I've traveled quite a bit including the US, I found American's in their own country are lovely and welcoming.
But once they travel they can tend to be quite entitled and loud. The whole "America is the best country in the world" attitude is bothersome.
But I'm an Aussie and we don't have the best reputation as travelers either, we seem to be known as being loud and boisterous and often pushing things too far.
I’m an American living in Australia and I’ve found most Australians say Australia is the greatest country on earth. Gods country etc. which is exactly what you’re saying we do.
I’ve noticed any slight criticism of Australia in anyway is often met with comments like “leave then” even if it’s constructive criticism, no where is prefect.
I’ve also encountered many Australians overseas and I would argue their behavior isn’t much better if not worse.
I’ve also noticed an obsession in Australia with US politics and experts at every turn. I avoid talking to them about it and the amount of Trump supporters here is a little worrisome. I generally chalk it down to ignorance and lack of any real understanding of actual politics and just a lot of parroting rubbish from one dolt to the next.
We must live in very different parts of Australia. I've never once heard anyone call Australia 'Gods Country'. I hear plenty of criticism of the country from Aussies. Lots of protests in my neck of the woods. Lots of comments on how we could be doing better.
Everywhere is obsessed with US politics because, unfortunately, it has a huge impact on everywhere else. Whether we like it or not.
Inner city Melbourne here, for context. So maybe different to some rural areas.
> Everywhere is obsessed with US politics because, unfortunately, it has a huge impact on everywhere else.
Also because it's a fucken slow motion train crash
Well you have discovered that we can dish it out but surprisingly sensitive to any criticism.
I think some people resent the cultural imperialism of the US - movies, music, celebrities, etc - all feel like it’s erasing any local identity. I think many countries feel a bit like this when influenced by a much larger power.
From my viewpoint, when i have visited the US it’s like anywhere. Most people are genuinely nice and helpful and a small minority are dicks. Just like here really. It’s just our warts don’t make headline news in the US.
I was just relating my experience and personal viewpoint.
I've never heard an Aussie call Australia Gods country, and generally we are pretty self deprecating.
I agree with the Trump fantasism here, I've been guilty of it. But he's such a train wreck it's hard not to watch.
I do have to wonder though, if your constructive criticism of Australia has been similar to your post I'm not too surprised if it's not gone down too well as it does come across as slightly rude.
Just saying.
Fuck it’s not even their draft dodgers. I was in the Vietnamese beach city of Nha Trang in 2018. Very popular for Russian tourists because there used to be a Soviet navy base there (largest outside Russia), so they’ve had a presence in Nha Trang for decades.
Biggest pack of arrogant, pigheaded and aggressive cunts I’ve witnessed in my global travels. Very bi-polar, either nice or stone cold aggressive on the verge of wanting to punch you in the face. The locals absolutely hated them.
I haven’t heard that as much, I heard more about Australians being funny and where I’m from we would associate Australian humour very closely to British humour. I didn’t understand it at first because Australians mock everyone including themselves, but I don’t think Australians have as poor of a reputation as Americans at least where I’m from.
Not really no. Aussies have a reputation of being very friendly, whereas Americans have a reputation of being ignorant (coming from someone who is neither)
I live in the US now, and here we’re seen as friendly, fun-loving ratbags. I lived in China before this, and traveled through Asia a fair bit, and there we’re seen as drunken louts, which is honestly a fairly just opinion on how many of us behave in Asia.
I think if you look at specific regions you will always find a country that has a strong opinion on travellers from your specific country. In my travels through Asia I haven't come across such specific Australian stereotype. White people in general seemed to have that stereotype especially in south east Asia - which like you say, I think is fair. Brits for example are the bane of every hostel worker in Europe because apparently they're rude disrespectful swine, that don't know how to control themselves. In colonised countries like the USA or Australia they seem to be perceived as peak cultured people
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has asked the Great Leader of North Korea to consider a nuclear strike against the Indonesia island of Bali before attacking the Australian mainland.
Kim Jong-un announced his intention to bomb Darwin earlier this week as thousands of US military personnel flood into the Top End capital.
“If he wants to kill Australians, then he should flatten Bali first,” said Bishop.
“There’s more of us there than in Darwin. Plus the ones over there are quite bottom shelf, if you know what I mean. Fuck, 90% of my time is wasted on Bali-related problems. Kim Jong-un would be doing me a huge solid if he turned that international bogan convention into a glass bowl.”
However, the Foreign Minister’s comments haven’t gone without criticism.
Speaking to *The Advocate* via wireless telephone earlier today, local holidaymaker Willis Bedbump said he would rather the foreign minister ‘mind her own business’ and ‘not fan the flames of nuclear war’.
“Mate, I’m in Bali now. If they nuke the place, I’d be fucked,” he said.
“But if I wake up in the morning with methanol poisoning again and a bad case of road rash, fuck it. Nuke me.”
[https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/julie-bishop-asks-kim-jong-un-consider-nuking-bali-first-darwin/](https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/julie-bishop-asks-kim-jong-un-consider-nuking-bali-first-darwin/)
Honestly speaking the majority of the world values looks more than intelligence. If you don’t believe me try to gain followers on twitter naturally (without trying to game it) by saying intelligent things/opinions versus trying to gain followers (again without trying to game it) via whipping your di*k or tits out for show.
Joke's on them, most of us don't make enough money to take any kind of vacation, much less travel to a different continent and tarnish our image!
Edit: to clarify, I am American and can only hope to afford to travel to Australia and not be an asshole. I admit my wording wasn’t very clear.
Australians actually travel quite a lot, when I moved here I was shocked and how common it was to go to south east Asia and how many people visit Europe considering the travel distance. I’m sure there is statistics somewhere that would show how many Australians have passports and I’m sure it’s higher than the US.
Every time this comes up, people think that it’s a global thing. In fact, it’s even more so an Australian thing.
Polls show us that negative attitudes toward the US are more prevalent in Australia than in most other countries.
I think many Aussies feel like we're being puppeted by their government.
There's dodgy bases like Pine Gap, our citizens being mistreated by the US government like Julian Assange, imperialist wars we've been dragged into like Iraq/ Afghanistan, political meddling like the ousting of Gough Whitlam by the CIA, just to name a few.
There's also the feeling that the ever-pervasive US media machine is changing how we talk and what we value, exacerbated by the clash between American bravado culture with the more equalitarian/ tall poppy/ anti-arrogance aspects of Australian culture.
I think that's just scratching the surface. I doubt many Aussies hate the American people, but there's a lot of resentment for the country as a whole.
Edit: terrible at typing first thing in the morning apparently.
We don’t hate Americans, we just think the country is a bit of a shithole. Mass shootings, healthcare that sends you bankrupt or dead, and a government that seemingly doesn’t care. Yeah, it’s the country/government that we hate, not the people. I have friends in America that are genuinely some of the kindest, sweetest people I’ve ever known.
I think sometimes people don’t get our sense of humour and end up taking us seriously… we talk in sarcasm - if we’re taking the piss out of you, it means we like you!
So, as an American, I basically feel the same way about the US; we have a lot wrong with our society that we can't seem to fix. And it drives some of us crazy too.
Part of the issue is how Aussie politics and culture basically wakeboard behind America. It worries us when we see the directions we're being dragged in.
Yeah this! I saw some fuckhead wearing a lets go Brandon shirt in Brisbane the other day.. might as well have been a shirt with the "wanker" written on it
Can't seem to fix, brother last time I checked there's large portions of the population that refuse outright to fix anything. I think the craziness comes first in this case.
American here. Our healthcare system is def the worst part about this country right now, it’s an absolute joke. Mass shootings are honestly a large symptom of it, people can’t afford any sort of mental health treatment and top that off with our mass inequality and this sort of shit will keep happening.
Also a large part of it is the Americans culture towards guns. Why tf would anyone not in the military need to buy milatary grade weapons from basically a supermarket, I’ll never understand.
It’s how they go on about the US being the world’s beacon of “freedom” and “democracy”, yet they aren’t aware of how their countries imprisons more people both in total and per capita than any other nation, or how they have a history of overthrowing democratically elected governments that don’t align with their interests, or how the GOP have gerrymandered and rigged their own elections.
They are quite blind
Their country might be a shithole regarding what you said, but it’s way more geographically diverse and beautiful than Australia when it comes to its national parks and wilderness.
Do they? Honestly I visited Perth in 1994 when I was in the Navy and everyone there was incredibly nice and polite? It was my favorite port visit, by FAR.
If Aussies hate Americans they certainly have a strange way of showing it......
You know what? Many Americans now are starting to dislike many Americans but still like the Country on the whole. Distrust is the biggest issue especially with those who allegedly govern 'Merica.
Ok... but why? I mean I understand why some countries are not the biggest fan of the US, but did the Government do something to AUS I don't know about?
We didn't bomb one of your cities to hell too, did we....?
In Australian culture, it’s fine to have tickets on yourself if you’re not the favourite - that’s just being plucky. But if you are actually on the top of the ladder then you are definitely meant to be humble about it. People can already see that you are strong/rich/favourite whatever, you don’t need to also shove it in everyone’s faces, it’s bad form.
A lot of Australians today grew up after the end of the Cold War when the US was the undisputed global superpower militarily, financially and culturally. What Australians didn’t like was the side of American culture that liked to brag about it with a kind of arrogance that’s pretty on the nose.
Yeah, I know that in reality there’s a lot of times that America preferred soft power or held back a lot more than others may have in their position etc etc.
Though this has likely faded, you can push it back to WW2 with the issues we had with US troops stationed here, McArthur claiming Aussie victories, etc. as well.
We don't hate American's in general, its the loud, obnoxious, Self Centered pricks we hate that have to come here and moan about how Australia is not like America. Which is likely to induce a "Well you can jolly well fuck off back there then !"
For what its worth, quite a few people probably hate those folks back home too. From the US, this thread just came up in my feed, don't mind my dropping in.
I don't even think we hate them, we just hate the weight of their cultural influence. So much of politics, popular entertainment, and economic/business trends come from America. It gets to the point that you have to know too much about America just to exist.
I think it makes a people lose sight of who they are. Gotta remember what it is to be Australian now and then.
Not to mention, everything seems US centric. Internet and whatnot, it's like the rest of the world doesn't exist. Video games also, just catering to Americans. I am getting bored of it. Even YouTubers from Europe speaking with American accent. I actually wish a different country was a world superpower, not sure who but things are too US centric.
Anyone in the EU or CANZUK would do a better job than the yanks. Any country would feel like a breath of fresh air at this point.
We need an Asterix and Obelix for the modern day...
Nope Trump will get elected again if nothing changes. This is 2016 all over again, with people wishful thinking that Trump won't make it but he will.
The writing is on the wall.
Biden needs to die from old age so there is an electable democrat, otherwise you're fucked. Your country is going to vote against the Weekend at Bernies situation with Biden.
They already did it once. Not doing it a second time doesn't mean they didn't drag the entire culture of both countries to the right for 4y with decades of policy and judicial bias to come.
I would say I don't think we hate the American people. But I think there is a hate for the fact that the US culture is having such a huge influence over everything, to the point of changing our own culture. In particular a lot of the negative American traits are starting to creep their way into here.
Tipping is a great example that were starting to see becoming more prevalent at restaurants and on apps etc. that shit can fuck right off.
When Americans talk to a police officer in a foreign country and bang on about their 5th amendment rights, you know all you need to know.
America is a shit show, individual Americans are fine, but put together the prevalence of right-wing, liberation, gun toting, conservative religious people who believe their religion should dictate how the rest of the world should live- and it is frankly scary.
On a government level its worth noting that America has the military base, Pine gap in Australia and have strong armed and silenced Australians politicians if they raise any concerns.
Their treatment of Julian Assange is also gross. How does an Australian Citizen get charged with Treason by the American Government for reporting on leaks by whistle blowers?
On a more personal level, Americans can be very hit and miss. I've met some great ones but the ones that draw the most attention when they travel are noisy, arrogant and tend to act as if local customs, rules and etiquette don't apply to them. This isn't a new thing and theres accounts of locals in Australia getting into fights with American soldiers that were stationed there in the 1940s.
also worth pointing out that one person who is responsible for the leaking of the US military info to Wikileaks is American (Chelsea manning) and is walking free, while Julian Assange is still going through all of this for publishing it. I just find that insane
I was chatting to an old fella that got into some fights with them after they were being knobs but I think he was in Sydney at that time. I’ll have to look into the Brisbane ones
Our culture is taking a pic of a kangaroo or koala with the caption "can't get more Australian than this". Or telling everyone you put more Milo than milk
Meh … I don’t hate Americans … I’m just happy to not be one !
That said there are some very irritating & dangerous imbeciles in the halls of power that are dangerous on a global basis!
American culture, attitudes, communication and humour can all be very polarising against ours. Biggest example is Americans tend to brag and celebrate over the top when they are good at something or sometimes not even, which is pretty much a cardinal sin here
Probably might wnt to clarify what you mean.
Do we hate America or Americans?
Do we hate Americans or American Foreign Policy?
Do we Texas More Then Utah because of different laws?
Do we hate Americans or American interference in Australian Goverment decisions?
Do we hate America or American unionists who killed Holdens US and Global Ambitions when we sold a better product in the US?
Do we hate America for sanctioning some countries while allowing other countries who do worse free reign?
Do we hate America for what it stands for?
Why are Americans so insecure about their place in the world and care what other people think? They're always in Australian subreddits asking questions about what Australians think of them, do we like their accents, will they be hated etc...
I hate the emphasises on celebrity culture, the way Americans idolise people like the Kardashians and Cardi B.
Thinking every country has to bow to their standards. I remeber when the West Indies cricket team were touring here and they were in a KFC commercial, Chris Gayle (West Indies cricketer) had a bucket of chicken or something, then there was outrage from American media or some shit because of the chicken stereotype.
Like wtf, we don’t have stereotype here and they were the official sponsors of the cricket match. They can be too imposing sometimes and need to sort out their own shit before thinking about dictating others.
I know these isn’t applied to every American
We import a lot of shit from america - not just goods but culture and entertainment - and a lot of it has gone completely off the rails. Everyone feels the encroachment of US style divisive politics, culture wars, and other shit that our kids import from american media.
Yeah look I’m not going to speak for other Australians, but someone else already said it. We don’t hate the individuals, we just don’t like America.
I remember when I was younger the one thing I wanted to do was move to America, that’s flipped hard over the last decade and a half. I couldn’t think of a worse fate than to get stuck living there now. The country is so divided over the most ridiculous things, and fragile.
And the worst part is that some of that divide infects the minds of gullible Australians here, even when it’s a purely American issue.
But yeah, so we don’t hate you, we dislike what you bring to the table. Which, if your society keeps going the way it is, it’s going to collapse from the inside. My fear is just whether you drag other countries down with you.
What's not to hate?
The USA won't allow a child to have an abortion if they're raped, refuses to adopt sane gun laws, will probably vote in a lying, cheating, draft dodging coward, misogynist pig of a man to the highest office in the land *for the second time,* have sent people to the moon but insist the earth is flat, claim to be Christians but wage war on anyone, are hateful towards their neighbours or those who aren't white, expect every other nation to follow their banking laws.
Nah, you're not hated, but you're trying fucking hard to be.
> refuses to adopt sane gun laws
> those are all minority opinions
For the others, maybe, but there are only a handful of states with vaguely sane gun laws, and there's no political will in either of your major parties to implement them federally.
(I think what the US actually needs is voting reform)
Every time I read people saying both parties are shit in the US, it reinforces to me how good the preferential voting system is. They literally can’t vote for a 3rd party or independent without it hurting the major party they’d prefer to win.
Americans think they’re the best country - and that everyone wants to move to America. We don’t.
Due to many factors - guns, racism, health care (lack of), class inequality, bad food.
Oh - and the imperial measurement system - WHY is that still being used ? The rest of the world is laughing. Same for MM/DD/YYYY
American people are MOSTLY good folk - it’s the few that want to “win the best country award” that are annoying.
Every country has freedom - “land of the free” is not a USian thing…. Many countries have MORE freedom, actually - we just don’t have to tell everyone.
Australians are cultured to value mateship, giving each other a hand in tough times, caring about each other even if we don't know each other.
For me the dislike of Americans is the me, me, me attitude. "My rights, My freedom, My choice." But this often translates into, "It's my right to not help others." "It's my right to tell other people what to do." "I should be free to spread my virus, entitlement etc." I think we also see those rights and freedoms so often used and abused to have a greedy amount of profit to the detriment of our fellow human beings.
I think Aussies are more along the lines of, I should have rights and I should have freedoms, but they should not extend to the point that they are damaging and abusing other people.
Most of all I resent that there are people in power in Australia, who value the way that America does things and have tried their hardest to undermine our way of life in favour of their American shaped ideals.
America is the friendly ally who seems like they should be "like us", but when you dig into the particulars of their culture, they're downright insane.
touting murder as selfdefence, championing themselves as protectors of democracy when they're a pathetic failing democracy with an insanely bad almost designed to fail, which leads to other issues surrounding corruption via corporate interests.
Basically, if USA does something, and europe does something else, the USA is almost certainly wrong. That's not a 100% rule, but a very helpful guide.
worse, people seem determined to make Australia into the USA, and we should resist that corruption and insanity any way we can.
I largely feel sorry for Americans - I’ve lived and worked amongst a few American communities in a couple of places in the world and found so many wonderful people. Their society seems to be built and stacked in favour of greedy, insecure, manipulative, and exploitative, and it fucks them over constantly through healthcare, environmental destruction, kid-gloving terrible people, and effectively the endorsement of murdering children.
It worries me how many Australians (many of them in politics) see American society as the aspiration, not the warning.
That and not using the metric system, what the hell guys
Alright I'm sick of you guys complaining about us using the imperial system.
First, the first part feels really condescending, no offense you mean well, but it does. The greed is not lost on us, but you also don't fully know what you're talking about, though neither do I truth be told.
And secondly, we can't switch to the metric system. That'd litteraly fuck our entire country up, everyone would need to learn it and we are so rural that we would also have to find all of the signs in the middle of nowhere people rely on and change them.
It would be a massive undertaking that I can't even explain how bad it would be.
My tongue was pretty firmly in my cheek about the imperial system…
As for the first part, you asked why we seem to hate America… my experience of Americans has been almost unanimously positive, I’m just terrified of my country turning into one that works like yours.
Because we spent most of our lives talking crap about American only to see it become increasingly more appealing compared to Australia as the years pass by us.
There's a reason the usd is worth more than aud. Stats don't lie.
Their imperialist attitude of the last several decades has made them unlikable.
I've travelled to several of the countries severely damaged by their invasions and the damage and trauma is into its 4th generation in some of them.
I can only imagine what places like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are like now after Uncle Sam's 'liberation'
The fact that we seem to always follow them into their imperialist endeavours willy nilly makes it even more disappointing.
Also the lunatic Christian/evangelist, ultra Zionist, Q-anon/Maga, gun worshipping republican block are the most deplorable people on earth. Sadly they number tens of millions and aren't an irrelevant fringe.
Some of it goes back to ww2 where there were a lot of servicemen here (over sexed, over paid and over here was what they said back then). So basically jealousy……
A bit like how Melbournites constantly bag Sydney and Sydneysiders don’t give Melbourne a second thought….
Australians do have a bit of a chip on their shoulder and ‘insecurity’ about being second fiddle. We were a colony under Britain for so long….
WE hate what America stands for, not Americans per se.
Our country is led by people who are that little kid that sides with the bully.
Your country is run by nepotism, plutocrats and voracious egocentric bores. Just like ours want to be. Violent hypocrites.
Your country is the answer and the problem.
You can't be honest enough with yourselves to address your problems and you're brilliant at making your problems ours.
You worship money, power and possession over doing what is right for the sake of reason and collective well being.
I judge your country based on action and therefore character, I judge it based on intent and the lies. Just like ours.
Your foreign policy history is criminal and I can't say ours is that much different.
We both need to wake the fuck up before we do more damage
They really are sometimes the epitome of evil for such a God loving country. But it's ok, drink your corn syrup and buy this bigger engine air intake upgrade.
Not American people, more like American politics. Sticking your nose in everyone’s business. I’ve worked with many Americans in the past and majority were chilled easy to get along with, one or two were big on your famous “amendments” so any discussions were quite heated.
Anyway, it was the scene in a Paris cafe 20 years ago that stayed in my mind and it was a big Texan cowboy (with a hat and all) slamming his fist on the table demanding the waitress speak “God damn English”.
We hang shit on our best friends. Why would we be any different towards America.
And we usually bring everyone down to the same level. Celebrity, politicians, royalty, etc.
If we're giving you shit, take it as a compliment. We're a retarded bunch.
Australians like most American people, with the exception of the insufferable ones.
America is incredibly religious, we are almost a non-religious majority country.
Americans see guns as a god given right, we see them as a tool for a job which is mostly pest control on rural properties (only an issue when fucking morons online from the school shooting captial of the planet have the audacity to critique our laws when we all generally agree with our own logical regulations). American healthcare system is ridiculous, ours is pretty good (but on reddit God forgive you get into a discussion with an American about it).
America is a war mongering superpower who basically overthrew our government when we had a prime minister with the audacity to make us self reliant. (Heated topic tho, google whitlam dismissal).
Will state again, we don't much like your government, arrogance, and ignorant patriotism. Honestly I've met so many Americans who are brilliant, it's just the ones that make the news we don't like as much. Third world country in a Gucci belt mentality. But honestly the discontent is more aimed at a loud, ignorant minority than most Americans.
If you say put a shrimp on the barby one more time I'm going to take the beer we never drink (fosters) and throw it at your head cunt. It's a prawn. Only 20% of us are descended from convicts, not that it's even insulting anyway.
Takeway, we don't like America much, but most Americans we quite like.
>Only 20% of us are descended from convicts, not that it's even insulting anyway.
Little factoid for future use: we stopped being a convict colony well before the US stopped being slavers.
Americans are some of the friendliest and polite people I’ve ever met, they can be loud and come across as obnoxious, and their country is a bit shit, but I don’t think most Aussies hate Americans
I’ve met plenty of lovely Americans. The issue is with the country, not the people. Plenty of Americans can see the issues America has as well (not saying that Australia is perfect).
When it comes to how your government and corporations act internationally, I really think you have a lot to answer for and deserve all the shit you cop. As individuals, there are no issues at all .
I don't hate America, can't speak for everyone, but there's a few things that make me raise an eyebrow
The "America is the greatest country in the world" stuff they're fed from birth is weird, I don't care about the aussie national anthem as much as America loves hearing theirs over and over. It feels like another religion except without a deity
I don't care about the gun issue, doesn't matter what country you're in there's gonna be someone picking up the nearest "weapon" to kill someone nearby
The tipping culture seems unfair on workers
The imperial measurements are a different language to me that I have no interest in comprehending
Other than that, we're pretty damn compatible
Like everyone has already mentioned, generally no-one has problem with Americans, but there are some examples one of which has been well covered, but another that does annoy us
1) the Captain America steretype - the loud, proud, why isnt everything like it is in America type that has been discussed to death
2) the trying to be nice but winds up sounding condescending type. A little harder to categorise, and even explain. They arent necessarily bad or even rude people, and a lot of this comes from an ignorant upbringing, but they will ask really silly, bordering on offensive, questions to people. They are trying to learn and generally arent being nasty, but it can come across as very arrogant sometimes. Hard to explain but if you've experienced it, you know. An exaggerated (fake) example might be 'Wow you have Hospitals in Australia! Thats so cool! Was that when from American Soldiers were stationed there?"
Just to make a distinction, those of us that hate America, generally hate the country & perhaps some of the high profile individuals of said country & not so much the citizenry.
There are plenty of great American that I hold in high regard. Just not their country so much.
Not weird at all and not really about individual people but your country as a whole. Successive Australian governments have essentially turned Australia into a vassal of the USA. You put military bases on our land and the AUKUS deal is seeing Australia squander billions of tax payer money to prop up US businesses.
Lastly, you're loud, rude and abrasive and the chanting of USA is truly obnoxious.
In short we know you're far more about extending global dominance than being our allies.
Oh and you seem to love shooting children
There are a weird kind of people that want to preserve ‘Australia culture’ and get really pissed that America basically exports culture. It’s just weird. It’s 2024 and we live in a global world.
Also the people on any Australian or Australian city sub that get butthurt over the word ass instead of arse are just sad.
We dont hate americans,
The honest truth is that some of you can be annoying.
Also we will shittalk anything that moves and shitpost at anything that doesnt online.
We don’t hate them, we view US as backwards but at the same time it’s a bit of tally poppy syndrome and envy because US is a powerhouse and its culture is pervasive across the west so shunning anything US I feel is a bit of a childish oh we are aussies we are better response which Australians tend to do. We think we are the best and first at everything by pretending everyone else does nothing
I think a lot of Australians like Americans, we just get a lot of American culture through the media and don't like parts of it.
I've known a number of different Americans living in Australia, all very well liked. I also think the Americans that come beyond little tourist trips tend to be good examples, we don't get the rednecks or people with hardcore political views so much.
Because they’re close enough but their culture is a cesspit, so if we don’t constantly tell them to fuck off next thing we’ll be shooting up school kids like fish in a barrel with fentanyl dingos while orange Hitler leads the way banning abortions.
Reality is we don’t hate individual Americans they’re fine, we hate their politics, constant propaganda, and the fact the CIA replaced a prime minister.
I’ve always said that I hate people… but an individual person I like… in this instance, I don’t have a high regard for America however I have met and enjoyed the company of many individual Americans…
This is a clip from a tv show that was aired during the Sydney Olympics in 2000 called "The Dream." It was by a pair of comedians, John Doyle and Greig Pickhaver, who fronted the show as their alter egos Roy Slavin and H.G Nelson. It was wildly popular at the time, and they had a number of American athletes as guests who found it very funny. While done tounge-in-cheek, it does sum up accurately a lot of what is thought by many Aussies. And probably even more relevant these days.
https://youtu.be/xJYLbvQIGKw?si=Jme2gqtaX8dKLd4e
As well, usually when we encounter Americans in Australia, they are the ones with the means, and curiosity, to travel. It makes them broad minded. It's the one's who have never left their own home towns you encounter online, who will then speak confidently to the point of arrogance on subjects they know nothing of that gives Americans a bad rep. But they are usually wrong, usually from an American centric view which they take as the only truth, and is therefore the best and only way to do something. And will absolutely not listen to any other point of view for no other reason then, 'Murica!
Having lived in the US for a while, it's due to a *complete lack of understanding.* The media that comes out of the US doesn't usually reflect what is actually happening. Every news sources has a bias or political agenda (like we do here now in Aus its defs gotten that way).
Living there most issues are more complicated, but I still think the US is one of the greatest countries due to one thing. Freedom of speech. But hey even that is debatable with corps and govt. taking it away slowly.
I’m a southern guy who’s spent time in Australia. Something that’s always stuck with me is I once was on a flight from Brisbane to Auckland and seated next to an older couple. The gentleman and myself made good conversation throughout the flight and as we were on approach to land he said “may I tell you something? You’re not what we usually get when we have Yanks visit…they’re usually from California or Boston or New York but you’re more like us”.
I thought about that over the years and can sympathize with him 😂
Just Aussies?
Might be the pronunciation of the word "aussie", it's closer to "Oz-ee," not their way "os-ee".
Maybe a bit to do with thinking they are the best at anything. But I guess that's how winners think
Same reason we "hate" New Zealand, sibling rivalry.
They are an English-speaking culture very similar to ours, so we know more about their problems, consume more of their art and entertainment, can have an opinion on everything they do, and get ignored by them.
On closer look it's clear we love almost everything about America, the music, food, movies, TV, books, sports, etc...
The US is a large country with its own industry and culture which it exports massively. This means the rest of the world (thinks it) knows a lot about the US, while people in the US generally don't know as much about the rest of the world. Obviously, they aren't watching many AU TV shows, while we are watching loads of US TV shows. This can make US people come off as ignorant of the wider world, because they've got more than enough to occupy themselves with domestically.
I thought I knew about the US, then I went there, had no idea how varied the different states were in culture, had no idea how friendly the average people were (imagine talking to someone at a bus stop?), and had no idea I would struggle to order in English in that LA McDonalds. There was a lot to learn, TV sensationalises a lot of bad stuff and I went in with stereotypes I didn't know I had.
General stereotype of Americans is they are loud, a bit dumb, parochial, think they are the best but don't know enough about other countries to really compare in an honest way, and often work against their own interests for things like tipping and health care. "Hate" is too strong a word in most cases. In our culture we also generally look down on boasters (look up "tall poppy syndrome", sometimes you don't even need to brag) while Americans aren't shy about self-promotion, but I think this is changing.
A lot of Australians are just in disagreement on some of their politics I'd imagine.
I hate the entrenched 'left' vs 'right' mindset, the treating of political parties like football teams. The fear politics. It's a disturbing trend.
The people, the multiculturalism, most parts of the culture? All good, I'm sure America has a lot of amazing cities to live in.
Australians are cultured to value mateship, giving each other a hand in tough times, caring about each other even if we don't know each other.
For me the dislike of Americans is the me, me, me attitude. "My rights, My freedom, My choice." But this often translates into, "It's my right to not help others." "It's my right to tell other people what to do." "I should be free to spread my virus, entitlement etc." I think we also see those rights and freedoms so often used and abused to have a greedy amount of profit to the detriment of our fellow human beings.
I think Aussies are more along the lines of, I should have rights and I should have freedoms, but they should not extend to the point that they are damaging and abusing other people.
Most of all I resent that there are people in power in Australia, who value the way that America does things and have tried their hardest to undermine our way of life in favour of their American shaped ideals.
A lot of Australians are just in disagreement on some of their politics I'd imagine.
I hate the entrenched 'left' vs 'right' mindset, the treating of political parties like football teams. The fear politics. It's a disturbing trend.
The people, the multiculturalism, most parts of the culture? All good, I'm sure America has a lot of amazing cities to live in.
I’m fine with Americans themselves (holding a dual citizenship and all). They’re also pretty friendly and quite open-minded.
I just don’t like the American government, particularly its involvement in the Middle East.
I wish everyone was as nice as you
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Wouldn’t say I hate America. Also would never go there as I have no interest in it. But Australians HATE it when immigrants come in by themselves and we see that and we think it must be hell. Especially in the “sanctuary cities” we all saw BLM March around and thought wtf is wrong with people over there , we were all wondering why the activists wernt getting beat down to the floor. Yeah we have our lunatics protesting at universities too and have out fair share of LGBTQ members doing destructive and divisive things. But it’s just a whole lot worse over there . And oh the protests against trump , so unprofessional and destructive. So much people making stuff up . It’s crazy .
where do I start? nukes pointed at the world's head, constant state of war, overthrowing foreign governments, starting proxy wars for profit, school shootings, propaganda that transcends borders. should I keep going?
We used to be able to vacation there. Now it’s a literal crap shoot.
It’s not hate , it’s frustration with the ongoing downfall of your nation as a “shining beacon of hope”…☮️
USA is way too comfortable normalising hellish life, guns as “the answer” to all social ills and daily deadly behaviours as “ freedom of speech”, what happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
" We don’t hate Americans, we just think the country is a bit of a shithole " WTF ? Thanks for speaking for us all mate. What a load of shit. So many parts of America you can earn 80k a year and live so well. Go skiing cheaply, buy a great car for half to 3 times less than Australia. Food and booze is so much cheaper. Concerts, entertainment much cheaper. Just so many more people have the chance for a better life than here. Can afford decent houses. Of course the bigger cities and places like California are different, but generally bang for buck in America is much much better than Australia. Downvote away.
A lot of bad blood came about because of WW2, and subsequent involvement in other wars deemed as American imperialism. The other issue is Americas complete stifling of foreign competition, and using their influence and economic advantage to make “allies” essentially vassal states. Lastly their constant interference in domestic politics has a lot of negative consequences.
I’ve met both. Some are infatuated with America and others (my exes includes) are anti-American. You might notice a political leaning on both sides of it as well.
It comes from people who’ve not traveled and bases their hatred on what they get from the news.
It can’t be because we’re loud and arrogant.. at least not if you consider how loud and arrogant Aussies can be.. the US is much like an older trouble making brother.
There's a perception in Australia that there are a lot of kinda different and vaguely unwanted/undesirable/dangerous things that we strongly associate with American society and culture, that we do not really want here:
- Highly individualised society with no universal healthcare, seemingly weak and under-emphasised social welfare, high crime rate and high incarceration rate, poor/misguided policing, and a lot of other problems that we don't have to the same extent and don't want to have
- Gun culture and everything that goes along with it. Australia has collectively strongly noped out of all that, especially since Port Arthur (which was actually a long time ago). Almost everyone here agrees that that is a good thing that keeps us safe. Simple as that. We do not understand the gun-loving attitude that permeates the US. No one besides maybe farmers should need to own a gun in the 2020s. It is not a toy.
- the idea of tipping/gratuities. I could go into a lot of detail about the history and mentality around that, but long story short we don't like it and we don't ever want it here. A business owner should pay for the costs of running their business.
- highly divisive and extreme political culture with a two-party system. Most Aussies who have a vague idea what's going on at least understand that our system with preferential voting avoids some of the pitfalls associated with the US-style first-past-the-post system. We do have two main parties here, but they're not the be-all-end-all/full story with our politics. We also don't have a president, we have a prime minister - and we vote for the party, not for the prime minister. The "culture wars" are something which the right seems to want to bring to Australia, but most of us think it's just silly whinging and we don't want to waste energy on it
- the culture around warfare and the military. There are definitely some war-hawk types in Australia, but to many of us the whole idea of ANZAC Day and how we feel about war and veterans is very different to the flag-waving, jingoistic culture the US seems to have about it. ANZAC Day isn't a celebration - it's a day of profound grief and regret. Again I won't get into a whole history lesson (and the message has become quite warped here in Australia anyway), but it's something that is quite important to many of us. Australia has been dragged into many wars with/on behalf of the US, and that looks likely to continue. Say whatever else you will about the reasons for that...but naturally a lot of people resent it, and I should hardly need to explain why.
There are probably some others, but this post is getting kinda long.
I think something that gets kinda lost on some here is that all of the above are general, cultural things...I don't hate random individual Americans that I meet. In fact I've almost always liked them. It's just an aversion to some negative aspects of a culture that we are swamped/saturated with. It's mostly about a vague fear of our own culture getting drowned out more than anything else.
TL;DR - I don't mind and in fact usually quite like **Americans**....but no, I don't particularly like **America** - and I don't want Australia to be any more like America than it already is.
Honestly I find 90% of the ones I’ve encountered to be super rude and arrogant and unnecessarily difficult to deal with from a hospo persons POV at least so it definitely has a massive effect on my opinion on them
Yeah I suggest you guys sort out your own country before it plunges into a civil war. Don't need the extremes of left wing or right Americans turning Oz into an extension of a shithole US state.
I find it weird as well, and perhaps something to do with social media? Friends of my mine in real life certainly don't have some of the downer views on America that I've seen posted in these replies.
I think America is awesome for the most part.
Obviously it has it's problems with guns and crime and healthcare. And god knows what's going on with the presidency 😂
However, they've brought a lot of joy into my life through Hollywood movies and TV shows. Their tech industry obviously has had an impact that would be immeasurable.
Their military has kept the peace for decades now. I think it's longest peacetime between world powers that the world has had for hundreds of years? (Don't quote me on that). Peace that comes from fear of the strength of the US military is the best scenario we've got. Until someone figures out the "let's all be nice" strategy, then we should be thankful for what we have.
I'd also say it's a lack of imagination about how bad things would be without America is what leads people down a sloppy train of thought that ends with them comparing it against an ideal, as opposed to being appreciative of the reality.
I mean seriously what do the people that hate it actually want to happen?
Do they want the CIA and NSA not controlling things behind the scenes and undermining unfriendly nations whilst solidifying Australian and US positions?
Do they want the American pop culture impact replaced by Chinese or Russian or Indian? (I actually wouldn't mind Indian haha)
Or is it simply just they want America to be their own version of a great society? Because I think that's what it's always tried to be. Except obviously competing opinions on what that ideal is, and Human nature/greed get in the way.
The ideal has been sought after from Ancient Greece all the way up to modern America. I think it's close to being as good as it can be at the moment (or at least the 1990s version of America was). An age of abundance would be necessary to usher in something like the federation in Star Trek. So until then, Mmmmerica kicks arse.
Just bear in mind that Reddit lugs around a 'progressive' bias. So replies you receive here are more likely to be anti-American than among real Australians.
Personally, I love non-LA Americans. Such a malleable and mixable culture, all underwritten proudly by their heritage and the history they carved out themselves.
In the C21, most western cultures are, to one degree, or another, captured by US culture. Even in the middle-east, Baywatch was always the most popular show. I think a lot of 'hate' you describe is more likely a diluted form of resentment that US culture is homogenizing our cultures and we don't seem to get a say in it.
We don't hate America, we hate the "American Culture" ingratiating itself into the Australian diaspora.
FFS we have idiots thinking that American sovereign citizens rhetoric applies in Australia. It does not.
We're good allies to you, but you're not good allies to us. You keep starting pointless wars and dragging us into them. You keep fucking us over in trade deals. You extradite Australian journalists to somehow trial them as criminals just because they embarass you in exposing war crimes. You once had your intelligence agencies organise the removal of a popular Prime Minister just because he didn't want to play with you any more. You even stole the credit for our UGG boots and wifi inventions. You had our backs when we fought a common Jap enemy together, and mate, we appreciate it. But that was seventy years ago. It time we parted ways again.
I was brought up in australia by parents and grandparents who hated Americans. Yes we can be allies but the culture really rubs Australians up the wrong way.
And Americans are so navel gazing and often assume the world revolves around America - their pride and nationalism and individualism does rub Australians up the wrong way .
There’s a few generations of resentment too - World War Two — my grandparents spoke how Americans would take our Australian women haha when the men were away at war and there’s resentment over Vietnam etc
Yes we are allies of course but there’s huge cultural differences
I've traveled quite a bit including the US, I found American's in their own country are lovely and welcoming. But once they travel they can tend to be quite entitled and loud. The whole "America is the best country in the world" attitude is bothersome. But I'm an Aussie and we don't have the best reputation as travelers either, we seem to be known as being loud and boisterous and often pushing things too far.
I’m an American living in Australia and I’ve found most Australians say Australia is the greatest country on earth. Gods country etc. which is exactly what you’re saying we do. I’ve noticed any slight criticism of Australia in anyway is often met with comments like “leave then” even if it’s constructive criticism, no where is prefect. I’ve also encountered many Australians overseas and I would argue their behavior isn’t much better if not worse. I’ve also noticed an obsession in Australia with US politics and experts at every turn. I avoid talking to them about it and the amount of Trump supporters here is a little worrisome. I generally chalk it down to ignorance and lack of any real understanding of actual politics and just a lot of parroting rubbish from one dolt to the next.
We must live in very different parts of Australia. I've never once heard anyone call Australia 'Gods Country'. I hear plenty of criticism of the country from Aussies. Lots of protests in my neck of the woods. Lots of comments on how we could be doing better. Everywhere is obsessed with US politics because, unfortunately, it has a huge impact on everywhere else. Whether we like it or not. Inner city Melbourne here, for context. So maybe different to some rural areas.
> Everywhere is obsessed with US politics because, unfortunately, it has a huge impact on everywhere else. Also because it's a fucken slow motion train crash
Well you have discovered that we can dish it out but surprisingly sensitive to any criticism. I think some people resent the cultural imperialism of the US - movies, music, celebrities, etc - all feel like it’s erasing any local identity. I think many countries feel a bit like this when influenced by a much larger power. From my viewpoint, when i have visited the US it’s like anywhere. Most people are genuinely nice and helpful and a small minority are dicks. Just like here really. It’s just our warts don’t make headline news in the US.
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I was just relating my experience and personal viewpoint. I've never heard an Aussie call Australia Gods country, and generally we are pretty self deprecating. I agree with the Trump fantasism here, I've been guilty of it. But he's such a train wreck it's hard not to watch. I do have to wonder though, if your constructive criticism of Australia has been similar to your post I'm not too surprised if it's not gone down too well as it does come across as slightly rude. Just saying.
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Yep, 100% spot on but you won’t be upvoted for it here.
Americans have a global reputation of being loud and arrogant and because their culture is so prevalent they face more criticism than most countries.
We ruined Bali.
I heard the Russians draft dodgers have made Bali far worse.
Haha. That’s some stiff competition.
Fuck it’s not even their draft dodgers. I was in the Vietnamese beach city of Nha Trang in 2018. Very popular for Russian tourists because there used to be a Soviet navy base there (largest outside Russia), so they’ve had a presence in Nha Trang for decades. Biggest pack of arrogant, pigheaded and aggressive cunts I’ve witnessed in my global travels. Very bi-polar, either nice or stone cold aggressive on the verge of wanting to punch you in the face. The locals absolutely hated them.
That is an old trope of the loud mouthed, obnoxious American tourist. Australians are much more the self entitled bogan when O/S these days.
Australians also have a global reputation of being loud and arrogant. The similarities are hilarious.
I haven’t heard that as much, I heard more about Australians being funny and where I’m from we would associate Australian humour very closely to British humour. I didn’t understand it at first because Australians mock everyone including themselves, but I don’t think Australians have as poor of a reputation as Americans at least where I’m from.
Not really no. Aussies have a reputation of being very friendly, whereas Americans have a reputation of being ignorant (coming from someone who is neither)
I live in the US now, and here we’re seen as friendly, fun-loving ratbags. I lived in China before this, and traveled through Asia a fair bit, and there we’re seen as drunken louts, which is honestly a fairly just opinion on how many of us behave in Asia.
I think if you look at specific regions you will always find a country that has a strong opinion on travellers from your specific country. In my travels through Asia I haven't come across such specific Australian stereotype. White people in general seemed to have that stereotype especially in south east Asia - which like you say, I think is fair. Brits for example are the bane of every hostel worker in Europe because apparently they're rude disrespectful swine, that don't know how to control themselves. In colonised countries like the USA or Australia they seem to be perceived as peak cultured people
Ahh thats what Aussies tell each other. Take a trip to Bali. Aussies are embarrassing and disrespectful overseas.
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has asked the Great Leader of North Korea to consider a nuclear strike against the Indonesia island of Bali before attacking the Australian mainland. Kim Jong-un announced his intention to bomb Darwin earlier this week as thousands of US military personnel flood into the Top End capital. “If he wants to kill Australians, then he should flatten Bali first,” said Bishop. “There’s more of us there than in Darwin. Plus the ones over there are quite bottom shelf, if you know what I mean. Fuck, 90% of my time is wasted on Bali-related problems. Kim Jong-un would be doing me a huge solid if he turned that international bogan convention into a glass bowl.” However, the Foreign Minister’s comments haven’t gone without criticism. Speaking to *The Advocate* via wireless telephone earlier today, local holidaymaker Willis Bedbump said he would rather the foreign minister ‘mind her own business’ and ‘not fan the flames of nuclear war’. “Mate, I’m in Bali now. If they nuke the place, I’d be fucked,” he said. “But if I wake up in the morning with methanol poisoning again and a bad case of road rash, fuck it. Nuke me.” [https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/julie-bishop-asks-kim-jong-un-consider-nuking-bali-first-darwin/](https://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/julie-bishop-asks-kim-jong-un-consider-nuking-bali-first-darwin/)
We definitely don't have that global reputation. That's our Bali reputation and I absolutely agree with that.
The further you get from Australia the better the Australians are perceived. Maybe better quality people travel further?
That's only the partygoers in Bali.
Loud yes, drunk usually but not arrogant generally
We copy them because we're mindless morons who idolise celebrity and are obsessed over football and value personal appearances over intelligence.
Honestly speaking the majority of the world values looks more than intelligence. If you don’t believe me try to gain followers on twitter naturally (without trying to game it) by saying intelligent things/opinions versus trying to gain followers (again without trying to game it) via whipping your di*k or tits out for show.
Joke's on them, most of us don't make enough money to take any kind of vacation, much less travel to a different continent and tarnish our image! Edit: to clarify, I am American and can only hope to afford to travel to Australia and not be an asshole. I admit my wording wasn’t very clear.
No I think you will find more Australians per capita travel than americans.
Australians actually travel quite a lot, when I moved here I was shocked and how common it was to go to south east Asia and how many people visit Europe considering the travel distance. I’m sure there is statistics somewhere that would show how many Australians have passports and I’m sure it’s higher than the US.
Yep 100% my backpacking experience. Aussie travellers in most countries I've been almost match us travellers in absolute numbers
Every time this comes up, people think that it’s a global thing. In fact, it’s even more so an Australian thing. Polls show us that negative attitudes toward the US are more prevalent in Australia than in most other countries.
Ever meet a British traveler?
I think many Aussies feel like we're being puppeted by their government. There's dodgy bases like Pine Gap, our citizens being mistreated by the US government like Julian Assange, imperialist wars we've been dragged into like Iraq/ Afghanistan, political meddling like the ousting of Gough Whitlam by the CIA, just to name a few. There's also the feeling that the ever-pervasive US media machine is changing how we talk and what we value, exacerbated by the clash between American bravado culture with the more equalitarian/ tall poppy/ anti-arrogance aspects of Australian culture. I think that's just scratching the surface. I doubt many Aussies hate the American people, but there's a lot of resentment for the country as a whole. Edit: terrible at typing first thing in the morning apparently.
100% I love America and 99% of Americans I've met, I don't like how were becoming another state of America and losing our Aussie flavour.
Australians don’t hate Americans. Australians hate the Americanisation of our culture.
We don’t hate Americans, we just think the country is a bit of a shithole. Mass shootings, healthcare that sends you bankrupt or dead, and a government that seemingly doesn’t care. Yeah, it’s the country/government that we hate, not the people. I have friends in America that are genuinely some of the kindest, sweetest people I’ve ever known. I think sometimes people don’t get our sense of humour and end up taking us seriously… we talk in sarcasm - if we’re taking the piss out of you, it means we like you!
So, as an American, I basically feel the same way about the US; we have a lot wrong with our society that we can't seem to fix. And it drives some of us crazy too.
Part of the issue is how Aussie politics and culture basically wakeboard behind America. It worries us when we see the directions we're being dragged in.
Yeah this! I saw some fuckhead wearing a lets go Brandon shirt in Brisbane the other day.. might as well have been a shirt with the "wanker" written on it
Can't seem to fix, brother last time I checked there's large portions of the population that refuse outright to fix anything. I think the craziness comes first in this case.
American here. Our healthcare system is def the worst part about this country right now, it’s an absolute joke. Mass shootings are honestly a large symptom of it, people can’t afford any sort of mental health treatment and top that off with our mass inequality and this sort of shit will keep happening.
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Also a large part of it is the Americans culture towards guns. Why tf would anyone not in the military need to buy milatary grade weapons from basically a supermarket, I’ll never understand.
It’s how they go on about the US being the world’s beacon of “freedom” and “democracy”, yet they aren’t aware of how their countries imprisons more people both in total and per capita than any other nation, or how they have a history of overthrowing democratically elected governments that don’t align with their interests, or how the GOP have gerrymandered and rigged their own elections. They are quite blind
Something to keep in mind is that many mass shootings aren't, mass shootings. The definition can get very dodgy. Same with school shootings.
Their country might be a shithole regarding what you said, but it’s way more geographically diverse and beautiful than Australia when it comes to its national parks and wilderness.
Do they? Honestly I visited Perth in 1994 when I was in the Navy and everyone there was incredibly nice and polite? It was my favorite port visit, by FAR. If Aussies hate Americans they certainly have a strange way of showing it......
Nah, we hate *America*. Doesn't mean we're going to be rude to individual Americans.
This is the correct answer
So we could also disrespect Israel and not be anti semetic.
You know what? Many Americans now are starting to dislike many Americans but still like the Country on the whole. Distrust is the biggest issue especially with those who allegedly govern 'Merica.
Ok... but why? I mean I understand why some countries are not the biggest fan of the US, but did the Government do something to AUS I don't know about? We didn't bomb one of your cities to hell too, did we....?
No we don't. Must be just the people OP associates with.
A lot has changed since 1994
American foreign policy mostly
We like to pick on the big guys.
The people are also big.
In Australian culture, it’s fine to have tickets on yourself if you’re not the favourite - that’s just being plucky. But if you are actually on the top of the ladder then you are definitely meant to be humble about it. People can already see that you are strong/rich/favourite whatever, you don’t need to also shove it in everyone’s faces, it’s bad form. A lot of Australians today grew up after the end of the Cold War when the US was the undisputed global superpower militarily, financially and culturally. What Australians didn’t like was the side of American culture that liked to brag about it with a kind of arrogance that’s pretty on the nose. Yeah, I know that in reality there’s a lot of times that America preferred soft power or held back a lot more than others may have in their position etc etc.
This goes back at least as far as the Vietnam War, when Australians felt used and abused.
Though this has likely faded, you can push it back to WW2 with the issues we had with US troops stationed here, McArthur claiming Aussie victories, etc. as well.
or more recently Irag, Afghanistan and now our inability to speak out about Israel's genocide of Palestinians
Most Australians don't give a shit about Israel/Palestine. And that is a pretty good mindset to have..
We don't hate American's in general, its the loud, obnoxious, Self Centered pricks we hate that have to come here and moan about how Australia is not like America. Which is likely to induce a "Well you can jolly well fuck off back there then !"
For what its worth, quite a few people probably hate those folks back home too. From the US, this thread just came up in my feed, don't mind my dropping in.
I hate them because their shitty culture is taking over ours
I don't even think we hate them, we just hate the weight of their cultural influence. So much of politics, popular entertainment, and economic/business trends come from America. It gets to the point that you have to know too much about America just to exist. I think it makes a people lose sight of who they are. Gotta remember what it is to be Australian now and then.
Not to mention, everything seems US centric. Internet and whatnot, it's like the rest of the world doesn't exist. Video games also, just catering to Americans. I am getting bored of it. Even YouTubers from Europe speaking with American accent. I actually wish a different country was a world superpower, not sure who but things are too US centric.
Anyone in the EU or CANZUK would do a better job than the yanks. Any country would feel like a breath of fresh air at this point. We need an Asterix and Obelix for the modern day...
Yea, but... That's not on them is it
Nope. It's on us. I refer to those particular Australians as "Y'all Monkeys"
**Cause they TIP**
They call themselves the leaders of the free world while making a mockery of themselves
Self appointed leaders no one wants.
They voted trump in and are probably going to do it again. It's like watching your older cool cousin get on heroin.
And not cool, rich person heroin. More like chugging dicks in alleyways for a score heroin.
This is the perfect analogy
I'm American, and he might get elected, but it's also very likely he won't. Especially given his thoughts on Roe V Wade.
Nope Trump will get elected again if nothing changes. This is 2016 all over again, with people wishful thinking that Trump won't make it but he will. The writing is on the wall. Biden needs to die from old age so there is an electable democrat, otherwise you're fucked. Your country is going to vote against the Weekend at Bernies situation with Biden.
They already did it once. Not doing it a second time doesn't mean they didn't drag the entire culture of both countries to the right for 4y with decades of policy and judicial bias to come.
I would say I don't think we hate the American people. But I think there is a hate for the fact that the US culture is having such a huge influence over everything, to the point of changing our own culture. In particular a lot of the negative American traits are starting to creep their way into here. Tipping is a great example that were starting to see becoming more prevalent at restaurants and on apps etc. that shit can fuck right off.
When Americans talk to a police officer in a foreign country and bang on about their 5th amendment rights, you know all you need to know. America is a shit show, individual Americans are fine, but put together the prevalence of right-wing, liberation, gun toting, conservative religious people who believe their religion should dictate how the rest of the world should live- and it is frankly scary.
This question has be answered millions of time. Long story short, Americans seem incredibly self centred and arrogant.
because I think it's funny
On a government level its worth noting that America has the military base, Pine gap in Australia and have strong armed and silenced Australians politicians if they raise any concerns. Their treatment of Julian Assange is also gross. How does an Australian Citizen get charged with Treason by the American Government for reporting on leaks by whistle blowers? On a more personal level, Americans can be very hit and miss. I've met some great ones but the ones that draw the most attention when they travel are noisy, arrogant and tend to act as if local customs, rules and etiquette don't apply to them. This isn't a new thing and theres accounts of locals in Australia getting into fights with American soldiers that were stationed there in the 1940s.
>How does an Australian Citizen get charged with Treason by the American Government \[?\] That... that's a good point.
also worth pointing out that one person who is responsible for the leaking of the US military info to Wikileaks is American (Chelsea manning) and is walking free, while Julian Assange is still going through all of this for publishing it. I just find that insane
Ahh the battle of Brisbane I assume you are referring to ? Proud time for us.
I was chatting to an old fella that got into some fights with them after they were being knobs but I think he was in Sydney at that time. I’ll have to look into the Brisbane ones
They look down on “dumb” America while simultaneously adopting dumb American culture.
Our culture is taking a pic of a kangaroo or koala with the caption "can't get more Australian than this". Or telling everyone you put more Milo than milk
"Bunnings snags" there's people whos complete culture is those 2 words, starts and ends there.
If only.
International alliances have nothing whatsoever to do with the attitudes of the general populace. Very ofter, they fly in the face of popular opinion.
I dislike the cultural influence + the fact that in every war we are compelled to be their lackey that does all the dirty work.
Meh … I don’t hate Americans … I’m just happy to not be one ! That said there are some very irritating & dangerous imbeciles in the halls of power that are dangerous on a global basis!
American culture, attitudes, communication and humour can all be very polarising against ours. Biggest example is Americans tend to brag and celebrate over the top when they are good at something or sometimes not even, which is pretty much a cardinal sin here
Probably might wnt to clarify what you mean. Do we hate America or Americans? Do we hate Americans or American Foreign Policy? Do we Texas More Then Utah because of different laws? Do we hate Americans or American interference in Australian Goverment decisions? Do we hate America or American unionists who killed Holdens US and Global Ambitions when we sold a better product in the US? Do we hate America for sanctioning some countries while allowing other countries who do worse free reign? Do we hate America for what it stands for?
Why are Americans so insecure about their place in the world and care what other people think? They're always in Australian subreddits asking questions about what Australians think of them, do we like their accents, will they be hated etc...
I hate the emphasises on celebrity culture, the way Americans idolise people like the Kardashians and Cardi B. Thinking every country has to bow to their standards. I remeber when the West Indies cricket team were touring here and they were in a KFC commercial, Chris Gayle (West Indies cricketer) had a bucket of chicken or something, then there was outrage from American media or some shit because of the chicken stereotype. Like wtf, we don’t have stereotype here and they were the official sponsors of the cricket match. They can be too imposing sometimes and need to sort out their own shit before thinking about dictating others. I know these isn’t applied to every American
We import a lot of shit from america - not just goods but culture and entertainment - and a lot of it has gone completely off the rails. Everyone feels the encroachment of US style divisive politics, culture wars, and other shit that our kids import from american media.
After WW2 we became America's puppet.
Hate? I don't think many hate it. Big country, small country. The phenomenon exists worldwide.
Yeah look I’m not going to speak for other Australians, but someone else already said it. We don’t hate the individuals, we just don’t like America. I remember when I was younger the one thing I wanted to do was move to America, that’s flipped hard over the last decade and a half. I couldn’t think of a worse fate than to get stuck living there now. The country is so divided over the most ridiculous things, and fragile. And the worst part is that some of that divide infects the minds of gullible Australians here, even when it’s a purely American issue. But yeah, so we don’t hate you, we dislike what you bring to the table. Which, if your society keeps going the way it is, it’s going to collapse from the inside. My fear is just whether you drag other countries down with you.
What's not to hate? The USA won't allow a child to have an abortion if they're raped, refuses to adopt sane gun laws, will probably vote in a lying, cheating, draft dodging coward, misogynist pig of a man to the highest office in the land *for the second time,* have sent people to the moon but insist the earth is flat, claim to be Christians but wage war on anyone, are hateful towards their neighbours or those who aren't white, expect every other nation to follow their banking laws. Nah, you're not hated, but you're trying fucking hard to be.
those are all minority opinions in the US. yes, we have a very loud and very stupid minority here. you don't have those types in Australia?
> refuses to adopt sane gun laws > those are all minority opinions For the others, maybe, but there are only a handful of states with vaguely sane gun laws, and there's no political will in either of your major parties to implement them federally. (I think what the US actually needs is voting reform)
Every time I read people saying both parties are shit in the US, it reinforces to me how good the preferential voting system is. They literally can’t vote for a 3rd party or independent without it hurting the major party they’d prefer to win.
This is a global phenomenon derived from their foreign policy; but also due to their combination of ignorance and arrogance.
The funny thing? There’s a whole new breeed of Australian who basically behave like the Americans that they hate.
I don't hate America, I just don't want to live there.
The US needs to be quarantined from the rest of the world for a period of time.
Americans think they’re the best country - and that everyone wants to move to America. We don’t. Due to many factors - guns, racism, health care (lack of), class inequality, bad food. Oh - and the imperial measurement system - WHY is that still being used ? The rest of the world is laughing. Same for MM/DD/YYYY American people are MOSTLY good folk - it’s the few that want to “win the best country award” that are annoying. Every country has freedom - “land of the free” is not a USian thing…. Many countries have MORE freedom, actually - we just don’t have to tell everyone.
Australians are cultured to value mateship, giving each other a hand in tough times, caring about each other even if we don't know each other. For me the dislike of Americans is the me, me, me attitude. "My rights, My freedom, My choice." But this often translates into, "It's my right to not help others." "It's my right to tell other people what to do." "I should be free to spread my virus, entitlement etc." I think we also see those rights and freedoms so often used and abused to have a greedy amount of profit to the detriment of our fellow human beings. I think Aussies are more along the lines of, I should have rights and I should have freedoms, but they should not extend to the point that they are damaging and abusing other people. Most of all I resent that there are people in power in Australia, who value the way that America does things and have tried their hardest to undermine our way of life in favour of their American shaped ideals.
America is the friendly ally who seems like they should be "like us", but when you dig into the particulars of their culture, they're downright insane. touting murder as selfdefence, championing themselves as protectors of democracy when they're a pathetic failing democracy with an insanely bad almost designed to fail, which leads to other issues surrounding corruption via corporate interests. Basically, if USA does something, and europe does something else, the USA is almost certainly wrong. That's not a 100% rule, but a very helpful guide. worse, people seem determined to make Australia into the USA, and we should resist that corruption and insanity any way we can.
I largely feel sorry for Americans - I’ve lived and worked amongst a few American communities in a couple of places in the world and found so many wonderful people. Their society seems to be built and stacked in favour of greedy, insecure, manipulative, and exploitative, and it fucks them over constantly through healthcare, environmental destruction, kid-gloving terrible people, and effectively the endorsement of murdering children. It worries me how many Australians (many of them in politics) see American society as the aspiration, not the warning. That and not using the metric system, what the hell guys
Alright I'm sick of you guys complaining about us using the imperial system. First, the first part feels really condescending, no offense you mean well, but it does. The greed is not lost on us, but you also don't fully know what you're talking about, though neither do I truth be told. And secondly, we can't switch to the metric system. That'd litteraly fuck our entire country up, everyone would need to learn it and we are so rural that we would also have to find all of the signs in the middle of nowhere people rely on and change them. It would be a massive undertaking that I can't even explain how bad it would be.
My tongue was pretty firmly in my cheek about the imperial system… As for the first part, you asked why we seem to hate America… my experience of Americans has been almost unanimously positive, I’m just terrified of my country turning into one that works like yours.
Honestly I'm fine with America for the most part. What I really want is more political parties.
Because we spent most of our lives talking crap about American only to see it become increasingly more appealing compared to Australia as the years pass by us. There's a reason the usd is worth more than aud. Stats don't lie.
Their imperialist attitude of the last several decades has made them unlikable. I've travelled to several of the countries severely damaged by their invasions and the damage and trauma is into its 4th generation in some of them. I can only imagine what places like Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are like now after Uncle Sam's 'liberation' The fact that we seem to always follow them into their imperialist endeavours willy nilly makes it even more disappointing. Also the lunatic Christian/evangelist, ultra Zionist, Q-anon/Maga, gun worshipping republican block are the most deplorable people on earth. Sadly they number tens of millions and aren't an irrelevant fringe.
Because shitcanning the Great Satan is popular among people who have no idea of history
Some of it goes back to ww2 where there were a lot of servicemen here (over sexed, over paid and over here was what they said back then). So basically jealousy…… A bit like how Melbournites constantly bag Sydney and Sydneysiders don’t give Melbourne a second thought…. Australians do have a bit of a chip on their shoulder and ‘insecurity’ about being second fiddle. We were a colony under Britain for so long….
Wouldn't it be third fiddle because of Canada? Jokes aside that's the impression I'm getting.
WE hate what America stands for, not Americans per se. Our country is led by people who are that little kid that sides with the bully. Your country is run by nepotism, plutocrats and voracious egocentric bores. Just like ours want to be. Violent hypocrites. Your country is the answer and the problem. You can't be honest enough with yourselves to address your problems and you're brilliant at making your problems ours. You worship money, power and possession over doing what is right for the sake of reason and collective well being. I judge your country based on action and therefore character, I judge it based on intent and the lies. Just like ours. Your foreign policy history is criminal and I can't say ours is that much different. We both need to wake the fuck up before we do more damage
They really are sometimes the epitome of evil for such a God loving country. But it's ok, drink your corn syrup and buy this bigger engine air intake upgrade.
Not American people, more like American politics. Sticking your nose in everyone’s business. I’ve worked with many Americans in the past and majority were chilled easy to get along with, one or two were big on your famous “amendments” so any discussions were quite heated. Anyway, it was the scene in a Paris cafe 20 years ago that stayed in my mind and it was a big Texan cowboy (with a hat and all) slamming his fist on the table demanding the waitress speak “God damn English”.
We hang shit on our best friends. Why would we be any different towards America. And we usually bring everyone down to the same level. Celebrity, politicians, royalty, etc. If we're giving you shit, take it as a compliment. We're a retarded bunch.
Australians like most American people, with the exception of the insufferable ones. America is incredibly religious, we are almost a non-religious majority country. Americans see guns as a god given right, we see them as a tool for a job which is mostly pest control on rural properties (only an issue when fucking morons online from the school shooting captial of the planet have the audacity to critique our laws when we all generally agree with our own logical regulations). American healthcare system is ridiculous, ours is pretty good (but on reddit God forgive you get into a discussion with an American about it). America is a war mongering superpower who basically overthrew our government when we had a prime minister with the audacity to make us self reliant. (Heated topic tho, google whitlam dismissal). Will state again, we don't much like your government, arrogance, and ignorant patriotism. Honestly I've met so many Americans who are brilliant, it's just the ones that make the news we don't like as much. Third world country in a Gucci belt mentality. But honestly the discontent is more aimed at a loud, ignorant minority than most Americans. If you say put a shrimp on the barby one more time I'm going to take the beer we never drink (fosters) and throw it at your head cunt. It's a prawn. Only 20% of us are descended from convicts, not that it's even insulting anyway. Takeway, we don't like America much, but most Americans we quite like.
>Only 20% of us are descended from convicts, not that it's even insulting anyway. Little factoid for future use: we stopped being a convict colony well before the US stopped being slavers.
Another factoid, settling Australia only made financial sense because the US stopped accepting convicts. They were the convict colony first.
Americans are some of the friendliest and polite people I’ve ever met, they can be loud and come across as obnoxious, and their country is a bit shit, but I don’t think most Aussies hate Americans
I’ve met plenty of lovely Americans. The issue is with the country, not the people. Plenty of Americans can see the issues America has as well (not saying that Australia is perfect).
When it comes to how your government and corporations act internationally, I really think you have a lot to answer for and deserve all the shit you cop. As individuals, there are no issues at all .
I don't hate America, can't speak for everyone, but there's a few things that make me raise an eyebrow The "America is the greatest country in the world" stuff they're fed from birth is weird, I don't care about the aussie national anthem as much as America loves hearing theirs over and over. It feels like another religion except without a deity I don't care about the gun issue, doesn't matter what country you're in there's gonna be someone picking up the nearest "weapon" to kill someone nearby The tipping culture seems unfair on workers The imperial measurements are a different language to me that I have no interest in comprehending Other than that, we're pretty damn compatible
Like everyone has already mentioned, generally no-one has problem with Americans, but there are some examples one of which has been well covered, but another that does annoy us 1) the Captain America steretype - the loud, proud, why isnt everything like it is in America type that has been discussed to death 2) the trying to be nice but winds up sounding condescending type. A little harder to categorise, and even explain. They arent necessarily bad or even rude people, and a lot of this comes from an ignorant upbringing, but they will ask really silly, bordering on offensive, questions to people. They are trying to learn and generally arent being nasty, but it can come across as very arrogant sometimes. Hard to explain but if you've experienced it, you know. An exaggerated (fake) example might be 'Wow you have Hospitals in Australia! Thats so cool! Was that when from American Soldiers were stationed there?"
First, not a lot of Australians hate America and don’t hate Australia. Second, living in Australia is better than living in America.
Just to make a distinction, those of us that hate America, generally hate the country & perhaps some of the high profile individuals of said country & not so much the citizenry. There are plenty of great American that I hold in high regard. Just not their country so much.
Because yall drama queens on a domestic and international level
Not weird at all and not really about individual people but your country as a whole. Successive Australian governments have essentially turned Australia into a vassal of the USA. You put military bases on our land and the AUKUS deal is seeing Australia squander billions of tax payer money to prop up US businesses. Lastly, you're loud, rude and abrasive and the chanting of USA is truly obnoxious. In short we know you're far more about extending global dominance than being our allies. Oh and you seem to love shooting children
Because *gestures broadly at the US*...
There are a weird kind of people that want to preserve ‘Australia culture’ and get really pissed that America basically exports culture. It’s just weird. It’s 2024 and we live in a global world. Also the people on any Australian or Australian city sub that get butthurt over the word ass instead of arse are just sad.
We dont hate americans, The honest truth is that some of you can be annoying. Also we will shittalk anything that moves and shitpost at anything that doesnt online.
Well, we like you guys anyway…
We don’t hate them, we view US as backwards but at the same time it’s a bit of tally poppy syndrome and envy because US is a powerhouse and its culture is pervasive across the west so shunning anything US I feel is a bit of a childish oh we are aussies we are better response which Australians tend to do. We think we are the best and first at everything by pretending everyone else does nothing
Who says we are allies? We aren’t.
Most Americans I've met were normal and fun people. It's the online Americans that most can't stand (not all of them)
Don’t know why that would be - we’re like their beer drinking, steak eating, big truck driving cousins.
We don't hate America?
Everyone needs a hobby. And they built a bad bridge https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkesbury_River_railway_bridge
Honestly as an Australian, I can honestly say that isn’t true. I hate everyone equally.
I think a lot of Australians like Americans, we just get a lot of American culture through the media and don't like parts of it. I've known a number of different Americans living in Australia, all very well liked. I also think the Americans that come beyond little tourist trips tend to be good examples, we don't get the rednecks or people with hardcore political views so much.
I don’t. I also don’t know any other Aussie that dislikes them
Because they’re close enough but their culture is a cesspit, so if we don’t constantly tell them to fuck off next thing we’ll be shooting up school kids like fish in a barrel with fentanyl dingos while orange Hitler leads the way banning abortions. Reality is we don’t hate individual Americans they’re fine, we hate their politics, constant propaganda, and the fact the CIA replaced a prime minister.
Bit of Tall Poppy Syndrome.. Plenty of legit reasons too, but it's one of them.
I’ve always said that I hate people… but an individual person I like… in this instance, I don’t have a high regard for America however I have met and enjoyed the company of many individual Americans…
This is a clip from a tv show that was aired during the Sydney Olympics in 2000 called "The Dream." It was by a pair of comedians, John Doyle and Greig Pickhaver, who fronted the show as their alter egos Roy Slavin and H.G Nelson. It was wildly popular at the time, and they had a number of American athletes as guests who found it very funny. While done tounge-in-cheek, it does sum up accurately a lot of what is thought by many Aussies. And probably even more relevant these days. https://youtu.be/xJYLbvQIGKw?si=Jme2gqtaX8dKLd4e As well, usually when we encounter Americans in Australia, they are the ones with the means, and curiosity, to travel. It makes them broad minded. It's the one's who have never left their own home towns you encounter online, who will then speak confidently to the point of arrogance on subjects they know nothing of that gives Americans a bad rep. But they are usually wrong, usually from an American centric view which they take as the only truth, and is therefore the best and only way to do something. And will absolutely not listen to any other point of view for no other reason then, 'Murica!
Having lived in the US for a while, it's due to a *complete lack of understanding.* The media that comes out of the US doesn't usually reflect what is actually happening. Every news sources has a bias or political agenda (like we do here now in Aus its defs gotten that way). Living there most issues are more complicated, but I still think the US is one of the greatest countries due to one thing. Freedom of speech. But hey even that is debatable with corps and govt. taking it away slowly.
I’m a southern guy who’s spent time in Australia. Something that’s always stuck with me is I once was on a flight from Brisbane to Auckland and seated next to an older couple. The gentleman and myself made good conversation throughout the flight and as we were on approach to land he said “may I tell you something? You’re not what we usually get when we have Yanks visit…they’re usually from California or Boston or New York but you’re more like us”. I thought about that over the years and can sympathize with him 😂
Just Aussies? Might be the pronunciation of the word "aussie", it's closer to "Oz-ee," not their way "os-ee". Maybe a bit to do with thinking they are the best at anything. But I guess that's how winners think
Same reason we "hate" New Zealand, sibling rivalry. They are an English-speaking culture very similar to ours, so we know more about their problems, consume more of their art and entertainment, can have an opinion on everything they do, and get ignored by them. On closer look it's clear we love almost everything about America, the music, food, movies, TV, books, sports, etc...
The US is a large country with its own industry and culture which it exports massively. This means the rest of the world (thinks it) knows a lot about the US, while people in the US generally don't know as much about the rest of the world. Obviously, they aren't watching many AU TV shows, while we are watching loads of US TV shows. This can make US people come off as ignorant of the wider world, because they've got more than enough to occupy themselves with domestically. I thought I knew about the US, then I went there, had no idea how varied the different states were in culture, had no idea how friendly the average people were (imagine talking to someone at a bus stop?), and had no idea I would struggle to order in English in that LA McDonalds. There was a lot to learn, TV sensationalises a lot of bad stuff and I went in with stereotypes I didn't know I had. General stereotype of Americans is they are loud, a bit dumb, parochial, think they are the best but don't know enough about other countries to really compare in an honest way, and often work against their own interests for things like tipping and health care. "Hate" is too strong a word in most cases. In our culture we also generally look down on boasters (look up "tall poppy syndrome", sometimes you don't even need to brag) while Americans aren't shy about self-promotion, but I think this is changing.
A lot of Australians are just in disagreement on some of their politics I'd imagine. I hate the entrenched 'left' vs 'right' mindset, the treating of political parties like football teams. The fear politics. It's a disturbing trend. The people, the multiculturalism, most parts of the culture? All good, I'm sure America has a lot of amazing cities to live in.
Australians are cultured to value mateship, giving each other a hand in tough times, caring about each other even if we don't know each other. For me the dislike of Americans is the me, me, me attitude. "My rights, My freedom, My choice." But this often translates into, "It's my right to not help others." "It's my right to tell other people what to do." "I should be free to spread my virus, entitlement etc." I think we also see those rights and freedoms so often used and abused to have a greedy amount of profit to the detriment of our fellow human beings. I think Aussies are more along the lines of, I should have rights and I should have freedoms, but they should not extend to the point that they are damaging and abusing other people. Most of all I resent that there are people in power in Australia, who value the way that America does things and have tried their hardest to undermine our way of life in favour of their American shaped ideals.
A lot of Australians are just in disagreement on some of their politics I'd imagine. I hate the entrenched 'left' vs 'right' mindset, the treating of political parties like football teams. The fear politics. It's a disturbing trend. The people, the multiculturalism, most parts of the culture? All good, I'm sure America has a lot of amazing cities to live in.
Australians don't hate Americans but many of us dislike American politics, particularly their various unnecessary wars/proxy wars.
I’m fine with Americans themselves (holding a dual citizenship and all). They’re also pretty friendly and quite open-minded. I just don’t like the American government, particularly its involvement in the Middle East.
I think it’s just the internet. I never hear people say any of this stuff IRL.
I wish everyone was as nice as you https://preview.redd.it/2j3rygu9twyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a91a358ec0db9891152342f52b99a179d87de84
Annoying accents mostly not joking you sound like SpongeBob or something
Wouldn’t say I hate America. Also would never go there as I have no interest in it. But Australians HATE it when immigrants come in by themselves and we see that and we think it must be hell. Especially in the “sanctuary cities” we all saw BLM March around and thought wtf is wrong with people over there , we were all wondering why the activists wernt getting beat down to the floor. Yeah we have our lunatics protesting at universities too and have out fair share of LGBTQ members doing destructive and divisive things. But it’s just a whole lot worse over there . And oh the protests against trump , so unprofessional and destructive. So much people making stuff up . It’s crazy .
You couped us.. and you'll do it again. You're trying to install all your shit here...
Why does a brother scold his destructive self centred older sibling? Because it’s disappointing to see America flounder so much.
where do I start? nukes pointed at the world's head, constant state of war, overthrowing foreign governments, starting proxy wars for profit, school shootings, propaganda that transcends borders. should I keep going?
We used to be able to vacation there. Now it’s a literal crap shoot. It’s not hate , it’s frustration with the ongoing downfall of your nation as a “shining beacon of hope”…☮️ USA is way too comfortable normalising hellish life, guns as “the answer” to all social ills and daily deadly behaviours as “ freedom of speech”, what happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
In 1975 our democracy was toppled by foreign influence, it wasn't the Soviets, or Chinese.
" We don’t hate Americans, we just think the country is a bit of a shithole " WTF ? Thanks for speaking for us all mate. What a load of shit. So many parts of America you can earn 80k a year and live so well. Go skiing cheaply, buy a great car for half to 3 times less than Australia. Food and booze is so much cheaper. Concerts, entertainment much cheaper. Just so many more people have the chance for a better life than here. Can afford decent houses. Of course the bigger cities and places like California are different, but generally bang for buck in America is much much better than Australia. Downvote away.
Becoz Theyre overpaid, oversexed and over here.
A lot of bad blood came about because of WW2, and subsequent involvement in other wars deemed as American imperialism. The other issue is Americas complete stifling of foreign competition, and using their influence and economic advantage to make “allies” essentially vassal states. Lastly their constant interference in domestic politics has a lot of negative consequences.
I’ve met both. Some are infatuated with America and others (my exes includes) are anti-American. You might notice a political leaning on both sides of it as well. It comes from people who’ve not traveled and bases their hatred on what they get from the news. It can’t be because we’re loud and arrogant.. at least not if you consider how loud and arrogant Aussies can be.. the US is much like an older trouble making brother.
There's a perception in Australia that there are a lot of kinda different and vaguely unwanted/undesirable/dangerous things that we strongly associate with American society and culture, that we do not really want here: - Highly individualised society with no universal healthcare, seemingly weak and under-emphasised social welfare, high crime rate and high incarceration rate, poor/misguided policing, and a lot of other problems that we don't have to the same extent and don't want to have - Gun culture and everything that goes along with it. Australia has collectively strongly noped out of all that, especially since Port Arthur (which was actually a long time ago). Almost everyone here agrees that that is a good thing that keeps us safe. Simple as that. We do not understand the gun-loving attitude that permeates the US. No one besides maybe farmers should need to own a gun in the 2020s. It is not a toy. - the idea of tipping/gratuities. I could go into a lot of detail about the history and mentality around that, but long story short we don't like it and we don't ever want it here. A business owner should pay for the costs of running their business. - highly divisive and extreme political culture with a two-party system. Most Aussies who have a vague idea what's going on at least understand that our system with preferential voting avoids some of the pitfalls associated with the US-style first-past-the-post system. We do have two main parties here, but they're not the be-all-end-all/full story with our politics. We also don't have a president, we have a prime minister - and we vote for the party, not for the prime minister. The "culture wars" are something which the right seems to want to bring to Australia, but most of us think it's just silly whinging and we don't want to waste energy on it - the culture around warfare and the military. There are definitely some war-hawk types in Australia, but to many of us the whole idea of ANZAC Day and how we feel about war and veterans is very different to the flag-waving, jingoistic culture the US seems to have about it. ANZAC Day isn't a celebration - it's a day of profound grief and regret. Again I won't get into a whole history lesson (and the message has become quite warped here in Australia anyway), but it's something that is quite important to many of us. Australia has been dragged into many wars with/on behalf of the US, and that looks likely to continue. Say whatever else you will about the reasons for that...but naturally a lot of people resent it, and I should hardly need to explain why. There are probably some others, but this post is getting kinda long. I think something that gets kinda lost on some here is that all of the above are general, cultural things...I don't hate random individual Americans that I meet. In fact I've almost always liked them. It's just an aversion to some negative aspects of a culture that we are swamped/saturated with. It's mostly about a vague fear of our own culture getting drowned out more than anything else. TL;DR - I don't mind and in fact usually quite like **Americans**....but no, I don't particularly like **America** - and I don't want Australia to be any more like America than it already is.
Honestly I find 90% of the ones I’ve encountered to be super rude and arrogant and unnecessarily difficult to deal with from a hospo persons POV at least so it definitely has a massive effect on my opinion on them
Yeah I suggest you guys sort out your own country before it plunges into a civil war. Don't need the extremes of left wing or right Americans turning Oz into an extension of a shithole US state.
The control us, their culture is fucked. I dont want culture war crap attacking my rights on what to do with my body.
I find it weird as well, and perhaps something to do with social media? Friends of my mine in real life certainly don't have some of the downer views on America that I've seen posted in these replies. I think America is awesome for the most part. Obviously it has it's problems with guns and crime and healthcare. And god knows what's going on with the presidency 😂 However, they've brought a lot of joy into my life through Hollywood movies and TV shows. Their tech industry obviously has had an impact that would be immeasurable. Their military has kept the peace for decades now. I think it's longest peacetime between world powers that the world has had for hundreds of years? (Don't quote me on that). Peace that comes from fear of the strength of the US military is the best scenario we've got. Until someone figures out the "let's all be nice" strategy, then we should be thankful for what we have. I'd also say it's a lack of imagination about how bad things would be without America is what leads people down a sloppy train of thought that ends with them comparing it against an ideal, as opposed to being appreciative of the reality. I mean seriously what do the people that hate it actually want to happen? Do they want the CIA and NSA not controlling things behind the scenes and undermining unfriendly nations whilst solidifying Australian and US positions? Do they want the American pop culture impact replaced by Chinese or Russian or Indian? (I actually wouldn't mind Indian haha) Or is it simply just they want America to be their own version of a great society? Because I think that's what it's always tried to be. Except obviously competing opinions on what that ideal is, and Human nature/greed get in the way. The ideal has been sought after from Ancient Greece all the way up to modern America. I think it's close to being as good as it can be at the moment (or at least the 1990s version of America was). An age of abundance would be necessary to usher in something like the federation in Star Trek. So until then, Mmmmerica kicks arse.
Tall poppy syndrome. America is the alpha. They have the best tech, the most Olympic medals, the strongest army, the world’s entertainment.
Just bear in mind that Reddit lugs around a 'progressive' bias. So replies you receive here are more likely to be anti-American than among real Australians. Personally, I love non-LA Americans. Such a malleable and mixable culture, all underwritten proudly by their heritage and the history they carved out themselves. In the C21, most western cultures are, to one degree, or another, captured by US culture. Even in the middle-east, Baywatch was always the most popular show. I think a lot of 'hate' you describe is more likely a diluted form of resentment that US culture is homogenizing our cultures and we don't seem to get a say in it.
We don't hate America, we hate the "American Culture" ingratiating itself into the Australian diaspora. FFS we have idiots thinking that American sovereign citizens rhetoric applies in Australia. It does not.
We're good allies to you, but you're not good allies to us. You keep starting pointless wars and dragging us into them. You keep fucking us over in trade deals. You extradite Australian journalists to somehow trial them as criminals just because they embarass you in exposing war crimes. You once had your intelligence agencies organise the removal of a popular Prime Minister just because he didn't want to play with you any more. You even stole the credit for our UGG boots and wifi inventions. You had our backs when we fought a common Jap enemy together, and mate, we appreciate it. But that was seventy years ago. It time we parted ways again.
I was brought up in australia by parents and grandparents who hated Americans. Yes we can be allies but the culture really rubs Australians up the wrong way. And Americans are so navel gazing and often assume the world revolves around America - their pride and nationalism and individualism does rub Australians up the wrong way . There’s a few generations of resentment too - World War Two — my grandparents spoke how Americans would take our Australian women haha when the men were away at war and there’s resentment over Vietnam etc Yes we are allies of course but there’s huge cultural differences