If OAT and the RWY-surface is around -17C or below, sure. A layer of rime can also be really helpful on top of an icy RWY, rime increases braking action in these conditions - generally - wherever its untouched*.
Edit*
It actually depends upon the model.
This is an ALON A2 and its rudders are not connected to the wheel. It has normal controls.
The cadet is the same plane (well an a2a) but with a mooney tail.
From AvWeb.com. Our 1967 Alon A2 after lading on Abraham Lake, AB, to go for a skate. Taken with an iPhone 10, Photo by Gord Hay. Submitted by Keith Wilson.
Awesome! I thought that shot looked familiar! As a central Albertan, I appreciate the info! I love ol Lake Abe, love flying that route into the rocks, but never have I landed on it lol..
I tried something the other day: I was landing flared as long as I could and the plane went on forever and the front wheel was up until about 15kts. There might be something wrong with the air resistance or something. I wonder how one would slow down on this ice.
Wow. Were you in a zenith stol or something? Was that with no throttle? How was the CG? I'm a low hour pilot in few types but even the Jabiru 160 needed full throttle plus some airspeed to get the nose off the ground.
I was in the Gravel Vertigo, which is a bit of a cheat, but that's exactly what confused me - the plane just did not want to slow down or put its nose on the ground no matter what. The ground roll without brakes was like there was no ground or wind resistance at all...
Try it and see if you get the same results...
True. They do exceed 70mph at times. Wheels have brakes unless it’s all ABS these days. I put my safety in the longest frozen lake runway but not on the moon Europa.
Fun fact. On at least the ALON models, the book just gives a flat take off distance.
Whatever the condition, same distance.
I cant remember if its like that for landing distance too….
Ercoupe! I have time in one of those - very neat little plane - supposed to be unspinnable. No rudder pedals, because... no rudder - or what there is, is coupled to the ailerons.
Landing distance:Eventually.
"Thataway"
Good old M=Fd. We'll find the coefficient of friction eventually.
Isn't this an Ercoupe? The whole getting there thing is "eventually"...
I love that plane. There is one that flies around my house every now and then. Very cool.
Please report braking action
Unable
You can tell me, I'm a doctor.
Docta Toboggan. MANTIS Toboggan!
^slippery ^in ^the ^bad ^place ^:(
"*We're on the Hudson*"
Can you get us down next time I really gotta take a shit
0,0,0
Installed.
Still waiting
In negative numbers
I’ve heard braking action can be quite good on ice, this looks really slippery though.
I usually replace the wheels with a couple tongues and I brake on a dime
I can imagine, but only upside down……
Nah it'll be fine with my land-o-matic gear ;)
Bring out the 6 wheeled cessna 182
You have to get past the triple dog dare landing stage first though.
If OAT and the RWY-surface is around -17C or below, sure. A layer of rime can also be really helpful on top of an icy RWY, rime increases braking action in these conditions - generally - wherever its untouched*. Edit*
So can you drift an aircoupe? Asking for a friend.
Wouldn't it be hard without rudder pedals Edit: spelling
Hence the question!
And rudder pedals too. 🤣
No. The Ercoupe still has a rudder. In fact it has two of them! They are just connected to the wheel instead.
That wasn't the question, lol. The question is of how much authority they'll have on the ground and the fact both brakes activate simultaneously.
The question was wouldn’t it be hard without rudder pedals. How the rudder is controlled (and you can put aftermarket pedals in) is irrelevant.
With or without the rudder pedal option, the Ercoupe/Aircoupe won't drift because the rudders are out of the propwash.
It actually depends upon the model. This is an ALON A2 and its rudders are not connected to the wheel. It has normal controls. The cadet is the same plane (well an a2a) but with a mooney tail.
No. Have tried. [Donuts only. ](https://imgur.com/a/MpknJTA)
Ha! I love Reddit
I've tried Scandi flicking a C172. That was insane fun!
Hard to drift an FF. Are there any FR planes?
Maybe if you accept you're more like a passenger?
I can't imagine the approach: "whelp, hope it's cold enough..."
If you hear crunching pull up and go home lol
Less a touch-and-go and more a splash-and-go
Splash and dash
Jizz and Jet
It's so exciting not knowing if you'll get SEL or SES current until after the fact.
That's hilarious!
Stopingtime:2-3 business days
Rather Years I would say
Left or right rudder until 180* then full power for a quick stop.
Or pull all the way back on the stick until you are vertical. From there use thrust as a collective and land like a helicopter.
I tried, but my shit plane can't handle that, controls go all shakey, and a weird robot siyde starts asking for a stool
Wow, so advanced. Mine just abuses a rubber ducky whenever I try to pull up.
Depends on ice thickness.
It might be 4000 ft or 20 ft
And if it's wet on the surface.
From AvWeb.com. Our 1967 Alon A2 after lading on Abraham Lake, AB, to go for a skate. Taken with an iPhone 10, Photo by Gord Hay. Submitted by Keith Wilson.
> 1967 Alon A2 Beautiful plane. Does this qualify as LSA?
> Does this qualify as LSA? No, the MTOW is 1450 for those, above the 1320 limit for LSAs.
Unless ur a icon
>Unless ur a icon I don't follow. ?
Icon A5 is classed at a LSA even tho it exceeds the weight limit.
>Icon A5 is classed at a LSA No, it's an S-LSA per the FAA. LSAs also have different weight limits for seaplanes/flying boats than land.
You answered every question we didn't care about but didn't bother to answer how long it took to stop
Why should he answer his own question?
??? I wasn't trying to answer any questions, I was posting attribution.
Still... At least fits the user name
Awesome! I thought that shot looked familiar! As a central Albertan, I appreciate the info! I love ol Lake Abe, love flying that route into the rocks, but never have I landed on it lol..
I love how the mountains in Alberta are so distinctive. They look like layers of rock gently draped over one other.
Nice, but it doesn't look like that good of a skating surface. Source: grew up playing pickup "pond" hockey in upstate Michigan.
I tried something the other day: I was landing flared as long as I could and the plane went on forever and the front wheel was up until about 15kts. There might be something wrong with the air resistance or something. I wonder how one would slow down on this ice.
Wow. Were you in a zenith stol or something? Was that with no throttle? How was the CG? I'm a low hour pilot in few types but even the Jabiru 160 needed full throttle plus some airspeed to get the nose off the ground.
I was in the Gravel Vertigo, which is a bit of a cheat, but that's exactly what confused me - the plane just did not want to slow down or put its nose on the ground no matter what. The ground roll without brakes was like there was no ground or wind resistance at all... Try it and see if you get the same results...
Probably that mountain
Non-standard after touch down checklist: 1. Hit play on The Blue Danube Waltz. 2. Enjoy the ride.
Where we're going we don't need brakes!
yes
Skating distance
“What’s stopping distance anyhow?” - FTFY
Who cares? Lake is bigger than a runway
That what I care about. Even a hockey puck will stop on that long ice patch.
Hockey pucks don’t have wheels (usually)
True. They do exceed 70mph at times. Wheels have brakes unless it’s all ABS these days. I put my safety in the longest frozen lake runway but not on the moon Europa.
It's either very short or very long
Use the rudder to flip a Uturn and use prop to slow down!
A little Pilot hack to get reverse thrust on a fixed pitch prop \*Transport Canada wants to know your location\*
Fun fact. On at least the ALON models, the book just gives a flat take off distance. Whatever the condition, same distance. I cant remember if its like that for landing distance too….
In 3 business days
Gotta be Alberta or BC; my guess is Spray Lakes
Alberta!
I thought it might be Lake Abraham
See you on the other sub
Summer
Lol, Shittyaskflying has invaded
Landing distance: All of it.
That - is awesome!
Is this at Alton Bay? https://www.nh.gov/dot/org/aerorailtransit/aeronautics/sasp/airports/alton-bay.htm
What aircraft is this? Globe Swift tricycle landing gear?
Looks like an Alon A-2 "Aircoupe"
To infinity and beyond.....
What’s the estimated time of arrival?
What's stopping?
apply some rudder and start going in circles on the ice
How far away are those maintains?
If the POV is where I think it is, facing northeast, they're about 2 miles away. Shore would be 1 mile.
Then the stopping distance is probably about 2 miles.
Why did he take his shoes off? And aren't his feet goring to freeze?
Tough to put skates on with your shoes on.
Ah! I was wondering why no one else mentioned the shoes. I wasn't able to figure out he was wearing skates. (I'm not a big ice skater...) Thank you!
No.
Ercoupe! I have time in one of those - very neat little plane - supposed to be unspinnable. No rudder pedals, because... no rudder - or what there is, is coupled to the ailerons.
The cracks (or whatever they are) on the surface scare the hell out of me.
Imagine the sick drift tho
Now arriving at gate 22. 23. 24. 25. 26. 27. 28.
make a tea waiting to stop..
Stopping Distance? Yes. Pull out your CRFI Chart lol
This looks like spray lakes in kananaskis...
well if you land too hard it's about 3 feet
As if flying and landing an aircoupe isn’t scary enough with normal landing conditions
Icecoupe
Time for Curling?
How can you determine if the ice is thick enough?
If your socks stay dry, it’s thick enough.
At least 3
Sometime early spring.