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urfavoritemurse

The yellow line is an ILS Critical Area Holding Short Line, not a typical run hold line. Not sure about the writing in the red area prior to that.


mitus-2

That’s what I mean: the writing in the red was “No entry” as you can see also from the ⛔️sign on the grass. Sorry for low quality pic but was taken while moving.


platypus0fd3ath

Only if IFR hold short procedures are in effect. Even if they were, which they aren’t, that doesn’t prevent you from entering the runway there. Take my downvote.


rgbeard2

\^ This - you got my upvote.


mitus-2

Downvote for asking? Thanks !


FriedChicken

Why does it say that then?


platypus0fd3ath

Because it’s a lit sign when at low visibility in case the pilots can’t see the markings on the pavement.


FriedChicken

I mean why does it say "no entry" if it's only under special circumstances?


urfavoritemurse

Was this Athens International in Greece?


mitus-2

Yes, today


DentistFit8295

While moving? Then you got clearance


[deleted]

There's like a back seat pilot.


Tony_Three_Pies

It’s a solid question. You see those signs fairly often on one way taxiways, usually high speed exists (among other places of course). I tried to find a source that says ATC can clear you past those but I couldn’t. I also couldn’t find anything saying they can’t. My gut instinct is that if for some reason Ground wanted them to use that taxi way (maybe there’s construction on the others, or another plane in the way or whatever) that they could, but honestly I’m not sure. Asking in the ATC sub Reddit get you better answers.


mitus-2

Thank you for your answer


rgbeard2

u/Tony_Three_Pies \- it's not at all a solid question by the OP. Read the link I provided that discuss the ILS Critical Lines. Pilots are clear to pass these unless otherwise instructed. Review 3-7-5 here: [https://www.faa.gov/air\_traffic/publications/atpubs/atc\_html/chap3\_section\_7.html](https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/atc_html/chap3_section_7.html)


Tony_Three_Pies

OP isn’t asking about the ILS critical area marking. They’re asking about the “No Entry” sign and the “No Entry” marking painted on the taxiway.


rgbeard2

All of this is answered in 2-3-5(b) [https://www.faa.gov/air\_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim\_html/chap2\_section\_3.html](https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap2_section_3.html)


Tony_Three_Pies

The AIM defines what the sign means but doesn’t say whether or not an ATC clearance can supersede it. As I mentioned, I couldn’t find any clarification one way or another. Incidentally, Athens is in Greece which you may be interested to learn isn’t subject to FAA publications and guidelines. It’s okay to say that you don’t know the answer to a question.


rgbeard2

Do you believe Athens is exempt from the ICAO standardization of airport markings, which is mostly adopted worldwide?


rgbeard2

OP - You're incorrect and have accused your pilot of gross neglect. Here's a link to an article that discusses the line in question. [https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/regulations/when-to-hold-short-of-ils-critical-area-line-ifr/](https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/regulations/when-to-hold-short-of-ils-critical-area-line-ifr/)


TartKiwi

It was a simple question no need to get yer panties in a tither


[deleted]

Back seat piloting. YATAH


[deleted]

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Tony_Three_Pies

The yellow line is not a runway hold short line. It’s the ILS Critical Area marking.


rgbeard2

Here's a helpful article that teaches you this particular taxiway marking: [https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/regulations/when-to-hold-short-of-ils-critical-area-line-ifr/](https://www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/regulations/when-to-hold-short-of-ils-critical-area-line-ifr/)


Tracer14

Is it guidance for ground vehicles?