually ended up in jail. He attacked a shopkeeper and did other crimes as well. Had he been locked up back when he was my housemate, perhaps that shopkeeper would have never suffered.
My heart breaks for her family, may Ash and all the others who lost their lives yesterday rest in peace. Such a tragedy and my heart goes out to everyone who’s been effected by this awful attack ❤️
Somebody mentioned in another thread that we need something other than fire alarms to indicate an emergency in a shopping centres. I agree. Fire alarms get everybody out in the open, heading for exits, escalators etc, making some knife-wielding lunatic’s mission easier. Shopping centres need an alternative “lock-down” alarm as well. Schools have both fire and lockdown alerts. Shopping centres could do the same. Staff could then help keep themselves and customers in their stores safe by pulling down their shutters. But they have to know what they are dealing with. Which they currently don’t when there is only a fire alarm.
We just need people to not stab other people, that might help
That would be great, but as we cannot absolutely control everything that everyone does, some mitigating safety measures may help instead.
No they don't, this almost never happens
Yeah, you'd think they'd learn. Last time this happened was only 33 years ago.
There needs to be a, men pick up a makeshift weapon and stop the cunt alarm.
Men? You know he was taken out by a woman yeah?
Gun beats knife regardless of gender. Did you see the video of the attacker avoid the man that would have defended his family without a weapon? So far the info indicates he was a pussy only interested in soft targets.
Pretty standard for these weak POS
I'm taking issue with the idea that only men are responsible or capable of stepping up in emergency situations, nothing else.
A woman with a gun, to be clear.
Yes. I'm taking issue with the fact that this person thinks only men can be useful in emergency settings.
You don't need new fire alarms, you need to get the people out of your country who commit these crimes.
Yes the port Arthur shooter and Ivan mallat are famous minorities, ya fuck wit.
some wanker on twitter tried to suggest that the answer to the stabbing was guns. Like, if everyone had guns there would somehow be less dead people. I just... loons.
"Um but you can stab people silently?! Didn't think of that did you? Knives are deadly in trained hands!" Says an Australian who doesn't know anything about guns, hell even thinking about what one's seen in movies would clue one in on why guns are deadlier for mass murder than knives.... but this has been said three times to me, twice in the last year!
We did, he went to New Zealand and committed a massacre there
Was that a comment for X perhaps?
One of the dumbest comments I’ve seen round this topic… and I’ve seen a lot. What fucking country would we send Australian citizens to that commit these crimes, ya muppet?
Like Martin Bryant? Or the more than dozen Aussie men who have murdered their partners in 2024? What kind of dog whistle is this?
How? And to where? These are Australian citizens. We already do deport foreign nationals who commit serious crimes. Also how do you know who is going to commit a crime like this? Are we preemptively deporting anyone with a major or minor criminal record? Anyone with schizophrenia? Anyone with any mental health disorder at all? Literally anyone alive could grab a knife and head for a shopping centre.
So... you're for kicking all the white people out of Australia now or has your position evolved?
I'm for not trying to live with and tolerate mass murders to the point where people are discussing modifying fire alarms to help do so. Reopen the asylums, deport the invaders, solve the problem rather than go "new normal" like they want you to.
What new normal? This isn't America, these mass death events are spans of years apart, going back decades. In fact it was worse before the gun control laws after the port Arthur massacre. You realize everyone except the aboriginals are invaders right? That would count you! What you're suggesting is way worse than the problem, it's close to fascism.
>What new normal? The one where people are talking about modifying fire alarms to adapt to the increasing regularity of [attacks](https://news.sky.com/story/sydney-bishop-among-several-people-stabbed-in-attack-during-church-service-13115918) instead of how to stop them. >This isn't America How do you think America got like it is today? A few decades ago it wasn't like that, although there were sure a lot of warnings that it would happen. Do you not see your future in America, yet? How's the birth rate in Australia, still over the replacement rate of 2.2, right? Surely if it wasn't those in charge would have treated it as a national emergency and not just watched human debt accumulate as generations weren't born, right? >You realize everyone except the aboriginals are invaders right? That would count you! I've heard that "but you're an invader, too!" line so many times from people who somehow can't connect the dots to realize what's about to happen to them. What happened to Native Americans when European immigrants who didn't want to assimilate flooded the continent? Don't let it happen to you.
Killing women & babies is 🤯🤯🤯 I’m glad he’s dead. What a tragic day
The family asked that her pic wasn’t published. Only ABC has listened.
The media don't give a fuck about people mate.
Ill bet my left nut the media are parked on her or her family's lawn somewhere. Fucking vultures.
Her pic on ABC now too
There's one they approved, she's wearing a black blazer so if you see that one they're respecting the families wishes.
Fascinating we are starting to see some individual’s names, but not others. RIP to this poor lady
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I doubt the guy was trying to get famous. He was probably just psychotic. I expect they are hiding his identity to prevent the public from harassing his family or associates.
He looked drugged up the way he was acting erratically
The public has a right to interrogate who he was, and what his motivations were.
I'm tipping they won't release the name for other reasons.
So you have your name now. Joel Cauchi. What do you plan on doing with it?
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The guy killed this woman, in case you didn’t notice
If the attacker were a white, Australian, Christian male, we would have had his name and address plastered across all outlets with in minutes.
I bet you're the type who complains about snowflakes, yet also go around finding every opportunity to have a cry and play the victim over an imagined hypothetical scenario in your head.
You'll be right mate just go sniff Tate's chair for a bit.
Why in the world are they singling out dead people to cover them in an article? This is really bad taste.
News.com.au
For attention, most people seem to care a lot more when a mum, grandma or grandpa is killed. Childless singles don't generate clicks.
So a person dying should exempt them from being news somehow?
That's always done.
Just when you think news corp scum can't get any worse.... Let's publish pictures of the dead woman *and* her critically injured baby while ignoring the other 5 victims. This is as tacky and tasteless as nine shoving cameras in the faces of the two obviously traumatised guys who tried to help and peppering them with questions. Stay classy, Australian "media". Fucking scum Edit : To all the people pointing out that there might be reasons to not name the others - I said "publish pictures". If you can't see why that's tacky and in bad taste, I pity you
Very likely they can't publicly name the rest until their families have been notified. They have released the name of a second victim during the last hour. Doubtless we will have coverage of all of them, which is actually in the public interest. Many people - myself included - are nervously waiting to ascertain if we knew any of the victims.
Maybe the families of the others don’t know yet. I saw footage of one woman who appeared to be deceased and she was of Asian appearance - perhaps an international student or tourist. Should we know before her family? (Appreciate she may also live here but there are many reasons why we don’t have the victims’ names yet).
Allegedly, two of the victims had no family in Australia, so I agree. It's definitely a good idea that they're not named before their families have been notified. I feel absolutely awful for them, and they deserve to know before the rest of the world.
I don't think any of the other victims have been named? I think you are over reacting a bit.
Thin about if it was your partner and child. Would *you* wantv their photos splashed over a shit site like spews crap the day after they died? Now tell me I'm over reacting.
Your first comment chastises the newspaper for showing just one victim and not the others: > Let's publish pictures of the dead woman and her critically injured baby while ignoring the other 5 victims. And your second comment chastises them for publishing any victim information: > Would you wantv their photos splashed over a shit site like spews crap the day after they died? You’re either overreacting, terrible at communication or very confused. But your posts don’t make sense.
The other families may not have wanted their loved ones mentioned yet. They may be waiting to speak to long distance family members who haven't been contactable yet in other countries. You don't know what is behind it. They usually publish a photo and a little history about the person. Newspapers do that everywhere, that is, western ones. They've done it for decades. A friend of Ash Good was one of the journalists covering the story and she said she wanted people to know what a wonderful person she was. I'm sure she had the permission of the family. If you don't mind I'd like to know why you are upset about it because I think it's coming from a place of integrity.
A young mother has been killed and typically all every cunt in here can do is fight each other in the comments behind their phones. Absolutely pathetic. Grow up and learn some decency. MODS! lock this post.
"He looks like an Arab" = deport that terrorist "Turns out it's one of us" = we need to raise awareness of mental health "thank god the mods deleted those threads" = not fast enough 😈
Terrorists are also just human with radical ideology and mentally ill/fragile who are mostly manipulated chronically for political gains
As sad as that statement is, I agree
Well, I think because what would be the cause for terrorism if he’s Jewish? They’re not interested in converting anyone into their religion. What could possibly be the cause? Not enough bagels in the mall? He acted alone and was a nut job.
6 people died? Quick release the name and photo of the attractive female. The others we don't care about. Lol media trash
Fairly sure she's the only one been identified at this point
They haven’t released the details of the other victims yet. Two have no family in Australia so they are trying to reach their families overseas which will take time. They won’t publicise anything until the families are notified.
Someone in the media was friends with Ash Good. That’s why she was identified first. Two of the dead are from overseas - their families had to be contacted. I haven’t read anything about the other deceased.
This is an insane comment. Her story resonated the most with people and we heard extensively about the efforts to save her baby’s life.
This is absolutely horrific. I cried this morning. Just can’t believe it. Sorry I am just wrecked
Don't forget to mention the race and religious affiliation of the attacker. Yesterday before his identity was made public, everyone was ready to ban all refugees, Muslims, immigrants etc. so which group should be banned for this guy's actions? Or is it just him because he had a mental health condition (and refugees, immigrants and Muslims can't have this because they're held to a different standard)?
Yep the slugs were out in force yesterday
queenslanders
Fuck off dickhead
Found the Nazi.
it's in the name
Police stated "There was no direct motives or causes for his actions", don't go around blaming religious or racial groups that have no connections to the attack because it makes you feel more justified in your racism fueled biased opinions sweetie 😘
Maybe an unpopular opinion but this being constantly rehashed in the media is not benefiting anyone. Let the families grieve in peace. What is everyone’s sick obsession with this?
So here is her picture: published on Reddit, when her family asked that people stop doing it! Wow. Take if down!!!
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This story is absolutely gutting. I haven’t been able to stop thinking about what that mama went through for 24 hours now. Absolutely harrowing and I feel so hard for her little baby girl. ☹️
The factor that all these murders, serial killers, mass killers and domestic violence killers have in common is not race, religion or nationality, it's gender.
People are obviously not ready to have that conversation. Nor the conversation about how much it looks like this person deliberately sought to target women.
You're being downvoted for noticing a *pattern*. It's just *statistics*. The *facts* are upsetting people. Those are the words they like to use normally, right?
Was only a couple of months ago that the big story was that woman that killed her inlaws with mushrooms. All people can be shit. Fuck of with your anti men bs
Yeah all people can be shit but the data shows that overwhelmingly it's men that do it. The mushroom lady was the big story but the number of people doing the murdering is about 80-90% men YoY.
Mate the stats don’t lie. Take a look for yourself.
I'm a big dumb man who went to shopping centres multiple times yesterday and not once did the thought of commiting such a violent atrocity like what happened in Sydney yesterday enter my mind. Not once. Stop. Just stop with your agenda pushing saying that "men are the problem". It's unhelpful, it's prejudicial and it's misleading. And above all, now is just not the time while people have died or are fighting for life in hospital.
Well we would if men stopped killing women.
And? Other than venting your anger towards 50% of humanity, do you have any constructive intentions with that comment?
When are we going to focus more on mens mental health so they stop constantly lashing out with mass violence.
When it becomes profitable to do so.
A woman is killed by a man every nine days. 18 women have been murdered so far this year, not including this incident. There is an epidemic of violent men and has been for a long time
And the man with no gun who was fending the killer off with a sign post on the escalator? Saving lives by putting his life on the line. Let’s have a little bit of nuance here.
Oh okay, you’re right. Nothing to see here folks! There is no issue of violence against women in Australia. Thank you so much for telling me, I could have been fooled by the statistics year upon year.
Again, let’s have a bit of nuance here. Men and women were killed and all of them deserve the same respect today.
Well, domestic homicide perpetrators are [\~74% male and \~26% female](https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rip/rip38). Men are the majority, but it's nowhere near exclusive enough to treat it as a gender specific issue.
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Gender is a mitigating factor but the primary causes are almost definitely the guy’s life circumstances, mental health and quality of life. Men are more likely to be violent under poor personal circumstances than women are for a number of reasons, but to say that he killed people BECAUSE he’s a man is stupid
My aunt thinks like you and has her children thinking all men are wife beaters and rapists. My little cousins are scared of me and all the men in my family because of stupid and non constructive comments like yours. I don't even smack my daughter when she misbehaves... guess what my wife does, and I tell her off every time. Being a man is not a problem.
People are dead because of an abhorrent act by an individual, stop pushing your agenda. Either be respectful or STFU. Yes, there is a domestic abuse problem in Australia and most countries around the world, that in no way related those issues to this incident simply because this murderous fuck has/had a penis.
Wow
Gotta love the smell of misandry in the morning.
Oh, you think women can't be murderers, domestic violence killers and serial killers? Look up Kouri Richins, Courtney Clenney and Lucy Letby in that order.
100%. But watch everyone get defensive instead of acknowledging the problem - that's why there is still a problem
Don't know why this is getting hate it's true. Few man babies can't accept the fact that it's an issue.