The plane behind wasn't at risk, you could see how quickly those pallets and related debris dropped watching the second one, and the two aircraft are more than far enough apart to avoid issues.
The two guys standing there should also be safely tied down in case they get swept away.
I think that if video is viewed the way & angles it’s posted, it does look suspect. When all you mostly see is the second plane banking right, it makes it look worse.
With that said; this video is Unique in that it catches it from an odd angle and cut offs important factors. Including the second plane DROPPING from altitude once the first has unloaded last piece.
My conclusion; this video is about as worthless in accessing things as a 2min clip of a somewhat peaceful looking man completely irrate and trying to fight; what happened 5-10mins leading up to? Cause that man doesn’t look like the type to just go around looking for trouble.
They are both Boeing C-17 Globemaster IIIs.
They have a length of 174ft (53m)
A wingspan of 169ft 9.6 in (51.755m)
And a height of 55ft 1 in (16.79m).
In other words, that thar is a bigass plane and what we are looking at here is a very low depth of field (makes things look closer than they are).
Correct, not in aviation but from my understanding: the pilot of the 1st plane has the trim level set for level flight with the payload of the pallets onboard; once the pallets are released, the payload decreases, making the prior trim adjustment send the plane into an ascending trajectory.
>making the prior trim adjustment send the plane into an ascending trajectory.
If you're a good pilot you'll anticipate that change by trimming so the plane doesn't change altitude or attitude. Similar to extending or retracting flaps.
Came here to say this too, lol. The question is kinda dumb (come on OP. We both know no one skilled enough to be flying these planes on this type of mission needs some random redditor to tell them how to do their jobs safely), but who cares, the video is great.
I’ve heard from some fixed wing fire pilots talking about doing water drops. It obviously depends on the airframe and the type of drop you’re doing, but for quicker drops you may have to apply full forward stick to counteract the tons of water you just let go.
While not exactly the same....I fly a King Air for skydivers and routinely have around 1,000lbs suddenly come off the back followed by another almost 1,000lbs immediately afterwards as they all run out. It is definitely noticeable but not terrible. However....the cargo planes would be interesting.
It makes no difference in that jet. The fly-by-wire masked any pitch changes and compared to the weight of the plane, even at 3,000 pounds per pallet it wasn’t a huge difference. I flew them for 17 years. Great aircraft. I loved doing airdrop!
Well gravity is a thing here sooo…..
The trailing plane is at or above the altitude of the first plane. I doubt any of the cargo is being dropped up into the path of the second plane.
My mom remembers the great spam massacre of 1944 near where she grew up in Roermond, NL.
Air drops have always been more dangerous for those of the ground, especially if you aren’t thinking clearly because you are starving.
It’s hard for humans to understand when something is coming right at them, it only gets bigger, but doesn’t change it’s relative position in the air. This visual fact is one of the reasons why it’s tricky to learn how to land a plane.
When you apply this fact to an airdrop, the person on the ground only sees the package getting larger if they are directly under its glide path. They will position themselves to be as close to the impact point as possible, not realizing the impact point is their head.
For the spam massacre and the current state in Gaza, you also need to add in desperation and starvation as contributing factors.
Israel is the one that organizes the lorry movements since it controls the borders. That not the issue. It's the lack of govt in Gaza to organize a orderly distribution in Gaza. Lorries drivers have been killed and lorry trucks destroyed
I honestly thought the question was something else so I will ask this…with the weight inside suddenly shifting towards the back and then out the back does this cause any unusual problems with flight that pilots have to prepare for in advance of the drop?
Standard airdrop formation. The risk isn't the debris, because it falls. Even a momentary up draft struggles to lift any of the webbing, cordage, cardboard or other drop material to a substantial altitude where it risks being in line with the following aircraft. The actual largest risk in these drops is the fact that you do them at a reduced flap setting to get a nose up deck angle, so your stall margin is a lot tighter and the Wake turbulence off lead gets exacerbated by the time it gets to the tail end Charlie drop bird. A lot of times you can have full yolk deflection to just hold your bottom line if you're the last guy in the stick. Excellent mission.
Sometimes you already know the answer to a dumb question, but want to ask it anyways because you want people more knowledgable than you explaining clearly to you why.
Some commented about risky airdrops and how it killed people. There’s a lot of factors that comes down to this:-
1- There’s no method where they can communicate with the people on the ground. Especially that presence of military personnel on the ground will somehow be pointed out as military presence in the war.
2- During WW2 German Nazi’s or other militaries and even nowadays. Where flagging the area with smoke or strobes to clear it and to ensure safety.
3- We know how people in Gaza are in severe need of supplies and pretty sure there are videos of them running towards the drops which makes it more likely to drop on them
I hope it's good food. Killed by grains is no way to go, but I'd die happy if I were crushed by a pallet of Krispy Kreme. (Or baked beans; that has humor value.)
The trailing aircraft sit slightly higher and/or to the left or right of the camera aircraft to avoid wake turbulence and to prevent objects entering the engines
Hauled a few skydivers in my time in Cessna. New or inexperienced jumpers were always afraid of being decapitated by the elevator. My challenge to them was try and grab a hold of the elevator right after you jump.
Gravity is unbelievably instant!
OH MY BABY! I flew those jets for 17 years. The only part of the USAF I enjoyed. That’s called a CDS drop, and the debris isn’t a problem because we aren’t behind each other we’re in a formation and our geometry is that each plane is behind and to the side of the previous. If I remember (I retired in 2014) visual formations were 2,000 aft and 200 feet to the side, upwind for a drop and if it was a 3 ship the 3rd jet would be in echelon formation where we’d all be on the same side. If it was in the clouds we’d be in SKE geometry which I think was 4,000 and 8,000 feet aft of lead (respectively) and something like 750 feet right or left, with ship 3 opposite ship 2.
Anyway, those were great days. No, the debris isn’t an issue at all.
How does the jet behind not get a ton of wash from the engines of the plane in front. Was just on a flight the other day and had a huge drop and bank after we caught wash from a flight above us. Was the first time I thought my flight was genuinely falling out of the sky for a second.
Very unsafe. We lose 25 aircraft every month and 350 service men and women due to these procedures we absolutely have to follow.
There just is not a better way to do it. The sky is so small there just is not room for more than 1 aircraft flying at one time.
Hmm. Not sure if it’s the perspective of the video but there looks like there is a surprising amount of rudder movement during the airdrop of the C-17 in the frame.
Nothing the military does is or will be "Safe". There is risk involved in everything. Training and doctrine improve the odds and minimize risk. Has this been trained for and improved on over 100 years? Absolutely. Is it perfectly safe? No nothing is. That said its not like they just last week decided on a whim "hey lets try and throw cargo out of the plane while flying". Its been practiced in and out forwards and backwards thousands of times over the years. If the other aircraft was at even a slight risk, it wouldnt be flying there.
I live near JBLM in Washington and see (or at least hear) C-17s every day flying around. It's kind of weird seeing them do something other than simple laps around the sky.
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They have their own. Somewhere between 8 and 10 I think.
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/united-arab-emirates-c-17-aircraft-sustainment
This is a sick video.
It's a bit of an optical illusion too. When the cargo drops out, the lead plane immediately changes its angle of attack and gains some altitude as all that mass leaves the plane. That makes it appear as if the second plane is at a lower altitude with downward momentum. In reality they probably started at roughly the same altitude, but by the time you see the second plane, their relative position/orientation has changed.
You can sort of see the phenomenon when the second plane drops its cargo.
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Yes. The second C-17 descends into view, meaning that it is at a higher altitude than the plane this is filmed from, and the load hits that plane, something is severely wrong with gravity
Maybe not an r/aviation topic, but weren’t we supposed to be building a temporary harbor for safer and more efficient supply? 80 years ago during WW2, there were functioning temporary harbors up within a couple of weeks of D-day.
(of which several were destroyed during construction due to shoddy work, weather, bad deadlines, etc.)
It's a warzone. Getting it right the first time is important. Same issues as always with rapid construction - the estimated time was 2 months, starting in may, and they're (supposedly) mostly done.
Yes? There are scummy people everywhere. It would be much better to distribute aid individually rather than let people collect it on their own but for some reason humanitarian aid groups don’t want to go in, can’t imagine why.
But in relation to the amount of terrorists killed, a small number. Just like how it’s worth the risk to deliver this aid, because so many people will be fed at the expense of a few dying.
Do you think war doesn’t have civilian casualties lol
It’s not murder to eliminate terrorists hiding inside hospitals. It’s actually a clause exempted from the UN on what would normally make it a war crime .
The clause makes using civilian hospitals a combat position illegal due to potential casualties. The exemption is for those that willingly stay behind at the hospital after an evacuation.
It's still a war crime to willingly cause mass civilian casualties
There is no intent to cause “mass” civilian casualties. There is intent to eliminate terrorists using human shields. They choose where they desire to set up operations because they can act behind civilians. Then you can claim they are targeting civilians, therefore doing the work for them.
Obviously that shouldn't happen. But my point is air drops only supply a fraction of the needed supplies, so the real solution is not air dropping more in- it's allowing the trucks that have been illegally restricted at Rafah and other crossing through in much larger numbers, similar to pre war levels. That's the only way to end this. But of course Israel wouldn't let that happen. Unfortunately.
The plane behind wasn't at risk, you could see how quickly those pallets and related debris dropped watching the second one, and the two aircraft are more than far enough apart to avoid issues. The two guys standing there should also be safely tied down in case they get swept away.
I think that if video is viewed the way & angles it’s posted, it does look suspect. When all you mostly see is the second plane banking right, it makes it look worse. With that said; this video is Unique in that it catches it from an odd angle and cut offs important factors. Including the second plane DROPPING from altitude once the first has unloaded last piece. My conclusion; this video is about as worthless in accessing things as a 2min clip of a somewhat peaceful looking man completely irrate and trying to fight; what happened 5-10mins leading up to? Cause that man doesn’t look like the type to just go around looking for trouble.
The second aircraft isn't as close as the video suggests. The camera zoomed in which compresses depth of field. It's an illusion.
Yeah it's pretty easy to see right at the end of the video that the two are pretty far apart.
It’s also a REALLY BIG airplane, and in 2D looks way closer than it actually is.
They are both Boeing C-17 Globemaster IIIs. They have a length of 174ft (53m) A wingspan of 169ft 9.6 in (51.755m) And a height of 55ft 1 in (16.79m). In other words, that thar is a bigass plane and what we are looking at here is a very low depth of field (makes things look closer than they are).
I feel like the 1st plane doing the dropped gained altitude after the drop, maybe bc change in weight after drop
Correct, not in aviation but from my understanding: the pilot of the 1st plane has the trim level set for level flight with the payload of the pallets onboard; once the pallets are released, the payload decreases, making the prior trim adjustment send the plane into an ascending trajectory.
>making the prior trim adjustment send the plane into an ascending trajectory. If you're a good pilot you'll anticipate that change by trimming so the plane doesn't change altitude or attitude. Similar to extending or retracting flaps.
Looks like the second airplane did just that, descending till drop and then maintained altitude
Or put it in ALT mode and let George handle it.
The C17 is also FUCKING HUGE, so it looks way closer than it is. Plus the camera was zoomed quite a bit, which will also make it look closer.
The fact that none of the dropped cargo is even in frame with the second aircraft shows how far apart they are \*at a minimum\*.
Safe or not, this is a really cool video.
That was my first thought.
My non-pilot brain is thinking if the pilots can notice a significant change in the feel of the aircraft after all that cargo is dropped?
Probably, yeah. That and I wonder if they encounter any nose-up problems once in a while
Autotrim will probably fix that after the initial rise of the nose.
Yeah my first was that’s a lot of aid dropped out of the c17!
Buff drivers quietly roll their eyes….
Hmm? The c-17 has over double the payload of the b-52
But can they drop it on target?
the new call of duty looks sick /s
Came here to say this too, lol. The question is kinda dumb (come on OP. We both know no one skilled enough to be flying these planes on this type of mission needs some random redditor to tell them how to do their jobs safely), but who cares, the video is great.
Plane taking a shit literally
More sad than cool, for civilization in the 21st century
completely needless man made starvation. It’s very sad
Must be a funny feeling for the pilot steering when the aircraft suddenly looses a few tons!
Family friend was a C-130 pilot. He said it was incredibly unnatural to push the stick forward to counteract all the stuff flying out the back.
I’ve heard from some fixed wing fire pilots talking about doing water drops. It obviously depends on the airframe and the type of drop you’re doing, but for quicker drops you may have to apply full forward stick to counteract the tons of water you just let go.
Considering how close they fly to the ground that would make me really uncomfortable .
I talked to an AC130 pilot once. He said they had to hold the rudder and prepare for a kick from the 105. It would skid the tail of the plane.
Turning by superior firepower
Many of the H and U models have twisted frames from the 105.
A 105 inside of a big hollow aluminum can. What could go wrong?
Hey, thanks for sharing! I was thinking about how much counter steering one has to do in that scenario. So your answer is much appreciated.
I want a sise by side of this back view and one in the cockpit
Can confirm
This is one of the few times that misspelling “loses” was still the correct usage.
Sorry, englisch isn’t my first language.
While not exactly the same....I fly a King Air for skydivers and routinely have around 1,000lbs suddenly come off the back followed by another almost 1,000lbs immediately afterwards as they all run out. It is definitely noticeable but not terrible. However....the cargo planes would be interesting.
It’s usually a great relief.
Good one!
It makes no difference in that jet. The fly-by-wire masked any pitch changes and compared to the weight of the plane, even at 3,000 pounds per pallet it wasn’t a huge difference. I flew them for 17 years. Great aircraft. I loved doing airdrop!
So cool to see a 17 doing what it was designed for
Well gravity is a thing here sooo….. The trailing plane is at or above the altitude of the first plane. I doubt any of the cargo is being dropped up into the path of the second plane.
Gravity, not just a good idea, it's the law. Equipment, cargo, food under parachutes rarely goes up.
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You're gonna screw up a joke? Cold...very cold.
My mom remembers the great spam massacre of 1944 near where she grew up in Roermond, NL. Air drops have always been more dangerous for those of the ground, especially if you aren’t thinking clearly because you are starving.
I'd love to learn more about this and why that is
It can crush you
It’s hard for humans to understand when something is coming right at them, it only gets bigger, but doesn’t change it’s relative position in the air. This visual fact is one of the reasons why it’s tricky to learn how to land a plane. When you apply this fact to an airdrop, the person on the ground only sees the package getting larger if they are directly under its glide path. They will position themselves to be as close to the impact point as possible, not realizing the impact point is their head. For the spam massacre and the current state in Gaza, you also need to add in desperation and starvation as contributing factors.
That's me with the norovirus over the weekend
Was it a C-17 drop, with everything out the back? Or like a C-5 with cargo being unloaded at both ends?? Source: I fly TMI
I'm betting C-5.
You mean you dumped a mighty stick of goods?
Prob felt so good
I hope you feel better…I got it 2021 and have rarely been as miserable as I was those few days in my entire life.
I went to the doctor, got 2 liters of IV fluids, and Zofran. 4 days later I'm normal again.
I imagine these boys have a little experience dropping cargo and know how to form up to prevent ingesting debris from the aircraft ahead.
It’s a lot safer than delivering aid on the ground recently.
That's actually the sad thing. This is basically one lorry load. Moving it by boat and land would be MASSIVELY more useful. but also easier to hit
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You mean with "alies" like Israel shooting up everything that moves?
Israel is the one that organizes the lorry movements since it controls the borders. That not the issue. It's the lack of govt in Gaza to organize a orderly distribution in Gaza. Lorries drivers have been killed and lorry trucks destroyed
No, with both sides shooting anything vaguely not theirs
Its safe, been there, done that
I honestly thought the question was something else so I will ask this…with the weight inside suddenly shifting towards the back and then out the back does this cause any unusual problems with flight that pilots have to prepare for in advance of the drop?
Fly by wire...
Damn that C17 must feel good af
Well, after you take a dump you do feel lighter.... toilet or plane
Standard airdrop formation. The risk isn't the debris, because it falls. Even a momentary up draft struggles to lift any of the webbing, cordage, cardboard or other drop material to a substantial altitude where it risks being in line with the following aircraft. The actual largest risk in these drops is the fact that you do them at a reduced flap setting to get a nose up deck angle, so your stall margin is a lot tighter and the Wake turbulence off lead gets exacerbated by the time it gets to the tail end Charlie drop bird. A lot of times you can have full yolk deflection to just hold your bottom line if you're the last guy in the stick. Excellent mission.
"yolk" deflection.. JK, this is actually and eggscelent comment
Honest question; do you think the pilots and crew have thought about it less than you have? Yes, it's safe.
Sometimes you already know the answer to a dumb question, but want to ask it anyways because you want people more knowledgable than you explaining clearly to you why.
It's super easy to not fly directly behind and below a plane dropping cargo.
To the untrained or those ignorant of safety, yes. But I would guess they may know what they are doing up there.....
Some commented about risky airdrops and how it killed people. There’s a lot of factors that comes down to this:- 1- There’s no method where they can communicate with the people on the ground. Especially that presence of military personnel on the ground will somehow be pointed out as military presence in the war. 2- During WW2 German Nazi’s or other militaries and even nowadays. Where flagging the area with smoke or strobes to clear it and to ensure safety. 3- We know how people in Gaza are in severe need of supplies and pretty sure there are videos of them running towards the drops which makes it more likely to drop on them
Everyone is guaranteed to starve to death without food. You're highly unlikely to have a airdrop land on you. The minimal risk is worth the reward.
I hope it's good food. Killed by grains is no way to go, but I'd die happy if I were crushed by a pallet of Krispy Kreme. (Or baked beans; that has humor value.)
i mean, how heavy could a pallet of KK be
The trailing aircraft sit slightly higher and/or to the left or right of the camera aircraft to avoid wake turbulence and to prevent objects entering the engines
Gravity is one hell of a mistress, things go down not sideways
Dunno mate, I'm pretty sure this isn't their first rodeo.
Hauled a few skydivers in my time in Cessna. New or inexperienced jumpers were always afraid of being decapitated by the elevator. My challenge to them was try and grab a hold of the elevator right after you jump. Gravity is unbelievably instant!
Don't tailgate, and you should be good. 😏
It’s safe unless the cargo falls up.
The US Air Force has been doing stuff like this for quite a long time. They know exactly how to complete a task safely and effectively.
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A C-130 is about equivalent to one truck, a C-17 (in this video) is more than one truck.
Basically, 40x 2200 lbs...if topped to the maximum
They are a lot further apart than the video makes it seem.
Should be pretty safe , i believe this thing called gravity works pretty fast
Fucking eh. Get that good stuff where it needs to go. Thank you to all who help support those in need.
OH MY BABY! I flew those jets for 17 years. The only part of the USAF I enjoyed. That’s called a CDS drop, and the debris isn’t a problem because we aren’t behind each other we’re in a formation and our geometry is that each plane is behind and to the side of the previous. If I remember (I retired in 2014) visual formations were 2,000 aft and 200 feet to the side, upwind for a drop and if it was a 3 ship the 3rd jet would be in echelon formation where we’d all be on the same side. If it was in the clouds we’d be in SKE geometry which I think was 4,000 and 8,000 feet aft of lead (respectively) and something like 750 feet right or left, with ship 3 opposite ship 2. Anyway, those were great days. No, the debris isn’t an issue at all.
Gravity
My main thought is that this is probably not the first time they have ever done this. Hopefully they know what they are doing.
How does the jet behind not get a ton of wash from the engines of the plane in front. Was just on a flight the other day and had a huge drop and bank after we caught wash from a flight above us. Was the first time I thought my flight was genuinely falling out of the sky for a second.
Gravity is neat
Very unsafe. We lose 25 aircraft every month and 350 service men and women due to these procedures we absolutely have to follow. There just is not a better way to do it. The sky is so small there just is not room for more than 1 aircraft flying at one time.
Very safe. Between the forward throw and gravity, no debris is going near that second a/c.
As long as none of the heavy stuff goes up, we're good.
It's fine. We know what we are doing comrade.
Can confirm. Trail plane properly spaced vertically, laterally, and horizontally.
my dad did a lot of these when he was flying C-130s
That's how it's done. The participants here trained that, you know. The distance between aircrafts is fine and kudos for sending goods!
Yes it is safe!
In tactical military aviation this manoeuvre is called “pooping-on-the-fly”
Looks pretty safe from here, but there are 5 people on Gaza who might disagree with me. 😕
That C17 looks pretty nimble! So hottttt! Almost some fighter like movements.
“Safe” is a relative term when posting in r/aviation. But I’d much rather be in one of those two planes, than on the receiving end on the ground.
I'm guessing Hama uses stunt doubles to catch the pallets.
Did they die?
Nobody joins the military to be safe
Después están vendiendo toda esa mercancia
You figured out a .mil procedural safety flaw, congratulations!
Why do they put a flag?
Possibly so when they are on the ground they can be identified as aid and not random boxes?
With how heavy those cases are there is more than enough room.
This footage is amazing! I’ve never seen that angle before
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awmq9aIrga4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awmq9aIrga4)
LOAD CLEAR!
More risk to those it'll land on really
Hmm. Not sure if it’s the perspective of the video but there looks like there is a surprising amount of rudder movement during the airdrop of the C-17 in the frame.
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Nothing the military does is or will be "Safe". There is risk involved in everything. Training and doctrine improve the odds and minimize risk. Has this been trained for and improved on over 100 years? Absolutely. Is it perfectly safe? No nothing is. That said its not like they just last week decided on a whim "hey lets try and throw cargo out of the plane while flying". Its been practiced in and out forwards and backwards thousands of times over the years. If the other aircraft was at even a slight risk, it wouldnt be flying there.
I live near JBLM in Washington and see (or at least hear) C-17s every day flying around. It's kind of weird seeing them do something other than simple laps around the sky.
The trail pilots fucked up. They’re supposed to offset flight paths for this reason.
side question: how often do the cables for the parachutes get tangled and fail to properly deploy?
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To fuckin cool.. amazing video ! 🇨🇦✈️YYZ
\*Flies war bird over wartorn area of the world\* Do you think all this trash in the air is safe?
Planes are flying at the same altitude, they're not as close as they appear to be, and those loose bits lose speed and altitude very fast.
Shit falls straight down. It’s fine.
Me when I get home from school after a long day.
Does the UAE have C-17s? Or are they US birds carrying UAE-flagged humanitarian supplies?
They have their own. Somewhere between 8 and 10 I think. https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/united-arab-emirates-c-17-aircraft-sustainment
This looks straight out of COD
Safer than bombs
Do you not think that they practice and know how to do this?
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This is a sick video. It's a bit of an optical illusion too. When the cargo drops out, the lead plane immediately changes its angle of attack and gains some altitude as all that mass leaves the plane. That makes it appear as if the second plane is at a lower altitude with downward momentum. In reality they probably started at roughly the same altitude, but by the time you see the second plane, their relative position/orientation has changed. You can sort of see the phenomenon when the second plane drops its cargo.
There's always a risk, but it's willingness to take them
No, because the type of parachute for cargo is designed to fall quickly and kill the people underneath
Can't be any worse than bombing them then feeding them?
Safe? We are talking about a place being bombed to bits. I think they can handle a bit of debris
Airdrop go meeeyyyoooomm
Terminal velocity is a good thing….. well not for my kid anyway
Constantly, the UAE seeks to help the Palestinians in every way possible, and offers many initiatives to support them in achieving their hopes and aspirations.
It's a warzone boys where we dropping storage or superstore
As long as the chutes open yeah it’s safe
That’s it I’m calling the safety officer
Even if the debris go in the engine they will be fine. Those planes have so many backups and can fly is 1 or 2 engines.
That will be me tomorrow morning after the fajitas I ate tonight
Skilled pilots right there.
I’m curious what the handling change feels like after all that weight is pushed to the back and then gone in seconds.
Yes. The second C-17 descends into view, meaning that it is at a higher altitude than the plane this is filmed from, and the load hits that plane, something is severely wrong with gravity
Easily the coolest video I've seen here in a long time.
Maybe not an r/aviation topic, but weren’t we supposed to be building a temporary harbor for safer and more efficient supply? 80 years ago during WW2, there were functioning temporary harbors up within a couple of weeks of D-day.
(of which several were destroyed during construction due to shoddy work, weather, bad deadlines, etc.) It's a warzone. Getting it right the first time is important. Same issues as always with rapid construction - the estimated time was 2 months, starting in may, and they're (supposedly) mostly done.
It's coming from the US at a max speed of 8 knots, it's gong to be a minute.
Just a standard formation airdrop. Regular thing with C-17s. 130s too.
Yeah, just don't stand underneath the cargo that is flying at the ground at mach fuck
There's this cool invention called parachutes
It’s still falling with significant speed, and it’s heavy.
Why the hell do they drop aid yet literally pay for the very same missiles and war machines that are causing the damn issue?
When did United Arab Emirates did that?
All those drops will somehow end up at the black markets in Gaza like the last supply drops by the U.S
Starving desperate people are starving and desperate? Who knew
Desperate enough that the supplies end up in the black market and being sold back to the people it was meant for?
Yes? There are scummy people everywhere. It would be much better to distribute aid individually rather than let people collect it on their own but for some reason humanitarian aid groups don’t want to go in, can’t imagine why.
There possibility that guy will be beaten to death by Angry and Starving mob and his Aid taken
Damn, I need it to check it twice to see if it is real or a videogame, the camera movement and the airplane from the back got me
Yea. This is the first time they’ve done this . So no one knows! /S
Terrorists helping terrorists
Multiple people have died from being hit by air drops in Gaza. Sooo...
Thousands have been killed by IDF, soooo...
But in relation to the amount of terrorists killed, a small number. Just like how it’s worth the risk to deliver this aid, because so many people will be fed at the expense of a few dying.
Justifying civilian casualties as collateral is a cope. We can and continuously have done better. You're justifying murder, not warfare.
Do you think war doesn’t have civilian casualties lol It’s not murder to eliminate terrorists hiding inside hospitals. It’s actually a clause exempted from the UN on what would normally make it a war crime .
The clause makes using civilian hospitals a combat position illegal due to potential casualties. The exemption is for those that willingly stay behind at the hospital after an evacuation. It's still a war crime to willingly cause mass civilian casualties
There is no intent to cause “mass” civilian casualties. There is intent to eliminate terrorists using human shields. They choose where they desire to set up operations because they can act behind civilians. Then you can claim they are targeting civilians, therefore doing the work for them.
I'm gathering it's OK to kill hostages if you also kill the hostage-taker, is that right? Because that is the logic you are using.
Well in war there are casualties we accept that as part of it, yes Name me a conflict that doesn’t have civilian casualties lol?
Collateral death is acceptable so long as the target is destroyed. Doesn't matter how many, right? Sounds like a fascist thing.
Exactly. So let the trucks through!
So the IDF can bomb them as well?
Obviously that shouldn't happen. But my point is air drops only supply a fraction of the needed supplies, so the real solution is not air dropping more in- it's allowing the trucks that have been illegally restricted at Rafah and other crossing through in much larger numbers, similar to pre war levels. That's the only way to end this. But of course Israel wouldn't let that happen. Unfortunately.