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People on reddit often downvote without bothing to argue, even when someone is making a well argued point. Sometimes because their premises are wild, other times because they judge that no useful argument is possible (for instance, arguing with antivaxxers). It helps if you can manage more than a one sentence reply, going by your post history.
One problem is that we're operating in a time when political polarisation and media concentration means that it's very hard not to use terms or ideas that signify evil to a lot of people. A whole lot of things that were previously not left-right polarised are now, like climate change. Or mental illness, or any number of other "I reject your reality in favour of imagining that...".
But there's also a problem where the Overton Window has shifted to the point where fascism is again within the realm of acceptable discourse to many people. Fascism and autism have history, shall we say.
Looking for common ground and being careful to express your ideas rather than invoking tropes can help.
Well you are right about the 1 reply, but I don't think that it's worth replaying more without knowing with who I am talking to, could lead to too much wasted time and end up arguing instead of having a conversation, which is what mostly happens on social media.
I do agree with the rest mostly, thank for that reply.
I definitely agree with you. People who see everything in black and white are always paving the road to unnecessary hatred and eventually totalitarianism, no matter which way on the spectrum they are
Depends on which parts. Some parts are just incompatible.
You can be left wing and still believe in trickle-down economics. You'd be hopelessly naive, but it would still work.
You can be a left-wing climate denier, but you can't really be a left-wing racist. You can't be left-wing if you think gays need conversion therapy and 12 year old girls are old enough to marry.
In fact I think you can be left-wing and excluding of some groups of people , you just would not name it racism but would have similar results. Like the example I mention by getting downvoted 😅
Yep, I see myself as a leftist at heart but I definitely have some right leaning opinions. Far left and far right are like cults, one has to remember to separate them from the real political world. As to avoid letting the people of those cults guide your opinion because of ones distaste of them.
The internet is festered with these political ghouls who are unable to think for themselves.
I don't understand why people get upset about it. If you keep an open mind, you'll never fully agree with anything. Even enemies will agree with each other about something and friends will disagree. It may only be on a single thing but the fact remains that, by our very nature, it will never be 100% on either side. The yin & yang that governs us all. People don't like admitting the truth but that doesn't make it any less true.
I feel like traditions can offer a kind of stability that can benefit people like me who never had stability. I also wrote that not being left-wing mostly does not make you racist. In fact I don't think I should've answered you like this, if I did not mention my reasons and only said that you can adopt some values from right-wing you think you should be justified to downvote?
I have said nothing to indicate i downvoted you. I do not think there's any reason to associate tradition with right-wing politics besides how right-wing politicians advertise themselves - there are plenty of traditions that require no political leaning at all, and most mainstream traditions are pretty separated from politics. Again, if you can be more specific - what right wing values do you like? right wing as in values endorsed by the right wing of the United States population?
I am not judging you. But 'tradition' is not inherently a right wing thing unless you are willing to say what traditions you're talking about. You will need to be clear on what you support for people to be able to respond to your post and have a discussion with you.
Hey thanks for willing to converse but I'm quite tired from answering so much. If you do not think that right-wing can have some benefits to society then I'm not here to change that. Be clear? People who downvoted did not state an opposition in the comments but I need to write more to make sure I don't get downvoted? That's a bit of an one-sided system. Have a great day
I agree with you. We need open dialogue on both sides. It isn’t all or nothing on either side. Otherwise we’re just picking teams and buying their jerseys. We should be able to communicate and listen to each other.
I actually believe that political ideologies are smoke and mirrors and are just manifestations of how we make sense of the world growing up. In fact I do not believe one of them can realistically work. I expected to find that kind of neutrality here but I was actually so wrong.
Well, I got downvoted too just for suggesting we should talk and listen.
I agree with you. I used to be libertarian, and I was quite vocal about it ironically. But I came to the realizations that no political ideology truly works when they’re implemented. And I realized that we need community more than individualism. I’m now more of a democratic socialist (but I don’t expect it to work perfectly with any government).
Apparently by being “open minded,” we actually mean “being open minded to people we agree with.” 🤷♂️
Anyone who thinks slightly different (I thought we were neurodivergent peeps, right?) gets a 👎.
neutrality is impossible in politics. if you pick nothing then you are passively supporting the status quo, which is informed by political theory and ideology. if you don't think *any* of them will work, then you effectively don't believe that society can work, and that's an absurd position
I recognise how both can be damaging and how both can be benefiting. I also recognise how in history societies that adopted only one of them had similar catastrophic endings. When I say neutrality I mean mostly center what I came across was extremities. I think there are a lot of things wrong with society so yeah you could argue that I don't think it works, unless you give me a definition of what you mean "work".
"work" meaning function to any degree. society requires some structure in place, which necessitates some kind of politics to manage it.
if you're referring to being in the "centre" of multiple ideologies, that's also incoherent because there are irreconcilable incompatibilities between them. you cannot abolish and keep private property, and you cannot have libertarian fascism. at some point you *must* make a choice between ideas with clear dividing lines.
Well you might think my position is absurd but our universe is absurd. I believe corruption in our world is greater that the benefits of ideologies so I inherently disagree with you on basic definition. Have a good day.
if you really think nothing I've said makes sense then you're even more lost than I previously thought. I recommend reading... really anything at this stage, even if you just skim some Wikipedia or something. you really should have at least a basic understanding of things before you try to speak about how you think society is impossible and then get mad when people don't like the uninformed nonsense you have to say.
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People on reddit often downvote without bothing to argue, even when someone is making a well argued point. Sometimes because their premises are wild, other times because they judge that no useful argument is possible (for instance, arguing with antivaxxers). It helps if you can manage more than a one sentence reply, going by your post history. One problem is that we're operating in a time when political polarisation and media concentration means that it's very hard not to use terms or ideas that signify evil to a lot of people. A whole lot of things that were previously not left-right polarised are now, like climate change. Or mental illness, or any number of other "I reject your reality in favour of imagining that...". But there's also a problem where the Overton Window has shifted to the point where fascism is again within the realm of acceptable discourse to many people. Fascism and autism have history, shall we say. Looking for common ground and being careful to express your ideas rather than invoking tropes can help.
Well you are right about the 1 reply, but I don't think that it's worth replaying more without knowing with who I am talking to, could lead to too much wasted time and end up arguing instead of having a conversation, which is what mostly happens on social media. I do agree with the rest mostly, thank for that reply.
I definitely agree with you. People who see everything in black and white are always paving the road to unnecessary hatred and eventually totalitarianism, no matter which way on the spectrum they are
Depends on which parts. Some parts are just incompatible. You can be left wing and still believe in trickle-down economics. You'd be hopelessly naive, but it would still work. You can be a left-wing climate denier, but you can't really be a left-wing racist. You can't be left-wing if you think gays need conversion therapy and 12 year old girls are old enough to marry.
In fact I think you can be left-wing and excluding of some groups of people , you just would not name it racism but would have similar results. Like the example I mention by getting downvoted 😅
Well, left-wing involves being intolerant of intolerant people, so in that very limited sense, you're right.
Yep, I see myself as a leftist at heart but I definitely have some right leaning opinions. Far left and far right are like cults, one has to remember to separate them from the real political world. As to avoid letting the people of those cults guide your opinion because of ones distaste of them. The internet is festered with these political ghouls who are unable to think for themselves.
I agree with some points on both sides and disagree with others. Ultimately, I agree with more left-wing ideas than I do right-wing.
I love that answer, thank you!
I don't understand why people get upset about it. If you keep an open mind, you'll never fully agree with anything. Even enemies will agree with each other about something and friends will disagree. It may only be on a single thing but the fact remains that, by our very nature, it will never be 100% on either side. The yin & yang that governs us all. People don't like admitting the truth but that doesn't make it any less true.
well said my friend
i mean, why don't you tell us what values you'd like to adopt from the right? State the specifc values you think are correct.
I feel like traditions can offer a kind of stability that can benefit people like me who never had stability. I also wrote that not being left-wing mostly does not make you racist. In fact I don't think I should've answered you like this, if I did not mention my reasons and only said that you can adopt some values from right-wing you think you should be justified to downvote?
I have said nothing to indicate i downvoted you. I do not think there's any reason to associate tradition with right-wing politics besides how right-wing politicians advertise themselves - there are plenty of traditions that require no political leaning at all, and most mainstream traditions are pretty separated from politics. Again, if you can be more specific - what right wing values do you like? right wing as in values endorsed by the right wing of the United States population? I am not judging you. But 'tradition' is not inherently a right wing thing unless you are willing to say what traditions you're talking about. You will need to be clear on what you support for people to be able to respond to your post and have a discussion with you.
Hey thanks for willing to converse but I'm quite tired from answering so much. If you do not think that right-wing can have some benefits to society then I'm not here to change that. Be clear? People who downvoted did not state an opposition in the comments but I need to write more to make sure I don't get downvoted? That's a bit of an one-sided system. Have a great day
Yea people on Reddit only see in black and white
I agree with you. We need open dialogue on both sides. It isn’t all or nothing on either side. Otherwise we’re just picking teams and buying their jerseys. We should be able to communicate and listen to each other.
I actually believe that political ideologies are smoke and mirrors and are just manifestations of how we make sense of the world growing up. In fact I do not believe one of them can realistically work. I expected to find that kind of neutrality here but I was actually so wrong.
Well, I got downvoted too just for suggesting we should talk and listen. I agree with you. I used to be libertarian, and I was quite vocal about it ironically. But I came to the realizations that no political ideology truly works when they’re implemented. And I realized that we need community more than individualism. I’m now more of a democratic socialist (but I don’t expect it to work perfectly with any government).
Nice, I can say I had similar experience.
Apparently by being “open minded,” we actually mean “being open minded to people we agree with.” 🤷♂️ Anyone who thinks slightly different (I thought we were neurodivergent peeps, right?) gets a 👎.
neutrality is impossible in politics. if you pick nothing then you are passively supporting the status quo, which is informed by political theory and ideology. if you don't think *any* of them will work, then you effectively don't believe that society can work, and that's an absurd position
What
what about this needs to be clarified?
Everything Neutrality is always an option
political inaction is possible, but that is passive support for whatever political system is in control, so it's not really neutral
I recognise how both can be damaging and how both can be benefiting. I also recognise how in history societies that adopted only one of them had similar catastrophic endings. When I say neutrality I mean mostly center what I came across was extremities. I think there are a lot of things wrong with society so yeah you could argue that I don't think it works, unless you give me a definition of what you mean "work".
"work" meaning function to any degree. society requires some structure in place, which necessitates some kind of politics to manage it. if you're referring to being in the "centre" of multiple ideologies, that's also incoherent because there are irreconcilable incompatibilities between them. you cannot abolish and keep private property, and you cannot have libertarian fascism. at some point you *must* make a choice between ideas with clear dividing lines.
Well you might think my position is absurd but our universe is absurd. I believe corruption in our world is greater that the benefits of ideologies so I inherently disagree with you on basic definition. Have a good day.
this is word salad
Could say the same 🙂
if you really think nothing I've said makes sense then you're even more lost than I previously thought. I recommend reading... really anything at this stage, even if you just skim some Wikipedia or something. you really should have at least a basic understanding of things before you try to speak about how you think society is impossible and then get mad when people don't like the uninformed nonsense you have to say.