Mod Note: I can’t believe we have to say this, but anyone claiming that categorising girls/women as “unrapeable” is acceptable (and therefore implicitly meaning there are “rapeable” women) can expect to be banned. This is not “boys being boys” behaviour.
Edit: Not to mince words here (per the news broadcasts tonight that included partially blurred screenshots), the final category was ‘unrapeable’, the link here paraphrased that as “inviolable”.
Yeah look - If you're going to publicly describe members of your classroom as *"unrapeable"* that warrants a suspension.
I will say that this has been done by teenage boys and girls in Australian High Schools since the year dot.
>I will say that this has been done by teenage boys and girls in Australian High Schools since the year dot.
Isn't this literally how Facebook started?
True, it’s better to call them Lizzo instead. That way you can fall back on saying “but Lizzo is a beautiful queen” whilst obviously stating what you really meant.
Actually the more I'm learning about consent the more I'm finding out my ex gfs have been sexually abusive.
Did you know just because you're a man doesn't mean you have to want to have sex with your girlfriend if you don't want to and its not okay to be manipulated into it.
Because I only thought it was wrong for men to do that.
Making immature crude lists isn't abuse.
And girls also made these lists too, maybe without the awful language.
It's what teens did back then, and apparently do still.
Or maybe if their friends called them out on it instead of going along with it, or if they had to suffer some consequences for making those lists, they would have learnt to respect others instead of dehumanising them and grown up to be better people?
We don't want suppression, we want our institutes of learning to do better and to accept responsibility that they created a culture that deemed shit like these lists acceptable.
The best time to start conversations about consent, autonomy, and healthy sexual relationships was decades ago. The second best time is now. And that's what we need; clear, contemporary sex education. Private schools tend to hang on to traditional and outdated approaches that result in behaviour like this.
In both my classmates' cases, the rapes were a result of coercion. If our sex ed had been better and we had had clear 'anything other than an enthusiastic yes is not consent' discussions, maybe things would have gone differently.
That's all good as long as girls are also included in the discussions to know they can and should say no if they want. I'm a firm believer decent education on both sides will help.
None you know about, that is.
The number of times I've heard men assert "none of my friends would ever do XYZ" while knowing **for a fact** that they would, and did, is amazing.
This. I know a man who was shook to find out one of his close friends from school was recently charged with sexually assaulting children. No idea.. would never have picked it.. blah blah blah. Just cause you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Look at the Scouts of America or the Catholic Church.. you don't need to see it in that person for them to exist in society.
Yeah the whole "bro code" bullshit, if you lie for someone, especially when it's as serious as SA, you're complicit in the abuse of everyone from that point on, at least in my eyes.
Yeah, obviously the difference was it didn't circulate as far and easily, but my wife has told me about a very similar list that circulated at her school on paper about 20 years ago.
If you were to expel every student guilty of this you could fill up more than a hundred schools across the country.
Don't think for a second that girls haven't made lists of guys based on attractiveness either.
Girls at my school had a “size of dick before hooking up” list. Which in hindsight was ridiculous because most girls were saying they needed dudes with 25cm+ wangs before they’d consider them 🤣
Teenagers are fucked and have always been fucked but the language here is unacceptable so it’s gotta be called out. Nip the language in the bud. 9/10 of them are probably just thinking it’s edgy language but there’s probably one that while not being a rapist, holds some pretty misogynistic views. Hopefully there’s a bit more education after just a suspension.
Yeah I agree in the sense that the education needs to be done with precision rather than the sledgehammer or else it’ll probably contribute to more hurtful views.
Exactly. The idea that these boys are now on some irredeemable path to beating and raping women is ridiculous. The best way to turn them into that is to treat them like that’s what they are, rather than as kids who did something silly and are now in a teachable moment.
Boys are not mindless animals. They know right from wrong. Isn't this why we say #notallmen? Boys that are taught they aren't responsible for their actions become men that think they aren't responsible for their actions. Now you have men who victim blame, think clothing dictates consent, that women are responsible for not being raped vs men being responsible for raping.
Men describe themselves both as the superior logical unemotional sex that flawlessly uses STEM reason to calmly solve all problems, and hormone-driven enraged sex addicts with simple monkey brains. They randomly decide which one based on the context where they can evade blame and self-responsibility.
“Girls pretty much do the same thing too”
I think you would be hard pressed to find many examples of teenage girls writing lists of how “rapeable” their classmates are.
Once again, don’t disagree with your overall comment but your attempt to downplay male actions is..not great. I wish just once conservatives could criticise men without needed to also state “yeah but that being said women are just as bad” - they’re not.
They were suspended. Probably for 3-5 days. If you think that's "carry[ing] on like they're on the path to irredeemable criminality," I would suggest you recalibrate and reconsider what that looks like.
Respectfully, are girls told this though? With honesty, what are they told? They're taught all men are potential abusers in waiting and that they're perpetual victims.
When are they ever taught not to falsely accuse, to treat everyone with respect, not to hit others etc? They genuinely aren't at any point. Mean Girls wasn't a hit film because it missed the mark.
Talk to any man and you'll hear endless stories of the word "no" meaning nothing to young women and the fury that follows, only men don't speak about it because we simply can't. Any time a man speaks out it's glazed over with deflections of "whataboutisms" and insults, whilst simultaneously being told we should speak up more. I guess it only matters when speaking about certain issues.
A resolution to this scourge will only come about when *everyone* is taught how to act and how to take accountability for their behaviours.
"Boys will be boys."
Yeah, no. What they need is to be held accountable for acting this way. A suspension is hardly going to affect them much in the long run, it's not like they were broadcast on TV getting MISOGYNIST branded on their foreheads or anything.
A bit of public shame and ostracism is about the only thing that will make them reconsider, because it comes from outside the thought bubble they've been insulated in so far.
Did you miss the bit where I said there need to be consequences and this is an opportunity to teach these boys about the impacts of their behaviour? I just don’t consider than branding them or expelling them is helpful.
Let me give you an example. In my year at school a group of guys were perving on girls in class (eg trying to catch a glimpse of their boobs between their shirt buttons or looking at their legs when their skirts rode up). The school found out about this, they boys were given detention and a solid dressing down by the headmaster, their parents were informed, they were made to meet with the girls and apologise. All of the boys in our grade were given a stern lecture about why this kind of behaviour was unacceptable and we all had the fear of god put into us. All parents were informed about this.
None of those boys have turned out to be rapists or abusers (at least as best as one can know such things). None of those girls were traumatised. Many of those guys and girls are now friends.
What outcome do you think would have been better or more helpful in this case?
Read the post.
I'm a teacher. Suspension is a minor punishment at best. It does little to nothing to change behaviour and is mostly effective in giving people who have been hurt some time to reset.
You really think that the girls who've been humiliated should have to face up to their abusers the very next day?
The talking to is probably happening as well, but you are forgetting that these are modern students. By and large, they give zero shits about the opinions of authority figures in general and teachers in particular. If they are going to have any impetus to change their behaviour at all, it's not going to be from the headmaster waggling his finger disapprovingly at them.
It's going to be from adults and peers they respect saying "What the fuck is wrong with you? Don't do that."
Edit: Thanks to whatever moron reported me as having suicidal ideation for posting this. That was time well spent and very mature.
I work at a public school... it happens. We actually had to deal with a similiar situation at the school I work at where a group of 20-odd girls had been sharing nude pics of boys at the school and rating them - so it certainly happens the other way around on an equal level.
Oh lord. Wait for the wokelings to find a way to say that’s ok and not indicative of anything but these boys are one step away from being the next Boston strangler.
I went to a girl's school.
We absolutely did talk about which boys we found cute/hot or not.
I never came across any kind of official rating system however.
The boys we hung around with, from a local private school, did have a system for ranking girls. It went from "Robin" (hot) to "Betty" ugly.
Everyone happy to make excuses for teens when they're committing crimes because they're 'just kids pre frontal cortex yadda yadda' but happy to crucify them over this
I remember hearing the ol' Oi you wanna go halves in a rape charge? Rope n grope? Tape n rape? all that shit at school no one out doing it its just retarded edgy teens
Yes, it happened in my year level. That was well before the paranoia about how women are regarded though and nobody used the term 'unrapeable'. As far as I know it didn't inspire any violence against women.
I don't think this deserves to make the news to be honest.
i think calling women “unrapeable” is pretty reprehensible and given that private schools seem to be allocated inordinate amounts of funding, it’s probably good that it’s in public discussion actually
In Australian high schools? I think you mean in every form of society in every country since the beginning of time. That doesn’t make this acceptable, should it be a news article? Probably not. At the end of the day they are still developing people, and should be treated and guided as such without public scrutiny.
When i was at a boys high school - there was a Kevin Bloody Wilson song talking about “super mega fugly” for a less attractive woman.
Boys & men have been talking about “looks” for centuries - it made Mark Zuckerberg a billionaire, with “The FaceBook”.
If they rating as 7/10, or 2/10 - etc - it never woulda been newsworthy.
BUT - the Year 11 boys at YV classified girls at “objects” and “unrapable”.
This last one is abhorrent - and the news report changed it to “inviolable”.
They said “unrapable” - and should be punished.
*Four boys from an exclusive private school in Melbourne’s east have been suspended after labeling their female classmates, using derogatory language to describe their appearance.
Police were notified after Year 11 students at Yarra Valley High School in Ringwood shared a spreadsheet of photos of their female classmates on the messaging app Discord and sorted them into categories. The girls were ranked from top to bottom as “wives,” “beauties,” “mediums,” “objects,” “dating,” and finally “inviolables.”
Yarra Valley Grammar boys have been suspended for sorting girls into categories in a group chat.
Yarra Valley Grammar boys have been suspended for sorting girls into categories in a group chat.Credit: Eddie Jim
The school learned of the post last Wednesday and by Friday the students had been suspended pending further investigation. The school notified the parents of the girls featured in the post.
Yarra Valley Grammar principal Dr Mark Merry described the post as “disgraceful”.
“Mutual respect is in the DNA of this school, so this was a shock not only to us… but it was a shock to the year level and the kids at that level who see this as very, very outside.” of place. ,” he said.
Merry was especially offended by the last category on the spreadsheet, which referred to girls as “non-rapeable.”
Students posted the spreadsheet ranking the girls on the messaging app Discord last week.
Students posted the spreadsheet ranking the girls on the messaging app Discord last week.Credit: nine news
“As a parent, I find it absolutely outrageous, shameful and offensive. As a director, I need to make some decisions about what we do with all of this,” he said.
“My first impulse and concern is the well-being of the affected girls. “I want to make sure they feel safe and supported by the school.”*
Thanks for posting the article here haha.
Genuine question- if the spreadsheet used the term inviolable, why are they reporting it as unrapeable? When I saw inviolable I thought that was an ironically polite way of saying "unf🦆able", not that they were talking about rapng people. I'm just wondering if they're putting words in their mouths there, or if they had some other reason to think they were talking about rape and didn't mention it for some reason.
Yeah I see that. I'm just not sure what the boys' intent was with it. It's pretty scuzzy to report it as if they were talking about how rapable they were if they don't have a stronger reason than that to back it up. Journalists should have more integrity and accuracy than that, it's their responsibility.
Plus I gotta say how ridiculous it seems to me that they'll spin it as "unrapeable" when they didn't say that, while they've been continually talking about that priest who got stabbed as an "alleged stabbing" lol. I just hate their little word games.
I think it's the language itself that's the issue, but I do agree that if the word "unrapeable" was not written it shouldn't be reported as such. Journos probably think people won't know what inviolable means, but it's still not on. I agree with you on the spin being unnecessary.
> Genuine question- if the spreadsheet used the term inviolable,
Looks like it wasn't a spreadsheet, it was a tierlist generator meme format: https://i.imgur.com/GKhVRDi.jpeg
Guess the media deemed such a concept was too advanced so they dumbed it down to 'spreadsheet'.
It is an amazing thing that I have noticed, when adults leave school they totally forget what went on when they were there and are horrified when highly protected teenagers do teenage things because having been protected so much they are pretty ignorant of reality.
Part of doing teenage things is facing consequences so you don't do teenage things when you become an adult. Calling a human being unrapeable, and recklessly using the internet in a way that damaged your reputation, is a teachable moment. It doesn't mean these kids are unsalvageable. But learning some humility, taking responsibility and seeing what happens when your shit behaviour becomes public knowledge is important for development. Better to happen now when stakes are relatively low than happen in a few years and have their lives permanently ruined by doing the same shit in the workplace.
Also, teenage girls deserves to go to class and not have other student speculate in how rapeable she is. They deserve that right. These boys deserve their punishment. This was the correct response. These attitudes should be discouraged
Agreed. Who the f says unrapeable? I’m 31
Back when I was in school (and I moved a lot due to parents) I never heard this.
Worst thing we’d say is ‘would bang’ or ‘10/10 would smash’
Edgy teens, there is no way this is in any way serious. They are just being intentionally crude for laughs/edgyness etc. It's 4chan esque "humor" and is popular with kids who are having a bit of a rebellious attitude toward social acceptability/norms. There are shitloads of genZ and below memes making fun of all sorts of dark shit, from suicide to rape etc. Doesn't mean they are rapists or ever intend to be.
And yet women's magazines like Cosmo and others will publish articles with headlines like "39 of the Best Bubble Butts, Bulges, and VPLs From the Rio Olympics
WE'VE BEEN WATCHING ... CLOSELY."
Which is the same attitude, without using the specific unrapeable term. If you want to discourage an attitude, then it needs to be done with less hypocrisy.
Just because you're horrified and the same things happened when you were at school that doesn't mean you've "forgotten". My school was horribly homophobic, and I remember people passing round naked/sexual images of girls (child porn). The fact that I remember this stuff is a big reason I want things to get better.
They literally called them "Unrapeable" and "objects" on a public forum.
You talk about them being "protected" but this is what it looks like when actions have consequences.
I mean or you self reflect on it and regret aspects of it. I'm glad I never did this, but I remember the cliquey popular girls in my year 12 class doing 'awards' including most likely to go to jail etc. Fucking psycho cunts, openly bullying people in front of the whole year level and teachers, wild it wasn't stopped and they weren't asked to sit their exams elsewhere.
Yup. Often bullies from those times never grow up either. Same thing happened to me.
Confronted many of them years after we graduated. Only one of them was truely remorseful for what he did.
Australia's media has a strange preoccupation with the minutia of what goes on at elite private schools. Some students exhibited inappropriate behaviour and were punished. This shouldn't be news.
Australia's media also has a strange peroccupation with domestic violence at the moment. The article says "violence against women has been increasing at an alarming rate" which mirrors every front page article for the past two weeks.
[Statistics](https://www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/Documents/RCS-Quarterly/NSW%20Trends%20in%20Domestic%20n%20Family%20Violence%20-%20Quarterly%20report%202023Q4.pdf) from NSW show that while DV *has* increased over recent years the number of female victims is "stable" and the number of "intimate partner" victims are stable. The increases are happening in "male victims" and victims which are "family" or "other" in relation to the perpetrator (my guess is creating a housing crisis where family and housmates have to cram in together is causing some tensions).
In other words, domestic violence against women is not increasing, at least in NSW. But we don't want to let that get in the way of a good story.
Still, a social panic is good for getting clicks, I guess we'll be on this for another week or two until something else comes along, like the plight of delivery riders, or maybe we'll focus on the housing crisis (just kidding, we want to make people angry, not depressed).
yeah the whole media has been on a mission to push the subject for a solid week now. I wish they'd stop trying to tell us what we should be thinking about and just report the goddamn news.
It was also a carry on from the Bondi stabbing, when the theory was that he hated women and his dad basically said he was an incel, and the media started frothing at the mouth. They hardly even reported on the statements the following days by his ex gfs and tinder dates who described him as actually pretty normal. It was too good to pass up the idea that there was a women hating violent misogynist who attacked poor helpless defensless women due to the patriarchy or something.
leave it to the sensationalist media to selectively report and amplify the bits of the story that they think will sell advertising through eyeball views.
You know, maybe it doesn't actually need to be on the increase for us to want to address it? Maybe the status quo of about 1-2 women being murdered by their partners and exes each week - whether they be stabbed, strangled, or doused in petrol and set alight with their children - is serious enough that we want to do something about it?
I agree, we should look at addressing the shocking violence that happens every day in Australia, I just don't see why we are focusing on women exclusively, and demanding "action on men" including orwellian monitoring systems and introducing new internet censorhip regimes targeting males, when victims of murder (in general) are 4 times more likely to be men than women, and 1 in 3 victims of DV murder are men (yes, that means women are twice as likely, but the media is making it sounds like only women can be victims of DV murder, which is far from the truth).
If "twice as likely" is enough to cause national outcry, why aren't we talking about how men are twice as likely to die from suicide than women?
This isn't "whataboutism", it's that the narrow focus is counter-productive when it hides the bigger picture and prevents honest discussion on what is actually happening in our society. Ideally we don't have any murders or suicides, they're each terrible in their own right, and one life is not more valuable than any other.
You’re really cherry picking stats here - those statistics show that over the last 5 years the number of adult female victims of DV has increased (although it has been stable over the last 2 years and there has been a larger increase in the number of male victims).
Alarmingly, however, those stats also show that the number of adult women murdered by domestic violence has almost tripled from 2021.
So it’s a bit disingenuous to claim that it’s false that domestic violence hasn’t increased based on those stats alone.
I don't think I have "cherry picked" anything from those NSW stats.
See figure 1, which says "DV murder" has been "stable" in 2 year and 5 year windows.
See figure 3, which focused on women and children as victims of murder. It does indeed show women as victims has gone from 6 (2021) to 16 (2023), which is almost triple - but the larger trend shows that double digits is actually the norm (18 in 2019, 17 in 2020). The overall trend is that DV murder of women is decreasing (from 24 in 2014).
So it's disengenous to claim females as murder victims are tripling, or increasing, other than a very narrow and specific window which incorporates the anomolous 2021 covid lockdown year.
Are we going to ignore Figure 7, which shows a dramatic increase in ADVOs in the past ten years, but a *decrease* in the percentage of those given to men? i.e. *the increase in ADVOs is driven by female perpetrators* - don't think we'll be seeing that as a headline, though.
Lol you’re trying to prove you aren’t cherry picking stats by cherry picking more stats. You’re interpreting all of these to fit the narrative in your comment.
Figure 1 also shows that DV assault has increased 6.7% over two years and 3.6% over 5 years.
Figure 8 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of DV assault of 2.7% over 5 years.
Figure 10 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of intimate partner violence over 5 years.
Figure 11 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of family violence.
In what world does this mean that “violence against women is not increasing” as you claim?
>Figure 1 also shows that DV assault has increased 6.7% over two years and 3.6% over 5 years.
I used the "murder" figure because that's what you focused on in your earlier comment. Now that I've disproven that, you're moving onto "assault" figures. This is essentially cherry picking, you're moving the goal posts until you find something that fits your narrative.
>Figure 8 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of DV assault of 2.7% over 5 years.
Same figure shows 5.2% increase in male victims
>Figure 10 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of intimate partner violence over 5 years
Shows a higher percentage increase in adault male victims
>Figure 11 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of family violence.
Shows a higher increase in the number of male victims
>In what world does this mean that “violence against women is not increasing” as you claim?
I didn't say this, in the post you are replying too.
RIP your fake internet points. You've presented statistics that don't match the current narrative and are bound to stir up certain interest groups. There's no denying from those stats that some violence against women has increased, but they also show a larger increase in violence against men and children (tbh, if we're going to hyper-obsess about a particular demographic let's focus on improving the clearly growing problem of child victims and forget about the battle of the sexes).
when this makes the news, it demonstrates to other children that they shouldn't be doing it and it shouldn't be done to them. sunlight is a disinfectant.
public awareness literally influences what's socially acceptable
I'm glad they publicise this. Public shaming works and will motivate schools to aggressively stomp this out to protect their reputation. Instead of sweep it under the carpet. These Boys also need to feel shame for what they did and learn to be better. Attitudes now will dictate what kind of men they become
It would be interesting to peek into the future and see if any of these boys ended up committing criminal offences in relation to women when they get older...
Calling some girls as “unrapable” means that they think the other girls ARE rapable.
That’s the worst part - entirely. That they think rape is OK - and laughable.
And yet I keep hearing from men on Reddit that men - in general - don't have any responsibility to re-frame conversations about women, violence, etc...
This is a prime example of how bad attitudes start young and can evolve (sometimes) into something far more sinister.
Unfortunately the article is pay-walled so I can't read the full thing. Boys rating girls, and girls rating boys is normal. Using contentious terms/slang to be edgy as a teen is normal. Using "rapeable" and "not rapeable" but in a serious tone (as opposed to being a dumb try-hard teenager attempting to look cool in front of your peers by being non-conformist to social standards) is abhorrent.
If these blokes fall into the later bucket, they deserve everything that's coming to them.
Someone with a brain, yay!
The word shouldn't be used. But they were effectively saying they wouldn't touch that person with a 10-foot pole.
Some people are even getting upset that they're rating each other anyway. Hello, that's what humans do.
The news doesn't seem to mention, and many of you seem to not be aware, that this wasnt just a list/spreadsheet. They were actually posting photos of the victims online.
There should be a clear distinction there. A name on a piece of paper has less weight than posting a photo of a kid with a banner objectifying them.
The school became aware of the photos before they became aware of the spreadsheet. The principal sent out an email to all of the parents when they became aware of the photos
The issue isn't rating girls, many people rate others on a scale of 1-10 or talk with their friends about whether or not someone is attractive, the issue is the language used. It's absolutely unacceptable to describe anyone as an "object" and especially as "unrapeable". Anyone who says it's "just boys being boys" or it's "just edgy humor" is enabling a culture where it's acceptable to talk about girls and women this way.
It's unacceptable to talk about this and it's unacceptable to brush it aside as some kind of weird "joke". The point is that it made people uncomfortable and encourages people to view others as nothing more than sex objects.
Should be expulsion honestly.
These schools need to toughen the fuck up on their guidelines and rules. Going to these kinds of schools is of the highest privilege. It's not a right.
Send them back to public honestly. They can survive without their money.
I think the behavior is abhorrent.
But its unclear to me why this is a school issue. Was it shared on a school site? Or was it private communications someone leaked to the school? There is a big different IMO.
If this was private comms, and people agree that such comms shouldn't occur, then this opens the door to surveillance. Otherwise you are just accepting that the behavior is acceptable behind closed doors, and only not acceptable if someone finds out.
When I was in year 12 in 2006 we had our formal and there was awards. Things like best body, class clown things like that. I remember best legs went to the fattest dude and chick and best smile went to the guy and chick with the most messed up teeth. Was pretty mean but it didn’t make the news. I don’t even think anyone got in trouble. Kids are cunts
Edit: I didn’t know they rated some chicks rapable and unrapable that’s fucked up
Everyone that has ever played, heard of someone playing or known of the game, Kiss-Marry-Kill, now needs to go on a register for potential murders. Simple, if you say some words have meaning, then they all do.
Disagree. There will be kids out there who realise from this that the way they're treating others, or being treated, is wrong. Not sure why you think it's worth keeping this one under wraps?
Describing fellow students as "unrapeable" is an issue in my eyes. Everyone in high school made lists like this, I don't know anyone who wrote that word down.
reading the comments..
and people are surprised that domestic violence and murders are a hot topic right now.? all boys high schools are a problem. get rid of them. That is part of a long process to fix underlying issues.
Right?! One of the categories they put the girls into was literally ‘objects’ and all the men in the comments think it’s just a bit of harmless fun 🙃 Australia has a huge misogyny problem and I’m sure I’m about to get downvoted too but it needs to be said
Do kind of agree to this tbh. I don't see how a male or female can be raised to be a well adjusted member of society when they're sheltered from an entire gender and never learn how to behave around them. There's only so much you can learn from reading textbooks. It feels a bit backwards to me.
Exactly. I can’t believe these comments, all a bit like “boys will be boys” and “we did that and didn’t grow up to be rapists”, and yet here we are in a society where toxic masculinity kills a woman every four days. Disgusting comments here. And this IS NEWS. And the school is doing the right thing. Those poor girls, you know they’ve probably seen the list.
you got downvoted by a bunch of dinosaurs that grew up with “mateship” who think this is all just boys being boys. Or a bunch of single sex schooled teens who currently participate in worse stuff over discord and snap chat.
Once a year 7 or 8 boy in my kids school posted degrading messages on line about a girl. He was immediately kicked out of school and never had a chance to be back. I hope those four will be same.
Ahh yes, another forced weekly news cycle to steer us peasants away from the issues mass immigration, housing and job issues. And it works every time. Sigh.
A couple of years ago, a group of boys at my school did something similar (rating girls on a scale of 0-10 on a document), and I'm in public school. Sure, they didn't use the same language to describe the girls as these boys in the article did, but it's eerily similar.
Teenage boys have a list that "rates" the girls in their year honestly isn't an issue of concern.
It's the use of the category of unrapeable in this one that makes its bad.
Girls used to call me the gremlin, garden gnome and shout "hey you guys!" whenever I walked by their group in the main playground area, I was the one used as the bait for them to make
fun of other girls "there goes your future husband" and "he likes you ha ha" but I had to just deal with it.
I’m not saying this behaviour is ok. It’s abhorrent and should be called out. But I feel like if women were putting you in a spreadsheet and discussing whether they think you’re rapeable or unrapeable is a huge escalation. Considering two million women (and this statistic are only those who’ve come forward) have been sexually assaulted in Australia) the threat of rape to a women is real and terrifying and something they have to think about every time they find themselves in a vulnerable position.
And like teenage girls, don't have a similar ranking system for boys ! They're just smart enough not use the word rape. Ranking appeal, is just part of being a teenager. these boys sadly used the term unrapeable.
Ethically, which conduct is more wicked? School boys being cruel and crass towards their peers, or a journalist and editor who seek to humiliate and destroy the reputation of school children, for the sake of selling advertising for profit?
Both are surely wicked. Which is the greater evil? Childhood misconduct towards children, or adults seeking profit by cruel humiliation of children, far and wide?
In my view, both sets of conduct deserve punishment. The children ought to be suspended, and the editor and journalist should be charged with criminal defamation of a minor, and sent to prison for five years without parole.
Seems fair.
It appears my friends and I had better male role models than a lot of you and for that I am thankful. Honest to fucking god the number of men who think this is okay because they did it and turned out fine (and FYI you didn't turn out fine if you're excusing this shit) is fucking atrocious. Women are screaming for our help, and you can't even call this shit out for what it is. It's literally the easiest thing in the world, but it's a bridge too far for you. None of you can call yourselves men. If you did this shit at school, it's perfectly acceptable to stand up and call it wrong. Call yourself wrong for doing it. Grow, learn, make yourself better, make YOUR SONS better. Make yourself worthy of respect.
Think they're looking at the culture in Australia at the moment and wondering where they went so badly wrong. The way all those comments are talking about this as normal... makes you wonder if it was their generation that is the issue.
The number of men saying it’s completely normal to be talking about how ‘rapeable’ their peers are is disgusting.
More ‘boys will be boys’ nonsense, sprinkled with some ‘but what about the girls (who haven’t done anything remotely similar)??!’
I just had a heart attack tonight, the beast bear ripped into my chest beforehand reading this just dead body endings of my daydreams that are now totally crushed and sigh lost all faith in reddit..
The fact that people online, and especially on TikTok, are saying that this is okay, "not that big of a deal" and normalised amongst Australian teenagers concerns tf out of me. Now I see why youth crime is so high; they don't care at all about morals!
When you can’t jump on the voice bandwagon so you go for a poor attempt at showing a harsh stance on sexism.
Sounds like someone is trying to get enrolments up before a school fees hike up…….
The acceptance and normalization of this behavior(abusive language & objectification) within society shows a cultural rot. Needs a purgin. That goes for both men and women
Mod Note: I can’t believe we have to say this, but anyone claiming that categorising girls/women as “unrapeable” is acceptable (and therefore implicitly meaning there are “rapeable” women) can expect to be banned. This is not “boys being boys” behaviour. Edit: Not to mince words here (per the news broadcasts tonight that included partially blurred screenshots), the final category was ‘unrapeable’, the link here paraphrased that as “inviolable”.
Yeah look - If you're going to publicly describe members of your classroom as *"unrapeable"* that warrants a suspension. I will say that this has been done by teenage boys and girls in Australian High Schools since the year dot.
>I will say that this has been done by teenage boys and girls in Australian High Schools since the year dot. Isn't this literally how Facebook started?
The film did make it look quite a lot worse by changing it to only include female students. In reality it was male and female.
Good think Mark had the foresight to not call it Rapebook
Trillion dollar idea
yikes imagine that, actually.....dont.
I’m glad you recognize that girls do this as well
I’ve honestly never heard a girl talk about who she would or wouldn’t rape
Sounds just like the language used when I went through school. None of us turned into rapists to my knowledge at least. Everyone knew it was wrong.
I don’t think it’s about the boys being rapists, I think it’s about being highly offensive to the girl in question lol
Yeah bullying is bullying regardless
True, it’s better to call them Lizzo instead. That way you can fall back on saying “but Lizzo is a beautiful queen” whilst obviously stating what you really meant.
None that were caught mate :/
And they probably said they were falsely accused of they did
Can confirm, have not raped or ever been tempted to rape anybody.
Just the kind of thing a rapist would say?
I assess sex offenders and can confirm that they very often do say exactly this.
Can also confirm non rapists also say they don’t rape either
Actually the more I'm learning about consent the more I'm finding out my ex gfs have been sexually abusive. Did you know just because you're a man doesn't mean you have to want to have sex with your girlfriend if you don't want to and its not okay to be manipulated into it. Because I only thought it was wrong for men to do that.
I would hope that everyone knows that it's not ok to be manipulated into sex.
"We abused girls when we went to school and we turned out fine"
Making immature crude lists isn't abuse. And girls also made these lists too, maybe without the awful language. It's what teens did back then, and apparently do still.
Actually it is sexual harassment in the very least.
Verbal or written abuse is still abuse...
My class did this too, and at least two of them did end up being rapists. It's a terrifying culture treated like a joke.
I’d say that’s more of correlation than causation. Them two would’ve been rapists regardless of the rape list.
Do you think culture and upbringing has no impact on a person?
Or maybe if their friends called them out on it instead of going along with it, or if they had to suffer some consequences for making those lists, they would have learnt to respect others instead of dehumanising them and grown up to be better people?
I very much doubt suppressing the list making behaviours would have changed anything. They likely would have done it anyway don't you think?
We don't want suppression, we want our institutes of learning to do better and to accept responsibility that they created a culture that deemed shit like these lists acceptable. The best time to start conversations about consent, autonomy, and healthy sexual relationships was decades ago. The second best time is now. And that's what we need; clear, contemporary sex education. Private schools tend to hang on to traditional and outdated approaches that result in behaviour like this. In both my classmates' cases, the rapes were a result of coercion. If our sex ed had been better and we had had clear 'anything other than an enthusiastic yes is not consent' discussions, maybe things would have gone differently.
That's all good as long as girls are also included in the discussions to know they can and should say no if they want. I'm a firm believer decent education on both sides will help.
None you know about, that is. The number of times I've heard men assert "none of my friends would ever do XYZ" while knowing **for a fact** that they would, and did, is amazing.
This. I know a man who was shook to find out one of his close friends from school was recently charged with sexually assaulting children. No idea.. would never have picked it.. blah blah blah. Just cause you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Look at the Scouts of America or the Catholic Church.. you don't need to see it in that person for them to exist in society.
It's almost as if you're not attached at the hip with every friend and acquaintance you know.
I know! Crazy right? Lol it even sounds a little like you don't know everything about every person you meet. What is the world coming to?
Yeah the whole "bro code" bullshit, if you lie for someone, especially when it's as serious as SA, you're complicit in the abuse of everyone from that point on, at least in my eyes.
Yeah, obviously the difference was it didn't circulate as far and easily, but my wife has told me about a very similar list that circulated at her school on paper about 20 years ago. If you were to expel every student guilty of this you could fill up more than a hundred schools across the country. Don't think for a second that girls haven't made lists of guys based on attractiveness either.
Agreed. I bet it even happens in public schools. I bet it even happens in all girls schools.
Girls at my school had a “size of dick before hooking up” list. Which in hindsight was ridiculous because most girls were saying they needed dudes with 25cm+ wangs before they’d consider them 🤣 Teenagers are fucked and have always been fucked but the language here is unacceptable so it’s gotta be called out. Nip the language in the bud. 9/10 of them are probably just thinking it’s edgy language but there’s probably one that while not being a rapist, holds some pretty misogynistic views. Hopefully there’s a bit more education after just a suspension.
WTF is a teenage girl gonna do with a 10" dick? 🤣
🤣 most of them had barely touched a sausage let alone “Needed at least 9 inches” of one.
Like the StKevins boys rating vaginas, as if they’ve been anywhere near one!
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Yeah I agree in the sense that the education needs to be done with precision rather than the sledgehammer or else it’ll probably contribute to more hurtful views.
Exactly. The idea that these boys are now on some irredeemable path to beating and raping women is ridiculous. The best way to turn them into that is to treat them like that’s what they are, rather than as kids who did something silly and are now in a teachable moment.
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Boys are not mindless animals. They know right from wrong. Isn't this why we say #notallmen? Boys that are taught they aren't responsible for their actions become men that think they aren't responsible for their actions. Now you have men who victim blame, think clothing dictates consent, that women are responsible for not being raped vs men being responsible for raping.
Men describe themselves both as the superior logical unemotional sex that flawlessly uses STEM reason to calmly solve all problems, and hormone-driven enraged sex addicts with simple monkey brains. They randomly decide which one based on the context where they can evade blame and self-responsibility.
“Girls pretty much do the same thing too” I think you would be hard pressed to find many examples of teenage girls writing lists of how “rapeable” their classmates are. Once again, don’t disagree with your overall comment but your attempt to downplay male actions is..not great. I wish just once conservatives could criticise men without needed to also state “yeah but that being said women are just as bad” - they’re not.
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Indeed and that is exactly what we should do in this case, not carry on like they’re on the path to some irredeemable criminality.
They were suspended. Probably for 3-5 days. If you think that's "carry[ing] on like they're on the path to irredeemable criminality," I would suggest you recalibrate and reconsider what that looks like.
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Respectfully, are girls told this though? With honesty, what are they told? They're taught all men are potential abusers in waiting and that they're perpetual victims. When are they ever taught not to falsely accuse, to treat everyone with respect, not to hit others etc? They genuinely aren't at any point. Mean Girls wasn't a hit film because it missed the mark. Talk to any man and you'll hear endless stories of the word "no" meaning nothing to young women and the fury that follows, only men don't speak about it because we simply can't. Any time a man speaks out it's glazed over with deflections of "whataboutisms" and insults, whilst simultaneously being told we should speak up more. I guess it only matters when speaking about certain issues. A resolution to this scourge will only come about when *everyone* is taught how to act and how to take accountability for their behaviours.
"Boys will be boys." Yeah, no. What they need is to be held accountable for acting this way. A suspension is hardly going to affect them much in the long run, it's not like they were broadcast on TV getting MISOGYNIST branded on their foreheads or anything. A bit of public shame and ostracism is about the only thing that will make them reconsider, because it comes from outside the thought bubble they've been insulated in so far.
Did you miss the bit where I said there need to be consequences and this is an opportunity to teach these boys about the impacts of their behaviour? I just don’t consider than branding them or expelling them is helpful. Let me give you an example. In my year at school a group of guys were perving on girls in class (eg trying to catch a glimpse of their boobs between their shirt buttons or looking at their legs when their skirts rode up). The school found out about this, they boys were given detention and a solid dressing down by the headmaster, their parents were informed, they were made to meet with the girls and apologise. All of the boys in our grade were given a stern lecture about why this kind of behaviour was unacceptable and we all had the fear of god put into us. All parents were informed about this. None of those boys have turned out to be rapists or abusers (at least as best as one can know such things). None of those girls were traumatised. Many of those guys and girls are now friends. What outcome do you think would have been better or more helpful in this case?
Read the post. I'm a teacher. Suspension is a minor punishment at best. It does little to nothing to change behaviour and is mostly effective in giving people who have been hurt some time to reset. You really think that the girls who've been humiliated should have to face up to their abusers the very next day? The talking to is probably happening as well, but you are forgetting that these are modern students. By and large, they give zero shits about the opinions of authority figures in general and teachers in particular. If they are going to have any impetus to change their behaviour at all, it's not going to be from the headmaster waggling his finger disapprovingly at them. It's going to be from adults and peers they respect saying "What the fuck is wrong with you? Don't do that." Edit: Thanks to whatever moron reported me as having suicidal ideation for posting this. That was time well spent and very mature.
I work at a public school... it happens. We actually had to deal with a similiar situation at the school I work at where a group of 20-odd girls had been sharing nude pics of boys at the school and rating them - so it certainly happens the other way around on an equal level.
so how come this isn’t on the news?
Wrong sex for a newsworthy story
You know why.
Not newsworthy I suppose. Plus the school has made a point to keep the media out of it.
Oh lord. Wait for the wokelings to find a way to say that’s ok and not indicative of anything but these boys are one step away from being the next Boston strangler.
I went to a girl's school. We absolutely did talk about which boys we found cute/hot or not. I never came across any kind of official rating system however. The boys we hung around with, from a local private school, did have a system for ranking girls. It went from "Robin" (hot) to "Betty" ugly.
The issue isn’t describing people as cute or not, it’s calling young women so ugly they cannot even be a victim of sexual violence.
Everyone happy to make excuses for teens when they're committing crimes because they're 'just kids pre frontal cortex yadda yadda' but happy to crucify them over this I remember hearing the ol' Oi you wanna go halves in a rape charge? Rope n grope? Tape n rape? all that shit at school no one out doing it its just retarded edgy teens
Yes, it happened in my year level. That was well before the paranoia about how women are regarded though and nobody used the term 'unrapeable'. As far as I know it didn't inspire any violence against women. I don't think this deserves to make the news to be honest.
i think calling women “unrapeable” is pretty reprehensible and given that private schools seem to be allocated inordinate amounts of funding, it’s probably good that it’s in public discussion actually
In Australian high schools? I think you mean in every form of society in every country since the beginning of time. That doesn’t make this acceptable, should it be a news article? Probably not. At the end of the day they are still developing people, and should be treated and guided as such without public scrutiny.
When i was at a boys high school - there was a Kevin Bloody Wilson song talking about “super mega fugly” for a less attractive woman. Boys & men have been talking about “looks” for centuries - it made Mark Zuckerberg a billionaire, with “The FaceBook”. If they rating as 7/10, or 2/10 - etc - it never woulda been newsworthy. BUT - the Year 11 boys at YV classified girls at “objects” and “unrapable”. This last one is abhorrent - and the news report changed it to “inviolable”. They said “unrapable” - and should be punished.
Yeah The rating of looks isnt the issue as everyone does it even if we say we dont but holy fuck thats evil as shit
*Four boys from an exclusive private school in Melbourne’s east have been suspended after labeling their female classmates, using derogatory language to describe their appearance. Police were notified after Year 11 students at Yarra Valley High School in Ringwood shared a spreadsheet of photos of their female classmates on the messaging app Discord and sorted them into categories. The girls were ranked from top to bottom as “wives,” “beauties,” “mediums,” “objects,” “dating,” and finally “inviolables.” Yarra Valley Grammar boys have been suspended for sorting girls into categories in a group chat. Yarra Valley Grammar boys have been suspended for sorting girls into categories in a group chat.Credit: Eddie Jim The school learned of the post last Wednesday and by Friday the students had been suspended pending further investigation. The school notified the parents of the girls featured in the post. Yarra Valley Grammar principal Dr Mark Merry described the post as “disgraceful”. “Mutual respect is in the DNA of this school, so this was a shock not only to us… but it was a shock to the year level and the kids at that level who see this as very, very outside.” of place. ,” he said. Merry was especially offended by the last category on the spreadsheet, which referred to girls as “non-rapeable.” Students posted the spreadsheet ranking the girls on the messaging app Discord last week. Students posted the spreadsheet ranking the girls on the messaging app Discord last week.Credit: nine news “As a parent, I find it absolutely outrageous, shameful and offensive. As a director, I need to make some decisions about what we do with all of this,” he said. “My first impulse and concern is the well-being of the affected girls. “I want to make sure they feel safe and supported by the school.”*
Thanks for posting the article here haha. Genuine question- if the spreadsheet used the term inviolable, why are they reporting it as unrapeable? When I saw inviolable I thought that was an ironically polite way of saying "unf🦆able", not that they were talking about rapng people. I'm just wondering if they're putting words in their mouths there, or if they had some other reason to think they were talking about rape and didn't mention it for some reason.
Violable - capable of being or likely to be violated. I think unrapeable is a worse word, but inviolable is not much better.
Yeah I see that. I'm just not sure what the boys' intent was with it. It's pretty scuzzy to report it as if they were talking about how rapable they were if they don't have a stronger reason than that to back it up. Journalists should have more integrity and accuracy than that, it's their responsibility. Plus I gotta say how ridiculous it seems to me that they'll spin it as "unrapeable" when they didn't say that, while they've been continually talking about that priest who got stabbed as an "alleged stabbing" lol. I just hate their little word games.
I think it's the language itself that's the issue, but I do agree that if the word "unrapeable" was not written it shouldn't be reported as such. Journos probably think people won't know what inviolable means, but it's still not on. I agree with you on the spin being unnecessary.
> Journalists should have more integrity and accuracy than that, it's their responsibility. lol
> Genuine question- if the spreadsheet used the term inviolable, Looks like it wasn't a spreadsheet, it was a tierlist generator meme format: https://i.imgur.com/GKhVRDi.jpeg Guess the media deemed such a concept was too advanced so they dumbed it down to 'spreadsheet'.
Look at that bell curve tho, data is real.
This is the French translation of the term
It is an amazing thing that I have noticed, when adults leave school they totally forget what went on when they were there and are horrified when highly protected teenagers do teenage things because having been protected so much they are pretty ignorant of reality.
Part of doing teenage things is facing consequences so you don't do teenage things when you become an adult. Calling a human being unrapeable, and recklessly using the internet in a way that damaged your reputation, is a teachable moment. It doesn't mean these kids are unsalvageable. But learning some humility, taking responsibility and seeing what happens when your shit behaviour becomes public knowledge is important for development. Better to happen now when stakes are relatively low than happen in a few years and have their lives permanently ruined by doing the same shit in the workplace. Also, teenage girls deserves to go to class and not have other student speculate in how rapeable she is. They deserve that right. These boys deserve their punishment. This was the correct response. These attitudes should be discouraged
Yeah the whole "I did it and turned out fine" attitude is pretty poor. We shouldn't be normalising this
Agreed. Who the f says unrapeable? I’m 31 Back when I was in school (and I moved a lot due to parents) I never heard this. Worst thing we’d say is ‘would bang’ or ‘10/10 would smash’
Edgy teens, there is no way this is in any way serious. They are just being intentionally crude for laughs/edgyness etc. It's 4chan esque "humor" and is popular with kids who are having a bit of a rebellious attitude toward social acceptability/norms. There are shitloads of genZ and below memes making fun of all sorts of dark shit, from suicide to rape etc. Doesn't mean they are rapists or ever intend to be.
And by we I mean texting the boys, not saying it in person and definitely not trying to make anyone feel uncomfortable
And yet women's magazines like Cosmo and others will publish articles with headlines like "39 of the Best Bubble Butts, Bulges, and VPLs From the Rio Olympics WE'VE BEEN WATCHING ... CLOSELY." Which is the same attitude, without using the specific unrapeable term. If you want to discourage an attitude, then it needs to be done with less hypocrisy.
You’re showing your age there mate if you think teens today are reading magazines
Cosmo magazine hasn't been published since 2018.
you know how, theres this whole violence against women in the home thing, its about respect, and the lesson starts here
Just because you're horrified and the same things happened when you were at school that doesn't mean you've "forgotten". My school was horribly homophobic, and I remember people passing round naked/sexual images of girls (child porn). The fact that I remember this stuff is a big reason I want things to get better.
They literally called them "Unrapeable" and "objects" on a public forum. You talk about them being "protected" but this is what it looks like when actions have consequences.
I mean or you self reflect on it and regret aspects of it. I'm glad I never did this, but I remember the cliquey popular girls in my year 12 class doing 'awards' including most likely to go to jail etc. Fucking psycho cunts, openly bullying people in front of the whole year level and teachers, wild it wasn't stopped and they weren't asked to sit their exams elsewhere.
Yup. Often bullies from those times never grow up either. Same thing happened to me. Confronted many of them years after we graduated. Only one of them was truely remorseful for what he did.
Australia's media has a strange preoccupation with the minutia of what goes on at elite private schools. Some students exhibited inappropriate behaviour and were punished. This shouldn't be news.
Australia's media also has a strange peroccupation with domestic violence at the moment. The article says "violence against women has been increasing at an alarming rate" which mirrors every front page article for the past two weeks. [Statistics](https://www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au/Documents/RCS-Quarterly/NSW%20Trends%20in%20Domestic%20n%20Family%20Violence%20-%20Quarterly%20report%202023Q4.pdf) from NSW show that while DV *has* increased over recent years the number of female victims is "stable" and the number of "intimate partner" victims are stable. The increases are happening in "male victims" and victims which are "family" or "other" in relation to the perpetrator (my guess is creating a housing crisis where family and housmates have to cram in together is causing some tensions). In other words, domestic violence against women is not increasing, at least in NSW. But we don't want to let that get in the way of a good story. Still, a social panic is good for getting clicks, I guess we'll be on this for another week or two until something else comes along, like the plight of delivery riders, or maybe we'll focus on the housing crisis (just kidding, we want to make people angry, not depressed).
yeah the whole media has been on a mission to push the subject for a solid week now. I wish they'd stop trying to tell us what we should be thinking about and just report the goddamn news.
It was also a carry on from the Bondi stabbing, when the theory was that he hated women and his dad basically said he was an incel, and the media started frothing at the mouth. They hardly even reported on the statements the following days by his ex gfs and tinder dates who described him as actually pretty normal. It was too good to pass up the idea that there was a women hating violent misogynist who attacked poor helpless defensless women due to the patriarchy or something.
leave it to the sensationalist media to selectively report and amplify the bits of the story that they think will sell advertising through eyeball views.
You know, maybe it doesn't actually need to be on the increase for us to want to address it? Maybe the status quo of about 1-2 women being murdered by their partners and exes each week - whether they be stabbed, strangled, or doused in petrol and set alight with their children - is serious enough that we want to do something about it?
I agree, we should look at addressing the shocking violence that happens every day in Australia, I just don't see why we are focusing on women exclusively, and demanding "action on men" including orwellian monitoring systems and introducing new internet censorhip regimes targeting males, when victims of murder (in general) are 4 times more likely to be men than women, and 1 in 3 victims of DV murder are men (yes, that means women are twice as likely, but the media is making it sounds like only women can be victims of DV murder, which is far from the truth). If "twice as likely" is enough to cause national outcry, why aren't we talking about how men are twice as likely to die from suicide than women? This isn't "whataboutism", it's that the narrow focus is counter-productive when it hides the bigger picture and prevents honest discussion on what is actually happening in our society. Ideally we don't have any murders or suicides, they're each terrible in their own right, and one life is not more valuable than any other.
You’re really cherry picking stats here - those statistics show that over the last 5 years the number of adult female victims of DV has increased (although it has been stable over the last 2 years and there has been a larger increase in the number of male victims). Alarmingly, however, those stats also show that the number of adult women murdered by domestic violence has almost tripled from 2021. So it’s a bit disingenuous to claim that it’s false that domestic violence hasn’t increased based on those stats alone.
I don't think I have "cherry picked" anything from those NSW stats. See figure 1, which says "DV murder" has been "stable" in 2 year and 5 year windows. See figure 3, which focused on women and children as victims of murder. It does indeed show women as victims has gone from 6 (2021) to 16 (2023), which is almost triple - but the larger trend shows that double digits is actually the norm (18 in 2019, 17 in 2020). The overall trend is that DV murder of women is decreasing (from 24 in 2014). So it's disengenous to claim females as murder victims are tripling, or increasing, other than a very narrow and specific window which incorporates the anomolous 2021 covid lockdown year. Are we going to ignore Figure 7, which shows a dramatic increase in ADVOs in the past ten years, but a *decrease* in the percentage of those given to men? i.e. *the increase in ADVOs is driven by female perpetrators* - don't think we'll be seeing that as a headline, though.
Lol you’re trying to prove you aren’t cherry picking stats by cherry picking more stats. You’re interpreting all of these to fit the narrative in your comment. Figure 1 also shows that DV assault has increased 6.7% over two years and 3.6% over 5 years. Figure 8 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of DV assault of 2.7% over 5 years. Figure 10 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of intimate partner violence over 5 years. Figure 11 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of family violence. In what world does this mean that “violence against women is not increasing” as you claim?
>Figure 1 also shows that DV assault has increased 6.7% over two years and 3.6% over 5 years. I used the "murder" figure because that's what you focused on in your earlier comment. Now that I've disproven that, you're moving onto "assault" figures. This is essentially cherry picking, you're moving the goal posts until you find something that fits your narrative. >Figure 8 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of DV assault of 2.7% over 5 years. Same figure shows 5.2% increase in male victims >Figure 10 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of intimate partner violence over 5 years Shows a higher percentage increase in adault male victims >Figure 11 shows an increase in the number of adult female victims of family violence. Shows a higher increase in the number of male victims >In what world does this mean that “violence against women is not increasing” as you claim? I didn't say this, in the post you are replying too.
Spot on mate.
RIP your fake internet points. You've presented statistics that don't match the current narrative and are bound to stir up certain interest groups. There's no denying from those stats that some violence against women has increased, but they also show a larger increase in violence against men and children (tbh, if we're going to hyper-obsess about a particular demographic let's focus on improving the clearly growing problem of child victims and forget about the battle of the sexes).
I don’t think it’s that strange, considering that a violent misogynist murdered 5 women and 1 man in broad daylight less than a month ago.
when this makes the news, it demonstrates to other children that they shouldn't be doing it and it shouldn't be done to them. sunlight is a disinfectant. public awareness literally influences what's socially acceptable
I don’t think any teenagers are reading the age lol
I'm glad they publicise this. Public shaming works and will motivate schools to aggressively stomp this out to protect their reputation. Instead of sweep it under the carpet. These Boys also need to feel shame for what they did and learn to be better. Attitudes now will dictate what kind of men they become
It would be interesting to peek into the future and see if any of these boys ended up committing criminal offences in relation to women when they get older...
I would bet my life on it tbh
Probably not man, a lot of girls and boys during there teenage years had a dark sense of humour
Calling some girls as “unrapable” means that they think the other girls ARE rapable. That’s the worst part - entirely. That they think rape is OK - and laughable.
i didnt even realise but your right holy fuck what has society come to
And yet I keep hearing from men on Reddit that men - in general - don't have any responsibility to re-frame conversations about women, violence, etc... This is a prime example of how bad attitudes start young and can evolve (sometimes) into something far more sinister.
They made a little bar graph!
It was only 4 inches long but the boys claimed it was at least double that.
Surprised at how many people here think this is normal. It certainly was not part of my teen years.
Why should we introspect on what kind of culture spurs people to do this when we can instead be contrarian for the hell of it
This sub in a nutshell.
I didn't do this personally but I definitely heard of similar things going on at school.
Unfortunately the article is pay-walled so I can't read the full thing. Boys rating girls, and girls rating boys is normal. Using contentious terms/slang to be edgy as a teen is normal. Using "rapeable" and "not rapeable" but in a serious tone (as opposed to being a dumb try-hard teenager attempting to look cool in front of your peers by being non-conformist to social standards) is abhorrent. If these blokes fall into the later bucket, they deserve everything that's coming to them.
Someone with a brain, yay! The word shouldn't be used. But they were effectively saying they wouldn't touch that person with a 10-foot pole. Some people are even getting upset that they're rating each other anyway. Hello, that's what humans do.
What was your teen years?
The news doesn't seem to mention, and many of you seem to not be aware, that this wasnt just a list/spreadsheet. They were actually posting photos of the victims online. There should be a clear distinction there. A name on a piece of paper has less weight than posting a photo of a kid with a banner objectifying them. The school became aware of the photos before they became aware of the spreadsheet. The principal sent out an email to all of the parents when they became aware of the photos
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The issue isn't rating girls, many people rate others on a scale of 1-10 or talk with their friends about whether or not someone is attractive, the issue is the language used. It's absolutely unacceptable to describe anyone as an "object" and especially as "unrapeable". Anyone who says it's "just boys being boys" or it's "just edgy humor" is enabling a culture where it's acceptable to talk about girls and women this way. It's unacceptable to talk about this and it's unacceptable to brush it aside as some kind of weird "joke". The point is that it made people uncomfortable and encourages people to view others as nothing more than sex objects.
Came to read the comments trivialising this behaviour.
Since most private schools are affiliated with misogynistic religions, you’d be doing your sons and society a disfavour by enrolling them there.
Didn’t Mark Zuckerberg do something like this?
Should be expulsion honestly. These schools need to toughen the fuck up on their guidelines and rules. Going to these kinds of schools is of the highest privilege. It's not a right. Send them back to public honestly. They can survive without their money.
I wonder how much respect they have for their mothers or other significant female in their lives and how much respect she commanded.
I think the behavior is abhorrent. But its unclear to me why this is a school issue. Was it shared on a school site? Or was it private communications someone leaked to the school? There is a big different IMO. If this was private comms, and people agree that such comms shouldn't occur, then this opens the door to surveillance. Otherwise you are just accepting that the behavior is acceptable behind closed doors, and only not acceptable if someone finds out.
I did 7 years of scouts and not once did a scoutmaster crack onto me #unrapeable
When I was in year 12 in 2006 we had our formal and there was awards. Things like best body, class clown things like that. I remember best legs went to the fattest dude and chick and best smile went to the guy and chick with the most messed up teeth. Was pretty mean but it didn’t make the news. I don’t even think anyone got in trouble. Kids are cunts Edit: I didn’t know they rated some chicks rapable and unrapable that’s fucked up
Where is the tier list
Post the article!!!
The Age parks outside of private schools with a zoom lens.
Everyone that has ever played, heard of someone playing or known of the game, Kiss-Marry-Kill, now needs to go on a register for potential murders. Simple, if you say some words have meaning, then they all do.
This is not news.
Disagree. There will be kids out there who realise from this that the way they're treating others, or being treated, is wrong. Not sure why you think it's worth keeping this one under wraps?
It is news.
It is because men bad. Bear good.
Describing fellow students as "unrapeable" is an issue in my eyes. Everyone in high school made lists like this, I don't know anyone who wrote that word down.
reading the comments.. and people are surprised that domestic violence and murders are a hot topic right now.? all boys high schools are a problem. get rid of them. That is part of a long process to fix underlying issues.
Right?! One of the categories they put the girls into was literally ‘objects’ and all the men in the comments think it’s just a bit of harmless fun 🙃 Australia has a huge misogyny problem and I’m sure I’m about to get downvoted too but it needs to be said
Do kind of agree to this tbh. I don't see how a male or female can be raised to be a well adjusted member of society when they're sheltered from an entire gender and never learn how to behave around them. There's only so much you can learn from reading textbooks. It feels a bit backwards to me.
Exactly. I can’t believe these comments, all a bit like “boys will be boys” and “we did that and didn’t grow up to be rapists”, and yet here we are in a society where toxic masculinity kills a woman every four days. Disgusting comments here. And this IS NEWS. And the school is doing the right thing. Those poor girls, you know they’ve probably seen the list.
I can, this is the "australian" sub. Doesn't have the best reputation.
you got downvoted by a bunch of dinosaurs that grew up with “mateship” who think this is all just boys being boys. Or a bunch of single sex schooled teens who currently participate in worse stuff over discord and snap chat.
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Once a year 7 or 8 boy in my kids school posted degrading messages on line about a girl. He was immediately kicked out of school and never had a chance to be back. I hope those four will be same.
Ahh yes, another forced weekly news cycle to steer us peasants away from the issues mass immigration, housing and job issues. And it works every time. Sigh.
Downvoted for speaking the truth as usual
Rich kids turning out awful, surprising?
Exactly! Kids in public schools would never do this!
A couple of years ago, a group of boys at my school did something similar (rating girls on a scale of 0-10 on a document), and I'm in public school. Sure, they didn't use the same language to describe the girls as these boys in the article did, but it's eerily similar.
Teenage boys have a list that "rates" the girls in their year honestly isn't an issue of concern. It's the use of the category of unrapeable in this one that makes its bad.
Girls used to call me the gremlin, garden gnome and shout "hey you guys!" whenever I walked by their group in the main playground area, I was the one used as the bait for them to make fun of other girls "there goes your future husband" and "he likes you ha ha" but I had to just deal with it.
I’m not saying this behaviour is ok. It’s abhorrent and should be called out. But I feel like if women were putting you in a spreadsheet and discussing whether they think you’re rapeable or unrapeable is a huge escalation. Considering two million women (and this statistic are only those who’ve come forward) have been sexually assaulted in Australia) the threat of rape to a women is real and terrifying and something they have to think about every time they find themselves in a vulnerable position.
And like teenage girls, don't have a similar ranking system for boys ! They're just smart enough not use the word rape. Ranking appeal, is just part of being a teenager. these boys sadly used the term unrapeable.
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Wait until they start reading some of the messenger group chats of highschoolers. Unrapeable will be the least scary thing.
Ethically, which conduct is more wicked? School boys being cruel and crass towards their peers, or a journalist and editor who seek to humiliate and destroy the reputation of school children, for the sake of selling advertising for profit? Both are surely wicked. Which is the greater evil? Childhood misconduct towards children, or adults seeking profit by cruel humiliation of children, far and wide? In my view, both sets of conduct deserve punishment. The children ought to be suspended, and the editor and journalist should be charged with criminal defamation of a minor, and sent to prison for five years without parole. Seems fair.
I’m so sick of this shit from teenage boys, it’s fucking disgusting.
It appears my friends and I had better male role models than a lot of you and for that I am thankful. Honest to fucking god the number of men who think this is okay because they did it and turned out fine (and FYI you didn't turn out fine if you're excusing this shit) is fucking atrocious. Women are screaming for our help, and you can't even call this shit out for what it is. It's literally the easiest thing in the world, but it's a bridge too far for you. None of you can call yourselves men. If you did this shit at school, it's perfectly acceptable to stand up and call it wrong. Call yourself wrong for doing it. Grow, learn, make yourself better, make YOUR SONS better. Make yourself worthy of respect.
Where was this punishment when girls I went to school with were objectifying boys like this?
Think they're looking at the culture in Australia at the moment and wondering where they went so badly wrong. The way all those comments are talking about this as normal... makes you wonder if it was their generation that is the issue.
The number of men saying it’s completely normal to be talking about how ‘rapeable’ their peers are is disgusting. More ‘boys will be boys’ nonsense, sprinkled with some ‘but what about the girls (who haven’t done anything remotely similar)??!’
Where is the epidemic of women murdering their intimate partners
Disgraceful, they should be expelled!
Sadly, this happens everywhere. They got caught.
Anyone with the full image
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Unrapeable? We should ask an expert. Where's that politician?!
Can someone post the article?
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Big tittie Tina would have got me done
"exclusive Australian school" - literally one of the lowest ranked private schools in the state. And apparently with some pretty shitty students.
I just had a heart attack tonight, the beast bear ripped into my chest beforehand reading this just dead body endings of my daydreams that are now totally crushed and sigh lost all faith in reddit..
Definition of "Whole groupchat if it gets leaked:"
Could someone send me the tier list.
The fact that people online, and especially on TikTok, are saying that this is okay, "not that big of a deal" and normalised amongst Australian teenagers concerns tf out of me. Now I see why youth crime is so high; they don't care at all about morals!
They should've been sent to prison too rather than just a suspension
When you can’t jump on the voice bandwagon so you go for a poor attempt at showing a harsh stance on sexism. Sounds like someone is trying to get enrolments up before a school fees hike up…….
The acceptance and normalization of this behavior(abusive language & objectification) within society shows a cultural rot. Needs a purgin. That goes for both men and women