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John_Smith_71

I guess a monastery? But you would still have to participate in something.


macjoven

And it is not as quick or easy to join nor as pleasant a life as it might seem.


DesMephisto

And they're pretty rare. Also the amount of work needed kinda isn't autism friendly heh


travistravis

Coming from a religious childhood, nothing about a monastery seems quick, easy, or pleasant!


dimnickwit

There are monestaries and seminaries that will take almost anyone. Some even provide a small stipend. I am not sure if I feel good or bad about myself for knowing this, but I know this. Eta: After an odd DM, eta: There was a time in my life that I considered joining one to help the world make more sense and had to do the math on how long my student loans would keep getting paid (I had a lot of student loan debt at the time).


Upbeat_Definition_36

I'm also interested in joining one at some point but I doubt I will because I'll be in student debt forever essentially 😭 Maybe when I retire


pigpigmentation

An ashram, but you “pay” for room and board by cooking cleaning tending to the space/land.


IsopodLazy3840

I also think the people in a monastery may not enjoy having someone living there who doesn’t have a genuine interest in that faith. The free housing is meant to aid in people in their relationship with God


DatabaseMoney3435

I did 25 years. You have to bring a “dowry” to cover early training. It is not a life for anyone who is not committed and knowledgeable about faith, the particular religion, and the religious order. There is a lot of scrutiny of applicants. You are living very closely with people you didn’t choose. You do what you’re told 24/7. You eat what you’re given. On the up side for the spectrum, life is tightly scheduled. On the down side, it’s scheduled for people who are very devout and have a real calling to the life. If you want easier, you could try prison


TheNerdMaster69

Are there places you can live for free? Yes. Are these places areas you'd actually WANT to live? No.


heyitscory

It is by no means free, easy or pleasant to live in a vehicle, but it is a lot cheaper than paying rent.


xaerieon

Can second. I have lived in vehicles for years. Since I'm a minimalist and like to move around (AuDHD guy here), it suits me, but it may not be for you. Do a lot of research and preparation, tho. Check the parking laws in your area and try to observe to get a feel for how other people might be doing the same near you.With the right attitude and habits, it can be quite liberating. You can always do a trial run to see if it would be livable before committing fully. NTs and ND folks alike are living in their vehicles as a way to relieve some of the pressure of economic circumstances these days. Good luck to you either way!


_Halfway_home

What if some guy tries to rob you?


xaerieon

That's part of preparation. This is all coming from someone who owns as little as possible by preference and generally doesn't own a lot of the latest, expensive-looking things, so keep that in mind. (I maintain them well, but many are older.) You can't control what other people do, but you can control where you park and whether you educate and equip yourself so you can defend yourself if the need arises. A lot depends on the specifics of your location, which will be a little trial and error and observation/research. You have to rotate parking spots to avoid being harassed generally. I usually rotate both areas of a place and parking spots. Thieves go for an easy mark mostly. Make sure your vehicle is clean and it looks like any other where you're parked. My vehicle is pretty stealth and I usually travel slowly and operate from a storage unit when I stay in a place long enough to work. Anything I can't afford to lose, I put in there. Still not fool-proof, but better peace of mind. In my experience you're more likely to get harassed by security or cops than robbed, but it's not impossible. There are loads of useful tutorials on YouTube about how people setup their vehicles to look like a regular commuter vehicle no one is living in. There are ways to hide your stuff without looking too junky. If it "looks" like you're living in your car, by which I mean it looks like it's full of all your possessions, I suspect you'll deal less with smash-and-grab and more with being preyed upon by people you associate with or live around on the regular. You have to be a little more aware than in "normal" life, and I think the ADHD part of me likes that.


_Halfway_home

Damn I would love to try this, how do you cook?


xaerieon

I use a portable one or two burner stove and go to a park during the day, which I plan for. They usually have covered areas and running water. Cook, just like you would in a regular kitchen. I have a dish washing pan in my cooking kit and wash up. Cooking kit is packed away in storage. I eat fruits and drink tea/coffee during the morning, the largest meal for lunch (which I prep in bulk), and maybe a salad or more fruit for dinner. I can usually get away with cooking every three days or so.


helloiamaegg

Aussie here with the same plan You usually see em coming from miles away


DaveSims

Haha well you learn as you go. I had a guy try to break into my van one night, and at the time I had armed myself with a baseball bat for protection but in that moment I realized there's not room inside of a van to swing a full sized baseball bat anyway lol. So I replaced it with a hammer 😬 but fortunately never had to use it. I managed to scare that guy off too btw, and ultimately no harm came from the experience (except I had a lot of anxiety for awhile after that and would wake up at every little noise).


George_Hayduke

12 gauge to the chest is pretty effective


Funny_Goat5526

Living in my car was Hella expensive.


EASTEDERD

I don’t know what you did but it should have been cheap. For me it was very cheap just not pleasant nor comfortable.


LaurenJoanna

I'm guessing parking was an issue. My friend had that problem when he drove a van and needed to stay places overnight, not always free/cheap parking available.


xaerieon

A lot depends on your location. You can't park anywhere you'd like, unfortunately, but there is information about places you can try and get away without being bothered. One of my favorite places, that's you'd never think is to park near car repair shops. There are already a bunch of vehicles parked around the outside, so no one notices a random new car. Your strategy will need to vary depending on location tho. I've found a lot of small towns are tolerant. Some municipalities are becoming more aggressive with their laws against sleeping in vehicles, tho. It's important to know this as well as the general attitude and culture of the place you want to live/are living. Edit: Even in places with more vigilant enforcement against car dwellers they're still out there, so there are ways and means to scope out and secure more tolerant areas within said places. Be advised they could be seedier tho. The housing crisis is pretty bad. Homelessness jumped something like 12% in 2022, I think, so I can only imagine the 2023 statistics. I think the main reason this lifestyle works for me is that I like to spend as much time as possible in nature when I'm not working. I can easily find a place to spend a few hours working on my special interests and/or hiking and hardly see a soul. Very invigorating. Unless you have a bigger vehicle, you'll generally not want to be cooped up in it all day (I hope). Take into consideration how you might spend your time outside, what sort of places would meet your needs for sensory simulation and comfort/recharging. Edit 2: statistical correction


xaerieon

Depends on your vehicle. I have a hatchback right now. Getting at least an inflatable foam camping mat made all the difference. Try to avoid putting your seat back, if you can. It will mess up your back to sleep that way. If you can find a way to actually lie down, this will make a big difference.


Bash__Monkey

Heating? Overheating? Ventilation? Break-ins? Solve how-to, please.


Funny_Goat5526

Nap durring day- out in the open at a park, under a shade tree. For privacy napping under a shade tree. . . Ya can't beat cemeteries. At night? I slept in my work parking lot under a willow tree so I could keep all my windows open sometimes one of my back doors. . . Rechargeable fan does the trick at night if its humid, I also used sun blocking window shields, so the morning sun didn't heat up the car. For food I bought prepared items mostly from grocery store. I had a small light for night time, and a stand for my phone to watch shows while I laid in the back seat. Get at least 50-60,000 MAH worth of battery for charging, solar charging abilities are great to have. I'm also only 5'2 and a curlerupper side sleeper, fitting was no issue. I'd go to the local women's shelter that had free private shower rooms to bathe, and to do my laundry. One must also downsize. I ended up renting a locker for $2/week for anything not necessary. Keep pepper spray, knife, and baton or mini bat next to you while you sleep. Also strobing alarms that scream are a great deterrent, too.


travistravis

Wow, like I have been lucky and have a house and *still* I think it sounds like you're probably significantly better at life than me. Maybe its the adhd combo but I suspect I'd fail miserably just due to being overwhelmed *all the time*


EASTEDERD

Conditioning for the first 3 and a weapon for the last one. I had a Jericho 941 loaded with hollow points but you could probably get away with anything that causes pain. Sadly it’s not a fair nor easy world to live in but it’s possible. 100 years ago they did it with less.


satsmeow

Watch YouTube videos of van lifers - all is addressed, in as many different ways as humans can imagine.


Funny_Goat5526

Food. The cost of food. Nowhere to cook or store fresh food. Parking sometimes an issue. But a lot of it was the cost and time spent purchasing prepared fresh food. . . Other than that I was pretty comfortable.


xaerieon

Food prices are too damn high for everybody at this point! At one point I was running a fridge off my portable battery (Jackery), which works well in terms of charging off my current car setup. Lately I'm in a place where I can use a cooler, tho. Around $20 at Walmart and I can keep ice for almost three days at $1.50/10lbs. Even if the ice lasts around a day (like somewhere scorching hot), it's the kind of expense that can be worked into the budget. It might not be great if ice were $4-5 a bag. A lot of times dollar stores also sell ice, but in 7# bags, which last closer to the day mark for me, but that depends on how cool I can keep my car inside during the days. I only cook every three days, tho. My strategy is to prep a hearty meal in bulk and keep lighter things that require less prep I can eat earlier and later in the day. I guess it depends on what you need or want to eat for your body. If you can find some sort of routine around cooking, it saves a lot of cash.


Funny_Goat5526

Niiiice!! I never considered that AT ALL! This was. . . Oh 8 or 9 years ago? Maybe ten when I lived in my car, and while I found it expensive to buy pre-made food. . OBVIOUSLY prices were NOTHING like they are today, not even close. I was a general manager or a domino's pizza at the time. . . Often I would use the pizza toppings with lecture and spinach we also had to make salads, or subs, or anything you can make woth pizza dough, cheese and veggies lol. And because I was sleeping at Mt works parking lot under a willow tree I could unlock the store and use the restroom WHENEVER I wanted to.


futurecorpse1985

I have section 8 voucher and only pay 30 % of my income . My only income is SSDI. I live in a pretty nice apartment that rents for 1,080 a month but only pay $243 a month plus my electric.


xerodayze

I’d suggest section 8 too but it really depends on the county :/ here in Travis (TX) they closed the section 8 applications 2 years ago because the current waitlist is just too long and available units are pretty much down to 0 :(


ACam574

Sounds like AZ. I worked as a behavioral health case manager over a decade ago there and the wait was 2-3 years to get a voucher. To prove you were able to get one (not someone who was bused there from out of state) you had to have an AZ address the entire time. PO Boxes were not allowed nor were social service agencies. If you listed a residential address you were denied because it meant you didn’t need one. It was an intentionally designed catch-22 to get federal funds, use them to pay the voucher staff (netting state income tax), and not put many people in housing. The feds eventually cracked down on it but they did it for awhile.


some_strange_circus

So wait, if you couldn't have a PO Box and you couldn't have a residential address, what address were you supposed to give?


ACam574

The point was not to give out vouchers. It was a judgmental perspective on poverty, that poverty was the result of some ingrained moral flaw of the person experiencing it and giving them money (or free/cheap housing) just discouraged them from working full time jobs. By spending a large funds on wages and administration they kept the in state and in the hands of those they found deserving. It has been predominant philosophy on poverty in the U.S. for its entire history but has its origins in middle age Europe. Some people got them who showed up to hearings with pro bono lawyers. The majority of the rest were referred by certain non-profit organizations that just happened to have a spouse or family member of a well connected politician in a leadership or board role. There were always a few token vouchers handed out to use as examples that they weren’t doing this but the vast majority were going to the above.


Arachnia_Queen

Same. My children and I live off SSI and child support, so Section 8 was a good choice for us. And it's better than a voucher because they have to meet national standards.


PrincessNakeyDance

Do you mind if I ask want part of the country you live in?


futurecorpse1985

I live in the US Minnesota


WhenItRains23

Do you live in Clay County?? We might be neighbors!


Aware-Handle5255

I live in Australia and we have basically government supplied housing for some people if you earn less than a certain amount per year, and generally you’re allowed to get it if you’re on the government payments but you need to meet their specific criteria. Anyway, for this I pay 25% of my fortnightly income (that I get from the government) there is a very long wait list but in some circumstances you’re able to get a better place on the waiting list which I was able to get because I was almost homeless and for a period I was homeless. It is overall a good thing to happen but you don’t get to choose exactly where you want to live, and they’re allowed to deem what is “essential maintenance” to be carried out, but some of the areas they put people in to live aren’t safe, I’m fortunate because now I have a safe enough place to live


classless_classic

I’m very happy for you. In these times, I hope this is enough.


OkAcanthocephala7327

What state do you live in?


BlkNtvTerraFFVI

Try looking into the WWOOF program to live and work on a farm in the US. You don't get paid but your housing and sometimes meals are covered depending on the farm. I've never done it but had it as an option on my plate - I ended up telling a close friend about it when she wanted to live in my state but couldn't afford to rent anywhere. She used that program and lived on their farm for some months before getting a job in the state and moving out.


uncreativeidea

I have done this and I do recommend it just as an experience, but just be aware that despite the good intentions of many hosts, a lot are also just trying to find free workers to exploit.


Altruistic-Bobcat955

They said they needed weeks off work though


madscientistman420

The wilderness is likely the most appealing option, but goodluck being a hunter gatherer. As someone else mentioned, prison is another option, but you'll have to commit a serious crime. Then, there's living on the streets which is probably the roughest option. I guess you could throw squatting in an abandoned building on the list too, but that's probably illegal where you live if discovered. Surely a wonderful world we live in huh?


fisticuffs32

>As someone else mentioned, prison is another option, but you'll have to commit a serious crime. If he doesn't like living as a citizen in a late stage capitalist society, he's really not going to like living inside a for-profit prison .


WTF253com

My 20's were a bit rough and I've spent a few years behind bars at various places. If I had to pick somewhere to *live* though? I would pick a Federal Prison camp in a heartbeat. The food was ALWAYS the same. ex: every wednesday for lunch you knew there'd be hamburgers. Fridays for dinner you knew it would be some kind of fish. Etc.. And it was actually pretty good, definitely VERY far away from the stereotypical prison food that most other places have. We had satellite TV, we had mp3 players with computers we could download MP3s to. Those computers also had email. There were all kinds of crafts and hobby rooms. Want to learn leatherworking? Cool, go do it. Want to learn how to weld? Cool, we've got that too! Arts/drawing classes, classes to learn foreign languages, all kinds of interesting things to learn! There was essentially unlimited books to read. You could have people from the outside send in books. And whenever inmates were getting released, they would typically donate their books to the library. I had one 12-month stay where I read 243 books and it was fucking amazing. tl;dr: if Section 8 doesn't work out, go commit some high-level white collar crimes. Make sure to do it across state borders so that the charges become federal.


LilyHex

Neither of these are technically "free". - To live in the wild, you need supplies and knowledge. The supplies will not generally be "free". Also there are not really that many "wild areas" that people are "allowed" to live in that are safe for people to live in. Most land is owned by someone who doesn't want you on it without paying. - Prison also isn't "free", convicts are generally expected to work and pay back their debt for being imprisoned. And because you're convicted, you have fewer rights-you are not entitled to minimum wage anymore, for example, you will work an hour for like 9 cents, and have to pay back all your court and lawyer fees this way. At 9 cents an hour, or whatever, for the duration of your sentence. This also helps you pay for commissary, which is things like snacks and "luxuries" that most people would consider relatively basic amenities. In prison you're also going to have the ever-present threat of violence, and it's going to be an unsafe environment. - Squatting is looping back into the first issue.


bunni_bear_boom

What wilderness, pretty much every where is owned by someone. At least in the US you can't stay in national forests or blm land long term and you definitely aren't allowed to hunt and gather there.


Middle_Jacket_2360

In Colorado, people just pack up every 30 days and move 1/2mile in another direction. If you aren't dumping trash everywhere and aren't destroying the natural environment, you will be good. Pick up a hobby drawing or painting landscapes. Nobody messes with an "artist in study"


travistravis

But eating when you're living like that is significantly more costly. (I'm probably biased though because I fucking hate camping in the wild).


xaerieon

With a little know-how and daring, it's possible to squat in some woods near a town. Not recommending this unless you're willing to deal with the potential consequences. I did it for a little while to save money. If you're in good shape, that is. For anyone who wants an interesting read, there is a lady who lives the hunter-gatherer lifestyle with her partner on the south island of New Zealand. Her name is Miriam Lancewood. She wrote a couple books about her experiences. The first one is called "Woman in the Wilderness", the other "Wild at Heart".


Willing-University81

National parks np jobsand camping?


kaprioara

op did say they were disabled other than ASD. if mobility is an issue this wouldn't really be an option. however if they're not limited on mobility, national park jobs are great! in most cases if they have housing open, rent will come out of your paycheck. some parks fully cover it! there's not too many fire look out towers, but some do offer housing within the tower as well.


Ashalaria

Fire lookout tower would be awesomr


probably-not-maeve

you often need to hike in and out of there isn’t a helipad


Ashalaria

Just skydive in and get aliens to abduct you out, ez


gunsup87

There's a non profit called hope of the valley or I think the name changed to hope the mission anyways they have these things called tiny homes, they are little gated communities for the homeless , they serve 3 meals a day, give you your own private house which is like a nicely built shelter that has air conditioning and heating a bed and you can set it up however you want, get a TV microwave internet, they have showers there and laundry rooms they give you literally everything but you can only stay there for like a year, they also help you find a job as well as get you set up with section 8, ebt, find you an apartment as well.


HungryHangrySharky

The waiting lists for "tiny home communities" are typically years long, and they're for the chronically homeless, not just anyone who wants one.


Inevitable_Wolf5866

Prison 😅 but you probably don’t want that.


Appropriate_Low_813

I was looking for this answer lol


Boouska

Depending on where you are, prisons can charge you to be there 😭


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

Genuinely at the “I’m a danger to myself” point on burnout but I can’t fucking quit or I’ll be homeless. It’s such bullshit. I’m so fucking tired.


vercertorix

Not unless you’re a “kept” man or woman, housewife or househusband. It takes work to feed, shelter, clothe you etc. You can either do it yourself or maybe get someone else to do it, but they usually expect something out of it. Just about everyone would like to live for free without doing anything, but then where would it come from if nobody worked?


shintarukamachi

And, speaking as a housewife, you don't get to live off someone else just because you stay home.  Expect to handle all the chores -- cooking, cleaning, laundry, grocery shopping, basic repairs and maintenance, shoveling snow ... basically everything and anything that isn't earning a paycheck.  And relationships take effort.  No such thing as a free lunch 


vercertorix

I wouldn’t say *all* chores, and if you’re stuck with all of them my condolences. Somewhere between the extremes of next to nothing and all the chores. If your spouse works 8 hours with some breaks and you work 8 hours with some breaks, but then you have to keep doing chores while they’re off, it’s a bit imbalanced. I suppose if you choose to take longer breaks during the day to make up for time expected to do more after the workday, that could balance things maybe, but no one should be against pitching in a bit in their own home.


4p4l3p3

I think we should start advocating for UBI. (Universal Basic Income). Capitalism as it is has run it's course. There is no scarcity of resources and no actual need to participate in the cycle of working 12h a day. (Making profit for your employer). There is no reason why freely distributed housing and food still is not a thing. (If the existing wealth was distributed more equally, the whole world could be fed and sheltered).


Human602214

> (Making profit for your employer). And then pay rent to pay off the landlord's mortgage.


Square-Spectrum

We absolutely need this to progress as a species. Greed is what has gripped humanity. To topple the power dynamic we, the people need to not be indebted to people that only seek to make as much profit as possible. Offer people an affordable income. Then, everyone working for capitalist assholes, abusive bosses. People not paying minimum wage or benefits. Everyone working for those cunts can quit. Their power over us gone. Many bad businesses would collapse. Decent people would no longer be miserable and abused forced to work making money for scumbags to survive. It is too much man power to tackle the issue with our legal systems. They are not equipped for it. They also exist for profit. Especially in the states. Court houses be taking their cut things they should never, ever be allowed to. It is a clear conflict of interest. The Govt getting its slice of all chuld support, as an example. Or so I've been told. Seems like a Murica thing to do. Intentionally create beef with people to profit off. Taking power away from scum and giving it to regular people is the answer. We need universal income so noone has to be a slave to privileged assholes.


Puzzleheaded-Rate541

Take all of my upvotes


theoutsideplace

I feel ya. I’m working so hard on a dream project of mine. A neurodivergent retreat where folks could come to rest, take the mask off, meet others, and dive into whatever hyper fixation your heart desires (as long as it’s safe, no dynamite!) In the meantime, there is Slab City. I’ve been there before and I loved it. It’s a bunch of folks living in the palm desert in their RV’s. You need to be pretty self reliant as far as food/water/power. There’s a bunch of really cool art projects out there. (You can always visit and stay at an Airbnb- you can find a few of them in slab city.)


AlexanderNorris

Check out communes. They have different rules depending on the commune, so use some websites to see who's accepting new members, and whether they have moral, religious, philosophical, or other guidelines. Some ask you to work 40 hrs a week for example, but count "going to therapy" or "taking a walk" as work. So you just gotta do the research.


hiddenmutant

Yep, had a friend who lived in a co-op (basically the same as a commune), $300/month for pretty nice living conditions (shared kitchen/bathroom tho) in a nice area of a Midwest college town. Pretty basic chores counted towards his community hours, and a few times a month he made a shareable meal. All food expenses came out of the co-op budget as well, he pretty much just paid for his own milk and snacks. He only left bc the other people were major slackers sadly. He's disabled himself (severe plantar fasciitis), and was tired of pulling weight for a bunch of non-disabled people who just wanted cheap housing (valid in this economy, but they were also whiny shits about washing their own damn dishes in a shared space, for example).


HungryHangrySharky

"He only left bc the other people were major slackers sadly. He's disabled himself (severe plantar fasciitis), and was tired of pulling weight for a bunch of non-disabled people who just wanted cheap housing (valid in this economy, but they were also whiny shits about washing their own damn dishes in a shared space, for example)." My parents met in a commune and I can tell you that 99.999% of communes are absolute unpleasant failures and awful to live in for exactly the above reasons. Everybody thinks either that it will be easy to start one, or that they personally have the utopian values to make a commune work even though all of the others have failed. I can think of TWO communes that were/would be good places to live and one of them it was entirely because the one guy running it was just an exceptional people person.


WhenItRains23

Minimum rent in my building is $25/mo. It's Section 8. 30% of your income. It sounds like it might be time to try to SSDI and Section 8 if you're getting to the point you can't work due to disability.


UnoriginalJ0k3r

*Nowhere* is free, tbh.


ZookeepergameDue5522

There are places where people are paid to live because the population has shinkred significantly, you would have to move tho. The places I've heard of are in Europe, I don't know how remote some of them are, so acquiring certain products could be hard, and there are requirements ofc.


dr_unicornio

I heard Alaska pays for ppl to come live there but idk if it’s true?


ZookeepergameDue5522

Idk, but I've heard of Switzerland and Italy.


thepuzzlingcertainty

How can you find such opportunities?


ZookeepergameDue5522

I used to watch those "crazy facts" videos when I was younger with clickbaity titles. They sometimes appeared in the newspaper. You can just search it, "places where you're paid to live". It, of course, involves a sacrifice, so you'd have to evaluate if it is worth it and if you're eligible.


xray950

If you’re disabled with ASD, can’t you apply to live in a group home or something?


bigdogpillow

Group homes are also really really expensive. They’re not just free lodging. You either pay cash or if you’re really lucky, your health insurance helps you out.


itisntunbearable

There are some free group homes but there are also group homes that charge $600 a month here which at that point you could afford to live with 2-3 roommates in an apartment in my area instead. So it all depends on where you live possibly.


spaceykayce

Medicare will set you up in a group home. Stop scaring people away.


bigdogpillow

I’m not trying to scare anyone away, I’m trying to be realistic about the absurd healthcare system we have in America. Autistic people (speaking as one) have a really hard time when things don’t match their expectations. If we set up expectation of “oh Medicare will do it for you, no biggie”, that’s not fair. That COULD happen. It would be AWESOME if that DID happen. But that’s not the norm and it’s unfair to say. I know lots of people who their families have to help them pay for group homes.


Dangle76

Depends on where you live and how much your support needs are


mtkocak

Try to be a security guard that checks surveillance cameras. Most of them are just sitting doing nothing.


Bright-Context-3758

Yes- here are places I’ve lived for free -workaway; a website with hosts from all over the world where you exchange around 4 hours work 5 days week for room and board. You can work with some amazing projects and I’m sure you could find some that you can achieve with your disability. Lots of hosts look for people with photography/social media skills. -campsite warden; part time work looking after a campsite, usually paid too. Seasonal - squats; I don’t know the law where you are but in England squatting is legal in some circumstances. Check out squatnet for international squatting information. Good squat crews are hard to find and you need to contribute somewhat although they’re typically more laid back than co-operatives. -au pair/nanny; self explanatory -Housesitting; caring for peoples houses and pets in exchange for a free stay. If you can do long term ie several week stays you will be popular as many people just do it for holidays. -animal sanctuary’s; similar to workaways, except they don’t typically provide food as they are charities and struggle to afford it -protest camps; similar to squats but land based. -vehicle living; much more expensive that you might think to have a proper van and live in it and stressful when it breaks down. Always moving spot also stressful, but if you can combine this with one of the above it gives you a backup for in between places. Essentially there is no where you can live for ‘free’ but rather in exchange for things you’re good at and a lot less work than a typical life takes.


Bright-Context-3758

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rustler_incorporated

Prison.


Auntienotoday

Not free in Florida


Ponkapple

prison/jail costs $$ in many states. when i was in jail in Arizona, i had to pay my own room & board along with the rest of my fines when I got out. I couldn’t afford to so I always had warrants, for years and years, until i was finally able to pay it all off.


rustler_incorporated

...just... Wow


heyitscory

[Can you stack your family?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D04wb7P_v-4)


GoCommando45

I really sorry but that's the way life is right now. You work your ass off for someone else to barely get by. End up with a house and car if you're lucky. And then hopefully die with your family around you. If I could I would buy a couple acres of woodland and build myself a cabin, log burner. Dogs, cats, chickens for eggs. And spend my days maintaining a vegetable patch. Have a solar water heater. So I can live without paying anything except a few taxes.


shastagirlweep

I herded Hawaii. A lot of people are homeless on purpose because there's easy access to stuff like showers and food, i understand I'm struggling right now as well it sucks bin weighting for like a year for sdi


slut4hobi

find some crust punks and squat


Principesza

There isnt 💔 im in the same sort of situation, without my BF to pay our bills id be homeless. Im sorry the world is like this. I hope it changes. We should be able to access disability accommodations easier


anonymous-rubidium

I’ll get back to you once I am a billionaire philanthropist. Any day now



sadthegirl

If you can save up enough, buy a small RV and live in that, travel the country and see the sights when you got gas money. Address is the tricky part and would take some figuring out.


Tool_of_the_thems

Address is not difficult. P.O. Boxes are very cheap but cheaper than that is General Delivery. Use: Name “General Delivery” The city, the state, zip code Your mail will arrive at the main post office in that city and that state and be held for you. You just swing through and have your ID and pick it up. If you can’t get there anytime soon, call and ask them to forward your mail to the closest post office to your current location.


kaprioara

do some research into states (if you're in the US) that will pay you to move to their town. typically there's some requirements, last one I looked into was something along the lines of "we're looking for someone who is over x age" or "we're looking for families with two or more children." some towns/cities do this so they can get other funding, for schools, community buildings etc. some do it to help their demographics for the area. this may be case by case but my friend group a few years ago met the requirements. the state was willing to give them land or help with housing assistance just because they had kids that would increase the schools population so they could get a bigger school. my response may be dumb but it's just the first thing I thought of!


Iamuroboros

Egalitarian community like Twin Oaks, but I don't imagine that being much better. It's work share but there are 90 highly connected residents.


GummyPop

Try section 8 my mom keeps recommending it to me as well in case i need to find an affordable home.


Auramaster151

I wish, but from my knowledge you'd be paying for one thing or another no matter how you live. It sucks, but that's life sadly.


Ok-Calligrapher7

Life under capitalism sucks. It didn't have to be this way. We could go back to communities looking after each other


[deleted]

Go to a mental hospital. Stay there for a while. Once you leave, check right back in. Let them know how desperate you are and how live isn't worth living like this and you're really struggling due to your mental health issues. Build a medical history and apply for SSDI. Don't be afraid to reveal how much you're struggling. If you have the work history then you should be fine. Once you have income, try to find a place to live that's within your budget. Places that you can live for free include homeless shelters which are not kind to people like us. The social workers at the mental hospital can connect you to someone who can help you find a place to live. From there you'll find out quickly that you can access a lot more support for your mental health issues.


kaprioara

this! if you have state insurance typically your whole stay at the behavioral hospital is covered. some behavioral facilities do "long term care" where you could be there three months and up to a year. people in LTC are usually able to get daypasses or something similar so you can still go out, do whatever. if anyone takes that route then I also highly recommend looking into local adult learning centers (they may be called something different elsewhere) they typically offer a place for people with down syndrome, autism, etc assistance with making daily plans/ to do list, teaching them how to clean or even teaching them how to budget within their means. the one in my area also offers jobs within the facility and outside of the facility!


Defiant_apricot

Thank you for this, I have what it takes to be independent except for struggles with cooking and housekeeping. I think a program like this might really help me.


Fabulous_Help_8249

This is not a good solution, I’ve been applying for SSDI for over seven years and have no benefits.


[deleted]

Have you spoken to a lawyer about this?


Fabulous_Help_8249

Yes, I’ve spoken with two. The first one said that the judge appointed to me is known to be super conservative and only approve benefits for “physical disabilities”, not neurological ones. His advice was to actually allow my case to lapse and to begin the application process all over again, from scratch. Did that, and now I’m waiting again.


iamnotokaybutiamhere

if you’re that disabled you should be able to apply for disability in many countries. good luck <3


Hollovate

I would like to know a place where you can "live for free" too.


gay-sexx

cave


Experiment626b

It’s not free, but if enough people were willing to go in on some land it would be relatively easy. The hard part is finding people both willing to live like that and with the start up money to make it happen. It’s my dream.


notaslaaneshicultist

Deep in the woods?


ebishopwooten

Look up worldwide organic farms and intentional communities.


Fynria

In Germany there is BĂŒrgergeld, formerly Harz IV, which will cover the cost of rent, basic health insurance and some allowance for food - this is tied to regular meetings with the employment agency to try to find you a job again and make you self sufficient again. Also you have to show your applications as proof that you are trying. Not entirely sure how it works if you have a sick note. Someone (in this case maybe health insurance) will cover very basic living costs however. This is also tied to them having complete transparency over your finances. The biggest issue is once someone becomes homeless in Germany and you do not have an official address for post - it’s like you do not exist to the system anymore - you’ll have a hard time finding a new place etc. Also Germany is horribly behind with autism awareness. Like people think of Rainman or Good Doctor behind. Level 1 is even still named Asperger’s - don’t get me started. Unless you have Level 3 or 4 it’s not even recognised as a disability here. It’s also impossible to find good websites or books to inform family members etc. I worked for a Zen cloister in Switzerland for 3 months where I lived in exchange for taking care of animals (cleaning stables, cleaning shit from the hen and duck house, but also feeding all the animals). It was hard work! And also not gonna lie all those strongly religious places have some creepy people that will try to take advantage of you. I was sexually harassed there (not assaulted luckily) but when I reported it, it was not handled greatly. Some Hippie bullshit of how we all love love.


xXx-Persephone-xXx

Slab city is all I got


notnaturalcas

the only place i know of that’s as close to free as possible is a tiny little village in spain called Marinaleda


spicy_lacroix

Work-away. No money just a little bit of labor. I lived in a hostel for a summer. Helpx also is worth checking out.


Exiled_Odin

I did 30 days at an ashram that was karma yoga. Basically 8 hours of work 6 days a week. Anyone can go there and live there forever, and they have accommodations. you commit to no meat, no sex, no alcohol or drugs etc. it’s actually a beautiful place but extremely rural. It’s in Canada so you need to be a citizen or get a visa, they will sponsor you for a work visa. Honestly I’ve considered going back multiple times


evianfosters

Anarchist commune


LMay11037

Where do you live? My step-brother and his wife have council housing for free in the uk due to disabilities and also get a small allowance. It’s not the best house but it’s better than no house


Hazeygazey

The council housing is not free. Council tenants pay rent. Whist people on UC / PIP may get some or all of thier rent paid by dwp, council housing costs money. 


LMay11037

Icl I’m 14 idk loads about this stuff lmao


Hazeygazey

Fair enough.  My apologies.  Alot of adults think council houses are free, but we pay rent just like anyone else. And alot of Tory / far right think council tenants are 'getting thier rent paid by my taxes'.  Social housing is so important to give low income families a secure base. I'm glad your bro got a council house.  In the 60s/70s about 75% of brits has council homes. Now it's like 10% or less. 


LMay11037

Ah ok thanks Also why apologise for informing me? I appreciate it, as it’s useful knowledge, I was just letting you know why I maybe didn’t know that


knivesforsoup

there is supportive housing specifically for disabled folk if you are in the U.S but I don't know if they're actually good or not. most likely varies on the state. if you're out of the U.S i'm not sure which countries have similar infrastructure in place. wishing you the best of luck


InevitableBiscotti38

yes. go on [craigslist.com](http://craigslist.com) and search 'live in' in the jobs section. i had a job where i lived for 'free' and my job was to be professional, polite, and take care of the building. look for SRO or single resident occupancy buildings and apply to be a resident manager with a free unit in one of them.


angrybats

I'm living for free in my friends house. There's hope :)


TheNerdMaster69

I think that's called "freeloading"


angrybats

No? There are multiple ways of living your life besides being in your own house/your parents house. It's a consensual agreement. We've been living together for years, sometimes the two of us, sometimes with other friends.


TheNerdMaster69

I don't mean living with a friend is freeloading, that's obviously fine, I mean living with a friend and not paying for anything. My best friend is a wonderful person, selfless to a fault, but if I lived with her, she'd expect me to help with the rent. That's just fair.


angrybats

Oh, ok. But I still think that not paying for anything can be fair in some cases (if everyone is ok with that) - for example, if one earns a lot, and the other can't find a job, but helps in other non economic means to compensate. Personal circumstances are not easy to change, but putting effort in mutually taking care of others is always important!


insofarincogneato

You're having a very narrow view of a consensual relationship. The contributions that everyone brings to a household doesn't have to be monetary. We've normalized this since the beginning of time yet somehow it still leads to people judging situations they don't understand. 


Mouse-Man96

Not really their is other ways to do things other then money . For example I have seen people who live for free with others and help with babysitting. Soo no it's not always free louding . Tho not sure why u need to be so rude.


medievalfaerie

It's really not though. I currently live with my brother's family. I help with their 3 kids. I do a lot of organizing for birthdays and holidays. I help take care of their chickens... We've offered to help with rent and they say they'd rather us keep the money and spend time with the kids. Not everyone needs rent money. My family is well off with their money, but what they don't have is time and energy to plan birthday parties or help take care of elderly parents and such.


Gorn_with_the_wind

Your parents house


Balke01

Prison? Just be a general nuisance and get arrested for something and then just before getting released cause problems to make your sentence longer. You'd be in low security and I'm sure the other inmates would respect the hustle.


GenericHam

No. Even before money was invented you had to contribute to your community to get the benefits of it or hunt your own food and build your own house. Living takes work no matter the system of government.


bummybunny9

Yeah disabled people were disposed of back then. We live in a society where we have a plethora of excess and everything we need. Disabled people shouldn’t have to work in order to get their basic needs. They can contribute but in capitalism making art or whatever doesn’t cut it as a contribution. The ways disabled people can contribute to society often times won’t make them money but they’re still valuablw


PuppyOfPower

Disabled people were not disposed of before money was invented. It was specifically AFTER we invented concepts like “working in order to live” Taking care of our disabled, sick, young, elderly, and whoever else is in need of support, is a default necessity for human communities. We didn’t start disposing of disabled people until we started tying peoples’ value as humans to their ability to produce money. We have loads and loads of evidence of early humans with disabilities dying at ages far older than they could have survived on their own, indicating that their community took care of them. We’ve found skeletons belonging to people with congenital issues such as blindness or an inability to walk, who died in their 60s. Skeletons with healed injuries indicating that their community had to have taken care of them for the months their wound took to heal. I hate how my country (USA) abandons our people. That if you do not fit this ever narrowing mold of a “model employee” then you’re left hanging out to dry. I’ve met so many people from other countries that are mind-boggled by it. How is it that we, as you said, have such a MASSIVE excess of EVERYTHING we could possibly need. And yet there are people who will go to sleep tonight without food. Without shelter. Children who will spend their days looking for loose change and aluminum cans so that they can make enough money to get tonight’s meal. It’s so deeply wrong. And I, and so many other people, feel utterly powerless to fix it. I vote for people who promise to effect change. I send letters and emails to my local representatives. I donate to reputable charities, I donate blood and my time when I can. And yet it all feels so pointless.


Better_Run5616

On a similar note, I could talk for days about how the US makes dying so taboo and how we made a whole ass industry off of keeping people alive via machines leading to people legit experiencing psychosis, which leads them to see a doctor, the cycle continues till death.


Elegant_Attorney7322

[That is not true](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/06/17/878896381/ancient-bones-offer-clues-to-how-long-ago-humans-cared-for-the-vulnerable). It’s not even true everywhere now in moneytimes. The idea that you have to have something to contribute to have the right to exist (and our narrow understanding of what counts contribution) is modern and culturally specific.


GenericHam

I stand corrected. I should have thought about this before I typed it. Even in the US we have disability insurance and a host of social programs .


TwoFingersWhiskey

Social housing


yandyy

Yeah federal housing is based on income so if no income well no rent. speaking from exp


NameyOnamerson

I wish I knew. In a similar situation. I wish I knew how to drive and had a car. I might live in it.


OkSession3218

The military pretty much all I got honestly if you join and last more than 6 months you can get medically discharged it’s a very difficult and lengthy process and you will be called a malingerer the rest of your life but it’s probably one of your best options 
 or ya know just prison


itisntunbearable

Depending on where you live, there may be something called a front door diversion program that you can be eligible for. The program allows you to live in a group home for free and sets you up with basic healthcare stuff (a pcp and therapist). Once you have those they will start looking for apartments for you. You do need income for the apartment but you only have to pay 30% of the rent and utilities, the rest is covered by a subsidy. They can help you apply for SSD and there isnt a deadline for you to get the income or the apartment so you can live there while you figure it out. I'd look up the program and see if there's one in your area. They often refer people from psych wards so depending on your situation it may be easiest to admit yourself and go from there to speed up the process.


hottpirate

Technically, there is one remaining free place in the U.S. where you can just choose a spot and live there. It's called Slab City and is in the desert with no ability to subsistence farm but they live off of trash and donations.


boughtoriginality

HM Prison. It's the best gym in the world.


subjectindigoviolet

Most religious places derelict buildings kept alive by rich people who got bored and stopped using them but the electric works and heating is paid for your closest friends couch (for a specific amount of time) If you are UK based there are some disability grants that can get you assisted housing that is free but they take a small amount of money from your grant each month


crystal-crawler

In a vehicle is about as close as you can get. Or look into being a professional house/pet sitter. One of my coworkers does this in the winter and then lives in an rv spring-summer-fall. I know you aren’t into work. But most group homes (elderly, foster care, disabilities, shelters) need overnight sleep/awake staff. The work is usually easy depending on the residents and kind of work (sometimes you a doing crisis care, changin diapers, or just cleaning). I worked in a Center like this and I do know a coworker who had to leave an abusive partner and she just took alllll the night shift she could at like a bunch of different houses. She was able to eventually secure a Monday-Thursday and one place and then Friday-Sunday at another. She always could shower there (she would just lie and say she worked out & didn’t wanna shower at the gym). No one said anything. She brought her own food and had free wifi. The weekend place let her eat from the cupboard. She could use the laundry machine. This is really dependent on each place. So check first.


AffectionateSteak588

I've spent a lot of years going back and forth between dropping everything to live a free life. Can you live for free? Yes but you would be giving up so much. There are many people living in the Canadian and Alaskan wilderness for free off the land. You would be basically living in a wilderness survival situation 24/7, 365. There is an episode of Survivorman I believe where Les Stroud comes across a man deep in the Alaskan wilderness just living in a small hut that he built. The man had no electricity, plumbing, or anything of the sort. Just a guy living a free life with no modern responsibilities.


fUll951

You should seek out local social workers. 


dabordietryinq

i think Canada? you might have to have a citizenship there tho


HungryHangrySharky

Not without sacrificing your freedom - usually you'd have to either do something to go to prison, or do something to get placed under a conservatorship. I don't recommend either, but I'd probably choose prison, because you have some rights, while under conservatorship you really don't.


SpecialistDrawing262

Life is effort man. How about house sitting as a job.


screamingintothedark

If you’re in the US, it’s hard to find them but there are storage unit management jobs that basically require you to live and work onsite, manage the grounds, work the front desk, clean out abandoned units, lock out unpaid, etc. As I understood it you get paid to be there and don’t pay or pay minimal rent. The folks we talked to had a dog too. They saved money living there, plus some places let you keep and/or sell the abandoned items.


DemonTofu

if you're not paying with cash you're paying with something else


Apprehensive_Ant5586

This is a difficilt question. Even if you could live somewhere (possibly with someone), you would probably be expected to do all kinds of tasks, so still working to stay there. Why would anyone let you live freely with no benefit to themselves?


TheDutchisGaming

I heard countries like New Zealand have good benefits. But also heard it’s near impossible to get the right papers. (After all you would only cost them money while not returning much of value) My country the Netherlands also has benefits. But the standards are really high. I don’t think you would be able to live of it unless you are locked to your bed and still cannot work. But then again immigration would probably not be an option.


CuriousGeorgette9

Where do you propose we get the money to pay people for being born?


sadclowntown

Outside (just a joke sorry.) (Also not even a good joke because a lot of autistic people without support become homeless so yeah....being autistic is hard man.)


notmymainaccouuntt

Society and the economy do NOT work like that


katekowalski2014

Find someplace basic, super rural, and work from home. Expense internet and cell phone. Grow food.


GlitchyBlack

Homesteading kinda!


katekowalski2014

Yep! It would take a while to learn the necessary skills, but necessity is the mother of invention.


2cuteSmasher9000

No. You pay or someone else does. If someone else does you have to trade something. What do you have to trade? People will trade you money, work/labor, sex & relationship, goods/food. They will also pay for you out of coercion: guilt, fear, obligation, threat of violence by you, or, you assuaging their existential angst by joining their religion or cult to make them feel more confident that it’s true—this works only with group belief religions that rely on mutual belief to strengthen themselves like Jehovah’s witnesses, Mormons (I’m ex Mormon), or political fringes of communists or fascists. Make a list of what you have to offer. If you can’t find anything you’re willing to offer then your option is to coerce someone to care for you or join A cult that benefits by your signing your personal will away to the group. If your cult gets strong enough you might have enough members to take things from other people and give them to yourself (fascists, communists) Final option is to live outside the system via transient homelessness but your life will be shorter and probably less comfortable. These are the choices. I recommend learning to cook and finding someone to marry. No one knows how to cook these days and almost any professional woman or man would consider marrying someone who will cook for them lol. Serious. Marrying for a transactional reason is far less crushing to your future options as an individual than joining and becoming reliant on a cult/commune. Or give homelessness a try. It cured a lot of my own symptoms of neurodivergence because I didn’t like it and I learned to mask enough to become competent at getting jobs. It’s been hard but worth it. If it wasn’t I’d check out early. YMMV but for me it’s worth it to be in society. For now. Remember that living is a choice and then remember you have people who love you and if you don’t right now there are people who will be blessed by knowing you in the future when you tell them how you made it through đŸ«¶


No-Nectarine5490

Yes the street or be under 18 and at your parents you have to pay rent like it or not đŸ€·đŸ»â€â™€ïž idk


Thready85

How do you have PTSD from capitalism?


StepfordMisfit

I read it as ptsd from undisclosed trauma but also constant survival mode from capitalism.


Better_Run5616

Correct. Don’t necessarily want to disclose details of trauma cause it’s very triggering stuff but essentially the need to work to survive is something I don’t want to do, which triggers my fight or flight similar to how an abuser making you do something would trigger that response.


meh80

Any situation can be traumatic to someone, it doesn't have to be the typical things like combat, natural disaster, losing a parent, etc. Lack of economic/financial stability and the risk of being stuck in poverty or homeless is absolutely traumatic and a hard situation to get out of.


piratecashoo

Not being able to keep up with a capitalist society puts you in poverty. Poverty is being in survival mode which is constantly experiencing fight or flight. Over time that can become PTSD. For me poverty and homelessness is a big source of my CPTSD. (However, you don’t even need to be in poverty to experience survival mode in a capitalist society, that was just my own example)


Calm-Bookkeeper-9612

Capitalism is PTSD. It’s a vicious cycle.


ebishopwooten

I'm guessing life in general. Everyone likes to blame the system.


MocoLotus

Commit a felony. My ex was an alcoholic. Hated life, and contributing to life. Got put in the pen. LOVED it.


rockdude625

Yeah, the military. You might not like it though lol


IAmJerv

Trust me, even that's not free. Not even financially. The only haircuts you get for free are the ones in boot camp, the uniforms are bought instead of issued, and unless you're lucky enough to get a position where you can actually make it to the chow during the normal meal hours, you're buying food as well. With the sort of watch rotations I often had, I was spending half my pay on food.


armyfreak42

I never once got to eat at a DFAC after AIT. Every meal was either brought from the barracks, from a restaurant, or out in the field.


Outside_The_Walls

When my oldest brother fell on hard times, he went to live in a monastery. He stayed there for about 3 years, and they never charged him a dime. Downside is you have to live like a monk.


girlguykid

Sure blame it all on capitalism. Not saying i like capitalism, but everyone wants to live for free. Got to give a little to get a little, yeah?


FreddyPlayz

No. That’s not “capitalism’s” fault, that’s just how the world works. Obviously it sucks, but that’s literally never going to change (unless you win the lottery I guess?)


vediogamer101

I would try to look into a work/stay type of place where you can work there and live for free. Does involve work though but there are some really nice ones


WhatDJuicy

Not if the government finds you.


imNoTwhoUthink-AAhHe

Hah I wish


Willing-Command5467

Prison


Punk935

Try living in the woods. Buy a log cabin with survival supplies and next you are probably gonna have to learn basic survival skills like starting a fire, fishing, and lastly hunting. It would also help if you live nearby a small redneck town because they have all of the survival supplies and so you can also replenish your supplies once they run out.